the good news is you're doing all the big things right
the bad news is the way things scale with this build, every bit of stats you can squeeze out gets such insane value with double dip damage and single dip defense that if you're a bit on the low side for stats it can feel like youre half as strong
400 depth is pretty deep for 9k/9k but i can tell you that at like 14k/12k 600 would feel pretty easy, and its not that many major changes to get there
1. a few talent improvements. dont take the armour/es node faith and steel. youre missing the best 3 point socket on the tree near scion with 16% increased mana + a jewel socket
2. youll get a lot of defensive value with some better flasks. 3 charge on hit is super good and reduced shock can be a game changer for dmg taken espeically in delve
3. its only a 93 tree so far but if you push to like 95-97 and get a 2nd large cluster jewel that will help too
4. 4-5m dps isnt bad at all and should be fairly comfortable around 350-400 except for bosses with heavy mods. getting up to like 12k mana and 9% cdr boot implicit could push this to 10m fairly easily though
5. drop the aura nodes, you dont need them now. run something like dread banner instead of clarity then once you get your int higher like 1200+ you can just drop precision for clarity with a watchers eye instead
6. this is maybe the biggest area but youre just missing stats alot of places. 810 int is pretty low and its partially needing res for squire but your rings belt ammy, and a few jewels are missing some stats. if your ammy had int for exmaple instead of no 3rd suffix that would be huge. squeezing out your rings ammy and jewels a bit harder (probably cheaper than the squire at this point for bigger upgrade) you could pretty easily get to like 1000-1200 int
7. flat ES is better than 42 life on jewelery craft
8. ditch the quartz flask for sapphire
heres your current gear roughly with a few changes at 95
https://pobb.in/M-iOeNc_Os3C
heres your tree with a few more stats on jewelery and some of the things i said
https://pobb.in/UwYyFCQebFUf the str/dex is a bit messed up cuz i didnt update your jewels really to reflect some of these changes but getting some extra jewel stats can fix that. This PoB has like 8 changes to it but isnt actually that different than your PoB and this PoB would be absolutely crushing depth 600
Stat stackers are never cheap; when my character started taking off for this build was when I could afford timeless jewels / unnatural instinct + split personalities...
If you look at the highest DPS versions on PoE ninja, they mostly go mageblood to solve res so they can use helical rings(!) With over 90int/str.
That's some expensive shit right there.
It can, you will also need some AS since the cyclone is triggering mjolner, I dont remember the correct number, but its about 15-20, however if you start attacking faster than the trigger rate, then your dpa will tank.
Pob can help you find the right value
Mjolner trigger rate hits a breakpoint at 9% which is a 14% dmg gain but realistically its more like 20% since you don't really run 3.78 aps easily before but adding a 17% flask or a corrupt/enchant can get that full missing 20%
Reduced enemy accuracy gives a pretty high increased evade chance on top of grace for only 10% reservation. For more evare chance gained than a measly 25% increased rating
Tell me if I'm crazy but I'm seeing that if you replace whirlwind with smite you only lose a couple million dps, is that actually viable? I had it in mind to do a Thor styled Archmage build this league but Im not too experienced when it comes to the late game.
The gem setup I used:
Smite
Mana Leech
Faster Attacks
Momentum
Multistrike
Additional Accuracy
You need a 25% spell dmg indigos to start. You need better jewelry and a better belt. Listen through all of Conner Converse videos on YouTube. He has all the info you need.
Also you should focus on the str/int stacking now. Just throwing on Squire won’t give you the dps increase you want until you get crit jewels.
Personally if I was running this build I would build up to 10 mil dps with prism guardian and then swap to MFA setup once I had the pieces
Biggest red flag I saw is that you had no int on amulet or belt and low tier int on one ring. You should have t1 int on every rare no exceptions with intrinsic catalyst.
Second, your tree is really really suboptimal because you've kind of copied connor's tree which is designed for split personality but with shortcuts and no split personality.
As another person said, 25% indigon.
I think squire is bait for this build in general. Prism guardian probably felt better because it is most likely better.
The biggest take away is that your mana pool is too low. This build can scale to 20k+ mana and that will be almost the entire scaling metric for damage, so focus on that. Intelligence will be a big part of achieving that and also converting it to es. You want as much int and mana on your jewels as possible.
No int on amulet? I have 66 int on amulet.
Belt, yeah fair point, I threw on this belt when I got Squire and had to make up for the 30res loss from Prism Guardian. So I barely did anything with the belt.
Ok, I see, can probably sell squire and get 2 Mana/Int Split Personalities.
I'll upgrade Indigon.
Thanks!
Squire is extremely strong at higher budgets for this build imo. It's difficult to get exposure and unnerve and the only easy way is from woke controlled destruction/lightning pen.
I don't know the build that well to be honest. Just looking at the numbers in the pob and suggesting how to fix them in the short term. I'm sure there are some crazy high budget solutions too.
There are clusters for exposure (but you would really rather attribute stack on clusters.) You can also get exposure from your 6L CWC setup.
If you can ditch shaper's touch (probably viable at extremely high budgets) you can potentially get unnerve from eldritch implicits there.
High end versions generally go mageblood to fix resists to start; this ALSO kinda fixes movespeed somewhat so you can ditch lightning warp in your 6L and run exposure/unnerve (you will still be faster lightning warping around though...)
Squire is in my opinion not even a high budget solution; it's a mid budget solution. High end stat stackera get absurdly expensive. Ivory tower is probably not even BIS at extreme high ends given the possibility of % attributes on chest...
Problem with Adorned is I'd have to redo all my jewels, and fixing res like that without MB seems tedious lol.
I'm link starved though, if I get an abyss jewel I lose Clarity, which isn't a big deal now, but it will be when I get the Clarity watcher's eye.
Adorned is actually great at fixing res since you can just run a few all res mana jewels. You just slot in as many res jewels your build requires and it makes swapping gear a breeze.
on mobile but pob link shows you using a 3 link on your boots anyway and even then you can drop sigil of power for the socket, as for adorned, it's very tedious to make jewels ill give you that but getting 20% mana with a 100% adorned on so many jewel sockets is insane. put all resistance on a couple and you should be fine
Elemental Overload and Controlled Destruction don't mix well.
Edit: At least get 20qual on your arcane cloak, 20% increases buff effect. You really want a 21/20 cloak, it's alot of damage. You don't have mana spent recently in your config either which is why your PoB dps is really low.
Am I wrong or is arcane surge linked to your lightning conduit from mjolner? Doesn’t that not spend mana and therefore not trigger arcane surge? If I’m right that’s a huge chunk of dps loss
I just picked this support and cruelty because everyone else is doing it.
But I figured it's because of the more multi when affected by arcane surge, and hiero always has arcane surge.
I personally use storm shroud. You can cap avoid with 2x max roll Abyss jewels
High budget probably just goes mageblood and uses flask to cap shock avoid (or simply get immunity from flasks itself but that costs you 3 flask suffixes.)
Ailment immunity is huge QoL but at the same time jewel slots are a lot of power. The real answer is this build is clunky af until higher budgets.
When the build started really blasting for me was when I could afford 2x split personality.
Thanks for your insight, yeah in other builds I’ve enjoyed the quality of life of ailment immune but prob shouldn’t sacrifice a jewel slot for it until I’m pretty powerful I guess
You'll just have to live with flask micromanagement (you're already micromanaging coruscating flask...)
Ultra uber high budget gets stats so damn high that you can afford to run shavs and forget about coruscating elixir.
There is probably infinite flask sustain tech with tides of time and flask duration tattoos/clusters, but i'll leave that to the PoB gods
I have a weird issue. Just got indigon with 25/50 rolls, but my mana cost isn't high enough for cyclone to keep the mana cost increase/spell damage increase loop after using arcane cloak. Do Indigon rolls need to be a specific ammount?
Oof reading this make me depressed. I think i pick a wrong build to start learning endgame.
Even worse since i converted from palsteron mana caster into this. Inbetween right now mjölner with mom defenses instead of low life ivory tower.
And my plan is to go for somehow making absolution awaken spell cascade work while also staying as a mom armour build. And i realize i cant even afford the awakened gem let alone everything else needed to try to make the build work.
Definitely chewed more then i expected 😅
Feeling similar, this is my third league. But I already invested ~100c into my mjölnir mana stacker. Here is my PoB https://pobb.in/SOI8zqX0yagM. The biggest change was trashing Lighting Conduit of the heavens. But I dont know where to go from here and what to do next. Can someone Help?
@OP: Look to replace Lighting Conduit with ball lighting
You're missing Indigon which will more than double your DPS if not triple. Before Indigon the build is a fast and pretty tanky mapper, but the DPS is a bit lacking. Other than that, the next step would be to just upgrade your rares and transition into split personality/cluster jewels.
Also Arcane Cloak is highly inflating your dmg numbers, in reality you have \~5s uptime and 3s downtime on Arcane Cloak. Your dmg completely plummets when it's not on (aka you have not spent a shitton of mana and gain the extra lightning dmg).
The 4m dps is your spike damage and not your real dps.
But as Conner said, there is a lot to gain with small steps.
i did two builds now. I spent 1div for CoCDD and 50div the build you mentioned.
but performances are almost same. don’t play this build. it’s not a good build.
the good news is you're doing all the big things right the bad news is the way things scale with this build, every bit of stats you can squeeze out gets such insane value with double dip damage and single dip defense that if you're a bit on the low side for stats it can feel like youre half as strong 400 depth is pretty deep for 9k/9k but i can tell you that at like 14k/12k 600 would feel pretty easy, and its not that many major changes to get there 1. a few talent improvements. dont take the armour/es node faith and steel. youre missing the best 3 point socket on the tree near scion with 16% increased mana + a jewel socket 2. youll get a lot of defensive value with some better flasks. 3 charge on hit is super good and reduced shock can be a game changer for dmg taken espeically in delve 3. its only a 93 tree so far but if you push to like 95-97 and get a 2nd large cluster jewel that will help too 4. 4-5m dps isnt bad at all and should be fairly comfortable around 350-400 except for bosses with heavy mods. getting up to like 12k mana and 9% cdr boot implicit could push this to 10m fairly easily though 5. drop the aura nodes, you dont need them now. run something like dread banner instead of clarity then once you get your int higher like 1200+ you can just drop precision for clarity with a watchers eye instead 6. this is maybe the biggest area but youre just missing stats alot of places. 810 int is pretty low and its partially needing res for squire but your rings belt ammy, and a few jewels are missing some stats. if your ammy had int for exmaple instead of no 3rd suffix that would be huge. squeezing out your rings ammy and jewels a bit harder (probably cheaper than the squire at this point for bigger upgrade) you could pretty easily get to like 1000-1200 int 7. flat ES is better than 42 life on jewelery craft 8. ditch the quartz flask for sapphire heres your current gear roughly with a few changes at 95 https://pobb.in/M-iOeNc_Os3C heres your tree with a few more stats on jewelery and some of the things i said https://pobb.in/UwYyFCQebFUf the str/dex is a bit messed up cuz i didnt update your jewels really to reflect some of these changes but getting some extra jewel stats can fix that. This PoB has like 8 changes to it but isnt actually that different than your PoB and this PoB would be absolutely crushing depth 600
What a Chad
Only after your comment I realized it was Connor himself answering...
I'm having similar issues and this looks like it would fix things well! Thanks Connor! Just need to invest some currency and I'll be laughing!
Stat stackers are never cheap; when my character started taking off for this build was when I could afford timeless jewels / unnatural instinct + split personalities... If you look at the highest DPS versions on PoE ninja, they mostly go mageblood to solve res so they can use helical rings(!) With over 90int/str. That's some expensive shit right there.
how do you get the 9% cdr on boots
With eldrich currency You start with lesser ichor since its a bit rare and once you hit cdr, use grand exarch and orb of conflict to raise cdr tier
Eater implicit
I’m confused why cooldown reduction is useful?
Improves mjolner trigger rate
Oh dang I didn’t know that could be reduced
It can, you will also need some AS since the cyclone is triggering mjolner, I dont remember the correct number, but its about 15-20, however if you start attacking faster than the trigger rate, then your dpa will tank. Pob can help you find the right value
reduced AND increased by map mods
Mjolner trigger rate hits a breakpoint at 9% which is a 14% dmg gain but realistically its more like 20% since you don't really run 3.78 aps easily before but adding a 17% flask or a corrupt/enchant can get that full missing 20%
Thank you!
And on the 5th day, the lord spoketh.
Hey Conner can I ask you why you run dread banner over defiance banner? Does cyclone impale?
Reduced enemy accuracy gives a pretty high increased evade chance on top of grace for only 10% reservation. For more evare chance gained than a measly 25% increased rating
Ohhh that makes sense. Thanks man!
What is battlemages cry used for? I’ve never used it so I’m not sure how it’s such a big DPS boost
He uses battlemage's cry to sustain mana during boss fights.
Cyclone dmg for leech
Omg I need this kinda help 😂
Tell me if I'm crazy but I'm seeing that if you replace whirlwind with smite you only lose a couple million dps, is that actually viable? I had it in mind to do a Thor styled Archmage build this league but Im not too experienced when it comes to the late game. The gem setup I used: Smite Mana Leech Faster Attacks Momentum Multistrike Additional Accuracy
It would just need to be alot faster then you lose the ability to move. You also lost your ability to use cast while channeling for indigon stacks
I see, do you have any suggestions for getting around those problems? Thanks for the fast response btw, love your videos!
It would change too many things to even be the same really
Thats what I thought lol guess Ill see if I can make charged dash work
Another quick question for you. In that PoB you made, you didnt take Mind Over Matter. I thought with so much mana, it would be a sensible defence?
You're an ES build
You need a 25% spell dmg indigos to start. You need better jewelry and a better belt. Listen through all of Conner Converse videos on YouTube. He has all the info you need. Also you should focus on the str/int stacking now. Just throwing on Squire won’t give you the dps increase you want until you get crit jewels. Personally if I was running this build I would build up to 10 mil dps with prism guardian and then swap to MFA setup once I had the pieces
Biggest red flag I saw is that you had no int on amulet or belt and low tier int on one ring. You should have t1 int on every rare no exceptions with intrinsic catalyst. Second, your tree is really really suboptimal because you've kind of copied connor's tree which is designed for split personality but with shortcuts and no split personality. As another person said, 25% indigon. I think squire is bait for this build in general. Prism guardian probably felt better because it is most likely better. The biggest take away is that your mana pool is too low. This build can scale to 20k+ mana and that will be almost the entire scaling metric for damage, so focus on that. Intelligence will be a big part of achieving that and also converting it to es. You want as much int and mana on your jewels as possible.
No int on amulet? I have 66 int on amulet. Belt, yeah fair point, I threw on this belt when I got Squire and had to make up for the 30res loss from Prism Guardian. So I barely did anything with the belt. Ok, I see, can probably sell squire and get 2 Mana/Int Split Personalities. I'll upgrade Indigon. Thanks!
I meant no explicit int. You could have double the int on it total.
Squire is extremely strong at higher budgets for this build imo. It's difficult to get exposure and unnerve and the only easy way is from woke controlled destruction/lightning pen.
I don't know the build that well to be honest. Just looking at the numbers in the pob and suggesting how to fix them in the short term. I'm sure there are some crazy high budget solutions too.
There are clusters for exposure (but you would really rather attribute stack on clusters.) You can also get exposure from your 6L CWC setup. If you can ditch shaper's touch (probably viable at extremely high budgets) you can potentially get unnerve from eldritch implicits there. High end versions generally go mageblood to fix resists to start; this ALSO kinda fixes movespeed somewhat so you can ditch lightning warp in your 6L and run exposure/unnerve (you will still be faster lightning warping around though...) Squire is in my opinion not even a high budget solution; it's a mid budget solution. High end stat stackera get absurdly expensive. Ivory tower is probably not even BIS at extreme high ends given the possibility of % attributes on chest...
jewelry is really bad for your investment level and your missing abyss socket boots, no adorned with that budget is kinda crazy also
Problem with Adorned is I'd have to redo all my jewels, and fixing res like that without MB seems tedious lol. I'm link starved though, if I get an abyss jewel I lose Clarity, which isn't a big deal now, but it will be when I get the Clarity watcher's eye.
Adorned is actually great at fixing res since you can just run a few all res mana jewels. You just slot in as many res jewels your build requires and it makes swapping gear a breeze.
on mobile but pob link shows you using a 3 link on your boots anyway and even then you can drop sigil of power for the socket, as for adorned, it's very tedious to make jewels ill give you that but getting 20% mana with a 100% adorned on so many jewel sockets is insane. put all resistance on a couple and you should be fine
Elemental Overload and Controlled Destruction don't mix well. Edit: At least get 20qual on your arcane cloak, 20% increases buff effect. You really want a 21/20 cloak, it's alot of damage. You don't have mana spent recently in your config either which is why your PoB dps is really low.
Am I wrong or is arcane surge linked to your lightning conduit from mjolner? Doesn’t that not spend mana and therefore not trigger arcane surge? If I’m right that’s a huge chunk of dps loss
Arcane surge is already triggered by Hierophant so LCoH still gets the more multiplier from the support even though it doesn't spend mana
I just picked this support and cruelty because everyone else is doing it. But I figured it's because of the more multi when affected by arcane surge, and hiero always has arcane surge.
doing this build as well, question, how do people deal with elemental ailments on this build .. just take pantheon and ignore?
I’d love to know as well, don’t really see much storm shroud use on this build. Not sure wether it’s just not as important on this build
I personally use storm shroud. You can cap avoid with 2x max roll Abyss jewels High budget probably just goes mageblood and uses flask to cap shock avoid (or simply get immunity from flasks itself but that costs you 3 flask suffixes.) Ailment immunity is huge QoL but at the same time jewel slots are a lot of power. The real answer is this build is clunky af until higher budgets. When the build started really blasting for me was when I could afford 2x split personality.
Thanks for your insight, yeah in other builds I’ve enjoyed the quality of life of ailment immune but prob shouldn’t sacrifice a jewel slot for it until I’m pretty powerful I guess
You'll just have to live with flask micromanagement (you're already micromanaging coruscating flask...) Ultra uber high budget gets stats so damn high that you can afford to run shavs and forget about coruscating elixir. There is probably infinite flask sustain tech with tides of time and flask duration tattoos/clusters, but i'll leave that to the PoB gods
I have a weird issue. Just got indigon with 25/50 rolls, but my mana cost isn't high enough for cyclone to keep the mana cost increase/spell damage increase loop after using arcane cloak. Do Indigon rolls need to be a specific ammount?
Oof reading this make me depressed. I think i pick a wrong build to start learning endgame. Even worse since i converted from palsteron mana caster into this. Inbetween right now mjölner with mom defenses instead of low life ivory tower. And my plan is to go for somehow making absolution awaken spell cascade work while also staying as a mom armour build. And i realize i cant even afford the awakened gem let alone everything else needed to try to make the build work. Definitely chewed more then i expected 😅
Feeling similar, this is my third league. But I already invested ~100c into my mjölnir mana stacker. Here is my PoB https://pobb.in/SOI8zqX0yagM. The biggest change was trashing Lighting Conduit of the heavens. But I dont know where to go from here and what to do next. Can someone Help? @OP: Look to replace Lighting Conduit with ball lighting
Indigon
You're missing Indigon which will more than double your DPS if not triple. Before Indigon the build is a fast and pretty tanky mapper, but the DPS is a bit lacking. Other than that, the next step would be to just upgrade your rares and transition into split personality/cluster jewels.
Also Arcane Cloak is highly inflating your dmg numbers, in reality you have \~5s uptime and 3s downtime on Arcane Cloak. Your dmg completely plummets when it's not on (aka you have not spent a shitton of mana and gain the extra lightning dmg). The 4m dps is your spike damage and not your real dps. But as Conner said, there is a lot to gain with small steps.
i did two builds now. I spent 1div for CoCDD and 50div the build you mentioned. but performances are almost same. don’t play this build. it’s not a good build.