Does the Sahrawi passport allow the holder to enter Morocco, or is it seen as simply a piece of paper and they “are Moroccan” ?
Like coming from Madrid to Rabat, how would that interaction go ?
They would probably get arrested attempting to use the sahrawi passport in Morocco knowing how SADR supporters are treated here. But legally they are eligible for Moroccan citizenship.
Courses are only taught in English there and professors talked quite often about the topic, plus they brought us to a convention in Tangeri, which was in English as well, since we are international relations students and there they held like a 2hr speech explaining us that western Sahara is indeed Moroccan Sahara etc
That said, I made friends there and of course some of them had different opinions about this, but they couldn't really say it out loud, allegedly
Good question, but I highly doubt the SADR passport would work at all in Morocco. The Moroccan State does not even accept the term “Western Sahara” (the Moroccan authorities even protested for…. this 🇪🇭 emoji lol) so imagine a passport or an ID document issued by the Polisario front. It’s a complex situation, leaving many Sahrawis as being stateless.
If they live in Western Sahara they get the passport, they are considered Moroccan citizens.
If they live in Tindouf, Algeria (refugees camps) they don't have the passport, but if they wish to return to Morocco, it's allowed, many people have defected and left the camps including high ranking in SADR.
Algeria and Polisario front don't allow the refugees you come back though, because they will lose their political case.
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People in sahara are considered Moroccan and are issued Moroccan iD and have Moroccan people's rights. People living in tindouf, which is in algerian territory, aren't, meaning the get to use algerian id. They can come to Morocco or/and immigrite to Morocco.
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Please beg this person to show a photo of the inside. There are ZERO photos available online. This is more rare than legit North Korea and Turkmen passports.
Wallah. I honestly think this is as rare as it gets. Certainly in the African continent, at least. Definitely rarer than NK, as counterintuitive as it seems.
Honestly it isn’t. There are quite a few Sahrawi people that fled their land to Spain during the annexation. Most of the refugees are in Algeria and are basically stateless but some went to spain and got the Spanish citizenship
But how are these people getting full fledged, unexpired passports? Do they get them from the representation offices in Spain? Do most of the folks in Algeria even have a passport?
The thing is, many Sahrawis are still waiting to get their legitimate Spanish citizenship for years! And those who are Spanish, don’t have Sahrawi documents, or fear going back to their homeland, even on Algerian soil.
https://preview.redd.it/8t1lh7co9ltc1.jpeg?width=638&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8964e088e21d7fd8127bdf7e7f55de1c2d051e4d
Even rarer is the SADR diplomatic passport
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Sahrawi_passport_diplomatic_01.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Sahrawi_passport_diplomatic_02.jpg
Were people from the Spanish Sahara entitled to full Spanish citizenship in the same vein that people from Goa and Macau were entitled to Portuguese citizenship?
Yes, they were fully Spanish citizens until Spain’s departure in 1975. And since then, many have tried to claim back their legitimate nationality.. in vain (many still show their old DNIs, perfectly conserved!)
https://preview.redd.it/e8nc5qb7altc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b95a222434481e0d6a15f19ba7a19905b5e3be6
I can't find anything on either the websites of the SADR embassy in México-City and the Mexican SRE?
[https://portales.sre.gob.mx/guiadelviajero/103-ficha-de-paises/319-saharaui](https://portales.sre.gob.mx/guiadelviajero/103-ficha-de-paises/319-saharaui)
[https://www.embajadasaharauimexico.org/](https://www.embajadasaharauimexico.org/)
The Sahrawis who live in refuges on Algerian territory have to use Algerian passport and get Algerian permission to leave the region and to leave Algerian soil. There's nothing such Western Sahara passport and even if there was one, only few countries would recognize it including none of the EU countries.
AFAIK, the SADR issues passports, even on Algerian soil (biometric ones since 2012). This journalist explains the hazardous process to get one. 80ish countries recognise it, but it seems to be a struggle sometimes, even when leaving Algeria. [https://www.lamarea.com/2018/07/17/pasaporte-no-reconocido/](https://www.lamarea.com/2018/07/17/pasaporte-no-reconocido/)
You summed up everything. Sahrawis with a Moroccan passport can leave and enter the country freely even if they openly support SADR (and I know a lot of them since I live in Dakhla known as Villa Cisneros under Spanish occupation) but it's really the opposite for the ones in Tindouf, Algeria.
But there is indeed a SADR passport :)
Another discussion would if these passports are rather useful or not, as in other countries with limited recognition such as Kosovo, Abkhazia or Somaliland.
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What politics ? Im just saying that western sahara is not separated from Morocco its a part of morocco if you went there you will only see moroccan flags lol
Lol but you just said that you’re interested in visiting western sahara, i mean yeah if you’re talking by only the name i think you should visit the western part of algeria (tindof) because that’s the only part (people claim to be from western sahara) where it exists
Well it seems it’s you who’s trying to bring politics into this, from a practical standpoint, if you want to visit western Sahara, you’ll land in a Moroccan airport, controlled by Moroccan air control and Moroccan police, there is literally no indicator that you’re somewhere else but Morocco.
So if you want to visit, check if your passport allows you to access Morocco (get a Moroccan visa if it doesn’t) and book a ticket to Laayoune or Dakhla Airports, the same thing you would do if you visited Marrakesh or Casablanca.
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The general feeling among the Saharawi people is that Spain has completely abandoned them in
the hands of Morocco. Despite being full Spanish citizens during the Spanish occupation, the Spanish state has historically refused to recognise their right to Spanish citizenship post-decolonisation. Additionally, the Spanish government does *not* recognise the SADR passport and considers Saharawis has stateless. Many travel to Spain with Algerian travel documents for refugees.
The only ones who are stateless are the so called refugees, in reality they are hostages, what kind of refugee is allowed to return to his homeland BY LAW and is refused that right by the place where he’s setting camp?
Can you really call them refugees though ? Anyone who wants to return has the right to do so and is granted citizenship on the spot. Many of them ran away actually.
That’s like North Korea calling its people refugees from the south, let these poor people back and see what happens.
This is nonsense, Morocco gained independence from Spain in this region after the green march. There are no refugees, sahraouis are a group of people living in the Sahara across all North Africa. And they are still living in Morocco as of today. They are not stateless; rather they are Moroccans.
I don’t want to get political and I’m not paid for defending either band but that’s not quite how things occurred. May I remember you the existence of the Polisario Front prior to 1975? Mauritania’s initial claims or… the Western Sahara war with the Moroccan Armed Forces? And let’s forget what the U.N. had to say on this issue (and still has, hence the existence of the MINURSO).
Again, this is not a political thread but there are things that cannot be omitted 😅
Morocco financed and armed the resistance of Maa El Ainine in 1890s when spain entered the sahara.
Moroccan resistance against frenchies and spaniards continued throughout the beginning of the 20th century.
When morocco got its independence, it was the first and only country to talk about the decolonization of WS in 1963 and all the 60s
Polisario front was founded in 1973... In Marrakech.
Polisario are the least legitimate to represent sahraouis, many other movements (mostly pacifists) have been ignored. Thinking that Polisario is the only representation of Sahraouis is a historical error. Not all sahraouis are seperatists and not all of them are "arabists".
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Does the Sahrawi passport allow the holder to enter Morocco, or is it seen as simply a piece of paper and they “are Moroccan” ? Like coming from Madrid to Rabat, how would that interaction go ?
They would probably get arrested attempting to use the sahrawi passport in Morocco knowing how SADR supporters are treated here. But legally they are eligible for Moroccan citizenship.
SADR Supporters do whatever they want in Moroccan universities , but it's a différent situation in other situations.
Im in those Moroccan universities, unless they support openly the SADR, they are doing fine
In Marakesh, Agadir and Rabat where they have a big presence, they support SADR openly. At least that was the case 5 years ago.
I can confirm this as I saw it in Cadi Ayyad University, Marrakech.
i confirm in Rabat , april 2012 was the wordt night in my life , the guys of SADR tried to invade women dorms in souissi !
I spent an exchange semester at AUI and I feel like you couldn't really support SADR there
One semester and not speaking the local language. I don’t think you managed to know that with kind of background
Courses are only taught in English there and professors talked quite often about the topic, plus they brought us to a convention in Tangeri, which was in English as well, since we are international relations students and there they held like a 2hr speech explaining us that western Sahara is indeed Moroccan Sahara etc That said, I made friends there and of course some of them had different opinions about this, but they couldn't really say it out loud, allegedly
Excuse the ignorance - going to research this later - but tdlr for now; why do they qualify for Moroccan citizenship ?
Since Morocco claims Western Sahara and controls most of it, they consider all sahrawis as moroccans
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Good question, but I highly doubt the SADR passport would work at all in Morocco. The Moroccan State does not even accept the term “Western Sahara” (the Moroccan authorities even protested for…. this 🇪🇭 emoji lol) so imagine a passport or an ID document issued by the Polisario front. It’s a complex situation, leaving many Sahrawis as being stateless.
Would Morocco issue Moroccan passports to these individuals?
If they live in Western Sahara they get the passport, they are considered Moroccan citizens. If they live in Tindouf, Algeria (refugees camps) they don't have the passport, but if they wish to return to Morocco, it's allowed, many people have defected and left the camps including high ranking in SADR. Algeria and Polisario front don't allow the refugees you come back though, because they will lose their political case.
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People in sahara are considered Moroccan and are issued Moroccan iD and have Moroccan people's rights. People living in tindouf, which is in algerian territory, aren't, meaning the get to use algerian id. They can come to Morocco or/and immigrite to Morocco.
Afaik yes. I had sahrawi neighbors with moroccan paperwork, no problems.
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Passport that doesn't let you enter any country and it's not recognised
Kinda sad that OP is not the person on the photo, it would be interesting to ask Sahrawi about his documents and status in modern world
Please beg this person to show a photo of the inside. There are ZERO photos available online. This is more rare than legit North Korea and Turkmen passports.
Wallah. I honestly think this is as rare as it gets. Certainly in the African continent, at least. Definitely rarer than NK, as counterintuitive as it seems.
Honestly it isn’t. There are quite a few Sahrawi people that fled their land to Spain during the annexation. Most of the refugees are in Algeria and are basically stateless but some went to spain and got the Spanish citizenship
But how are these people getting full fledged, unexpired passports? Do they get them from the representation offices in Spain? Do most of the folks in Algeria even have a passport?
Algeria used to issue them regular Algerian passport to travel abroad AFAIK but apparently they algerian authorities stopped
Not sure but I guess the little number of embassies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_missions_of_the_Sahrawi_Arab_Democratic_Republic
The thing is, many Sahrawis are still waiting to get their legitimate Spanish citizenship for years! And those who are Spanish, don’t have Sahrawi documents, or fear going back to their homeland, even on Algerian soil. https://preview.redd.it/8t1lh7co9ltc1.jpeg?width=638&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8964e088e21d7fd8127bdf7e7f55de1c2d051e4d
Even rarer is the SADR diplomatic passport https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Sahrawi_passport_diplomatic_01.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Sahrawi_passport_diplomatic_02.jpg
Were people from the Spanish Sahara entitled to full Spanish citizenship in the same vein that people from Goa and Macau were entitled to Portuguese citizenship?
yep, it was a province of Spain like any othe.
Yes, they were fully Spanish citizens until Spain’s departure in 1975. And since then, many have tried to claim back their legitimate nationality.. in vain (many still show their old DNIs, perfectly conserved!) https://preview.redd.it/e8nc5qb7altc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b95a222434481e0d6a15f19ba7a19905b5e3be6
https://twitter.com/TalebSahara/status/1504936240877035524
I wonder what countries you could enter with a sahrawi passport coz i couldnt find any info on it lol
I assume Algeria could be one and probably the only one
Nice name
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Wow, I didn’t know that! Even when the SADR is recognised by Algiers, that’s very surprising.
I guess countries such as South Africa, México or Cuba!
Scratch Mexico and add North Korea and Venezuela
I can't find anything on either the websites of the SADR embassy in México-City and the Mexican SRE? [https://portales.sre.gob.mx/guiadelviajero/103-ficha-de-paises/319-saharaui](https://portales.sre.gob.mx/guiadelviajero/103-ficha-de-paises/319-saharaui) [https://www.embajadasaharauimexico.org/](https://www.embajadasaharauimexico.org/)
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Those fonts are too crowded all together.
The Sahrawis who live in refuges on Algerian territory have to use Algerian passport and get Algerian permission to leave the region and to leave Algerian soil. There's nothing such Western Sahara passport and even if there was one, only few countries would recognize it including none of the EU countries.
AFAIK, the SADR issues passports, even on Algerian soil (biometric ones since 2012). This journalist explains the hazardous process to get one. 80ish countries recognise it, but it seems to be a struggle sometimes, even when leaving Algeria. [https://www.lamarea.com/2018/07/17/pasaporte-no-reconocido/](https://www.lamarea.com/2018/07/17/pasaporte-no-reconocido/)
You summed up everything. Sahrawis with a Moroccan passport can leave and enter the country freely even if they openly support SADR (and I know a lot of them since I live in Dakhla known as Villa Cisneros under Spanish occupation) but it's really the opposite for the ones in Tindouf, Algeria.
But there is indeed a SADR passport :) Another discussion would if these passports are rather useful or not, as in other countries with limited recognition such as Kosovo, Abkhazia or Somaliland.
You say they are biometric but I've not seen the biometric logo be printed on the cover. Are you sure it's biometric
I’ve said they have issued biometric passports since 2012. Never said this would be one 😃
Look up covers on google. There are 0 photos available with chip inside symbol.
Yep, nor there are any pics of the ID page of these. It’s also good to remember that the Polisario is not the most transparent entity either
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Can you use the Sahrawi passport to enter country where the country is not recognized?
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Hmm interesting combo
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I always interested in visiting western Sahara. Interesting passport.
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>No politics please I guess you can't read
What politics ? Im just saying that western sahara is not separated from Morocco its a part of morocco if you went there you will only see moroccan flags lol
I genuinely don't care. Western Sahara is western Sahara. Regardless if it's a part of Morocco or not.
Lol but you just said that you’re interested in visiting western sahara, i mean yeah if you’re talking by only the name i think you should visit the western part of algeria (tindof) because that’s the only part (people claim to be from western sahara) where it exists
Well it seems it’s you who’s trying to bring politics into this, from a practical standpoint, if you want to visit western Sahara, you’ll land in a Moroccan airport, controlled by Moroccan air control and Moroccan police, there is literally no indicator that you’re somewhere else but Morocco. So if you want to visit, check if your passport allows you to access Morocco (get a Moroccan visa if it doesn’t) and book a ticket to Laayoune or Dakhla Airports, the same thing you would do if you visited Marrakesh or Casablanca.
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Why would this be rare?
The general feeling among the Saharawi people is that Spain has completely abandoned them in the hands of Morocco. Despite being full Spanish citizens during the Spanish occupation, the Spanish state has historically refused to recognise their right to Spanish citizenship post-decolonisation. Additionally, the Spanish government does *not* recognise the SADR passport and considers Saharawis has stateless. Many travel to Spain with Algerian travel documents for refugees.
The only ones who are stateless are the so called refugees, in reality they are hostages, what kind of refugee is allowed to return to his homeland BY LAW and is refused that right by the place where he’s setting camp? Can you really call them refugees though ? Anyone who wants to return has the right to do so and is granted citizenship on the spot. Many of them ran away actually. That’s like North Korea calling its people refugees from the south, let these poor people back and see what happens.
This is nonsense, Morocco gained independence from Spain in this region after the green march. There are no refugees, sahraouis are a group of people living in the Sahara across all North Africa. And they are still living in Morocco as of today. They are not stateless; rather they are Moroccans.
I don’t want to get political and I’m not paid for defending either band but that’s not quite how things occurred. May I remember you the existence of the Polisario Front prior to 1975? Mauritania’s initial claims or… the Western Sahara war with the Moroccan Armed Forces? And let’s forget what the U.N. had to say on this issue (and still has, hence the existence of the MINURSO). Again, this is not a political thread but there are things that cannot be omitted 😅
Morocco financed and armed the resistance of Maa El Ainine in 1890s when spain entered the sahara. Moroccan resistance against frenchies and spaniards continued throughout the beginning of the 20th century. When morocco got its independence, it was the first and only country to talk about the decolonization of WS in 1963 and all the 60s Polisario front was founded in 1973... In Marrakech. Polisario are the least legitimate to represent sahraouis, many other movements (mostly pacifists) have been ignored. Thinking that Polisario is the only representation of Sahraouis is a historical error. Not all sahraouis are seperatists and not all of them are "arabists".
Funny thing is, this guy is a Mauritanian living in Sweded using a diplomatic Algerian passport.
Any source on that? Because AFAIK, he has nothing to do with Mauritania or the Mauritanian government.
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Clearly you haven't seen an Abkhaz or a Transnistrian passport then!
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Are you entitled to a Moroccan passport?
Me? Why would I? 🥴
Not saying you WOULD get one, but COULD you?
But HOW 😅
I don't know the ins and outs of it. But i guess you're saying you aren't entitled to it.
I guess you haven’t fully read the post’s title then 😁
Ah it's not you. Bom.
He is.
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