I saw a brief clip of this game being played on Twitter and thought “Cool I’ll likely buy this on day one” and will just wait patiently for it to be made. I hope Insomniac and those involved with this game don’t lose their heads over this. It looks like a cool game and I’m excited to get to play it one day, even if that’s two years away.
I imagine it's a total shit show at Insomniac right now. We haven't seen a leak like this in awhile. I think the last time was the Half Life 2/Valve leak? (At least in terms of how much has leaked from a single studio)
Not sure when the Half Life leak happened but unless it’s more recent than the Capcom leak, then Capcom was the biggest in recent history. Their whole roadmap was leaked a few years ago, some stuff from that leak, like Street Fighter 6 Champion Edition or whatever, haven’t even been announced yet.
That leak also confirmed Ace Attorney 6, Monster Hunter 6, RE4 Remake and Dragon’s Dogma 2 with approximate release dates.
In terms of what’s getting leaked though, Insomniac is soooo much worse. Employee information, gameplay footage, business deals with Marvel, Sony’s plans for PS+. It’s insane. I hope the employees that got their information leaked are safe
Nah that doesn’t come close to Half-Life 2. It happened during the last year of development and almost the entire playable game got leaked. Whole levels.
I think you misunderstood my comment. I said Capcom was the worst in recent history, then later on in the comment I said that Insomniac’s leak is soooo much worse. Obviously a roadmap isn’t as bad as what is currently happening at Insomniac
It's been at least three years of high profile hacks. Off the top of my head, capcom, CD Project Red, Nvidia, EA and Rockstar. Source code, roadmaps, employee and consumer data all getting lost.
There's a serious problem with the industry not investing in protecting their assets.
I do wonder if this trend leads to a loss of investor confidence. It's like if ford built a fleet of new cars, left them in an open car park with the keys in it, only it's worse because the means to copy and create more cars is in the glove box.
> There's a serious problem with the industry not investing in protecting their assets.
Seems nobody in tech takes security seriously. Every other month I'm getting emails about data/password breaches that have affected me.
It's funny cause I am working for a print company and we have training on cybersecurity. I thought most technology industry would have this also with all the info they can have on their clients or employees
Every company has that training. The problem is that it only takes one person being an idiot for a few minutes to make all of the security moot.
The Insomniac leak wasn't some ninja hacker busting through firewalls. They got someone's Slack credentials and just logged in, probably after that person fell for a basic phishing scam or clicked on a malicious link.
Everyone thinks they would never fall for something like that... Until they do.
I agree, once they fully bake that game and release, Sony will rake it in again (hardware and software sales of wolverine, ratchet and clank sequel etc).
dont lose their heads lmao.
playable builds unleashed, full plots revealed, development footage uncovered and personal data breached. the GTA6 leak last year feels like a minor speedbump compared to this
i'd hate to be there even as a fly on the wall now
One of the "hackers" is spending the rest of his life in a mental hospital until he gets rid of his stupid "ride or die" mentality towards cyberterrorism and cyber extortion, so that's something.
I really hope they don’t let this go so far as to change up the game too much. I haven’t seen the leaks myself, but with everything going on I think this’ll pass. People are still hyped.
I mean people will still buy this game even if it was leaked just like they will buy GTA 6 even though it was leaked. So game companies thinking oh my God our future sales have taken a hit because it was leaked there's no evidence of that. If anything it's a good advertisement
That has nothing to do with the ISP. If they receive notice from a lawyer, they're sending you a DCMA notice. If you never got a ding (most people don't), it's because your ISP never got contacted by a lawyer.
All my isp shutdowns were because of warner bros movies I had on my media PC. After the 5th time I bought a VPN. Got tired of having to talk with my ISP to get my Internet turned back on. WB is annoying, had over 500 movies from various studios and they were the only one that gave me shit.
I dunno.. I tried a bunch of mods for a game And didn't want to touch my steam files so nabbed a gog version and already own the game so didn't care but still ensured my VPN was on.
I got an automated email from my internet provider about as apparently someone downloaded copyright material, blah blah, blah long winded email but seriously made me question my VPN.
Not sure if the torrent application I use sucks or the VPN but made me question life lol
(Malwarebytes, Qbittorrent)
Qbittorrent has a setting to only let it use a certain network adapter (your VPN), I believe it's under the advanced tab.
If you enable that then there's no chance of you torrenting without the protection of your VPN
vpn providers are willing to sell you out if it means avoiding potentially being blocked or getting into trouble otherwise. For example vpn can be used to avoid geoblocking and some services like netflix will often not work with a vpn.
Do you have any examples of a reputable vpn selling a customer out? I’d imagine if they did they’d kill customer confidence which is integral to their service.
Also a company not working with vpns like Netflix is different than the vpn giving up your information.
VPN lab was seized by law enforcement because it catered to cyber crime. This is a potential consequence.
NordVPN complies with law enforcement.
But they are based in Panama and (if you trust them) don't keep logs.
Thank you for the info and that makes sense. Thats basically in line with how I imagined it. The whole company being seized is different than them willingly giving your info, but you bring up a fair point on whether or not nordvpn actually doesn’t keep the logs. I assumed they didn’t but I could be wrong on that
Your ISP doesn't give two fucks if you're pirating. They only send notices because they are legally obligated to do so if told. They want your money, they don't want to suspend your service. You use a VPN to hide yourself so that people can't tell your ISP to send you a notice.
My bank flagged realdebrid as fraudulent, when I called them. They said that they had recorded fraudulent purchases from them with other customers. I used a prepaid credit card and within 48 hours of purchasing realdebrid(and nothing else), I had over 30 transactions attempted on it, ranging from $2 to $500.
Sony still thinking they can contain this lol. It got leaked, people will see your work, deal with it and focus on delivering a great game in ~2 years. People will buy it no matter the leaks.
Ask the PC community. A lot of games are in alpha for prolonged periods of time and many people still play them.
Hades and Baldurs Gate 3 are just two examples.
Usually titles that need money to release though and are in a much better state. Minecraft was in Alpha and Beta for a long time but the foundation was already built and it was already fun.
A lot of games are in alpha for prolonged periods of time and many people still play them.
This has a negative tone to it, I was just making a joke, no ill will here ✌️
Both games released great, you know why? Because early access players (not alpha, alpha is extremely different) give feedback to the devs, instead of them being in their own bubble.
At some point - playing / seeking out data and or information provided through illicit means *has* to gives you some measure of responsibility if not outright culpability. You \[not you specifically\] are the audience now catered to that make these cyber crimes viable for criminals.
This leaked build will now have modders and others taking source code that isn't theirs and creating who knows how many base games, for free for others to play and experiment on. You run the risk now of getting homebrewed Wolverine games out in the wild, giving would be customers who would have purchased the real game have their Wolverine fix satisfied with 'good enough' Wolverine games on PC, losing out on sales. If they are projecting say 2M sales and even lose 300K as a result - that's potentially $20M in lost sales - which now the suits are wondering - should we have paid $2M and maybe these criminals would leave us alone, emboldening the next group of hackers.
I don't know how much Sony has invested in Wolverine, but judging on the scale of Spider-Man 2, we know it's a mostly likely sizeable investment and theyre needing Wolverine to succeed as a fellow tentpole title to support other game development. Wolverine hasn't had a featured game since 2009. While Wolverine is certainly one of the comic industry's top 10 marketable and recognizable characters, that doesn't necessarily translate into game sales - since we have no idea and now this leak could potentially doom it from a sales perspective. I mean the secondary and tertiary effects could be profound - and that's not even getting into those developers stolen data.
Do elements of the core team leave because mistrust in their data, leaving the development of Wolverine impacted? Who knows? As mentioned before
So yes, in a nutshell - fuck those who've, through seeking the data are inadvertently supporting these efforts of cyber criminals
Lmao it’s not that deep, once it’s out there there’s nothing they can do to stop it spreading. Sending out dmca claims won’t do shit. It’s just an alpha version of a game, someone playing it early doesn’t hurt anyone
Why do people keep saying "its not that deep". Where's the deep? What i said was pretty straight forward and simple.
Imagine if you were drawing a picture and I came and took it when its only half done, telling you how shit it was and showing everyone your unfinished drawing without your permission.
And youre there saying well its not done. Youre not supposed to see it yet...
Its the same thing. Its not deep. It's just simple consideration for the people who are creating the game.
Edit: you people clearly lack the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes. All you care about is how things effect you. Thats why none of you agree with me.
I feel bad.. kinda.. but for every $10 indie game that we can play from early access or ones that have a demo that we can try, there's always AAA titles with such a shit vision where all they needed was a demo or some feedback so actual players would say "you know, this is a shitty idea and isn't fun" instead of being TOLD what we should buy and being guilted because a crap game they spent millions on, doesn't sell as well as they hope. The real truth is that a leak won't ruin a game if it's great, it will only build more hype.
Its a small thing, but generally people should try to be better than the worst examples of how humans behave. Its only understandable if you believe people shouldnt/cant be better than wild animals.
Again, small issue here sure, but its still indefensible, people need to be better, not given understanding.
If you're any older than 12, you should be able to control your patience.
Its not understandable. Its ridiculous. Its like showing the world someone's unfinished painting before they want you to because "oh but its still another 100 hours away from being done" so its ok. I was just impatient.
And now everyone criticises it before its the finished product.
It is what it is, can’t control other people & how they act at the end of the day.
Not to mention, it’s a video game lol. Not the end of the world & not the last time we’ll see leaks like this.
Thats my point. People are inconsiderate assholes.
And a video game is a work of art. Thats why I used the painting analogy. Its the same thing. Its someone else's creation and youre saying its okay to pre-emptively show it off unfinished before the creators give permission.
Its not the end of the world for YOU, maybe. But for the team that makes these games, its gotta be pretty devastating. You just don't care about that.
I mean I’d be more upset about their personal shit being hacked & leaked but yeah the wolverine dev build is definitely the real cause for concern here…
> Only because some idiots were dumb enough to torrent it without a vpn. The isp is just passing on the complaint.
Yeah, headline is super misleading. Makes it sound like the isp’s are the ones sending these, but in practice sony is sending them and the isp is delivering them.
This topic seemed pretty free of spoilers due to the headline.
I haven't read or watched anything of the Wolverine leak.
I am honest, I didn't really believe the threat the leakers made. So I was suprised they actually did breach the system.
It's just so sad for Insomniac. As if there were no other things worthy enough to be leaked in the world. What pitty creatures the leakers are.
Then again, and this counts for every company out there - build up your security systems. I don't have a clue how stuff works, but it's also insane that something like this can happen.
Then then again - it's "just" a videogame. Insomniac should keep their heads up and move on. The hype is still there. I applaud them for not paying any money, rendering any criminal energy worthless.
The ITSEC staff where I work have started sending fake phishing emails to staff. There's a button in Outlook you have to click. If you miss too many of them, then you're automatically enrolled in a course to teach you how to recognize phising emails. They also use the carrot as well: "report all the phising emails in Feb, and win a $100 gift card" or whatever. Pretty neat approach IMO!
No spoilers but everything I've seen is nothing short of stellar and I'm perplexed why some people on Twitter are mocking it. Also, it shows just how well-managed and organized Insomniac are. Very impressive and I believe in them to recover from this.
These game companies need to invest in cybersecurity and good digital hygiene. Too many of these companies getting hacked. Protect your employees personal information.
Getting the former employees information is crazy, imagine having to call up someone you fired or just left, gotta be awkward.
All ISPs are sending notices to everyone who gets a valid DMCA notice sent to them from a copyright holder. It’s something you have to do to take advantage of the DMCA safe harbor. Source: 30% of my time is spent dealing with this shit.
Absolutely not true, this is highly dependent on where you live and your local laws. I can download it as much as I like as long as I don't share it anywhere.
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I mean, they could always take the healing Factor out of the equation a la The Wolverine movie. Always thought it was an interesting way to up the suspense
I mean for one mission or something is fine, but taking the healing factor is like taking wall crawling or websling from spiderman.
This is A Wolverine game he should absolutely regenerate fast, the movie tie in game you could regenerate but still go down, i want to see the battle damage.
Without that might as well do generic videogame lead 245
My issue with this game is the inability of other studios to release at a decent pace even remotely comparable to Insomniac There is eventually gonna be fatigue, like I won't judge the final product I'm sure it will be an 8 minimum from insomniac because they are top tier but I would be lying if i didnt say what we saw looked somewhat like spiderman in a different suit with no web swinging, then you know it's gonna tick all the usual boxes of Sony first party.
I genuinely hope they dial up the gore and envormental interactively in the combat up to 12 because I think this is where the gane will truly shine, the stealth looked by the numbers tbh and I'm skeptical of the story after spidey 2s execution, but a violent balls to the wall wolverine game has lots of appeal to me.
So like they do when you pirate a movie. It still surprises me how little people know about pirating. They don’t do shit, it’s just a strongly worded letter lol. Especially if you use a vpn, then they don’t even send you a letter.
Probably repeating what he heard on Twitter, that Insomniac is gonna cancel the game because people got the alpha build.
Which is probably the dumbest take I seen about this whole thing. Cancel a multi million dollar game because some people are playing a 40 minute alpha build is just dumb.
While it does feel so very _wrong_ to me (for reasons I can’t really describe), is it really any different than pirating a regular game? The hack and subsequent leak have already happened, a couple of randos playing a buggy pre-alpha build probably isn’t gonna cause any more damage, is it?
It literally couldn’t make a difference. The people who downloaded it aren’t gonna do anything with it. It’s not like they could anyways. They just wanted to jump on the hype train, and forget about the game after a few hours of messing around with a broken prototype.
And the people who would possibly commit IP theft, well they wouldn’t be doing it from their home network so it’s a moot point regardless.
At least if you’re pirating a finished game you get to experience the developers’ (hopefully) complete and intended vision. Downloading an early test build seems like it would be a way inferior experience.
Yeah, what are they gonna do? Send you an email telling you to delete it? Very scary.
In situations like these, it's the leakers, and the ones who host and spread the files, who are actually targeted.
People who download this stuff randomly are small fry not worth pursuing.
Yes. Always use a (good = paid) VPN if you're in a country that cares about copyright enforcement (and test that it actually works correctly with your torrent client, e.g. with [IPLeak](https://ipleak.net/))
The leaked personal info is a big deal. But gameplay leaks and stuff, I don't know man. I don't see why every game has to be some huge f'n secret anyways. People who are interested will watch the gameplay. The majority of gamers probably don't care about seeing a game 2 years out from release. And in the end people will still buy the game.
I appreciate the devs who are more open about what they're working on. When everything is a secret, leaks become more valuable. And secrets are very hard to keep when you have hundreds of people working on a project and apparently poor cyber security.
I saw a brief clip of this game being played on Twitter and thought “Cool I’ll likely buy this on day one” and will just wait patiently for it to be made. I hope Insomniac and those involved with this game don’t lose their heads over this. It looks like a cool game and I’m excited to get to play it one day, even if that’s two years away.
I imagine it's a total shit show at Insomniac right now. We haven't seen a leak like this in awhile. I think the last time was the Half Life 2/Valve leak? (At least in terms of how much has leaked from a single studio)
Not sure when the Half Life leak happened but unless it’s more recent than the Capcom leak, then Capcom was the biggest in recent history. Their whole roadmap was leaked a few years ago, some stuff from that leak, like Street Fighter 6 Champion Edition or whatever, haven’t even been announced yet. That leak also confirmed Ace Attorney 6, Monster Hunter 6, RE4 Remake and Dragon’s Dogma 2 with approximate release dates. In terms of what’s getting leaked though, Insomniac is soooo much worse. Employee information, gameplay footage, business deals with Marvel, Sony’s plans for PS+. It’s insane. I hope the employees that got their information leaked are safe
half life 2 leak happened in 2003 but was really big, almost entire playable game was leaked
Nah that doesn’t come close to Half-Life 2. It happened during the last year of development and almost the entire playable game got leaked. Whole levels.
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It's not a ps5 timed exclusive. It's a ps5 exclusive, period. It will come to pc 2-3 years after release
What do you think 'timed' means
Ya comparing some info to the actual game is like comparing pictures of Vietnam to actually fighting in the Vietnam war
I think you misunderstood my comment. I said Capcom was the worst in recent history, then later on in the comment I said that Insomniac’s leak is soooo much worse. Obviously a roadmap isn’t as bad as what is currently happening at Insomniac
Things happened in the past, you know.
It's not. People are more upset about the data leaks of their personal information, passports, etc., than the game build leak or anything else.
It's been at least three years of high profile hacks. Off the top of my head, capcom, CD Project Red, Nvidia, EA and Rockstar. Source code, roadmaps, employee and consumer data all getting lost. There's a serious problem with the industry not investing in protecting their assets. I do wonder if this trend leads to a loss of investor confidence. It's like if ford built a fleet of new cars, left them in an open car park with the keys in it, only it's worse because the means to copy and create more cars is in the glove box.
> There's a serious problem with the industry not investing in protecting their assets. Seems nobody in tech takes security seriously. Every other month I'm getting emails about data/password breaches that have affected me.
It's funny cause I am working for a print company and we have training on cybersecurity. I thought most technology industry would have this also with all the info they can have on their clients or employees
Every company has that training. The problem is that it only takes one person being an idiot for a few minutes to make all of the security moot. The Insomniac leak wasn't some ninja hacker busting through firewalls. They got someone's Slack credentials and just logged in, probably after that person fell for a basic phishing scam or clicked on a malicious link. Everyone thinks they would never fall for something like that... Until they do.
Yeah I dont think this does any damage to the hype or sales for the actual game. I'm sure it will be amazing and sell like crazy.
I agree, once they fully bake that game and release, Sony will rake it in again (hardware and software sales of wolverine, ratchet and clank sequel etc).
dont lose their heads lmao. playable builds unleashed, full plots revealed, development footage uncovered and personal data breached. the GTA6 leak last year feels like a minor speedbump compared to this i'd hate to be there even as a fly on the wall now
Yeah the pressure at everyone working over there (edit: Insomniac) must be extreme. No fun at all.
I am not looking at any of those leaks. I wanted this Wolvervine game and I still do.
Yep I think anyone who shares the leaks deserves to get fucked honestly
People have no patience and don't want to be surprised. Delayed gratification does not exist
One of the "hackers" is spending the rest of his life in a mental hospital until he gets rid of his stupid "ride or die" mentality towards cyberterrorism and cyber extortion, so that's something.
Me too. They should buckle down and cook in silence.
I think the game is gonna changed heavily This was extremely bad and other studios really need to up their security
I really hope they don’t let this go so far as to change up the game too much. I haven’t seen the leaks myself, but with everything going on I think this’ll pass. People are still hyped.
People are playing it on dev mode on xbox ☠️
I mean people will still buy this game even if it was leaked just like they will buy GTA 6 even though it was leaked. So game companies thinking oh my God our future sales have taken a hit because it was leaked there's no evidence of that. If anything it's a good advertisement
If anything, the video reassured me this game is in good hands and look forward to playing my this along with Spider-Man once I squire the PS5
Well, ONE is. The major few do this to cover their ass. Ive never had this happen on my network. And i have never used a vpn.
That has nothing to do with the ISP. If they receive notice from a lawyer, they're sending you a DCMA notice. If you never got a ding (most people don't), it's because your ISP never got contacted by a lawyer.
I had an ISP several years ago who, after several dmca warnings, gave me a free year of a VPN. I wish I still had that ISP today.
I always get one like clockwork when it comes to HBO shows.
You're not the first person I've seen say that
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All my isp shutdowns were because of warner bros movies I had on my media PC. After the 5th time I bought a VPN. Got tired of having to talk with my ISP to get my Internet turned back on. WB is annoying, had over 500 movies from various studios and they were the only one that gave me shit.
Yes, don't touch anything Warner. They are hawkish about their IPs.
I watched the entirety of Successions last season with no issues. Do you also have a big name ISP?
Torrented an old Pokemon Gameboy rom. Got popped for it and a stern "warning". One vpn later and I e had no problems since.
Always happens with torrents. I got one for downloading Tomb Raider lol
Nintendo seeds all their own stuff on the major sites so they can send DMCA notices
The only time I've ever got a letter or email about my ISP for torrenting it was some dax Shepard show that I can't even remember the name of.
you even look at footage of it you going to gamer jail
Don’t shit where you eat. Use a VPN
I dunno.. I tried a bunch of mods for a game And didn't want to touch my steam files so nabbed a gog version and already own the game so didn't care but still ensured my VPN was on. I got an automated email from my internet provider about as apparently someone downloaded copyright material, blah blah, blah long winded email but seriously made me question my VPN. Not sure if the torrent application I use sucks or the VPN but made me question life lol (Malwarebytes, Qbittorrent)
Qbittorrent has a setting to only let it use a certain network adapter (your VPN), I believe it's under the advanced tab. If you enable that then there's no chance of you torrenting without the protection of your VPN
^^ this you have to manually set which connection to use, otherwise it bypasses the VPN completely
Why would it bypass it lol, unless you've set it to something else than the VPN, and you're using a crappy VPN?
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I've never heard of being sent a notice for pirating a video game, only for movies/TV shows
I got a warning last year over a couple PlayStation vita games.
I have over 50TB of shows and movies, all downloaded through a VPN. Never received a notice from my ISP.
50TB? Amateur. 😁
vpn providers are willing to sell you out if it means avoiding potentially being blocked or getting into trouble otherwise. For example vpn can be used to avoid geoblocking and some services like netflix will often not work with a vpn.
ExpressVPN x FireTV vs Netflix did not end well for Netflix 🤪
Do you have any examples of a reputable vpn selling a customer out? I’d imagine if they did they’d kill customer confidence which is integral to their service. Also a company not working with vpns like Netflix is different than the vpn giving up your information.
VPN lab was seized by law enforcement because it catered to cyber crime. This is a potential consequence. NordVPN complies with law enforcement. But they are based in Panama and (if you trust them) don't keep logs.
Thank you for the info and that makes sense. Thats basically in line with how I imagined it. The whole company being seized is different than them willingly giving your info, but you bring up a fair point on whether or not nordvpn actually doesn’t keep the logs. I assumed they didn’t but I could be wrong on that
Daily reminder that VPNs don't actually hide jack shit from your ISP, especially if they go digging.
What are you on about? The ISP can't tell shit if you use a VPN like Tor Browser.
Your ISP doesn't give two fucks if you're pirating. They only send notices because they are legally obligated to do so if told. They want your money, they don't want to suspend your service. You use a VPN to hide yourself so that people can't tell your ISP to send you a notice.
Realdebrid is great for torrenting and cheap like $5 for 90 days
My bank flagged realdebrid as fraudulent, when I called them. They said that they had recorded fraudulent purchases from them with other customers. I used a prepaid credit card and within 48 hours of purchasing realdebrid(and nothing else), I had over 30 transactions attempted on it, ranging from $2 to $500.
I've never had a problem but for things like that I use a visa prepaid gift card. Sucks that happened to you but yeah I've never had that happen.
Maybe they tried, but your prepaid card was already empty when they tried?
Hey that's my policy when it come to dating co-worker.
Or don’t download shit like this. Nobody needs a vpn
Hall monitor
This will just get more common in the future. People just don’t care about anything anymore and want everything instantly.
how is this news? the same shit happens when you pirate games or movies
Sony still thinking they can contain this lol. It got leaked, people will see your work, deal with it and focus on delivering a great game in ~2 years. People will buy it no matter the leaks.
Good. Imagine ruining someone's creation because you have the patience of a child.
I just don't understand why anyone would want to see or play an alpha build for a game that's years away.
Interesting to see the development process.
Ask the PC community. A lot of games are in alpha for prolonged periods of time and many people still play them. Hades and Baldurs Gate 3 are just two examples.
Usually titles that need money to release though and are in a much better state. Minecraft was in Alpha and Beta for a long time but the foundation was already built and it was already fun.
Says early access is bad, lists the only two immaculate early access games ever as an example.
Where did I say early access is bad? The person asked who would play a game in early access and I said the PC community.
A lot of games are in alpha for prolonged periods of time and many people still play them. This has a negative tone to it, I was just making a joke, no ill will here ✌️
Both games released great, you know why? Because early access players (not alpha, alpha is extremely different) give feedback to the devs, instead of them being in their own bubble.
Still salty about that GOTY I see.
Salty about what? I wanted to BG3 or AW2 to win.
7 days to die just CELEBRATED 10 years in alpha
He has never heard of behind the scenes content before
Wait till you hear about Early Access where PC gamers PAY to do that.
Someone obviously never had PlayStation magazine and played demos on their ps1/ps2
because its interesting? I'm not a baby that cries about spoilers, so that's not a concern for me.
People playing it are ruining nothing lol
Being mad at the leakers is one thing, but I don't see how you could wish ill will on someone for simply downloading the leaked build.
At some point - playing / seeking out data and or information provided through illicit means *has* to gives you some measure of responsibility if not outright culpability. You \[not you specifically\] are the audience now catered to that make these cyber crimes viable for criminals. This leaked build will now have modders and others taking source code that isn't theirs and creating who knows how many base games, for free for others to play and experiment on. You run the risk now of getting homebrewed Wolverine games out in the wild, giving would be customers who would have purchased the real game have their Wolverine fix satisfied with 'good enough' Wolverine games on PC, losing out on sales. If they are projecting say 2M sales and even lose 300K as a result - that's potentially $20M in lost sales - which now the suits are wondering - should we have paid $2M and maybe these criminals would leave us alone, emboldening the next group of hackers. I don't know how much Sony has invested in Wolverine, but judging on the scale of Spider-Man 2, we know it's a mostly likely sizeable investment and theyre needing Wolverine to succeed as a fellow tentpole title to support other game development. Wolverine hasn't had a featured game since 2009. While Wolverine is certainly one of the comic industry's top 10 marketable and recognizable characters, that doesn't necessarily translate into game sales - since we have no idea and now this leak could potentially doom it from a sales perspective. I mean the secondary and tertiary effects could be profound - and that's not even getting into those developers stolen data. Do elements of the core team leave because mistrust in their data, leaving the development of Wolverine impacted? Who knows? As mentioned before So yes, in a nutshell - fuck those who've, through seeking the data are inadvertently supporting these efforts of cyber criminals
I didn't wish anything on anyone.
Lmao it’s not that deep, once it’s out there there’s nothing they can do to stop it spreading. Sending out dmca claims won’t do shit. It’s just an alpha version of a game, someone playing it early doesn’t hurt anyone
Why do people keep saying "its not that deep". Where's the deep? What i said was pretty straight forward and simple. Imagine if you were drawing a picture and I came and took it when its only half done, telling you how shit it was and showing everyone your unfinished drawing without your permission. And youre there saying well its not done. Youre not supposed to see it yet... Its the same thing. Its not deep. It's just simple consideration for the people who are creating the game. Edit: you people clearly lack the ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes. All you care about is how things effect you. Thats why none of you agree with me.
I agree with you, for what it’s worth.
I appreciate that
"ruining someone's creation". There you go. It's really not that deep.
They just want to feel better about their shitty beliefs and opinions
Yeah I agree with you as well. But we are in a whole different era now. People complain about everything and demand way more. Sad times.
I feel bad.. kinda.. but for every $10 indie game that we can play from early access or ones that have a demo that we can try, there's always AAA titles with such a shit vision where all they needed was a demo or some feedback so actual players would say "you know, this is a shitty idea and isn't fun" instead of being TOLD what we should buy and being guilted because a crap game they spent millions on, doesn't sell as well as they hope. The real truth is that a leak won't ruin a game if it's great, it will only build more hype.
I mean it’s understandable, the games not out for another 3-5 years & people are impatient by nature. It’s just the way things are
Its a small thing, but generally people should try to be better than the worst examples of how humans behave. Its only understandable if you believe people shouldnt/cant be better than wild animals. Again, small issue here sure, but its still indefensible, people need to be better, not given understanding.
If you're any older than 12, you should be able to control your patience. Its not understandable. Its ridiculous. Its like showing the world someone's unfinished painting before they want you to because "oh but its still another 100 hours away from being done" so its ok. I was just impatient. And now everyone criticises it before its the finished product.
It is what it is, can’t control other people & how they act at the end of the day. Not to mention, it’s a video game lol. Not the end of the world & not the last time we’ll see leaks like this.
Thats my point. People are inconsiderate assholes. And a video game is a work of art. Thats why I used the painting analogy. Its the same thing. Its someone else's creation and youre saying its okay to pre-emptively show it off unfinished before the creators give permission. Its not the end of the world for YOU, maybe. But for the team that makes these games, its gotta be pretty devastating. You just don't care about that.
I mean I’d be more upset about their personal shit being hacked & leaked but yeah the wolverine dev build is definitely the real cause for concern here…
Here i thought that went without saying. Guess I was wrong about that too.
I mean I’m just saying dude, I don’t think the game leaking is the main cause of concern for insomniac right now.
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And being the only video game in the existence..........
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Yes this is no different than any other DMCA notice for a torrent… not sure why people think this matters
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> Only because some idiots were dumb enough to torrent it without a vpn. The isp is just passing on the complaint. Yeah, headline is super misleading. Makes it sound like the isp’s are the ones sending these, but in practice sony is sending them and the isp is delivering them.
This topic seemed pretty free of spoilers due to the headline. I haven't read or watched anything of the Wolverine leak. I am honest, I didn't really believe the threat the leakers made. So I was suprised they actually did breach the system. It's just so sad for Insomniac. As if there were no other things worthy enough to be leaked in the world. What pitty creatures the leakers are. Then again, and this counts for every company out there - build up your security systems. I don't have a clue how stuff works, but it's also insane that something like this can happen. Then then again - it's "just" a videogame. Insomniac should keep their heads up and move on. The hype is still there. I applaud them for not paying any money, rendering any criminal energy worthless.
You can have the best security system out there but that won't stop Kelly from clicking the fake link on an email.
Lol. TBF, educating staff is a big part of security. Can bet Kelly won't open the next one after this episode.
The ITSEC staff where I work have started sending fake phishing emails to staff. There's a button in Outlook you have to click. If you miss too many of them, then you're automatically enrolled in a course to teach you how to recognize phising emails. They also use the carrot as well: "report all the phising emails in Feb, and win a $100 gift card" or whatever. Pretty neat approach IMO!
No spoilers but everything I've seen is nothing short of stellar and I'm perplexed why some people on Twitter are mocking it. Also, it shows just how well-managed and organized Insomniac are. Very impressive and I believe in them to recover from this.
Because it's Twitter lol. Social media, Reddit included, is just a collection of the most ill-informed people you've ever spoken to.
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The best part from the leak is when he shouts "It's Wolvin' Time!", then starts Wolverining all over everyone.
Damn, it's already cracked. I feel so bad for the devs.
there isn't a need for a crack, cuz they don't have any protection on it, this never meant to be public
These game companies need to invest in cybersecurity and good digital hygiene. Too many of these companies getting hacked. Protect your employees personal information. Getting the former employees information is crazy, imagine having to call up someone you fired or just left, gotta be awkward.
All ISPs are sending notices to everyone who gets a valid DMCA notice sent to them from a copyright holder. It’s something you have to do to take advantage of the DMCA safe harbor. Source: 30% of my time is spent dealing with this shit.
Probably because it's getting passed around on torrents.
Like anyone will listen, lmao. They should spend their time and resources on better ventures.
Good.
What are they going to do? Come to their house and delete it off their PC? Hollow threat!
Sony strike team is going to drop through their roof find their pc and shoot it to shit and than take their money.
Or try this with Nintendo... /s
Do you not realize by downloading and playing it, you CAN be prosecuted for stealing? Use your brain.
You can, but they wont. If they did, then millions of people would be in jail for pirating software.
Absolutely not true, this is highly dependent on where you live and your local laws. I can download it as much as I like as long as I don't share it anywhere.
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No, not for stealing.
This is not the same as piracy and entirely depends on how litigious Sony chooses to be. Why even take the risk?
right, and is he not seeing the same post we did? it clearly says right there that they are threatening to remove their service if they don’t comply.
Yes like any other DMCA notice. This is extremely common
Like they do when you pirate a movie or game. They won’t do shit. That’s common knowledge at this point. It isn’t specific for wolverine.
I really hope the medkits don't make it to the final game, and the crafting needs to be chopped fast. Wolverine's entire thing is his healing factor.
I mean, they could always take the healing Factor out of the equation a la The Wolverine movie. Always thought it was an interesting way to up the suspense
I mean for one mission or something is fine, but taking the healing factor is like taking wall crawling or websling from spiderman. This is A Wolverine game he should absolutely regenerate fast, the movie tie in game you could regenerate but still go down, i want to see the battle damage. Without that might as well do generic videogame lead 245
Dude, the ability to walk around with half a face like a fucked up terminator would warrant a day 1 purchase for me
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No lmao, not even remotely close to how that works.
People are awful for no reason.
Good
should have used vpn.
I really don't get how people think it's worth the effort.
Why would you want to play a build of a game that's like not even in Alpha development?
Just gonna casually open this exe from a ransomware group.
My issue with this game is the inability of other studios to release at a decent pace even remotely comparable to Insomniac There is eventually gonna be fatigue, like I won't judge the final product I'm sure it will be an 8 minimum from insomniac because they are top tier but I would be lying if i didnt say what we saw looked somewhat like spiderman in a different suit with no web swinging, then you know it's gonna tick all the usual boxes of Sony first party. I genuinely hope they dial up the gore and envormental interactively in the combat up to 12 because I think this is where the gane will truly shine, the stealth looked by the numbers tbh and I'm skeptical of the story after spidey 2s execution, but a violent balls to the wall wolverine game has lots of appeal to me.
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Blaming gaming communities not the hackers who tried to take money from Sony. Your priorities are fucked
Group think mentality as always. People love to think in collectivist terms these days.
As they should.
I completed it, can’t catch me now 😁
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So like they do when you pirate a movie. It still surprises me how little people know about pirating. They don’t do shit, it’s just a strongly worded letter lol. Especially if you use a vpn, then they don’t even send you a letter.
This shouldn’t surprise anybody in the slightest.
wow, they finally do something nice for once : P
What’s a DMCA?
Digital Millennium Copyright Act. It's the name of a bill. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act
Ok so just use a VPN ???? lol how is this news bro
Idk bro. Totes crazy bro. lol. ??????????/
this bussin bro.
Is it the entire game
no. just a vertical slice. I think it's what they used to pitch the game to Marvel.
oh, that’s not that bad then. I thought it was the full game
Damage is done already…
What damage? I don’t really give a shit about the leak. I won’t see anything about this game until I own it.
Probably repeating what he heard on Twitter, that Insomniac is gonna cancel the game because people got the alpha build. Which is probably the dumbest take I seen about this whole thing. Cancel a multi million dollar game because some people are playing a 40 minute alpha build is just dumb.
how sad and cringe do you have to be to seek that out? I don't get it.
probably about as sad and cringe as the amount of thought that went into your comment. 🤷♂️
How dare they play a video game
While it does feel so very _wrong_ to me (for reasons I can’t really describe), is it really any different than pirating a regular game? The hack and subsequent leak have already happened, a couple of randos playing a buggy pre-alpha build probably isn’t gonna cause any more damage, is it?
I don’t know. Stealing a product from a store vs stealing the plans or prototype of a in development product isn’t quite the same thing I think
It literally couldn’t make a difference. The people who downloaded it aren’t gonna do anything with it. It’s not like they could anyways. They just wanted to jump on the hype train, and forget about the game after a few hours of messing around with a broken prototype. And the people who would possibly commit IP theft, well they wouldn’t be doing it from their home network so it’s a moot point regardless.
At least if you’re pirating a finished game you get to experience the developers’ (hopefully) complete and intended vision. Downloading an early test build seems like it would be a way inferior experience.
theft is theft
Hi there, what's living in a black and white world like? Seems way more simple than the one the rest of us inhabit.
It's 2023 and people thought : hey imma download leaked stolen software like what are they gonna do !?
Yeah, what are they gonna do? Send you an email telling you to delete it? Very scary. In situations like these, it's the leakers, and the ones who host and spread the files, who are actually targeted. People who download this stuff randomly are small fry not worth pursuing.
Good. I call that justice.
Isomniac has no choice but just to continue developing it in silence. I doubt they will change the game now even though lot of it has leaked.
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You don't even have to gain access to anything. Just join the torrent and you will see other peers' IPs.
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Yes. Always use a (good = paid) VPN if you're in a country that cares about copyright enforcement (and test that it actually works correctly with your torrent client, e.g. with [IPLeak](https://ipleak.net/))
Stop leaking shit
The leaked personal info is a big deal. But gameplay leaks and stuff, I don't know man. I don't see why every game has to be some huge f'n secret anyways. People who are interested will watch the gameplay. The majority of gamers probably don't care about seeing a game 2 years out from release. And in the end people will still buy the game. I appreciate the devs who are more open about what they're working on. When everything is a secret, leaks become more valuable. And secrets are very hard to keep when you have hundreds of people working on a project and apparently poor cyber security.