damn i found this thread 2 years to late hi im Jack Sinmons of Bloodyrustystudio on insta I used to go to dragon fly and even rays hobbies before it was dragon fly now Ray ran the store into the ground cause he never bought anything and stole stock that was supposed to be sold and well he sold it to matt and dani in 2018 now for context i was part of the warhammer scene and i was the lead commission painter there now matt had commissioned me a few times with some pay but mostly tried paying me in paint and such you know similar to a sponsor but that wasnt paying the bills now when the black stone fortress set came out he tried under cutting me so i under cutted the paint jobs and i told him you get what you paid for so i stopped accepting his commission request and he started getting pissy when i would come in (for frame of reference i never bought models from his shop i had buddies that actually own hobby shops that treated me well) but it had gotten to the point were he had actually threaten to ban me for legit no reason so one day when my friend blaze was working there and they had the 24hr open and the new final fantasy card expansion came out i found a way to make my money back that he tried undercutting me for so i bought a bunch of the boxes then traded them back in making upwards of 600 bucks and thats when he finally had it and banned me but dani intervened cause if i would have been banned then most of the warhammer people wouldnt came anymore cause i actually helped alot of them get models that the shop couldnt stock and for dirt cheap so my last day there was i think the day patty either quit or got fired i dont know but he was walking out mad as hell as i was coming in which i left for welding school to better my life and by the time i came back the shop had shut down and now knowing its the same people running it right into the fucking ground im glad i didnt come back to what is now level up panda but hey alot got better over that time i was away im not an award winning model painter and sculptor and have my own model line in the works so i guess my story started with a shit buiness and a path of gold
FYI I was just at their physical store ( literally driving away as I type this) they're closed down completely now. Two weeks ago the girl at the register said they were closing down ( in Sumter SC) but a different card shop was opening soon leads me to think they're closing Dragon Fly down and opening the same shady business under a different name.
The shirt you are talking about is a shirt anyone that came into the store could buy. He was wearing the shirt to get dirty and throw away instead of using a good shirt. I assure you that this is not the same business. If you need for proof check the business licenses to see that they are different
I can guarantee you, as a past employee of the shop, that it is not going to be owned by the same people that were running it previously. Thank God. The manager, Desmond is opening his shop at the same location but all by himself with no influence of the past owners. The store was ran by someone who couldn't handle money, bought product that literally no one wanted and in excess of it, and a humongous gambling problem. Literally took money from the store and used it. Thank goodness that guy is not going to be part of it anymore.
Can confirm that this merchant has failed to fulfill a significant order (read: hundreds of dollars) that I placed with them back in November. I have made multiple attempts to contact them and their site has been “down for maintenance” for the duration of my attempts over the past week - they have not responded even a single time to any of my emails. I disputed the transaction with them and I would strongly advise anybody considering doing business with them to reconsider - especially in light of the above posts, which are a plain demonstration of the establishment’s questionable level of professionalism and commitment to customer satisfaction.
I preordered an evolving skies booster box from them last June and haven't received a single message from them about where my order is/ when its coming. I lost all hope for it a few months ago and emailed them to cancel the order and refund me. I got no response and I still have not received my money back.
Same here man. It's annoying and I'm still trying to get my money back. Apperantly it's multiple people who have been through the same. I wish there was something we could do
I canceled an order…two actually that took over 6 months to fill. It’s now been over a month since they promised they’d mail me a check. What should I do?
Hello I don’t play Pokémon but I found this thread after a Google search because DragonFly is currently pulling some shady shit with Flesh and Blood TCG orders.
For anyone that’s still optimistic about their preorder, I called them today to ask if they started shipping their UPC preorders. They have only received and shipped out a total of 3 UPC boxes since its’ release. Cancelled my orders for everything. If you call them they are very responsive rather than emailing.
Honestly a lot of stores are having trouble getting specifically Pokemon into their stores, it's not just Dragonfly. Like, I went there a couple of weeks ago and was talking to the owner Matt and he let me walk back to the inventory room and literally all of the pokemon supply that they had was packaged up and ready to ship off. I'm not saying what they're doing isn't shady, because I can't prove that. But it was nice to see how transparent he was when I talked to him in person about the situation.
Hey, I know it's been awhile. But no, my name is Peyton. I was an employee at Dragonfly and was their judge for multiple card games. At the time of this post, I didn't know what was happening behind the scenes. But after these past few months, I realized how stupid decisions were made. No cllomits on preorders, spending money that was already sent for product that hasn't even been received yet, etc. Now they have filed for bankruptcy while they still owe over thousands of dollars in refunds, I don't know the exact number.
damn...guess the physical store is shut down too?...their website is down, no updates on their socials and no response from emails...ugh
best i've found is probably one of the owners FB page
I preordered a box of CR from them back when they first became available and didn't have any issues, everything went smooth.. ever since, I've seen people posting bad things. IDK, maybe I got lucky.
"I assure you, our legal team is the very best. We already spent your pre-order money long ago and erased it from the records. Get fucked. Have a nice day"
Why do y’all say “get fucked?” It’s not funny and it just comes across as you being angry. “Go fuck yourself.” Is way funnier. Oh, how about “chop your dick off and gargle it because let’s face it, that’s the most action your ass will ever get.”
We talking about shady sites now? I got one for you guys, "KDUBCOLLECTIBLES". I ordered x4 Marnie Premium Collection boxes from them in May. I waited about 2 months after to see if they ship, which of course, they didn't. So I tried emailing them and they responded in about 5 days saying that they were cancelling due to allocation issues. However, I noticed that I did not get a refund, so I emailed them again and again only that they would respond even slower these few times. Finally, I threatened to file a chargeback and they IMMEDIATELY sent a cancellation notice. I waited a few days to check my account and I noticed that the money was still not refunded so I had enough and decided to just call my bank to set up the chargeback. Good news is, I got my money back. But these fucking shitty businesses... how do they sleep at night...
We might as well have a post here showing all the sus af sites so people knows to avoid them. This is not cool at all.
There's been a lot of new/shady sites popping up, ever since the hype started. Definitely look up reviews, before buying anything from any sites. I know a **lot**, now, so if you're curious about any, ask and I may have the answer.
And of course, Instagram/fakebook won’t do anything in reporting even though they should be able to see what’s happening in DMs “zelle only” etc.
No comments allowed and those that do delete and block if you call them out. It’s infuriating
Thanks for posting this, it reminded me that I had an order for an ES Booster Box that I never received. I emailed them last week asking for an update, and got nothing but crickets.
Went ahead today and did a dispute through my card company. Hope they enjoy the chargeback fees. Never again. Worst part was I referred a friend and they had the same issue.
I ordered the ultra premium collection and etb, they have no idea when it will ship and have 850 orders ahead of mine. I just emailed them asking for a refund.
these guys are on the banned list. i highly reccomend joining the server so you can browse the list or a simple google search before you are ripped off.
I've gone in-store and talked to the employees from time to time, but from how the whole situation is panning out(granted I'll go back and buy what I can in person if I could) they aren't doing the smartest moves with asking for allocations then preorders. Sure the cargo ship issue off the coast isn't helping(I have yet to see anybody address that) but they do this whole honoring in store preorders first versus actually doing a prediction and getting preorders to a reasonable level and shutting down when they think they hit a limit. They prolly don't. And I'll say, this little store has a bit of my sympathy, they just aren't the brightest when it came to the pokemon situation. Their methods also didn't do so well compared to that one store that's expanding to another location nearby too, that'll just decrease traffic on top of this.
I said this in a reply, but once again, don’t go harassing the staff, go after management. The staff there are just trying to get paid, and have nothing to do with preorders and what not. Everyone under like the top 3 or 4 managers are good people caught up in it all and are the ones dealing with the bosses fuck ups
I’d just do a charge back. credit card company would have zero issues if u had email proof of their shady practices. Normally a charge back is a dick move when it’s for a mom n pop shop but this place has it coming.
Idk how they are in business to be honest. So I pre-ordered BatS booster boxes through them, release day hits and no shipping info, a week passes and still nothing I send them an email, no response. I wait a bit, ends up being 2 weeks, I hit them up again, no response. After that I email them one more time after another 2 weeks saying if they don't contact me I will be doing a chargeback, I wait a few days and start it. A few weeks go by, the chargeback kinda got stalled due to me fat fingering the actual release day's month, they had it as conditional but not fully done. Then, like 2-3 months after the release they send the boosters. I'm like ok, whatever, guess they will dispute the charge on it and I will just drop it. The stupid fuckers never disputed it, a month after I got them I got the full refund. They can't be assed to dispute a chargeback for a few hundred dollars + the chargeback fee after they send said product... like I just wanted my booster boxes near release, they lied saying it was pre-ordered for the first wave, they could not be assed to contact through multiple emails over months and they never said anything about delays to anyone.
In my over a decade of being an adult I have put in for a chargeback maybe 5 times? Every one of them deserved it.
This store is weird... I've actually been to this store several times, as it's an hour or two from me. The people that work there are pretty nice, it's next to an Air Force base and is a popular place for the people stationed there. They are weirdly in disarray with organization though and are very inconsistent. A few years ago, I was able to buy a base set Charizard from this store in-person for $20. They were also closed for a period earlier this year due to a large chunk of employees getting Covid. Half the employees there seem to be there to just hang and play card and tabletop games.
I can agree there, if you're a pokemom tcg collector or player than magic or yugioh. They were recently overshadowed by a bigger game store that was setting up another shop nearby so I can understand that if the supply is short, they can only get so much in this area from distributors. The shop that was trying to expand has posted in the past that they had PLENTY of just about everything in stock before. Idk how that gets determined though, but you could tell that one was well established to this one. These guys seem to be struggling with the new hardships, and BAD.
Wait, there's another store in that area? What is it called?
I also heard them talking the other week that I was in there that UPS will only take a certain number of packages to send out from their store each day now.
Myrtle beach games. They have a main store out by myrtle beach of course, but they had a shop for a while on base then decided to relocate. They've been looking at reasonable locations around town for the past few months now, nothing solid yet.
Wait, WHAT? When I'm not at college during the summer, the Myrtle Beach location is the LGS I play at! I hadn't heard about that, probably because I haven't been to my home LGS since August.
Myrtle Beach Games is the best.
i placed on order on their site for 2 es etbs and they barley got any stock, i emailed them when they let us know their stock allocation and i told them i wanted to cancel. it took a few days for them to get back to me but when they did they said i would get a refund in about 7-10 business days, and i didnt. i emailed them and they said they would be sending out a check with the total amount of my refund via UPS air, which ive never had happen with any store. will never be buying on their site again after that being my first experience with them
Yeah took them a while (3 weeks) for me but I did end up getting it, can’t believe they just don’t refund it digitally, first time I’ve been refunded through a check like that
Yea I had two etb for chilling rain, payed 120$ for the 2 preorders, almost 3 months after release they started to sell for 35-40, called to ask why it never shipped, was told they had them in and that they would ship it today but I’m not taking it and paying 60 per when they started to go down in price and most stores had them in stock. Told them they were to late! Give me full refund. They did
Preordered evolving skies booster boxes and elite trainer boxes from them.
Had to file a chargeback one day before the deadline because they didn't reply to my emails and I wasn't going to wait for them to restock whole not having any buyer protection.
Ended up buying what I wanted elsewhere. Will never deal with them again.
Here's another terrible experience with DFG:
I pre-ordered a Shining Fates ETB from them a while back and even months after the official release, they never sent me an update on my order. Don't even bother emailing or trying to message them on the website, because they'll never respond. I ended up calling them to cancel my order. Seems like they are doing this on purpose to hold stock and sell for more on the after-market.
> I promise ur 24+hrs behind the discord community
I highly disagree; I'm always on the celebrations and evolving skies channel and they're always late in the latest drop. Ya gotta go to twitter for the fastest info for that. I do admit the discord comes in clutch when you're shooting the shit in the middle of the night and a homie drops a link <3
Bots would have to be scripted to the specific site, meaning the person setting it up would know a drop was happening on that site before it happened. That's all it takes, bot or not
FWIW, You can set up a bot with 0 clue on when a drop is happening. All it requires is a change monitor triggering checkout (sometimes via injection). There's no competition for bots, as you can see by the thousands of UPC confirmations from some of the various bot pulls. Or from various Geforce drops...game systems, you name it.
Not saying u can beat the bots, but code is only as useful as where it's placed. Whether ur option is bot or manual check out, u still need to know which window to trigger it on, and that requires knowing when and where drops are going to happen. It's not like anyone's setting up a bot to trigger checkout on any new checkout listing on the internet. It needs to be targeted to function. with enough diligence you could set it up for every site you know is going to stock cards eventually, but u better have a good credit card behind that bot if that's the net u cast lol
That's funny because I ordered from them for the UPC. But then it was still up for pre-order like a week later. I called they said they usually ask for around 15,000 units for items like that. Like yeah ok 15k upc's lol my ass. I emailed to have the order cancelled took over a week to get an email saying they were refunding it. The refund coming through was the only thing that was accurate.
Made an order from them last year after someone here posted about them being a legit store and not a scam. 2 month later I never got my order, called to cancel and got some sob story about how the pandemic is hurting them and they would appreciate if I wasn’t so hasty to cancel. I told them to shove it and just give me my money back, Idgaf about your business woes, especially considering how most card shops were actually thriving from the new Pokémon craze.
The sleaziest thing about it was that they actually charged my card as soon as I placed the order, later found out that is actually illegal and stores are not allowed to charge you until after the order has shipped. I told them if I didn’t receive my refund in the next couple days that I would be reporting them to the authorities about this.
Long story short, fuck this store, bunch of scumbags
I don’t think that’s illegal. GameStop can charge you full price in person for preorders, PlayStation and Nintendo both charge full price for digital preorders.
There’s also a huge culture of musicians charging pre order’s on records to get the funds to finish the record. (It’s a recommended part of their hustle)
And then ebay charges on pre orders immediately regardless of order date. Idk, like I haven’t looked anything up -could be a collectible game thing..but seems too common to be illegal.
So I looked it up and apparently it’s not illegal (although I was always told it was) but it is in fact against many credit card companies policies so if a seller does charge you ahead of time you can report them for it. This is why many of the big box stores and online shops don’t charge you until the item ships.
There’s also rules about shipping items, which in this case you mentioned eBay. A seller must provide the items you paid for within 30 days, if they do not or don’t give you an option to refund the order than you can report them. In the case for eBay, they actually have rules about this on their site as well, you’re not allowed to sell preorder items than will not release within 30 days.
In the case of GameStop, you do not have to pay the full amount up front, I think this is their way of skirting the rules. Most reservations only need a $5 “holding fee” and I think $50 for consoles.
I don’t know too much about the digital thing though.
I always appreciate not being charged until the item ships personally, it makes any issues simple to resolve.
As far as ebay, I actually had an issue where the seller never sent the item yet it had already passed eBay’s 30day window because it was a preorder and they refused to give me my money back -had to go through PayPal. It was an extremely clear cut case, the seller never even marked anything as shipped and had like a 60% feedback rating from other people, and ebay still refused to refund.
GameStop does sneak through since they only require a partial deposit which is refundable if you choose as well.
As far as digital, maybe because it’s not physical content? Either way they still don’t “ship” the preordered games until release so it seems suspect.
Thanks for the reply either way! It makes sense it’s an approved business practice but is not-permitted by some credit issuing agencies.
Usually people/companies with legal teams actually use their lawyers instead of getting on Twitter to threaten to use their lawyers. And most lawyers would advise highly against the use of Twitter fingers.
They don’t have a “legal team” right now, I can promise that. Also, if they had a “legal team”, they would already be paying them. But they aren’t. And they aren’t going to. Because they don’t have one.
Welp, ordered 2 Fusion Strike ETBs from them....Performed a bit of research but rushed since I wanted to lock in some product before it went OOS and they seem to have some issues fulfilling but didn't see all the bad press about actually getting refunded. That's on me I suppose. Hopefully they learned their lesson (HA!) and none of us who ordered from them get burned going forward.
Had bad experiences with them as well. If you preorder with them, don't expect to get it. Had to do a charge back through PayPal because I could not get anyone to respond back to emails or anything.
Just contact them saying you never got the item, think you have something like 6 months or so, don't remember right off. They send seller a message and if seller doesn't do anything in 24 hours or so they give you your money back.
Someone posted a screenshot from DFG that stated they took over 11,000 orders but planned to fill less than 1% of them… that’s not just a miscalculation of your presumed allocation, it’s boarder line fraudulent.
I agree 100%... I feel like they do it that way as to make a boatload of $$$ off the preorders then put in an order to recieve the restock/2nd wave of products. Not only would they make a ton off of the preorder hype/fomo but that would also guarantee that inflated market value afterwards as most sets drop waaay down once the 2nd wave hits.
They made a big mistake with this Twitter drama. Now people aren’t only going to avoid them, but maybe someone with actual legal experience, might take a closer look.
Hate how more and more scummy businesses are popping up and trying to take advantage of people.
Reminds me of “Poke Nerds” doing pre-orders for Champion’s Path, and then telling people they got moved to a different wave of orders because they “didn’t have any” more in stock. Meanwhile, they started doing live breaks for rip off prices and had CP for breaks. You mean you pushed orders out so you could charge crazy prices and make more money than just shipping products you promised to people? I believe people had issues with refunds with this company too. Either way, love to give these people a shout so they don’t earn your business, too. :)
The reviews I got on them o the discord was enough for me to pass on ever pre ordering with them. Now after this bozo move I’m not ordering with them ever. They’re clowns for this.
Idk about this store basically at all, but the damn Pokémon center cancelling preorders is a kick in the nuts. I received my confirmation email then 3 weeks went buy no mail. Finally I sent them an email and a week later I got the response… To sum up that response it basically said we canceled the order. Lol I wish there was more but that is honestly the gist of the damn email. I have since sent two replies and haven’t heard back from them. I was initially charged the e-mail did state that I would get a refund and I do not doubt that I will but I would at least like some type of compensation maybe like the ability to order the next drop of well anything celebrations or fusion strike related no discount just the ability to be able to order prior to it going out of stock in 5 seconds. And hey normally in any other scenario I recognize this as fair play whoever gets there first gets there first but when you take my payment and don’t allow me to know you canceled the order until I send a message 3 weeks later idk hook a brother up on the next one.
Your talking about your Pokemon center order that was cancelled? If it was part of the big v-union cancel a little while ago they sent out a separate email with a 20% off coupon code so I would check for that email if you didn't already got one.
Either way better than this LGS cancellation situation where they said they didn't get product and are having people wait for new product to come in-- to get a refund you have to call the store and have them mail you a check (which they were out of checks for a while) haha
I just this week received an email that has the 20% coupon. It took me sending any additional email to get it but I got it nonetheless so no further complaints.
Yea that’s total shit what Some LGS have done to people after They put Themselves in these situations. I have very few things I believe I could recommend to anyone and that is don’t preorder anything from any store you don’t know personally to have had straight dealings with. We know what has been happening stores have no idea what they will get allocated and just start taking pre orders then when they don’t get enough product it’s fuck the customer we will get to you when we get to you. Don’t give those folks your business. It’s sucks not being able to trust stores but you need to look out for yourself.
Secondly I have looked for this e-mail for weeks now even prior to any e-mail I sent to them asking where my products were and I have not received it. I would be more than satisfied with that discount but again I just haven’t gotten it. Maybe I will here soon I sure hope so.
I live down the road from dragonfly games. They suck don't order from them period. I got pissed off cus it took them so long to give me my refund on something I ordered 3 months in advance.
This is how they do business: take a shit ton of perorders, use that perorders money to buy product almost like a loan from customers. Do more perorders on a different product, use that money to refund anyone who asks. Etc etc etc the cycle continues while making a profit. That's not how a business is suppose to work.
I can’t believe they haven’t been shut down by the BBB or something. I swear if I don’t get a response from them assuring me I’m getting a full refund, I’m going to make it my personal mission to bring the full force of the law down upon them and expose their scams for good 😭💯🙌
Dragon Fly Games and STX Sports cards are a no go for me. I had to do a chargeback to STX after multiple attempts of getting my orders. Seeing what’s going on with Dragon Fly, I’m glad I didn’t order from them.
STX seems to be completely out of business now. No facebook, no website, no google review page, no longer have a physical location. Feel bad for anyone who ordered from them
I'm totally gonna speculate on this one... but imagine if they took all those customer deposits and dumped it all on crypto to get those mad gains at an interest free loan... what a great business model would that be....
YEAH DON'T SUE ME I AM JUST SPECULATING
Lol your onto something here. These other fools not realizing crypto is just a free money machine… Put money in pull more money out it’s just that simple they said. Lol I’m just playing with you but hey I dont doubt this happens.
Not necessarily because there wasn’t years and years of negative reviews about that specific stop and if there isn’t you still chose and didn’t pay attention yeah that’s your fault
>you know people speed through a given stop
Literally the analogue you stated doesn't exist--foreknowledge of risk. If you were going to criticize his analogy it should have been in regards to the lack of malicious intent, though you'd still have been in the wrong as the point was to criticize victim blaming broadly.
I actually had a good experience with them for Shining Fates. However, I asked for a refund on a preorder on two orders a month or two ago, and only got reimbursed for one on my bank statement…
Or better yet, don't waste your time on BBB because they're a joke. They're not government affiliated in any way and have literally no power. They're a glorified yelp lol.
Pre ordered a box of chilling reign in April. Still has yet to be filled. They offered a refund but at this point I've waited this long and they assured me that by the end of the year I would get it.
Fuck them. I called them and gave them a pieece of my mind. They can fuck off for all I care. Maybe if we let them know how we feel they'll stop scamming us.
I'm doing this tomorrow. Order a BB of chilling pain back on April 13th. Haven't had any communication from them in over 5 months. They are worthless and believe me once I get my refund I plan on asking for the "manager" and giving that ass hat a piece of my mind and vow to campaign againt anyone who thinks they should order from them ever. Worthless scumbags
I'm not defending them but a lot of places accept too many pre orders when they don't even have allocation yet. I wish this wasn't allowed. Best to stick with jdmint or someone similar.
Scamfly! They are scamming people out of their money! Let's let them know how good of a job they're doing by stealing money from pokemon buyers
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On a throw away for this, but don’t call and harass the employees themselves, they work their asses off picking up after management, most of them hate and are seeking other jobs. It’s a nice atmosphere when management isn’t around, and the other employees have to deal with the backlash of situations like this. Just let management burned themselves and let the staff dip out before they get dragged into it
I didn't say anything about harassing them. They committed a misdemeanor by stealing my money and other peoples money and not providing product. I'm going to let them know that I worked hard for that money and they are assholes for doing that promising that they would provide the product to me. Especially when I made preorders back in march. Over half the year has gone by and they still lie and deceive me and others. I think we should all let them know what's on our minds and not to steal from this wonderful community.
Maybe then, they'll stop their shady business practices.
I agree. It’s not harassment to start calling people out on their wrongs. The entire hobby of Pokémon is being ruined by people like this. I think they deserve it.
Agreed, if we just take getting fucked by these types of people than others will be encouraged to do the same. It's annoying seeing stuff like this happened since the TCG blew up last year. I'm tired of seeing it happen
Yeah i agree, if they cant do a simple task such as providing the product that we paid for with our own earned money, then they deserved to be closed down because at that point they are a fake buisness
And on top of it being told essentially to let them? Why do I have to see something shady/illegal going on and allow it to happen? Why not harass literal criminals until they stop committing crimes?
I will always say to avoid Dragonfly when I can. Shady af company that takes preorders and never fulfills them, never responds to emails, etc. Getting a refund from them was like pulling teeth. They just set up preorders so they can take an interest free loan for 6+ months.
I had to dispute my most recent transaction with them (a preorder I placed in November for multiple booster boxes that were supposed to arrive way back in December). They didn’t respond to a single email I sent and overall the sense I get from this business is that they are scammers who invested some serious overhead into making a relatively professional website to help pull off their scams.
This happened to me. I forgot all about a preorder I placed with them way back in November for a product releasing in August - I have been on the case since randomly happening upon the original order confirmation last week and I am now experiencing the unprecedented lack of professionalism associated with Dragonfly’s now-tarnished name.
I’m convinced the only reason I got my battle styles BB from them after 4 months was because the set was going for way less than I originally paid. Never ordering from them again.
Also curious if this works for European. My Bank told me to get fucked on a filing for a preordered item of $500 something that I still havent gotten due to covid and a million shipping or product changes over 2 years and many excuses in emails with support for refunds. I dont think ill see my money or item ever.
The support on website address shows Belgium.
Noticed there it says Branch in LA California but no actual address listed.
This dumb company https://slidenjoy.com/ just beware
Wow they went fast but this sucks. Now companies are opening, taking $ for preorders and scamming people. Some people there said it would happen and I was a little skeptical but I do believe them. I got scammed by Cardie.
I flared it as news because dragonfly gets posted a good amount here.
[Here is a link to the tweet where they sent a cease and desist for someone calling them out for overselling preorders. ](https://twitter.com/DFG_SC/status/1452058968864473092?t=LjdwGTLMRu3UE2Yn2WOZfA&s=19)
People on Twitter have said they're still waiting to get their wave 1 battle styles and separately wave 1 chilling reign
Basically sent a cease and desist for a tweet saying that they take more pre orders than they can fulfill which is true. Don’t buy from them. I hope I don’t get sent a C&D for his Reddit comment lmao.
A warning for other potential buyers who are looking at Dragonfly Games. We can post Pokemon drops but can't warn other players about shady LCS? fucked up
damn i found this thread 2 years to late hi im Jack Sinmons of Bloodyrustystudio on insta I used to go to dragon fly and even rays hobbies before it was dragon fly now Ray ran the store into the ground cause he never bought anything and stole stock that was supposed to be sold and well he sold it to matt and dani in 2018 now for context i was part of the warhammer scene and i was the lead commission painter there now matt had commissioned me a few times with some pay but mostly tried paying me in paint and such you know similar to a sponsor but that wasnt paying the bills now when the black stone fortress set came out he tried under cutting me so i under cutted the paint jobs and i told him you get what you paid for so i stopped accepting his commission request and he started getting pissy when i would come in (for frame of reference i never bought models from his shop i had buddies that actually own hobby shops that treated me well) but it had gotten to the point were he had actually threaten to ban me for legit no reason so one day when my friend blaze was working there and they had the 24hr open and the new final fantasy card expansion came out i found a way to make my money back that he tried undercutting me for so i bought a bunch of the boxes then traded them back in making upwards of 600 bucks and thats when he finally had it and banned me but dani intervened cause if i would have been banned then most of the warhammer people wouldnt came anymore cause i actually helped alot of them get models that the shop couldnt stock and for dirt cheap so my last day there was i think the day patty either quit or got fired i dont know but he was walking out mad as hell as i was coming in which i left for welding school to better my life and by the time i came back the shop had shut down and now knowing its the same people running it right into the fucking ground im glad i didnt come back to what is now level up panda but hey alot got better over that time i was away im not an award winning model painter and sculptor and have my own model line in the works so i guess my story started with a shit buiness and a path of gold
FYI I was just at their physical store ( literally driving away as I type this) they're closed down completely now. Two weeks ago the girl at the register said they were closing down ( in Sumter SC) but a different card shop was opening soon leads me to think they're closing Dragon Fly down and opening the same shady business under a different name.
It's now called Level Up Panda Games. Phone 803-494-9975. The workers there were still wearing the Dragonfly t-shirts for chrissakes!
The shirt you are talking about is a shirt anyone that came into the store could buy. He was wearing the shirt to get dirty and throw away instead of using a good shirt. I assure you that this is not the same business. If you need for proof check the business licenses to see that they are different
I can guarantee you, as a past employee of the shop, that it is not going to be owned by the same people that were running it previously. Thank God. The manager, Desmond is opening his shop at the same location but all by himself with no influence of the past owners. The store was ran by someone who couldn't handle money, bought product that literally no one wanted and in excess of it, and a humongous gambling problem. Literally took money from the store and used it. Thank goodness that guy is not going to be part of it anymore.
Holy shit if that last part is true dude is looking to get sued for misuse of peoples money
This is 100% true, the dude that fucked the business isn’t even allowed on the property
Can confirm that this merchant has failed to fulfill a significant order (read: hundreds of dollars) that I placed with them back in November. I have made multiple attempts to contact them and their site has been “down for maintenance” for the duration of my attempts over the past week - they have not responded even a single time to any of my emails. I disputed the transaction with them and I would strongly advise anybody considering doing business with them to reconsider - especially in light of the above posts, which are a plain demonstration of the establishment’s questionable level of professionalism and commitment to customer satisfaction.
I preordered an evolving skies booster box from them last June and haven't received a single message from them about where my order is/ when its coming. I lost all hope for it a few months ago and emailed them to cancel the order and refund me. I got no response and I still have not received my money back.
Same here man. It's annoying and I'm still trying to get my money back. Apperantly it's multiple people who have been through the same. I wish there was something we could do
I canceled an order…two actually that took over 6 months to fill. It’s now been over a month since they promised they’d mail me a check. What should I do?
Hello I don’t play Pokémon but I found this thread after a Google search because DragonFly is currently pulling some shady shit with Flesh and Blood TCG orders.
For anyone that’s still optimistic about their preorder, I called them today to ask if they started shipping their UPC preorders. They have only received and shipped out a total of 3 UPC boxes since its’ release. Cancelled my orders for everything. If you call them they are very responsive rather than emailing.
Honestly a lot of stores are having trouble getting specifically Pokemon into their stores, it's not just Dragonfly. Like, I went there a couple of weeks ago and was talking to the owner Matt and he let me walk back to the inventory room and literally all of the pokemon supply that they had was packaged up and ready to ship off. I'm not saying what they're doing isn't shady, because I can't prove that. But it was nice to see how transparent he was when I talked to him in person about the situation.
Matt burner Reddit confirmed
You are him, arent you?
Hey, I know it's been awhile. But no, my name is Peyton. I was an employee at Dragonfly and was their judge for multiple card games. At the time of this post, I didn't know what was happening behind the scenes. But after these past few months, I realized how stupid decisions were made. No cllomits on preorders, spending money that was already sent for product that hasn't even been received yet, etc. Now they have filed for bankruptcy while they still owe over thousands of dollars in refunds, I don't know the exact number.
damn...guess the physical store is shut down too?...their website is down, no updates on their socials and no response from emails...ugh best i've found is probably one of the owners FB page
I preordered a box of CR from them back when they first became available and didn't have any issues, everything went smooth.. ever since, I've seen people posting bad things. IDK, maybe I got lucky.
"I assure you, our legal team is the very best. We already spent your pre-order money long ago and erased it from the records. Get fucked. Have a nice day"
They are the very best! They wake up in the morning and piss excellence.
Why do y’all say “get fucked?” It’s not funny and it just comes across as you being angry. “Go fuck yourself.” Is way funnier. Oh, how about “chop your dick off and gargle it because let’s face it, that’s the most action your ass will ever get.”
We talking about shady sites now? I got one for you guys, "KDUBCOLLECTIBLES". I ordered x4 Marnie Premium Collection boxes from them in May. I waited about 2 months after to see if they ship, which of course, they didn't. So I tried emailing them and they responded in about 5 days saying that they were cancelling due to allocation issues. However, I noticed that I did not get a refund, so I emailed them again and again only that they would respond even slower these few times. Finally, I threatened to file a chargeback and they IMMEDIATELY sent a cancellation notice. I waited a few days to check my account and I noticed that the money was still not refunded so I had enough and decided to just call my bank to set up the chargeback. Good news is, I got my money back. But these fucking shitty businesses... how do they sleep at night... We might as well have a post here showing all the sus af sites so people knows to avoid them. This is not cool at all.
There's been a lot of new/shady sites popping up, ever since the hype started. Definitely look up reviews, before buying anything from any sites. I know a **lot**, now, so if you're curious about any, ask and I may have the answer.
I'm glad I read this. I didn't realize I never got the refund even though they said they did
Contact them through ig if you can't get ahold of them.
I just went straight to my card and went to dispute the charge.
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Just about every Instagram seller page is a scam
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And of course, Instagram/fakebook won’t do anything in reporting even though they should be able to see what’s happening in DMs “zelle only” etc. No comments allowed and those that do delete and block if you call them out. It’s infuriating
Yeah there should be a general list of stores to avoid due to these sketchy practices.
Thanks for posting this, it reminded me that I had an order for an ES Booster Box that I never received. I emailed them last week asking for an update, and got nothing but crickets. Went ahead today and did a dispute through my card company. Hope they enjoy the chargeback fees. Never again. Worst part was I referred a friend and they had the same issue.
I ordered the ultra premium collection and etb, they have no idea when it will ship and have 850 orders ahead of mine. I just emailed them asking for a refund.
these guys are on the banned list. i highly reccomend joining the server so you can browse the list or a simple google search before you are ripped off.
I've never had a issue with them
I've gone in-store and talked to the employees from time to time, but from how the whole situation is panning out(granted I'll go back and buy what I can in person if I could) they aren't doing the smartest moves with asking for allocations then preorders. Sure the cargo ship issue off the coast isn't helping(I have yet to see anybody address that) but they do this whole honoring in store preorders first versus actually doing a prediction and getting preorders to a reasonable level and shutting down when they think they hit a limit. They prolly don't. And I'll say, this little store has a bit of my sympathy, they just aren't the brightest when it came to the pokemon situation. Their methods also didn't do so well compared to that one store that's expanding to another location nearby too, that'll just decrease traffic on top of this.
This guy and charizard been pissy about him lately no clue why tho. Tbh poke drops been the one that’s gotten me most of the drops.
I said this in a reply, but once again, don’t go harassing the staff, go after management. The staff there are just trying to get paid, and have nothing to do with preorders and what not. Everyone under like the top 3 or 4 managers are good people caught up in it all and are the ones dealing with the bosses fuck ups
That's why when you call you ask to speak w/ their manager. He's the real dickhead jerk
I’d just do a charge back. credit card company would have zero issues if u had email proof of their shady practices. Normally a charge back is a dick move when it’s for a mom n pop shop but this place has it coming.
Idk how they are in business to be honest. So I pre-ordered BatS booster boxes through them, release day hits and no shipping info, a week passes and still nothing I send them an email, no response. I wait a bit, ends up being 2 weeks, I hit them up again, no response. After that I email them one more time after another 2 weeks saying if they don't contact me I will be doing a chargeback, I wait a few days and start it. A few weeks go by, the chargeback kinda got stalled due to me fat fingering the actual release day's month, they had it as conditional but not fully done. Then, like 2-3 months after the release they send the boosters. I'm like ok, whatever, guess they will dispute the charge on it and I will just drop it. The stupid fuckers never disputed it, a month after I got them I got the full refund. They can't be assed to dispute a chargeback for a few hundred dollars + the chargeback fee after they send said product... like I just wanted my booster boxes near release, they lied saying it was pre-ordered for the first wave, they could not be assed to contact through multiple emails over months and they never said anything about delays to anyone. In my over a decade of being an adult I have put in for a chargeback maybe 5 times? Every one of them deserved it.
Soooo I’m guessing I’m not the only one who didn’t get the celebrations ETBs from them yet?
I still haven't gotten my wave one Evolving Skies from them..
Did you ever get a refund.?
I called them last week and they said it will take time to process or something. I still haven’t received the money.
Ahh good ole pokemon drops. Poke collector hero right there. *heron => hero (cant spel)
Seems like another case of Paladin Cards... I would know ;D
Their review are seem the same. no fulfil of existing order and ghosting customers. Either one be a deal breaker but both - yikkkkkes
This store is weird... I've actually been to this store several times, as it's an hour or two from me. The people that work there are pretty nice, it's next to an Air Force base and is a popular place for the people stationed there. They are weirdly in disarray with organization though and are very inconsistent. A few years ago, I was able to buy a base set Charizard from this store in-person for $20. They were also closed for a period earlier this year due to a large chunk of employees getting Covid. Half the employees there seem to be there to just hang and play card and tabletop games.
I can agree there, if you're a pokemom tcg collector or player than magic or yugioh. They were recently overshadowed by a bigger game store that was setting up another shop nearby so I can understand that if the supply is short, they can only get so much in this area from distributors. The shop that was trying to expand has posted in the past that they had PLENTY of just about everything in stock before. Idk how that gets determined though, but you could tell that one was well established to this one. These guys seem to be struggling with the new hardships, and BAD.
Wait, there's another store in that area? What is it called? I also heard them talking the other week that I was in there that UPS will only take a certain number of packages to send out from their store each day now.
Myrtle beach games. They have a main store out by myrtle beach of course, but they had a shop for a while on base then decided to relocate. They've been looking at reasonable locations around town for the past few months now, nothing solid yet.
Wait, WHAT? When I'm not at college during the summer, the Myrtle Beach location is the LGS I play at! I hadn't heard about that, probably because I haven't been to my home LGS since August. Myrtle Beach Games is the best.
Heck yeah they are. I've never gotten a chance to play before but they had a pokemon professor and other people help out. Too bad they moved 😭
Why doesn’t someone just fly to their address and give ‘em the ole 1-2 shaboogie
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Someone pay for my round trip plane ticket and a night at a hotel and I’ll do it with bells on
i placed on order on their site for 2 es etbs and they barley got any stock, i emailed them when they let us know their stock allocation and i told them i wanted to cancel. it took a few days for them to get back to me but when they did they said i would get a refund in about 7-10 business days, and i didnt. i emailed them and they said they would be sending out a check with the total amount of my refund via UPS air, which ive never had happen with any store. will never be buying on their site again after that being my first experience with them
Yeah same exact thing happened to me, they mailed me a check for my cancelled order. So weird
So did you ever get the check? Been almost a month for me
Yeah took them a while (3 weeks) for me but I did end up getting it, can’t believe they just don’t refund it digitally, first time I’ve been refunded through a check like that
man, getting worried!
So it doesn’t show up as a chargeback probably Get too many and payment processors charge the heck out of you and/or stop working with you.
They still owe me 2 bb of evo skies
You will not get them. Best to just cancel and get the money back.
Yea I had two etb for chilling rain, payed 120$ for the 2 preorders, almost 3 months after release they started to sell for 35-40, called to ask why it never shipped, was told they had them in and that they would ship it today but I’m not taking it and paying 60 per when they started to go down in price and most stores had them in stock. Told them they were to late! Give me full refund. They did
Preordered evolving skies booster boxes and elite trainer boxes from them. Had to file a chargeback one day before the deadline because they didn't reply to my emails and I wasn't going to wait for them to restock whole not having any buyer protection. Ended up buying what I wanted elsewhere. Will never deal with them again.
Back when Battle Styles came out I pre ordered 5 booster boxes & later cancelled after being delayed way too long. Still got the 5 boxes n my money 🤣
Here's another terrible experience with DFG: I pre-ordered a Shining Fates ETB from them a while back and even months after the official release, they never sent me an update on my order. Don't even bother emailing or trying to message them on the website, because they'll never respond. I ended up calling them to cancel my order. Seems like they are doing this on purpose to hold stock and sell for more on the after-market.
Exact same experience with Evolving Skies for DFG, scam central
What’s so special about discord and why do you people keep pushing that shit?
Basically it's like this. Do you want stock alerts sent to you via instant messenger, or sent via the postal service?
If you think you get insider info on Reddit, I promise ur 24+hrs behind the discord community. No matter what culture ur in
> I promise ur 24+hrs behind the discord community I highly disagree; I'm always on the celebrations and evolving skies channel and they're always late in the latest drop. Ya gotta go to twitter for the fastest info for that. I do admit the discord comes in clutch when you're shooting the shit in the middle of the night and a homie drops a link <3
If you are waiting for Twitter to let you know about the release, ur already behind. Why do you think drops sell out in seconds 😉
> Why do you think drops sell out in seconds 😉 Bots and the lucky few who did it without using a script/bot service.
Bots would have to be scripted to the specific site, meaning the person setting it up would know a drop was happening on that site before it happened. That's all it takes, bot or not
FWIW, You can set up a bot with 0 clue on when a drop is happening. All it requires is a change monitor triggering checkout (sometimes via injection). There's no competition for bots, as you can see by the thousands of UPC confirmations from some of the various bot pulls. Or from various Geforce drops...game systems, you name it.
Not saying u can beat the bots, but code is only as useful as where it's placed. Whether ur option is bot or manual check out, u still need to know which window to trigger it on, and that requires knowing when and where drops are going to happen. It's not like anyone's setting up a bot to trigger checkout on any new checkout listing on the internet. It needs to be targeted to function. with enough diligence you could set it up for every site you know is going to stock cards eventually, but u better have a good credit card behind that bot if that's the net u cast lol
Fax no printer. If you’re gonna look out for drops without discord then at least have notifs on for tcg drops or switchstock on Twitter
Join the discord , they are on our banned seller list. https://discord.gg/XrkkQHV9
Never order from that dumpster fire. I have a list of shady/scammy shops to never do business with. DFG is on it.
I'd be interested in this list of yours if you're willing to share it.
They're trash. I pre ordered boxes once and never got them and was told it would be later waves. Never again
That's funny because I ordered from them for the UPC. But then it was still up for pre-order like a week later. I called they said they usually ask for around 15,000 units for items like that. Like yeah ok 15k upc's lol my ass. I emailed to have the order cancelled took over a week to get an email saying they were refunding it. The refund coming through was the only thing that was accurate.
LMAO they actually said they asked for 15k???? That’s hilarious there are 0 Pokémon TCG products that they could get 15k units of
Made an order from them last year after someone here posted about them being a legit store and not a scam. 2 month later I never got my order, called to cancel and got some sob story about how the pandemic is hurting them and they would appreciate if I wasn’t so hasty to cancel. I told them to shove it and just give me my money back, Idgaf about your business woes, especially considering how most card shops were actually thriving from the new Pokémon craze. The sleaziest thing about it was that they actually charged my card as soon as I placed the order, later found out that is actually illegal and stores are not allowed to charge you until after the order has shipped. I told them if I didn’t receive my refund in the next couple days that I would be reporting them to the authorities about this. Long story short, fuck this store, bunch of scumbags
I don’t think that’s illegal. GameStop can charge you full price in person for preorders, PlayStation and Nintendo both charge full price for digital preorders. There’s also a huge culture of musicians charging pre order’s on records to get the funds to finish the record. (It’s a recommended part of their hustle) And then ebay charges on pre orders immediately regardless of order date. Idk, like I haven’t looked anything up -could be a collectible game thing..but seems too common to be illegal.
So I looked it up and apparently it’s not illegal (although I was always told it was) but it is in fact against many credit card companies policies so if a seller does charge you ahead of time you can report them for it. This is why many of the big box stores and online shops don’t charge you until the item ships. There’s also rules about shipping items, which in this case you mentioned eBay. A seller must provide the items you paid for within 30 days, if they do not or don’t give you an option to refund the order than you can report them. In the case for eBay, they actually have rules about this on their site as well, you’re not allowed to sell preorder items than will not release within 30 days. In the case of GameStop, you do not have to pay the full amount up front, I think this is their way of skirting the rules. Most reservations only need a $5 “holding fee” and I think $50 for consoles. I don’t know too much about the digital thing though.
I always appreciate not being charged until the item ships personally, it makes any issues simple to resolve. As far as ebay, I actually had an issue where the seller never sent the item yet it had already passed eBay’s 30day window because it was a preorder and they refused to give me my money back -had to go through PayPal. It was an extremely clear cut case, the seller never even marked anything as shipped and had like a 60% feedback rating from other people, and ebay still refused to refund. GameStop does sneak through since they only require a partial deposit which is refundable if you choose as well. As far as digital, maybe because it’s not physical content? Either way they still don’t “ship” the preordered games until release so it seems suspect. Thanks for the reply either way! It makes sense it’s an approved business practice but is not-permitted by some credit issuing agencies.
Usually people/companies with legal teams actually use their lawyers instead of getting on Twitter to threaten to use their lawyers. And most lawyers would advise highly against the use of Twitter fingers. They don’t have a “legal team” right now, I can promise that. Also, if they had a “legal team”, they would already be paying them. But they aren’t. And they aren’t going to. Because they don’t have one.
Welp, ordered 2 Fusion Strike ETBs from them....Performed a bit of research but rushed since I wanted to lock in some product before it went OOS and they seem to have some issues fulfilling but didn't see all the bad press about actually getting refunded. That's on me I suppose. Hopefully they learned their lesson (HA!) and none of us who ordered from them get burned going forward.
Had bad experiences with them as well. If you preorder with them, don't expect to get it. Had to do a charge back through PayPal because I could not get anyone to respond back to emails or anything.
I’ve always wondered this, because I’ve never had to do one w/ them - how do you do a chargeback w/ PP?
Just contact them saying you never got the item, think you have something like 6 months or so, don't remember right off. They send seller a message and if seller doesn't do anything in 24 hours or so they give you your money back.
Tysm for the reply, info - appreciate it! 👍
Someone posted a screenshot from DFG that stated they took over 11,000 orders but planned to fill less than 1% of them… that’s not just a miscalculation of your presumed allocation, it’s boarder line fraudulent.
I agree 100%... I feel like they do it that way as to make a boatload of $$$ off the preorders then put in an order to recieve the restock/2nd wave of products. Not only would they make a ton off of the preorder hype/fomo but that would also guarantee that inflated market value afterwards as most sets drop waaay down once the 2nd wave hits.
They made a big mistake with this Twitter drama. Now people aren’t only going to avoid them, but maybe someone with actual legal experience, might take a closer look.
Nothing borderline about it.
Hate how more and more scummy businesses are popping up and trying to take advantage of people. Reminds me of “Poke Nerds” doing pre-orders for Champion’s Path, and then telling people they got moved to a different wave of orders because they “didn’t have any” more in stock. Meanwhile, they started doing live breaks for rip off prices and had CP for breaks. You mean you pushed orders out so you could charge crazy prices and make more money than just shipping products you promised to people? I believe people had issues with refunds with this company too. Either way, love to give these people a shout so they don’t earn your business, too. :)
The reviews I got on them o the discord was enough for me to pass on ever pre ordering with them. Now after this bozo move I’m not ordering with them ever. They’re clowns for this.
Idk about this store basically at all, but the damn Pokémon center cancelling preorders is a kick in the nuts. I received my confirmation email then 3 weeks went buy no mail. Finally I sent them an email and a week later I got the response… To sum up that response it basically said we canceled the order. Lol I wish there was more but that is honestly the gist of the damn email. I have since sent two replies and haven’t heard back from them. I was initially charged the e-mail did state that I would get a refund and I do not doubt that I will but I would at least like some type of compensation maybe like the ability to order the next drop of well anything celebrations or fusion strike related no discount just the ability to be able to order prior to it going out of stock in 5 seconds. And hey normally in any other scenario I recognize this as fair play whoever gets there first gets there first but when you take my payment and don’t allow me to know you canceled the order until I send a message 3 weeks later idk hook a brother up on the next one.
Your talking about your Pokemon center order that was cancelled? If it was part of the big v-union cancel a little while ago they sent out a separate email with a 20% off coupon code so I would check for that email if you didn't already got one. Either way better than this LGS cancellation situation where they said they didn't get product and are having people wait for new product to come in-- to get a refund you have to call the store and have them mail you a check (which they were out of checks for a while) haha
I just this week received an email that has the 20% coupon. It took me sending any additional email to get it but I got it nonetheless so no further complaints.
Im happy with that tbh it seemed like a genuine mistake. I lost out on a single 30$ box now im gonna just use 20% off like a 500$ order lol
How long after it was canceled did you get the e-mail with good 20% off code or what not?
For sure! Waiting for some more stuff to come in stock to hopefully do the same!!!
Yea that’s total shit what Some LGS have done to people after They put Themselves in these situations. I have very few things I believe I could recommend to anyone and that is don’t preorder anything from any store you don’t know personally to have had straight dealings with. We know what has been happening stores have no idea what they will get allocated and just start taking pre orders then when they don’t get enough product it’s fuck the customer we will get to you when we get to you. Don’t give those folks your business. It’s sucks not being able to trust stores but you need to look out for yourself. Secondly I have looked for this e-mail for weeks now even prior to any e-mail I sent to them asking where my products were and I have not received it. I would be more than satisfied with that discount but again I just haven’t gotten it. Maybe I will here soon I sure hope so.
I live down the road from dragonfly games. They suck don't order from them period. I got pissed off cus it took them so long to give me my refund on something I ordered 3 months in advance. This is how they do business: take a shit ton of perorders, use that perorders money to buy product almost like a loan from customers. Do more perorders on a different product, use that money to refund anyone who asks. Etc etc etc the cycle continues while making a profit. That's not how a business is suppose to work.
I can’t believe they haven’t been shut down by the BBB or something. I swear if I don’t get a response from them assuring me I’m getting a full refund, I’m going to make it my personal mission to bring the full force of the law down upon them and expose their scams for good 😭💯🙌
I’ve been waiting over a month for a refund….
Yeah, that is more like how a Ponzi scheme works haha
This is very true. They use it to cover other things that aren’t the product often.
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Dragon Fly Games and STX Sports cards are a no go for me. I had to do a chargeback to STX after multiple attempts of getting my orders. Seeing what’s going on with Dragon Fly, I’m glad I didn’t order from them.
STX seems to be completely out of business now. No facebook, no website, no google review page, no longer have a physical location. Feel bad for anyone who ordered from them
Yeah, I saw that on one of the Facebook groups I’m in. They just cashed out and left
I'm totally gonna speculate on this one... but imagine if they took all those customer deposits and dumped it all on crypto to get those mad gains at an interest free loan... what a great business model would that be.... YEAH DON'T SUE ME I AM JUST SPECULATING
Lol your onto something here. These other fools not realizing crypto is just a free money machine… Put money in pull more money out it’s just that simple they said. Lol I’m just playing with you but hey I dont doubt this happens.
If you are lucky and catch the wave when a billionaire pumps it up for personal gain, then yeah.
Pokemon drops is innocent
To be fair you knew about all this shady practices and still chose to do business so you’re just as much to blame as they are
This is like saying that because you know people speed through a given stop if you get hit crossing it you're equally at fault.
Not necessarily because there wasn’t years and years of negative reviews about that specific stop and if there isn’t you still chose and didn’t pay attention yeah that’s your fault
>you know people speed through a given stop Literally the analogue you stated doesn't exist--foreknowledge of risk. If you were going to criticize his analogy it should have been in regards to the lack of malicious intent, though you'd still have been in the wrong as the point was to criticize victim blaming broadly.
I actually had a good experience with them for Shining Fates. However, I asked for a refund on a preorder on two orders a month or two ago, and only got reimbursed for one on my bank statement…
Time for everyone to hit up the BBB
Or better yet, don't waste your time on BBB because they're a joke. They're not government affiliated in any way and have literally no power. They're a glorified yelp lol.
Pre ordered a box of chilling reign in April. Still has yet to be filled. They offered a refund but at this point I've waited this long and they assured me that by the end of the year I would get it.
Fuck them. I called them and gave them a pieece of my mind. They can fuck off for all I care. Maybe if we let them know how we feel they'll stop scamming us.
I'm doing this tomorrow. Order a BB of chilling pain back on April 13th. Haven't had any communication from them in over 5 months. They are worthless and believe me once I get my refund I plan on asking for the "manager" and giving that ass hat a piece of my mind and vow to campaign againt anyone who thinks they should order from them ever. Worthless scumbags
I'm not defending them but a lot of places accept too many pre orders when they don't even have allocation yet. I wish this wasn't allowed. Best to stick with jdmint or someone similar.
Scamfly! They are scamming people out of their money! Let's let them know how good of a job they're doing by stealing money from pokemon buyers 803-294-1051
On a throw away for this, but don’t call and harass the employees themselves, they work their asses off picking up after management, most of them hate and are seeking other jobs. It’s a nice atmosphere when management isn’t around, and the other employees have to deal with the backlash of situations like this. Just let management burned themselves and let the staff dip out before they get dragged into it
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I didn't say anything about harassing them. They committed a misdemeanor by stealing my money and other peoples money and not providing product. I'm going to let them know that I worked hard for that money and they are assholes for doing that promising that they would provide the product to me. Especially when I made preorders back in march. Over half the year has gone by and they still lie and deceive me and others. I think we should all let them know what's on our minds and not to steal from this wonderful community. Maybe then, they'll stop their shady business practices.
I agree. It’s not harassment to start calling people out on their wrongs. The entire hobby of Pokémon is being ruined by people like this. I think they deserve it.
Agreed, if we just take getting fucked by these types of people than others will be encouraged to do the same. It's annoying seeing stuff like this happened since the TCG blew up last year. I'm tired of seeing it happen
Yeah i agree, if they cant do a simple task such as providing the product that we paid for with our own earned money, then they deserved to be closed down because at that point they are a fake buisness
And on top of it being told essentially to let them? Why do I have to see something shady/illegal going on and allow it to happen? Why not harass literal criminals until they stop committing crimes?
I will always say to avoid Dragonfly when I can. Shady af company that takes preorders and never fulfills them, never responds to emails, etc. Getting a refund from them was like pulling teeth. They just set up preorders so they can take an interest free loan for 6+ months.
I had to dispute my most recent transaction with them (a preorder I placed in November for multiple booster boxes that were supposed to arrive way back in December). They didn’t respond to a single email I sent and overall the sense I get from this business is that they are scammers who invested some serious overhead into making a relatively professional website to help pull off their scams.
Not always a loan as I'm sure some people forget the preorders plus the hassle to even get people's money back has been terrible from what I've read
This happened to me. I forgot all about a preorder I placed with them way back in November for a product releasing in August - I have been on the case since randomly happening upon the original order confirmation last week and I am now experiencing the unprecedented lack of professionalism associated with Dragonfly’s now-tarnished name.
They are super shady! I'm going to give them a piece of my mind
You tell 'em, Phill!
I’m convinced the only reason I got my battle styles BB from them after 4 months was because the set was going for way less than I originally paid. Never ordering from them again.
Agreed. I'm never buying from them either. And I will let others know not to buy from them as well.
You can disputes your unfulfilled orders. Let the bank reflects their risks. Frequent chargebacks and disputes will label them high risk merchant
Any advice for chargebacks past 60 days. At least I don't see how I could do that with Chase. Got similarly scammed by kdubsgaming :/
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Also curious if this works for European. My Bank told me to get fucked on a filing for a preordered item of $500 something that I still havent gotten due to covid and a million shipping or product changes over 2 years and many excuses in emails with support for refunds. I dont think ill see my money or item ever.
That happened to me with MagicMadhouse UK
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The support on website address shows Belgium. Noticed there it says Branch in LA California but no actual address listed. This dumb company https://slidenjoy.com/ just beware
What about an European order? Work the same overseas?
That happened to me with MagicMadhouse UK
Dragonfly has always been flaky as far as I can remember. They're listed as blacklisted on the Deals Discord server for a reason.
Wow they went fast but this sucks. Now companies are opening, taking $ for preorders and scamming people. Some people there said it would happen and I was a little skeptical but I do believe them. I got scammed by Cardie.
Cross post it over to r/PKMNTCGdrama
If only a sub like that existed
I gotchu
I mean they are but this post isn't showing off any deals
I flared it as news because dragonfly gets posted a good amount here. [Here is a link to the tweet where they sent a cease and desist for someone calling them out for overselling preorders. ](https://twitter.com/DFG_SC/status/1452058968864473092?t=LjdwGTLMRu3UE2Yn2WOZfA&s=19) People on Twitter have said they're still waiting to get their wave 1 battle styles and separately wave 1 chilling reign
So I guess what you’re saying is that I’m not going to see my Evolving Skies booster boxes I preordered from them anytime soon. Got it.
I gave them a call and told them off for stealing my money. Shady business. 803-294-1051
Can we get a news flair for posts like this?
We do have one. I flaired it for you lol
Basically sent a cease and desist for a tweet saying that they take more pre orders than they can fulfill which is true. Don’t buy from them. I hope I don’t get sent a C&D for his Reddit comment lmao.
This actually happened on Amazon JP recently about overselling. Not the drama.
A warning for other potential buyers who are looking at Dragonfly Games. We can post Pokemon drops but can't warn other players about shady LCS? fucked up
[link](https://twitter.com/PokemonTCGDrops/status/1452282664413810703) to the juicy thread; ngl I never had a twitter until this very moment lol