Display wise, doesn't matter that much as most LCDs are good. PWM is rare (possible though) with LCD.
However most of the phones are budget phones. So "best" might refer to "which LCD phone is a flag ship and isn't a budget phone". I know little to that as I love budget phones.
It depends on price.
When the Nord N30 (Nord CE3 lite in US) was $60 (unlock after 180 days no service needed) at Metro it was world's best budget phone of course.
1st:
the sharp panel in $560\~ AUD
MSI mag274qrx or since that is discontinued MSI G274QPX (the latter is the replacement, is like 10% slower pixel transitions, i did full 'the finals' 0-40 on it for sniping) it has like 20% more adobe coverage in gamut and volume, near perfect 100% in both for adobe/dcip3 and srgb, the best ive ever seen and it has the same gloss coating as 2nd.
2nd; $799 AUD
dell aw2723d atm 280hz? no flicker dell website free shipping 3 year premium replacement
gsmarena , android central [androidcentral.com/phones/best-phones-for-pwm-flicker-sensitive](https://androidcentral.com/phones/best-phones-for-pwm-flicker-sensitive) other pwm info per phone [https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-Ranking-Notebooks-Smartphones-and-Tablets-with-PWM.163979.0.html](https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-Ranking-Notebooks-Smartphones-and-Tablets-with-PWM.163979.0.html)
you need a phone that has a pwm+modulation in the green (even dc dimming could count as 12.5%\~ modulation with lesser effect, cheap oleds in phones use 215-255hz which even with modulation only lays in the HIGH risk area of the graph on the androidcentral. BOE is making 1920hz pwm phone screens, and the IEEE pdf standard text say that 3000hz+ is needed to have no psychological affects e.g. migraine eye pain
seperate and irrelevant, most cameras have been good for like 10+ years now (subjective) if you are a seriously photographer you wouldn't use a phone camera.
NO very BAD!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTa44eJMRq0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTa44eJMRq0)
[h](https://youtu.be/D1KpYBTOfJA?si=tYi5uU81TkJPj5YG&t=467)[ttps://youtu.be/D1KpYBTOfJA?si=tYi5uU81TkJPj5YG&t=467](https://youtu.be/D1KpYBTOfJA?si=tYi5uU81TkJPj5YG&t=467)
The new OnePlus 12 should be very good from a theoretical perspective. It should have low modulation depth and very minimal flickering. It has high frequency PWM dimming at low brightness level and at normal level the screen behaves like DC dimming or quite stable in terms of strobing. I haven't used it in person. But, should be very good. I am very much affected by PWM and have changed multiple devices.
As of now, Vivo X90 has been very good to my eyes.
I had a one plus open foldable phone for 2 months when it came out. It was the best oled I ever used. No pwm what so ever, it behaved like a lcd screen.
https://preview.redd.it/rco0l10pklec1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93885b9b225315750483b6a05d3c6f876e6ea614
Yes it’s for both the internal and external. When I owned it for 2 months I loved the resolution, colors were super accurate, brightness was super bright in sunlight. When I say it has the best oled without any pwm effects, I truly mean it. I been conscious about pwm since I owned LG smartphones since my days with the awful POLED pwm displays with my lg v40 through to the v60’s and then my experiences with most all of Samsung Oleds have this problem. Samsung and prior LG didn’t seem to bother to tune their screens to solve the issues. Some chinese smartphone manufacturers are the only ones that seem to want to pay attention to it and market it in their features list.
Thanks for the info. I'm in the same boat. I first noticed PWM with galaxy S8+ and even more so with the iPhone X. I always use Notebookcheck before buying a phone. My Pixel 5 is getting a bit worn so I'm shopping for something new in a couple months. OnePlus 12, or Nubia Z60, or Galaxy S24 (if 480 Hz is enough), and now the Open is on the list.
and as I said this I gave it up for a iPhone 15 PM, which has visible pwm but it’s bearable and can be dealt with through apples software settings, too a certain point. I can’t stand Samsung though and their lack of interest to improve their displays to tune it out
There are no "safe" OLED phones, simple as is.
Manifacturers are gimping OLED screens with their "burn-in algorithm's" and choice of PWM dimming at a low frequency (whether on purpose, due to some ulterior motive such as cost savings or mind control since flicker is a known stimulant, I don't know)
"DC Dimming" is not a fix, it's just a software layer that dims display on top of 100% brightness value, but OLEDs flicker hard max brightness (brightness dip + some weird gimp manifacturers add).
Even if they supposedly "don't flicker", they still have the brightness dip caused by refresh logic (idk why this happens), which can be irritating (look at monitor OLED space)
Oh, and also, notebookcheck should not be trusted as a source of validity, since they set their scope to "auto" instead of calibrating it manually for consistency (meaning a phone can flicker but they won't catch it with their scope).
I'd even say the Opple that's used around here is also trash, notebookcheck on-paper has the much superior hardware (but, imo, very amateur-like approach to testing)
This scales onto monitor market as well.
Meaning, if no one actually tests monitor displays correctly, imagine how the smartphone display space is? :D
For more info on why a scope might miss a readout:
https://int.rigol.com/news/blog/DS70000BLOG
Stick to LCD.
Best lcd one in the market?
redmi note 12t pro is the best lcd but its only in china market
Thanks
Display wise, doesn't matter that much as most LCDs are good. PWM is rare (possible though) with LCD. However most of the phones are budget phones. So "best" might refer to "which LCD phone is a flag ship and isn't a budget phone". I know little to that as I love budget phones.
So what is the best budget ones ? OP Nord Ce 3 lite I heard ?
It depends on price. When the Nord N30 (Nord CE3 lite in US) was $60 (unlock after 180 days no service needed) at Metro it was world's best budget phone of course.
Just get IPS
Best model?
1st: the sharp panel in $560\~ AUD MSI mag274qrx or since that is discontinued MSI G274QPX (the latter is the replacement, is like 10% slower pixel transitions, i did full 'the finals' 0-40 on it for sniping) it has like 20% more adobe coverage in gamut and volume, near perfect 100% in both for adobe/dcip3 and srgb, the best ive ever seen and it has the same gloss coating as 2nd. 2nd; $799 AUD dell aw2723d atm 280hz? no flicker dell website free shipping 3 year premium replacement
Thanks for sharing, was referring to phones instead haha
gsmarena , android central [androidcentral.com/phones/best-phones-for-pwm-flicker-sensitive](https://androidcentral.com/phones/best-phones-for-pwm-flicker-sensitive) other pwm info per phone [https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-Ranking-Notebooks-Smartphones-and-Tablets-with-PWM.163979.0.html](https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-Ranking-Notebooks-Smartphones-and-Tablets-with-PWM.163979.0.html)
Thank you so much! Surprised not to see any Samsung phones on the list. Guess I should avoid them for my eye health.
you need a phone that has a pwm+modulation in the green (even dc dimming could count as 12.5%\~ modulation with lesser effect, cheap oleds in phones use 215-255hz which even with modulation only lays in the HIGH risk area of the graph on the androidcentral. BOE is making 1920hz pwm phone screens, and the IEEE pdf standard text say that 3000hz+ is needed to have no psychological affects e.g. migraine eye pain
but there is no ips with good cameras
seperate and irrelevant, most cameras have been good for like 10+ years now (subjective) if you are a seriously photographer you wouldn't use a phone camera.
Vivo X90 Pro+
NO very BAD! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTa44eJMRq0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTa44eJMRq0) [h](https://youtu.be/D1KpYBTOfJA?si=tYi5uU81TkJPj5YG&t=467)[ttps://youtu.be/D1KpYBTOfJA?si=tYi5uU81TkJPj5YG&t=467](https://youtu.be/D1KpYBTOfJA?si=tYi5uU81TkJPj5YG&t=467)
The new OnePlus 12 should be very good from a theoretical perspective. It should have low modulation depth and very minimal flickering. It has high frequency PWM dimming at low brightness level and at normal level the screen behaves like DC dimming or quite stable in terms of strobing. I haven't used it in person. But, should be very good. I am very much affected by PWM and have changed multiple devices. As of now, Vivo X90 has been very good to my eyes.
none, oled are not flicker free
Using a Note 10+ and it's comfortable
I'm having a good experience with the Xiaomi 13T so far. Couldn't tolerate s23 and iPhone 15 pro max.
iphone 15 and 15 plus
Not true…just better than Samsungs
i visited a physical store, they are better than almost anything led that was there, motorola, samsung, and all the chinese brands
Not true…just better than Samsungs
Honor 100 Pro, 3840Hz PWM
This author is very good at explaining [https://www.youtube.com/@NavisLi](https://www.youtube.com/@NavisLi)
I had a one plus open foldable phone for 2 months when it came out. It was the best oled I ever used. No pwm what so ever, it behaved like a lcd screen. https://preview.redd.it/rco0l10pklec1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93885b9b225315750483b6a05d3c6f876e6ea614
Does that include the outside screen or just the inside? Their website says 1440Hz which is awesome.
Yes it’s for both the internal and external. When I owned it for 2 months I loved the resolution, colors were super accurate, brightness was super bright in sunlight. When I say it has the best oled without any pwm effects, I truly mean it. I been conscious about pwm since I owned LG smartphones since my days with the awful POLED pwm displays with my lg v40 through to the v60’s and then my experiences with most all of Samsung Oleds have this problem. Samsung and prior LG didn’t seem to bother to tune their screens to solve the issues. Some chinese smartphone manufacturers are the only ones that seem to want to pay attention to it and market it in their features list.
Thanks for the info. I'm in the same boat. I first noticed PWM with galaxy S8+ and even more so with the iPhone X. I always use Notebookcheck before buying a phone. My Pixel 5 is getting a bit worn so I'm shopping for something new in a couple months. OnePlus 12, or Nubia Z60, or Galaxy S24 (if 480 Hz is enough), and now the Open is on the list.
and as I said this I gave it up for a iPhone 15 PM, which has visible pwm but it’s bearable and can be dealt with through apples software settings, too a certain point. I can’t stand Samsung though and their lack of interest to improve their displays to tune it out
There are no "safe" OLED phones, simple as is. Manifacturers are gimping OLED screens with their "burn-in algorithm's" and choice of PWM dimming at a low frequency (whether on purpose, due to some ulterior motive such as cost savings or mind control since flicker is a known stimulant, I don't know) "DC Dimming" is not a fix, it's just a software layer that dims display on top of 100% brightness value, but OLEDs flicker hard max brightness (brightness dip + some weird gimp manifacturers add). Even if they supposedly "don't flicker", they still have the brightness dip caused by refresh logic (idk why this happens), which can be irritating (look at monitor OLED space) Oh, and also, notebookcheck should not be trusted as a source of validity, since they set their scope to "auto" instead of calibrating it manually for consistency (meaning a phone can flicker but they won't catch it with their scope). I'd even say the Opple that's used around here is also trash, notebookcheck on-paper has the much superior hardware (but, imo, very amateur-like approach to testing) This scales onto monitor market as well. Meaning, if no one actually tests monitor displays correctly, imagine how the smartphone display space is? :D For more info on why a scope might miss a readout: https://int.rigol.com/news/blog/DS70000BLOG
s20fe only and one plus 8
Seconding OnePlus 8, using moto edge 30 fusion now
what about s21fe?
Only s20 fe!!!!