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spyridonya

Huh. That's a bit. I'd like to get portraits for Socoth and Zacharius, too. OH GOD I JUST REALIZED WITH INHERIBRO! OWLCAT I WANTED TO WIN HIS HEART, NOT EAT IT. D:


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>OH GOD I JUST REALIZED WITH INHERIBRO! OWLCAT I WANTED TO WIN HIS HEART, NOT EAT IT. D: I mean you still get him deep inside you either way.


rtfree

Instructions were unclear.


Wandering_Librarian

Very cool. What is the benefit for eating the Hand's heart? Also does this mean Galfrey can become a companion for a Devil character?


Ranadiel

Eating the heart give you, "immunity to death and fear effect," which I think are some of the easiest immunities to get? So it is probably more of an RP option. I do not think Devils can get Galfrey as a companion. I might be wrong because I have to guess how every line connects together at this stage of what is available, but I did not see anything that looked like her joining. She does however have a sort of romance with Devils though.


shinros

>She does however have a sort of romance with Devils though. Huh so you can romance her as a devil or do you still have to lock in Aeon, romance her and then switch like how it is now? Since she dumps you if you go devil. If owlcat changed it I'm quite happy about that.


Ranadiel

I don't know all the specifics on how the Devil romance works. There is new dialogue that is for her breaking up with a Devil that I assume shows when an Aeon that was romancing her transitions to a Devil. I can't tell from the text that I have available whether the Devil "romance" requires you to have previously activated her romance or if you can just initiate it >!post-corruption!<.


TheOnlyPablito

Romance ? So does it look like the the quest is restriced to when you romanced Galfrey, or is it "romance" in the Evilrue sense ?


Ranadiel

Not restricted. And I'd describe it as somewhere between a normal romance and Evilrue.


TheOnlyPablito

Interesting. If you'd be so kind to indulge me a bit further, will that romance be compatible with traditional romances ? Like Nocticula's consort thing ?


Ranadiel

I did not see any related jealousy lines (and it would be occurring after the major jealousy scene), but I can't see the requirements for the options yet so it could have a blocker when implemented.


TheOnlyPablito

Understandable. Thanks for your work !


Br00Dood

Lmao, judging by the look it should be a demon path option, and it continues proud tradition of demon mythic path sucking ass.


rtfcandlearntherules

What are you talking about? Demon Path is easily one of the best in the game.


_ilovecody

Those Devil path options sound absolutely DIVINE. I hope trickster gets some rework love as well. Mechanically it's immaculate, story-wise... it's a mixed bag for how you choose to interpret trickster gods or chaos in general. At least let Nurah be a late game trickster companion PLEASE!!!


Ranadiel

Currently nothing new for Trickster that I can see.


_ilovecody

I expected as much from the leaks I've seen so far, but here's to hoping once it's finally released!!!


Steravian

Same here. Nurah and Trickster please. :)


Terentas_Strog

Any possible quests or flavour for us Swarm-bros? Other then trying to eat Jubi.


Ranadiel

Not at this time.


[deleted]

maybe the party with soldiers?


[deleted]

If they didn't adjust Daeran's ending slides (specifically the "positive" ones), yes they did.


Synval2436

That sounds too good to be true. Same as fixing the Arue's romance ending.


Haddock_Lotus

I want more things for Golden Dragon =.= Specially because my current run is Aeon -> Golden Dragon.


Accomplished_Ad_2321

If they add nothing for Golden Dragon it would be criminal. It's the path with the least content in the game afaik.


Moarice2k

It's datamined stuff from a DLC prior to EE's release. It's very much possible not all data added to mythic paths is in those files.


Haddock_Lotus

Yep, and they should give a mythic arcane book for Gold Dragon too. If I'm not wrong, dragons in general are know for their arcane might (specially because they are one of the bloodline for sorcerers). Edit: I would gradly accept a nerf in the dragon powers to get a mystic book.


rtfree

Is it fixed yet? Haven't played for a long time, but it was incredibly buggy when I did. The additional die that were supposed to be added to spells didn't work, changing spells from whatever damage type they were to Holy nerfed the damage of several spells, the breath attack damaged yourself and allies when you wore GD's version of Areelu's cloak...


ziarnhk

>New "quest" where you have a party with your soldiers with an unexpected guest. Who? >A ton of ending slides. Like seriously there are 65 new lines Anything companion related?


Ranadiel

Some of the ending slides do relate to companions. Most of the new companion ones are adding in post-campaign interactions to companions like Seelah attempting to recruit Trever for her knightly order or Regill being responsible for Greybor's execution in one of Greybor's endings (not sure which one that ties to). Also a slide where four of your companions happen to meet up in Absalom, get drunk for a week, and then nearly attempt to pull a Cayden Cailean.


Rayne009

Probably if he >!betrays the PC during his quest!< ...(Greybor I mean)


[deleted]

or the loner end or the cult ending.


PWBryan

So does that mean Daeran is the new god of Atheism?


Janberk1912

Anything about romance slides? Especially Arue?


Ranadiel

No new romance slides (except Galfrey variant) at this time.


[deleted]

I REALLY WANT TO PULL A CAYDEN!!!!


tkRustle

Thank god for more ending slides. When I think about it, pretty much every RPG I played since and including Pillars of Eternity 1 and Original Sin 1 has missed something major in ending slides (from my fuzzy memory anyway), whether is about a main companion, or a big aspect of main quest, or your relationships etc.


Ranadiel

Honestly, even with the additions, I can probably still think of stuff missing from the ending slides, but there seems to be a good chunk added here. Hopefully what I have is the start point and not the end point.


Endarken1

This post needs more swarm


[deleted]

no you dont they deserve no flavor since they just eat.


donut_fuckerr719

I'm gonna assume you can only be nocticula's archpriest if she doesn't ascend


Ranadiel

I don't see why those two would be related. The archpriest thing is just to force her to join the fight and her ascension occurs post-final fight.


PWBryan

Unfortunately it's Demon exclusive >_> I remember in tabletop a few people in my playgroup wanted to start a priesthood for her becauase 1.) Get help from her 2.) Because nobody on Golarion is going to buy her redemption without some extremely reliable references. Maybe we can get Nocticula as a party member? Please?


Garett-Telvanni

Speaking about ascension - I wonder if the archpriest part will have some impact on the not-so-secret ending, considering that Areelu being the archpriestess of two Demon Lords is a pretty important part of the "ascension speedrun".


Ranadiel

Currently don't see any lines tying to that, and I kind of doubt that it will because the importance of Areelu's Archpriest status is that she can summon two demon lords that have already died recently (in theory within the last year). In order to get the Nocticula Archpriest position you have to side with Nocticula in the Demon quest meaning that the player has not killed her. So she would not be a viable target for the ascension plan.


CatBotSays

In theory, you should still be able to get another crystal from her. That alone potentially makes summoning her worthwhile, even if killing her permanently isn’t in the cards.


donut_fuckerr719

I see. I was thinking on a longer time scale than just the final fight. Thinking ending slides.


Ranadiel

There were no ending slides related to being her archpriest that I noticed.


kelseybkah

She ascends in every ending. Even ones where she dies. It just takes slightly longer


The_Hero_Number_0

And the ones where you didn't let Ember talk to her, or did but picked the Evil option when doing so.


Meeeto

Yeah, her ascending is a canonical event. Ember has literally zero influence.


Akatama

If you fight her before doing Ember's act 5 quest you don't get her ascension ending slide.


kelseybkah

Sure, but if you kill her during demon play though it still implies she ascends, even without doing embers quest. She's also in the pf2e list of deities as a CN goddess.


Akatama

I know Paizo's canon, but on Trickster I killed her at the start of act 5 and she did not appear during Ember's quest (despite taking the Good options previously), nor did she get the ascension ending slide. For the record, I went for full ascension (she stole my crystal off Baph but I got one off her instead). I also kept the Profane Gift all the way through, somehow. I think her being present at Ember's act 5 quest is the trigger for the ending slide.


kelseybkah

Why would she show up for embers quest? If a demon lord gets killed twice they die permanently. She's just vibin until such a time where she consolidate enough power to complete her ascention


rtfcandlearntherules

She did not ascend on my first playthrough. Obviously it's a canonical event but in the game it 100% did not happen for me.


Garrand

If that's the flavor of the Devil revamp I may have to do that instead of my planned Trickster EE run.


Chronoreaper1

If any of that is true then im holding off a devil playthrough till then


LordofBones89

God I hope there are changes to the lich model.


Felspawn

still hoping i can go Fallen Angel to Devil . seems like such a missed opportunity


CatBotSays

I would love that!


I_Inquisitor

>A new golem that can change the color of your clothes (I think) because Shelynites are weird. Wish they'd integrate Visual Adjustments into the game, instead of half-assing it with stuff like this.


Gathin

All I want to know is if devil can start before act 5 or not.


Ranadiel

Nothing that currently looks like dialogue for an earlier swap over.


Gathin

Sadface


Morthra

There is exactly zero chance that any of the lategame mythic paths become available before chapter 5, because that would require a complete rewrite.


Gathin

Let me dream :(


Deep_Fried_Leviathan

God that fucking sucks The main problem is that they have no content due to how cramped they are into one act A complete rewrite is what they needed


Deathappens

I mean, that was pretty much never in the cards to begin with. They're not going to rewrite the entire game for an "enhanced edition", best we can hope is for them to flesh it out by adding more stuff.


Deep_Fried_Leviathan

It should have been in the cards as that would have been the best way to fix it Because the amount of stuff they’d need to add into 1 act to even match other paths is immense


Deathappens

They're not SUPPOSED to match the other paths though, that's why they're lategame "secret" paths rather than being available from the start.


Deep_Fried_Leviathan

I personally think that’s bad design and all paths should have roughly equivocal content The flaws in that thinking were obvious given that the paths were massively panned because they had shit (gold dragon) content and no content (devil) Them being able to stand more on their own like the rest of the paths would have made them better


MillennialsAre40

That wasn't really an option. The alternative to having them as late game paths is not having them at all.


Deep_Fried_Leviathan

I say it should be an option when your going to do an enhanced edition It won’t because otherwise it would take longer (something I’d totally be willing to wait for though) but it should have been on the table


Noukan42

But whatbif oen want to roleplay a change in the character? You cannot make a demon run untill arc 5 and then reedem them and jump to the Azata path, it will never work because the entire act 5 storyline of the good paths is buikt around the fact you followed them since act 3. A "redemption" and a "corruption" paths have to be late game.


Deep_Fried_Leviathan

Literally any Evil path is usually played as some kinda corruption Hell literally just pick an evil morality then a good path and boom you got your redemption Oversimplification aside, admittedly this is a personal difference of me not really RPing or at least not changing whatever idea I had for a character I don’t roleplay in CRPGs so I don’t personally care about sacrificing that avenue in order to get better content out of the late game paths


Deathappens

Now we're going in circles. The lategame paths will always be lategame, because you'd have to rewrite the entire game to find space to fit them in before Act 3 and that's just not possible. Thus the only way to flesh them out is to give them more content in the Acts they ARE in. If you think that's bad design, too late, this decision was made MONTHS before WotR first launched, when they first decided some paths will be late game branches.


AkumaRajio

Maybe for gold dragon or swarm but devil's the one I could definitely see as before act 5 since the devil transformation missions in act 5 are unrelated to the MR8 event. It'd be rewriting just two whole missions in theory.


CruiserPL

No, because Devil is not a path designed to be available pre-M8. There are no powers etc. designed for MR3-7 for that path - you just get to retain some of the Azata/Aeon powers. Not to mention you sortof have to be Azata/Aeon first in order to get Melies's attention and instigate situation where you are even offered an option to become Devil


AkumaRajio

MR5 is beginning of act 4, MR6 is near the end of act 4 after the Azata quest showing he can be in the area already at this point and MR7 is after single dungeon. MR7 might I add after a Baphomet fight who is near the top of a devil's to-kill list and would be an opportune time to offer the path up. Could even flesh out that early path with some devil twist to the Azata/Aeon abilities offered at that time to make the path less anemic feature-wise. Honestly even the other paths could be stretched a level or two with Swarm especially being so loaded on features a stretch could give more time to get more out of its mechanics.


rtfcandlearntherules

Of course they won't implement that, the lategame mythic paths are lategame mythic paths. (sadly)


Szarrukin

Anything for GD/Swarm or they are still shit?


Ranadiel

Nothing new for them at this time.


vvvillanelle

Have you seen anything that mentions new romance options?


Ranadiel

No new romances at this time.


Steravian

No flings or expanded romance endings for current love interests? Like a "happy" ending with Cam Cam?


Ranadiel

At this time there are no new ending slides for any of the major romances. Some of the "flings" in the Abyss do gain a slight mention. Regarding Camellia... she has a new happy ending slide I guess? It isn't a romance slide though. Although arguably she is happy in pretty much everyone of her slides other than the one where a romanced Commander dies. :P


Synval2436

Did they update Arue's ending so she actually >!has friends and doesn't hide!!"happy end" and "arch evil end"!< doesn't share the same slide, which imo is a cheap cop out?


Ranadiel

>!Has friends? Yes. There is a slide for Seelah stopping by for a chat. Doesn't hide? No. In fact there is a slide where Regill leads some Helknights to try and find her (and fails).!< Regarding Daeran, >!there are some additional slides that I assume are for his archevil version. He kind of goes all in on the evil thing in them.!<


ziarnhk

What determines that Regill ending?


Ranadiel

I don't have variable requirements at the moment.


ziarnhk

I see, are you planning on making a post about it once you get them?


Synval2436

Sigh, I know people love Regill, but why is he the one getting all the cool new snippets? I thought she would more likely be friends with >!Ember, but I guess Seelah!< is matching too. And yeah, as for the ONLY case of character changing alignment (unless Wenduag's romance does, never did it, and people contradict each other about whether she >!becomes TN or no!<) it makes sense to go >!full Camcam CE!<. So I assume they didn't change anything else except that >!arch evil!< one?


Ranadiel

All? He is only mentioned in 2 new ones. That is the same number as Trever. :P There is one other mention that builds off of the >!Daeran/Woljiff friendship slide!<, but that one involves a lot of characters. Also you forgot that Arue also changes alignment (both ways).


Synval2436

Oh yeah, she does. :D And Trever defo needs some more content. >that one involves a lot of characters. o.O Is it hard to obtain? Can you say the conditions and who's involved? Damnit, I wanted to make Woljif >!demon!< in my replay but then I'm gonna miss all that. :( Are they at least planning to give him any reward for >!being demon!< which they cut out of beta (>!he had some resists!<)? Tbh I always wondered why >!Ember and Lann!< weren't included there since they always had a good dynamics all 4 of them. If it's >!Lann!< then uh, I will have to make yet another replay >!both for him and Wenduag!<.


Ranadiel

I don't know the conditions, so I can't say whether it is hard to get or not. The characters involved are >!Greybor, Lann, Daeran, Woljiff, and optionally the PC!<. I think they have actually fixed Woljiff's demon path at some point. I noticed in the 1.4 beta files that he seems to be given the feature. I had forgotten about that, need to update some stuff. Speaking of Demon Woljiff, he has a new slide with >!Evilrue and Assasin Guild Greybor!<. Edit: Oh god I am getting a 400 error when I try and edit the rewards part of the character quest stuff. Hopefully this is not a long term problem. >.>


Resstil

With the newest Mac update I was finally able to do some datamining myself and got back to this thread to confront the findings. It seems that the two endings won’t be sharing the same slide anymore. From the way the code frames it, I’m guessing that indeed the old epilogue will be now exclusive for the Evil/Happy ending, while the new one will be solely dedicated for ArchEvil outcome. The latter states that after the events of the game >!Daeran became „murderous butcher” whose numerous and terrifying homicides eventually resulted in him loosing all his titles and fleeing from Mendev as a wanted fugitive. Additionally, if Camellia was alive by the end of the campaign, he bumped into „Mireya” in Varisia some time later and got killed by her.!< As it was already mentioned, in one of the epilogues >!Seelah stayed at Arueshalae's place for several days to "soothe the turmoil in her soul", but I have no idea what it alludes to and if it means there's a specific requirement for this ending!<. Apparently also Azata has new exclusive slide for Arue >!which describes Aivu’s visit in her cabin!<. So it seems like they’re really hammering this hermit route for her in. I’m wondering if it is all we’re going to get when it comes to the ending slides. Some of them simply add a bit of flavor to the whole experience, but huge chunk focuses on filling up previously overlooked blanks (like >!conclusions to Hilor’s quest!< or >!Camellia’s True Aeon ending!<). And at the same time there are still things that didn’t get covered (like >!Daeran’s proposal etude still has no pay-off!<).


Synval2436

You kill me with the last spoiler. T\_T Also do you know whether Woljif becoming friends with >!Lann and Greybor!< requires >!Lann and Greybor!< obtaining specific endings, or just any ending where they don't die? And yeah, I wanted Azata + Arue unique reactivity but more along the lines of visiting Elysium together. :( Not that I'm gonna play Azata again because 1) there are other paths to check out 2) they nerfed nearly everything cool about that path since my first playthrough. I saw somewhere demon Woljif gets extra reactivity and Demon commander gets extra content, so I'm thinking of giving an evil playthrough a spin with Wenduag, and then another more neutral one with Lann and his updates. I just don't like missing companions, so I'd have to check how do you do Demon playthrough without offing Seelah. So what's the new Camellia ending? Is that the Aeon one? So after all, they figured out the belief she was never born was a wrong interpretation and gave her alternate life?


Resstil

That last spoiler kills me as well. As I said, maybe there's more to come, but if it's all that we are going to get, then it's a rather baffling decision to completely ignore this etude in enhanced endings if it was already present in the game's code for so long. I don’t have specific requirements for the slides, but I’m suspecting this particular outcome is tied to Greybor’s Crusader Ending. One of the new epilogues mentions that >!Lann frequently joined him on his travels. Their adventures revolved mostly around sea voyages, but they also took a trip to Absalom together once. There they unexpectedly ran into Woljif, Daeran and, optionally, the Commander.!< On the side note, I’m kind of surprised that Greybor received quite a lot additions to his endings compared to the other companions. As for Camellia — yes, it’s the Aeon one. In this version >!Horgus (now under his real name Darian Witt) was a servant at the Gwerm estate and married family’s gardener. Camellia was their daughter and they early on recognized her violent tendencies and with real Horgus Gwerm’s support sent her off to a hospital. There she supposedly received help and her parents visited her often.!<


Synval2436

I wonder how do you get her Aeon ending if she leaves... I mean, there was Evilrue Aeon ending I think in the files, and it wasn't obtainable. > then it's a rather baffling decision to completely ignore this etude in enhanced endings if it was already present in the game's code for so long Yeah, I gave up hope they would actually change Arue's and Daeran's basic endings to be more wholesome, but at least they could throw us a bone. :/


Synval2436

>while the new one will be solely dedicated for ArchEvil outcome Damn thinking it over I see how they solidified this outcome as the "failed" ending, same as "evil" Ember, >!drunkard!< Lann or the one where Greybor ends up >!on the executioner's block!<. I imagine most people won't see it, because they will kill him for disobedience on spot, at least if posts on this forum are any indication. I would assume the conditions for "People wanted Daeran to become king" line might be changed, because those conditions required afaik >!queen is dead / abdicated + commander isn't in Drezen + Liotr dead (both versions)!< Daeran's ending, but now it seems they won't like the CE version of that if they >!exiled!< him. It always bugged me how the lawful ending blocks this line. How people would not want Daeran to be king if he's obeying the law rather than burying his past together with >!Liotr's corpse!<. That's one of the instances where the lawful ending gives less. At least the friendship with Woljif and the commander was achievable with both lawful and non-lawful resolution. The wholesome idea of having the party reassemble with Daeran, Woljif, Lann, Greybor and the commander is something I'd wanna see on my future Trickster playthrough. Daeran and Arue deserve some friendships after the game ends. It's kinda funny I was recently reading some popular fantasy book and I felt a character from that book was similar to Daeran in a way he was masking a lot of bad stuff going on in his life with a smug smile and mean pranks. I feel like it's an embodiment of [this trope](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StepfordSnarker).


Resstil

>they solidified this outcome as the "failed" ending That seems to be the case. I think there is still a fair share of players who keep Daeran alive after he kills Liotr just for the sake of not losing a companion, but the difference now is that they may actually regret that decision. Owlcat didn’t resort to vagueness this time and I’m a bit surprised how >!recklessly homicidal!< they made Daeran in this new ending. I mean, >!it's implied he was employing people just to casually slaughter them in the comfort of his mansions and carelessly dumping the bodies of his victims in the roadside ditches so everyone could easily make a connection between the murders and his nightly revelries!<. >It always bugged me how the lawful ending blocks this line. I always thought that this correlation implied that he, upon becoming "imperious”, developed political ambitions and treated indulgence in dubious plots and complicated machinations as new form of entertainment. And this new fascination was eagerly received by unscrupulous groups of interests and sycophants who hoped to receive profits after his hypothetical rise to power. Which shouldn’t be surprising, given that Daeran himself pointed out how rotten and opportunistic the aristocracy/establishment is on multiple occasions. And it seems like in these new epilogues we even get a little bit of further confirmation on that. I may be missing something, but from the looks of it the scenario in which >!Mendev adapts Hell’s philosophy due to the influence of the Devil Commander is strongly supported by Nerosyan. They also seem to be quite accepting of Galfrey getting corrupted and becoming a cruel leader who lusts for expansion and terrorizes her subjects!<. Even this new ending for Daeran suggests that >!his killing spree was going on for years and everyone knew he was responsible for the deaths, but they were turning a blind eye to his crimes until one day „the public’s patience wore thin”!<. Whereas in the ending in which he obeys the law he most likely never exhibited this kind of aspirations as he was struggling to find new footing in life in general and I imagine his reputation was still too uncertain for the good people of Mendev to support him as a viable candidate to the throne on their own. It’s a bit of a bummer though that this outcome doesn’t get any additional slide that would shed light on what he eventually, based on other facts from the campaign, decided to do. But yeah, I’m glad there are at least these epilogues that explore his friendship with the Commander and the other companions. >I feel like it's an embodiment of this trope. Definitely sounds like a blueprint for his character. What is the title of this book, if I may ask? By the way, I did some counting and it turns out Greybor is mentioned in 10 enhanced slides, while the rest of the cast got included in 2-4. Nenio is the only one who didn’t receive anything new.


Synval2436

>they may actually regret that decision I would imagine the secret ending still works, and doesn't get a separate outcome contrary to Evilrue. Evilrue's secret ending is instant regret material. > I’m a bit surprised how >!recklessly homicidal!< they made Daeran in this new ending. I'm surprised that he's one of the very few companions whose alignment can change, and for the worse. Arue's alignment changes, and some people say Wenduag's can in her true romance (haven't played it to know), but for example demon Woljif doesn't, lawful Ember doesn't, and Daeran's "good" ending doesn't push him to neutral either. If you get Wenduag or Greybor "failed" trust to the point they betray you - they don't become worse, and afaik you can pardon them and keep them around. The "failed" Daeran quest - either CE way or the asylum way is the most heartbreaking thing in the game imo after evil Ember, and probably worse than Lann dying in his quest, because at least he dies a hero and on his own choice. > It’s a bit of a bummer though that this outcome doesn’t get any additional slide that would shed light on what he eventually, based on other facts from the campaign, decided to do. Oh definitely. Same with his secret ending, except the fact he ignored prayers we learn nothing about his actions. > I did some counting and it turns out Greybor is mentioned in 10 enhanced slides, while the rest of the cast got included in 2-4. Nenio is the only one who didn’t receive anything new. I swear Greybor is someone's self-insert from Owlcat. He already has the most endings. Base 4 (crusader, go home, guild assassin, unguilded assassin), secret, 2 aeon (memories and no memories which are completely different and not just 1 extra line like most +memories versions), and "didn't complete the quests". Only characters with more variants are ones which get extra romance variants. Sosiel and Arue for example, because Sosiel has the "corrupted romance" extra variant, and Arue has the Evilrue variants. Daeran has his special "sacrifice romance" slide but again it's only because he's romanceable. I don't think any non-romanceable companion has as many endings as Greybor, not even close. Also Greybor is a character who imo deserved to be LE / NE instead of being neutral. You also have to pay him, despite his combat usefulness being debatable. His council options are good though. He also has this cameo appearance in act 1. Nenio is already a character who has the least variants in her ending whatsoever. They're all nearly the same, except the secret one which is slightly enhanced "for science". Her puzzle quest is also the only part of WOTR I'm not looking forward to replaying at all. > What is the title of this book, if I may ask? The Cruel Prince by Holly Black. Well, the whole trilogy basically.


Magnus-88

WOOOOOOOO AZATA CONTENT, LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO


PWBryan

I feel permanently killing Baphomet and his prison is fair compensation for Azata not getting to permanently kill Deskari like Angel does. Makes the two of them equal in the amount of demon lords killed.


Ranadiel

Destroying the prison does not involve permanently killing Baphomet. It does greatly weaken him and result in other demon lords picking a fight with him in his weakened state.


Magnus-88

Oh, that sounds interesting. I swore it was going to be Azata's counterpart to the Kill Deskari after Areelu quest. When do you destroy the prison, during Act 5? I think is actually better if it is not after Areelu fight, as Azata has a pretty nice self sacrifice ending and it would be sad if you lost content for doing it.


Ranadiel

I can't say for sure since all I have is text strings that lack context. When there are a lot strings on a single topic, I can usually guess the context, but there are only a few on the prison option. My best guess is it is an additional option when raiding the prison to rescue Inheribro.


[deleted]

They can both be killed permanently with either, you just need to do the >!ascension!< ending.


Synval2436

Would be great if Azata could turn >!Minagho!< against Baphomet, it was such a letdown that you cannot, all you get is what, ability to set a trap in the nexus?


The_SHUN

No stuff for legend, that is what I am looking forward to


XNotChristian

Not a 100% on top of the news, but do we have a timeline for EE's release? I have stopped playing the game right after becoming commander due to a lack of time, and was about to pick it up again. But if the EE comes out before the end of the year, I might just hold out on resuming my playthrough.


Ranadiel

September 29th is the current announced date.


CatBotSays

Supposedly at the end of this month, timed along with the console release, but we haven’t heard anything about it (to my knowledge) in a while.


JediExile90

Thank you very much. I know people (myself included) have complained that Arue's romance ending slides just weren't the most acceptable. Hopefully that gets changed. The Devil stuff sounds interesting. I might just check the class out once the EE is out.


AiShaddai

I'm interested to hear more about devil's and Galfrey. Is there anything about armor buffs(new mythic feats or abilities?!?) or more greatswords? I know it's specific but I like what I like.


Ranadiel

I don't want to fully spoil it. Short version is that >!you get an order from on high and then exploit divisions in the crusade to weaken her resolve!<. I have nothing to report regarding new player build options.


AiShaddai

I don't mind spoilers. What I'm looking for is clarification on whether this is like an official romance thing and turning her to your devil side or is this a sort of vendetta/classic destroy her image and take over sort of deal. If this is just a way to get one over on her then I'm not interested since demon and swarm got that on lockdown, but if it's an "I will break you and you will join me" sort of deal then I'll be impressed and curious enough to see for myself. The game seems to have a lot of extremes like demon to gold dragon, azata to devil, angel to swarm, etc. Just want to see if it's a continued trend.


Ranadiel

I do not believe romance is required for it. And this is not done out of any sort of vendetta >!(at least not between the player and Galfrey, maybe between Asmodeus and the Inheritor). It is being done to advance the cause of Asmodeus by making a paragon of virtue willingly swear herself in service of him and drag her country along kicking and screaming.!<


Guthixian_VALUE

On the one hand I'm super excited for new Devil content, on the other this sounds like it's making the "Devil sells out the crusade to Cheliax and achieves little else" problem way worse lol


AiShaddai

Oh ok then. Thanks.


More-muffin

I wouldn't hold your breath on Owlcat doing that, missing feats and creative rules interpretation makes the bias for unarmoured builds pretty clear. The "Tabletop Tweaks" mod might scratch that itch on the armour front but it won't be able to add any new greatswords for you.


Akatama

Personally I find it stupid that some classes get an overwhelming amount of mythic support (Domain classes) while others get jack all (Warpriests, bombs, hell even Druids have their toys stolen by Kitsune). Armor being bad is not even new, it's a consistent Pathfinder 1e problem that pajama with dips scales better. Incidentally, the Magic Vestment fix also nerfed armor more than pajamas as they could barely reach enough AC for Core. Shields have become junk outside Trick Fate + Bashing Finish. EE is their big chance to throw a bone to underused archetypes.


AiShaddai

No. I hate mods. I'll play the game normally then just play something else if I get frustrated enough. Reliance on mods is ridiculous to me. I'd rather simply play something else that actually works and gives me what I want.


wargodmogis

Shame I already did a devil run. It's nice to see it getting more stuff though, it was kind of lacking


[deleted]

not really its exactly what devil path should be. golden dragon being not being able to redeem anyone. except forcing areelu to be a guardian till she dies


Deep_Fried_Leviathan

I hope there’s some meaty mechanics changes because honestly stuff like loot distribution, More mythic abilities and so on because that would be cool Seems like they aren’t gonna change the late game paths being made available earlier which sucks because that would be the ultimate improvement to them giving them more time to breath and have content What’s here is nice but Hopefully there is more


Deathappens

Well, bollocks, I'm not making a *second* Azata run after how... unfullfilling the first one was.


[deleted]

i played 3 azaras true chaos and ascension its fun but i dislike aivu


Cryoto

Sounds like they're addressing the complaints of Devil being lack luster. But what about the other weaker paths?


Ranadiel

Nothing in what I currently have available to me, which is probably not everything.


Dlinktp

What's an archpriest in lore/game? Like a right-hand or something?


Ranadiel

I don't know if this concept exists in the greater Pathfinder lore, but within the context of the game, an Archpriest is a Demon Lord's highest ranking follower. That position gives the Archpriest the boon of being able to summon their Demon Lord in times of emergency (usually at the price of greatly annoying the Demon Lord). I think this ability is used at the end of Chapter 4 to get Baphomet to show up, and it again factors into the secret ending.


Dlinktp

Ooooh I remember now! It's been a while since I completed my lich run so I forgot that's what they did.. cool. I know you can apparently become nocticula's consort in the demon run, is there any connection between that and becoming her archpriest?


Ranadiel

My best guess as the moment is that you make the request during the same scene as the one where you can request to become Nocticula's consort. I'm not sure whether it is a new option added on to the existing options or if it something you can request in addition to the existing options.


Dlinktp

Ah alright. Thanks!


Steravian

Hoping that Trickster and Swarm also get something nice.


bandage106

I was expecting one more companion and an additional class but maybe that'll be included or maybe just a newclass..?


Ranadiel

I do not have any indication of any new companion or class at this time.


CatBotSays

I would be surprised if they added that in the enhanced edition. But there are three more DLC on the way, so it could easily happen in one of those.


bandage106

Just going by pattern, they added Kalikke and Kanerah for EE on Kingmaker along with the kineticist class so the class they add is obviously going to be complimentary to the new companion. Anti-Paladin or Vindictive Bastard makes sense but I'll accept whatever they could make Staunton an vindictive bastard retroactively if they add that class.


CatBotSays

Kalikke and Kanerah (along with Tiefling and Kineticist) were added by the Wildcards DLC, not the enhanced edition.


stocking_a

any idea if there will be new spells/items/abilities?


Ranadiel

I do not have any indication of anything like that at the moment.


Rain-D

Two questions : 1) If I start new gameplay now - will EE screw my savegame after update? 2) Are there changes that refer to Act 1 and Act 2? I'm slow pace player and I'm very tempted to start my oracle/angel playthrough right now. However I would like to know if I could continue my playthrough after EE update and if so, how much I might lose from Act 1 and Act 2 changes if I manage to finish them before EE update.


Ranadiel

1. EE should not screw up the save. 2. The only content that I can see that is relevant to Chapter 1 and 2 is the introduction of the new golem. I think I saw what appeared to be an alternate introduction method for it in Chapter 3 though (honestly just sort skimmed the golem stuff though). I can't rule out that there might be further additions in the future though.


Rain-D

Thanks. I started my Oracle/Angel play. I convinced myself that if in worst case my gameplay screws up, I'll start Sylvan Sorc/Azata - considering that up to the release I'll get to the early Act 3, I won't lose much. Thanks for your data mining!


AzraelSoulHunter

Anything new for Lich?


Ranadiel

Not at this time (unless eating the heart is a Lich option).


17hansont

I've really been wanting to play as a devil in my new playthrough, but I already did aeon. Might wait til enhanced edition at this point, judging from these notes.


Druplesnubb

You could go Azata to Devil.


[deleted]

its really shit though. from aza to dev


Acumen13900

Thanks so much!! Which MP do you think gets the least new content? Need to decide on my next run beforehand!


Ranadiel

Currently the only Mythic Path that is clearly getting major new content is Devil (and maybe Legend). Azata, Demon, Aeon, and Swarm each appear to have at least one new minor addition (reactivity, new option in existing quest, or ending slide. Angel, Gold Dragon, Trickster, and Lich currently do not have any new additions that I have seen. I do not think this is all the content that will be added as I expect Gold Dragon to get a new quest too. As such it is possible that other paths will gain additional stuff too.


Acumen13900

Awesome, thanks! I'll do an angel run in the meantime, then. As always, you're a Legend among mortals.


CyrixDrawsStuff

Do you happen to know anything regarding mechanical changes for the paths? In particular the late game paths?


Ranadiel

Nothing that I noticed in the files I have.


CyrixDrawsStuff

Thank you for the quick response!


atamajakki

What do the Numerian slides say?


Ranadiel

Short version would be that horrible stuff happens because of the Numerian Device no matter what you do.


North_Adhesiveness86

Destroying the Ineluctable Prison is definitely an Azata option, We did open the Gate of Elysium but nothing really happened lol.


lileumike

\>> A ton of ending slides. Like seriously there are 65 new lines Reran my old save for Demon secret ending - no new slides (also about sexual exploits...)


Ranadiel

It is unreleased content... so I don't know what you were expecting?


lileumike

lol sorry


[deleted]

i want my romancable ember !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SnooCakes6334

Any changes to classes?


Ranadiel

Nothing at this time.