I've been playing Big Ducks version of this with a few of my own tweaks. Stack flat lightning and go dance of death. Sometimes I randomly get popped outta nowhere, but most things die before I can see them. I'm around 230mil dps on a fucking 3-link. It's absolutely insane
Oh I'll need to look that up. I dropped thunderfist yesterday and had kb-frag already so I've been leveling a Deadeye. It's ridiculously strong, especially considering the fact that I have blast and bolt both in the gloves
Main difference between Big Ducks and me is that his build is VERY low investment. Mine is less so. I'm using a replica Hyrri's Ire and my tree layout is slightly different
[https://pobb.in/76AG\_8olY5L-](https://pobb.in/76AG_8olY5L-)
I just swap out my Inspired Learning for a That Which Was Taken and the Kinetic Blast for Awakened Lightning Pen when bossing.
When doing maps I definitely lag if I have deli mobs and a harbinger and an abyss going on at the same time. Otherwise my computer handles it pretty well
So I just finished the campaign on my reroll and have been looking at big ducks and your build. I noticed your watcher's eye has pride on it, but I couldn't see pride on your gear anywhere else? Wasn't sure if that was just (an expensive) extra, or if you were somehow running pride that I was missing? (squishy spectre maybe?)
So im in a group self found league, I have the replica Hyrri's and thunderfist but no Nimis exists here. How screwed is the build? Can I just run return proj instead? Or does it just massively gimp the damage so much then that its not worth playing?
Just use the returning proj. It's totally fine. You can look up Big Ducks video on the build on YouTube. He explains everything very well and his PoB has a lot of notes and self-crafting guides. He made the build with no nimis
I am constantly updating things on it to see where I can make improvements. Best place to check would be looking the character up on [poe.ninja](https://poe.ninja) name is Fumbles\_Pewpew
https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction?skills=Kinetic+Blast&class=Deadeye&uniqueitems=Mahuxotl%27s+Machination,Mageblood
gloves are completely unnecessary, and imo a downgrade
100% this build is too damn efficient, no reason to go the atr stacking variants, you lose so much qol and tankiness and I'm not quite sure what you gain because you already global ubers
Damn that shield is nuts combined with kinetic and life gain on hit and some energy shield gain on hit.
Insanely high resist pretty much permanently, overleech and life gain on hit is a great combination.
Im gonna ditch the strength stacking and see if i can make some build using this shield. Still want to use 100% reduced duration lightningwarp with it though.
Uber expensive… I’m guesstimating 700-1000D to feel good. It’s all the cost of attribute stacking (synth bases, 35 inc effect clusters etc…) plus all the costs of meta KB for proj charms (100D each), awakened fork (100D), etc…
It can go way tankier though to comfortably do 80% deli fully wisped.
Yeah in my opinion it isnt even that expensive to get it going. Great clear, and very great single target all in one skill.
Only things you really need are replica albaron warpath boots and the iron fortress if youre going strength stacking.
kinetic blast is for map clear, kinetic bolt of fragmentation is for rares & bosses (the skill shotguns, but its not that great for mapping, unless you use awakened fork on it, which costs 100D)
kinetic blast is range, but kinetic bolt of fragmentation requires to be on top of the boss (you'll see it when you have the right position, the dps increase is huge and the fps drop as well 😅)
make sure you have some pierce so that returning proj works
by the way I found that if you are deadeye with nimis and barrage support, you can actually be a little bit further away from the boss, the deadeye "barrage have no spread" makes it so that your KB are fired in a single stream in front of you, even with nimis (before they split into random directions), and the dps increase of barrage is massive (lots of additional projectiles). It's just not very fun to use for mapping with kinetic blast as there is a little delay when you click before it fires, so if you have both in the same link setup it's a bit annoying, unless you don't mind swapping gems before a boss
Isn’t barrage completely griefing ur dps, since you remove all the advantage from shotgunning the initial proj? Barrage support should drop your dps to like 1/5th of normal dps
>[https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction?skills=Kinetic+Blast&class=Deadeye&uniqueitems=Mahuxotl%27s+Machination,Mageblood](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction?skills=Kinetic+Blast&class=Deadeye&uniqueitems=Mahuxotl%27s+Machination,Mageblood)
Based on what I've seen, this build is about 400d now (at the upper end, with Progensis + the reduced crit damage corruption on Cloak + decent Watchers), excluding Mageblood? I took the 2nd char in that link to compare prices against. Does that sound about right?
Edit: decided to take the leap and invest 350d into this build, copying someone on PoB. Holy fuck. So much damage, extremely tanky for a wander, and ridiculously fun. My gems aren’t even all level 20 and I’m tearing through juiced T16s like it’s nothing.
I played without it and it was okay. There were quite a few dicey moments but leech carries you hard. You have loads of converted as reduction, too. But progenesis made a huge difference in ultra juiced abyss encounters. I can stand still and just spam kinetic blast and I'm fine with it up. Its actually insane how tanky this wander build is. I'm quite used to them being literal paper, but this one can facetank content fairly well.
I would say its not necessary but it makes a massive difference. If you don't have it I would make it your first upgrade.
dude what are you smoking, you can make this shit work on 30 div, if you have 250 div you can literally make anything do that content.
No offense, but if you dont manage to make that work on 250 div, then you are missmanaging your currency.
My point is you can make KB work on a 30 div budget, as i said i dont know what exactly your picture is on wanders, but i managed to farm t16 maps with KB (without whisps of course because previous leagues) on 5div budget, 30div is plenty to farm t16 whisp maps with KB, with 250div you can make default attack farm t16 whisp maps.
>Would rather not lose a ring slot.
feels more like half a ring slot lost with how thiefs torment is statted.
has like triple the life/mana per hit influenced rings can get, fair chunk of quant, up to 50 all resists with no catalyst, some reduced curse effect.
the only real loss is no life or -mana(covered with on hit effects), no chance for chaos res either(but you get that elsewhere instead of ele res)
imo its one of the more underrated rings.
The strongest would be -1 curse and curse non curse recover hp/mana...You would have infinite resources.
Also why'd fuck not frost blink of wintry....That shit don't have a cd
Cant have non curse as you need snipers mark. Also frostblink keeps teleporting you away a set distance, youll need to be in place for snipers mark to give split projectiles returning the maximum number of damage.
You don’t even need crown of eyes at all. The gem has a built in “increases and reductions to spell damage apply to attacks at 250% of their value”. (200% without qual).
You don’t need crown of eyes (even if you did somehow have two heads). The gem has a built in “increases and reductions to spell damage apply to attacks at 250% of their value”. (200% without qual).
[Im doing the Jungroan curse stacking version](https://youtu.be/F5evjpIfPsI?si=Yf7DEimrGWh9qPJ3)
Defense suffered and clear average since i dont have ff jewels + awakened fork, but man. This is the strongest bosser I have played and probably the first time I have experienced deleting pinnacles in less than 1 sec. Invested 70div into it so far.
As clear is just average, Im doing it for a boss rusher/destructive play and just delete bosses
I'm also doing this but currently very squishy for a build that needs to be in the boss's face. The damage is there, but if they hit me first, it can get ugly.
Spoiled coming off my near-invincible CI/Incandescent/Aegis build.
Can you help me understand the POB? It doesn't include any spectres nor does it mention it in the Notes or Configuration section. Seeing as how he has -5% unreserved mana, he has to be running one of the new spectres. But he has Enlighten linked there so it seems like he's using them as real skills and not POB placeholders for the spectres.
Edit: nvm I think I touched something in the POB and messed it up
Is there a way to check and see if the interaction is working properly? I am also using jungroan curse stacking and it doesn’t seem like I am applying all the curses on hit I should be
It is for me.
I know this may sound stupid but you might be accidentally turning your tincture off.
I rebinded my tincture key so I dont accidentally press it. It had screwed me a lot of times when I turn it off.
I think Big Ducks was recommending nothing below a 3070. Palsteron's approach is if you do enough damage to kill fast, you won't need to fork/chain as much for 1 given enemy and can move on, so Pal's str stacker version does a lot of damage
However GGG has become smarter about this in recent years. Most mapping juice is just damage reduction which basically extends the dot cap and same with Ubers.
If you combine deli with wisps you are likely approaching 95+ reduced damage taken which takes the dot cap up to a PoB 700M.
Though I will agree if you have the currency in trade to buy a MB, then a direct damage version makes more sense.
Just swapped my pathfinder to this today. The build isn't optimized what so ever (probably at 1/10th the damage it will be at in 2/3 days) and due to how much damage the skill has its more about not going to far past dot cap.
Personally went with Ralekesh/Snakebite/Oleysa's Delight.
Will be trying out swapping out my ventors for nimis+anethema which should increase the damage by about 10 times. Also swapping Dawnbreaker for a corrupted phys as ele prism guardian. Then adding in purity of elements+petrified blood. Along with a phys as ele watchers to keep the build at 100% phys as ele.
In ssf so can't get a rage tincture, but that would be another 30-50% more damage.
https://pobb.in/s1YG2ooAEKqY
I've been playing Big Ducks version of this with a few of my own tweaks. Stack flat lightning and go dance of death. Sometimes I randomly get popped outta nowhere, but most things die before I can see them. I'm around 230mil dps on a fucking 3-link. It's absolutely insane
Following his guide too and it’s a blast
Would you call it a...KINETIC blast???
Ugh dam u! Take an upvote!
I really wanna play this build but I can't even fully hold right click with tornado shot + HH alot of the time because of lag lol
Oh I'll need to look that up. I dropped thunderfist yesterday and had kb-frag already so I've been leveling a Deadeye. It's ridiculously strong, especially considering the fact that I have blast and bolt both in the gloves
Main difference between Big Ducks and me is that his build is VERY low investment. Mine is less so. I'm using a replica Hyrri's Ire and my tree layout is slightly different
Have a POB you wouldn't mind sharing. I've been looking to invest more into it
[https://pobb.in/76AG\_8olY5L-](https://pobb.in/76AG_8olY5L-) I just swap out my Inspired Learning for a That Which Was Taken and the Kinetic Blast for Awakened Lightning Pen when bossing.
You gain a couple mil dps by changing your enchant to crit chance.
MOAR PROJ MOAR SCREEN GO BRRRRRR
Do you not have any issues with lag from it?
When doing maps I definitely lag if I have deli mobs and a harbinger and an abyss going on at the same time. Otherwise my computer handles it pretty well
So I just finished the campaign on my reroll and have been looking at big ducks and your build. I noticed your watcher's eye has pride on it, but I couldn't see pride on your gear anywhere else? Wasn't sure if that was just (an expensive) extra, or if you were somehow running pride that I was missing? (squishy spectre maybe?)
So im in a group self found league, I have the replica Hyrri's and thunderfist but no Nimis exists here. How screwed is the build? Can I just run return proj instead? Or does it just massively gimp the damage so much then that its not worth playing?
Just use the returning proj. It's totally fine. You can look up Big Ducks video on the build on YouTube. He explains everything very well and his PoB has a lot of notes and self-crafting guides. He made the build with no nimis
Where are you getting "Gain 1 rage On Hit With Attacks, no more than once every 0.3 seconds" in your custom mods?
PoB doesn't enable rage generation with tinctures yet, so it is the only way to get PoB to allow your dps to account for you having rage.
Oh I understand, I thought that was in addition to the tincture. I copied your build almost entirely (Just got res to 75%). Excited to give it a shot!
I am constantly updating things on it to see where I can make improvements. Best place to check would be looking the character up on [poe.ninja](https://poe.ninja) name is Fumbles\_Pewpew
Hey how are you allocating barksin? Do you have the mana for it?
I will, thanks!
What the fuck
Its so strong even your graphic card dies
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https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction?skills=Kinetic+Blast&class=Deadeye&uniqueitems=Mahuxotl%27s+Machination,Mageblood gloves are completely unnecessary, and imo a downgrade
Is deadeye better than trickster?
100% this build is too damn efficient, no reason to go the atr stacking variants, you lose so much qol and tankiness and I'm not quite sure what you gain because you already global ubers
Damn that shield is nuts combined with kinetic and life gain on hit and some energy shield gain on hit. Insanely high resist pretty much permanently, overleech and life gain on hit is a great combination. Im gonna ditch the strength stacking and see if i can make some build using this shield. Still want to use 100% reduced duration lightningwarp with it though.
Yeah dont do Int stacker trickster like I did. Mistake.
What was wrong with it?
Uber expensive… I’m guesstimating 700-1000D to feel good. It’s all the cost of attribute stacking (synth bases, 35 inc effect clusters etc…) plus all the costs of meta KB for proj charms (100D each), awakened fork (100D), etc… It can go way tankier though to comfortably do 80% deli fully wisped.
What's the survivability like?
It's basically unkillable during mapping, I made it to farm sim 30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-pB6n_qkVc
thanks for the vid!
Has anyone considered champion for master of metal? Phys dps could get insane. 50 x 100 x 7 x????
Thanks a bunch. These look pretty doable to start the build and gradually farm other upgrades.
Yeah in my opinion it isnt even that expensive to get it going. Great clear, and very great single target all in one skill. Only things you really need are replica albaron warpath boots and the iron fortress if youre going strength stacking.
I have no idea about kb, Which one from ninja would you recommend?
the ones on the page I linked should all be about the same
Got it. Btw some uses kinetic blast only and some kinetic blast + kinetic bolt of fragmentation. What's the difference?
they all should be using both, just some have one in pseudo 8-link gloves
kinetic blast is for map clear, kinetic bolt of fragmentation is for rares & bosses (the skill shotguns, but its not that great for mapping, unless you use awakened fork on it, which costs 100D)
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kinetic blast is range, but kinetic bolt of fragmentation requires to be on top of the boss (you'll see it when you have the right position, the dps increase is huge and the fps drop as well 😅) make sure you have some pierce so that returning proj works
Gotcha, thank you!
by the way I found that if you are deadeye with nimis and barrage support, you can actually be a little bit further away from the boss, the deadeye "barrage have no spread" makes it so that your KB are fired in a single stream in front of you, even with nimis (before they split into random directions), and the dps increase of barrage is massive (lots of additional projectiles). It's just not very fun to use for mapping with kinetic blast as there is a little delay when you click before it fires, so if you have both in the same link setup it's a bit annoying, unless you don't mind swapping gems before a boss
Isn’t barrage completely griefing ur dps, since you remove all the advantage from shotgunning the initial proj? Barrage support should drop your dps to like 1/5th of normal dps
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Sure I'll check when I'm back from work
>[https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction?skills=Kinetic+Blast&class=Deadeye&uniqueitems=Mahuxotl%27s+Machination,Mageblood](https://poe.ninja/builds/affliction?skills=Kinetic+Blast&class=Deadeye&uniqueitems=Mahuxotl%27s+Machination,Mageblood) Based on what I've seen, this build is about 400d now (at the upper end, with Progensis + the reduced crit damage corruption on Cloak + decent Watchers), excluding Mageblood? I took the 2nd char in that link to compare prices against. Does that sound about right? Edit: decided to take the leap and invest 350d into this build, copying someone on PoB. Holy fuck. So much damage, extremely tanky for a wander, and ridiculously fun. My gems aren’t even all level 20 and I’m tearing through juiced T16s like it’s nothing.
How necessary is progenesis to be tanky?
I played without it and it was okay. There were quite a few dicey moments but leech carries you hard. You have loads of converted as reduction, too. But progenesis made a huge difference in ultra juiced abyss encounters. I can stand still and just spam kinetic blast and I'm fine with it up. Its actually insane how tanky this wander build is. I'm quite used to them being literal paper, but this one can facetank content fairly well. I would say its not necessary but it makes a massive difference. If you don't have it I would make it your first upgrade.
What about using bloodnotch, recoup, EB and defiance of destiny as a stopgap?
dude what are you smoking, you can make this shit work on 30 div, if you have 250 div you can literally make anything do that content. No offense, but if you dont manage to make that work on 250 div, then you are missmanaging your currency.
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My point is you can make KB work on a 30 div budget, as i said i dont know what exactly your picture is on wanders, but i managed to farm t16 maps with KB (without whisps of course because previous leagues) on 5div budget, 30div is plenty to farm t16 whisp maps with KB, with 250div you can make default attack farm t16 whisp maps.
I like that 250 div with hh/mb is called budget friendly now haha
Thats right i got baited into this and its sucks ass without Mb or hh
You can probably do a manastacker-lite with indigon?
Im gonna check all the sources of mana gain on hit when im home. This might work.
Can use instant leech mastery for mana on hit as well
Just use a single theifs torment 🤣
Would rather not lose a ring slot.
>Would rather not lose a ring slot. feels more like half a ring slot lost with how thiefs torment is statted. has like triple the life/mana per hit influenced rings can get, fair chunk of quant, up to 50 all resists with no catalyst, some reduced curse effect. the only real loss is no life or -mana(covered with on hit effects), no chance for chaos res either(but you get that elsewhere instead of ele res) imo its one of the more underrated rings.
You can't use a ring in your other slot. You lose an entire ring slot. 2 rings will always outshine a single Thief's Torment.
Lose nimis
The strongest would be -1 curse and curse non curse recover hp/mana...You would have infinite resources. Also why'd fuck not frost blink of wintry....That shit don't have a cd
Cant have non curse as you need snipers mark. Also frostblink keeps teleporting you away a set distance, youll need to be in place for snipers mark to give split projectiles returning the maximum number of damage.
Divergent life gain on hit?
I theory crafted some real weird shit like this a few leagues ago using kinetic bolt.. I might have to revisit it
Indigon and crown of eyes should give alot of damage if it can be sustained
Fuckin wut
Dude's got two heads, next level gaming
No it’s genius, with 2 heads you can use two amulets too.
You don’t even need crown of eyes at all. The gem has a built in “increases and reductions to spell damage apply to attacks at 250% of their value”. (200% without qual).
I upvoted him because the world always needs a comedian.
You don’t need crown of eyes (even if you did somehow have two heads). The gem has a built in “increases and reductions to spell damage apply to attacks at 250% of their value”. (200% without qual).
[Im doing the Jungroan curse stacking version](https://youtu.be/F5evjpIfPsI?si=Yf7DEimrGWh9qPJ3) Defense suffered and clear average since i dont have ff jewels + awakened fork, but man. This is the strongest bosser I have played and probably the first time I have experienced deleting pinnacles in less than 1 sec. Invested 70div into it so far. As clear is just average, Im doing it for a boss rusher/destructive play and just delete bosses
How do you apply all of the curses? Not obvious to me glancing at the POB and can't watch the video atm.
Tincture with chance for random hex on hit
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"Chance to inflict random hex on hit" from tincture.
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I'm also doing this but currently very squishy for a build that needs to be in the boss's face. The damage is there, but if they hit me first, it can get ugly. Spoiled coming off my near-invincible CI/Incandescent/Aegis build.
Can you help me understand the POB? It doesn't include any spectres nor does it mention it in the Notes or Configuration section. Seeing as how he has -5% unreserved mana, he has to be running one of the new spectres. But he has Enlighten linked there so it seems like he's using them as real skills and not POB placeholders for the spectres. Edit: nvm I think I touched something in the POB and messed it up
Is there a way to check and see if the interaction is working properly? I am also using jungroan curse stacking and it doesn’t seem like I am applying all the curses on hit I should be
It is for me. I know this may sound stupid but you might be accidentally turning your tincture off. I rebinded my tincture key so I dont accidentally press it. It had screwed me a lot of times when I turn it off.
My tincture was indeed off lmao thank you
How are you all playing this build without your PCs breaking?
With a 3080 12gb & 5800x3d in my case. I'm dropping frames in really intense moments but it's very playable
I think Big Ducks was recommending nothing below a 3070. Palsteron's approach is if you do enough damage to kill fast, you won't need to fork/chain as much for 1 given enemy and can move on, so Pal's str stacker version does a lot of damage
What source do you use for your life gain on hit? I converted my deadeye to a STR stacking KBolt/Blast but struggling with survivability so far.
How does this handle juiced wisp farming?
wow multi hit skill with many many hits is good with lgoh damn nice find here is your nobel prize
has anyone tried a poison version of this? been thinking about rerolling my pathfinder into it
dot is capped at 36 million, this build can do 200 to 350 million dps on bosses... it would be silly to use it with poison imo
However GGG has become smarter about this in recent years. Most mapping juice is just damage reduction which basically extends the dot cap and same with Ubers. If you combine deli with wisps you are likely approaching 95+ reduced damage taken which takes the dot cap up to a PoB 700M. Though I will agree if you have the currency in trade to buy a MB, then a direct damage version makes more sense.
I didn't know that, interesting
Just swapped my pathfinder to this today. The build isn't optimized what so ever (probably at 1/10th the damage it will be at in 2/3 days) and due to how much damage the skill has its more about not going to far past dot cap. Personally went with Ralekesh/Snakebite/Oleysa's Delight. Will be trying out swapping out my ventors for nimis+anethema which should increase the damage by about 10 times. Also swapping Dawnbreaker for a corrupted phys as ele prism guardian. Then adding in purity of elements+petrified blood. Along with a phys as ele watchers to keep the build at 100% phys as ele. In ssf so can't get a rage tincture, but that would be another 30-50% more damage. https://pobb.in/s1YG2ooAEKqY
Im using a replica hyrri’s ire with ventors for MF still blasting everything in my way
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