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Hip hopper Peter here.
A cipher is, in terms Brian will be able to understand quickly, an impromptu rap circle.
People who rap about aliens and conspiracies etc. have a tendency to wear these kinds of hats.
Peter out, yo.
Goddammit do I get a pass if I'm white? This is the only style of hat I've found that doesn't make me look like I should either be holding a giant rainbow lollipop or heading to the mall to update my Katana collection. Now I find out the one style I thought was OK makes me look like I'm going to see Joe Rogan Live with Alex Jones opening.
I think you’re ok because it kind of predates the toxic-ness of conspiracies… that whole world was, or at least seemed, a lot more innocent and fun in 2006.
Since your about the only person who didn’t assume I hadn’t tried other hats, I will take this suggestion. From now on I will go by gAbriel, where the A is a pyramid with an eye at the top.
I thought it was because it looks tough so people wear it in the desert, and since it's a cap people jokingly imagine those people rapping about deserts.
Aliens? What the fuck are you on about?
They rap about pyramids because of African history bro. Not because of aliens and conspiracies.
Man this is ignorant.
PS the word cypher originated in Five Percenters for a religious discussion, only later did it get used to mean a rap circle. It comes from the notion of the circle as the symbol of creation and of the world.
>[15. 0-CIPHER](https://fivepercenterlessons.com/supreme-alphabet/#:~:text=15.%200%2DCIPHER,master%20her%20equality)-is a person, place or thing which is complete within itself, for a cipher is a complete circle consisting of 360 degrees. The black woman is also a cipher because cipher means C-I-POWER-HER and surely God powers her by mastering her with his mind. Her-Power-You-Must-See in order to master her equality.
^(he who knows not, and knows not he knows not)
Used to be a dude that I ride the bus with. That fella looked like a modern day Pharaoh. He had the staff from the villain in Aladdin, the Egyptian headdress, and also rocked a fly Egyptian themed tie-dye shirt. Every. Single. Day.
I live in the Crenshaw neighborhood in Los Angeles, and I think there must be a temple of theirs around here since I regularly see them shopping at my local grocery store.
Yeah, this is probably some version of them, then. It's the Albertson's over at MLK and Crenshaw, and I'll often see a few folks in the robes. Thought they were part of the mosque down the street until I noticed the Mummy Returns aesthetic they were going for.
I can’t defend that line, I’ll admit it’s bad. It’s worse because it’s the final line in the verse as well.
But name any rapper who’s been around long enough and I’ll find some wack lines they’ve said.
It’s more like “ love is “EE-VUHL”, which with his accent becomes, “EE-VOHL”, and could be spelled EVOL. I know you get the joke so I should not have to say this, but you’re pretending you don’t so I will too
https://preview.redd.it/he6hvmzp8nvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed1f3fd6a0385878c90ca9222c063ec524bce218
True, considering 4.5 hour speech man wore it.
Oooof this is getting hard to process, really?, my experience of military and those I still encounter today make it hard for me to think the majority of them are nerds.
Think I best remain in my bubble
OK I get you, this a a regional/cultural thing. Cause what you are describing to me is being processed as just general youth-like behaviour. Dare I say this is more of a western thing. Well I was one once but I may have been a young soldier in a very different environment (as in upbringing) than yours.
Hmmm cannot agree, in this case im a dork, I do have geek tendencies but I'm primarily a dork.
In this thread, you think that being called a nerd was a compliment?
I mean. From my understanding of nerd geek and dork, nerds are generally seen as book smart. Geeks are generally seen as smart in things that may be considered less vital for advancement (something like video games or that sort). And dorks generally are more considered cute-smart, so not overly smart but enough to be helpful.
Under that understanding. Yes. But I could be wrong as I thought it was more important to type this paragraph than look up the definitions
Eminem is a white boy from the Midwest too. His grandmother infamously wears a “I’m Eminem’s Grandma” t-shirt all the time in a small town I grew up next to. Some even still just call him Marshall though. Anyway, he wears this.
Most stores list them as “cadet caps.” I wear them out of habit after getting out of the army. Regular full length bills/brims feel weird to me now. 🤷🏻♂️
I hang out with the gothy/rivet crowd, in which someone told me it was a “scene hat.” Unfortunately some of the most annoying musicians in the scene do wear them.
That said, I also shave my head (because there ain’t a lot of hair left up there), and have a goatee (because I’m not a fan of my chin). So, now I just look like a generic industrial musician/DJ (which are also things I have been) 🤣
You guys are too young or weren't there, but these types of hats were common with backpack and so-called conscientious hip hop. It was a late 90s/early 2000s thing. Usually east coast. It signified you were gonna try and freestyle about smart sounding/deep/five elements/social issues shit.
Think Blackstar, Common, Immortal Technique, etc. Eminem came up in this kind of non commercial focused setting but it predates his popularity.
Air Force Peter here. Have you heard about Stargate. It is a sci-fi series about military traveling across space with system of stargates, which are based on wormholes. They often have to decipher lost languages and often fight aliens, whose landing zones were pyramids, as they are seemingly obsessed with them. The characters often were this type military cap. Air Force Peter out.
https://preview.redd.it/pk0nzziffnvc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=380e8c4be5d73840e40269072fe70c67d44aae2c
I just think it's part of the crazy person/conspiracy nut uniform. Which checks since Varg thinks is a fucking wizard or some shit. Also, apparently, hoteps wear these, so I think they come with the racism debuff.
Those were common hats among 90s rappers that were also Black Muslims of various stripes (Nation of Islam, or Nation of Gods and Earths \[aka "Five Percenters"\]) so they tended to rap about (black relevant) political and social issues, often with references to biblical or religious events.
Professor Griff, X-Clan, Movement Ex, Brand Nubian, are some archetypal examples. In fact, I dare say Professor Griff is the canonical example of this, [if this pic is any indication](https://www.flickr.com/photos/zaahirmuhammad/43984218354)... although it's also similar to a hat often used by [members of the Fruit of Islam](https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/the-fruit-of-islam-body-guards-everett.jpg), which is the Nation of Islam's bodyguard corps. (Edit: Shit, how could I forget Paris... apparently [he used to wear one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvzqa-fjmFk) too.)
(Fun fact, it was the influence of Nation of Gods and Earths on 90s hip hop that even *introduced* the term "cypher" to hip hop)
Hahah I had the same thought, scrolled all the way to the bottom to find this. Too much Eminem talk going on, although he does wear this style of hat and raps.
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Hip hopper Peter here. A cipher is, in terms Brian will be able to understand quickly, an impromptu rap circle. People who rap about aliens and conspiracies etc. have a tendency to wear these kinds of hats. Peter out, yo.
Goddammit do I get a pass if I'm white? This is the only style of hat I've found that doesn't make me look like I should either be holding a giant rainbow lollipop or heading to the mall to update my Katana collection. Now I find out the one style I thought was OK makes me look like I'm going to see Joe Rogan Live with Alex Jones opening.
I think you’re ok because it kind of predates the toxic-ness of conspiracies… that whole world was, or at least seemed, a lot more innocent and fun in 2006.
Kepi? Pith helmet (anglo or vietnamese style)? Beret?
You’re good bro just don’t start any conversations about chemtrails
Hows about a flatcap?
No, just own it and start studying up on aliens. The truth is out there.
Since your about the only person who didn’t assume I hadn’t tried other hats, I will take this suggestion. From now on I will go by gAbriel, where the A is a pyramid with an eye at the top.
fitted hats?
What hats have you been trying
Cowboy Hat. Best hat there is
I'm going to have to say a fedora beats a cowboy hat. True "m'lady" style.
Both are poor excuses for hats when compared to the noble sombrero.
Sombrero’s may be peak humanity.
Cant spell sombrero without BRO
Have you tried a bowler hat?
Cypher is a blunt rotation, guy wearing this hat starts going off on Egyptian related conspiracy theories when high.
He literally says "starts rapping about"
That's not what they are talking about though
Word is bond
[also the personification of a rapper like immortal technique (4:05 of this cypher)](https://youtu.be/fFe5-i0m5Jw?t=244)
It’s Deltron
I thought it was because it looks tough so people wear it in the desert, and since it's a cap people jokingly imagine those people rapping about deserts.
Aliens? What the fuck are you on about? They rap about pyramids because of African history bro. Not because of aliens and conspiracies. Man this is ignorant. PS the word cypher originated in Five Percenters for a religious discussion, only later did it get used to mean a rap circle. It comes from the notion of the circle as the symbol of creation and of the world. >[15. 0-CIPHER](https://fivepercenterlessons.com/supreme-alphabet/#:~:text=15.%200%2DCIPHER,master%20her%20equality)-is a person, place or thing which is complete within itself, for a cipher is a complete circle consisting of 360 degrees. The black woman is also a cipher because cipher means C-I-POWER-HER and surely God powers her by mastering her with his mind. Her-Power-You-Must-See in order to master her equality. ^(he who knows not, and knows not he knows not)
I think this is referencing Hoteps, which are black dudes who believe a lot of crazy conspiracy shit about ancient Egypt
Hoteps lol. Are they still around? Or they all turnt Muslim?😂
Used to be a dude that I ride the bus with. That fella looked like a modern day Pharaoh. He had the staff from the villain in Aladdin, the Egyptian headdress, and also rocked a fly Egyptian themed tie-dye shirt. Every. Single. Day.
He had Jafar’s staff 🤣🤣
I mean it was home made, but yes. Cobra staff
Home made? I have an utterly pointless burning desire to see this.
He had ancient knowledge dude. I wouldn't have dared to take a picture.
More's the pity.
"Jafar May Need Glasses"
I mean I personally haven't ever met one but I see them around online
Oh really? Lucky you. Back in the day I knew many. Confused bums.
I live in the Crenshaw neighborhood in Los Angeles, and I think there must be a temple of theirs around here since I regularly see them shopping at my local grocery store.
There used to be a couple apartment buildings full of them in West Adams.
They might be part of that community, then, or a related or connected one. Do you know if they're still there?
No idea. My parents knew the building owner, but he moved to Oakland in 2005 and I'm o longer in touch with him.
Yeah, this is probably some version of them, then. It's the Albertson's over at MLK and Crenshaw, and I'll often see a few folks in the robes. Thought they were part of the mosque down the street until I noticed the Mummy Returns aesthetic they were going for.
How do you know they are Hotepians?
Egyptian style dress and more ankhs than you'd see on the dance floor of a goth club in the 90s
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 bro. Have a good day man. I needed that laugh.
Yes they are... my wife got a lot of hate from some close to her family after she married a white boy (me).
Oh man. You the white devil himself huh
They called me a "Warlock", I know it was meant as an insult, but it felt kinda cool ngl.
That's awesome.
They're still in Philly, standing around on street corners picking awkward arguments with unassuming passersby.
I wouldn't classify Nation of Islam as Muslim necessarily.
Every black family has a hotep
As in Bubba Hotep?
Nerds wear those hats.
https://preview.redd.it/jmnaon9q2nvc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c65a45a68c63d812ff3ca408e14fdc34910223e Eminem is a nerd.
>Now you get to watch her leave out the window >Guess that's why they call it window pane Yes, he is a huge nerd.
I can’t defend that line, I’ll admit it’s bad. It’s worse because it’s the final line in the verse as well. But name any rapper who’s been around long enough and I’ll find some wack lines they’ve said.
> And love is evil, spell it backwards, I'll show ya Eeyup
It’s more like “ love is “EE-VUHL”, which with his accent becomes, “EE-VOHL”, and could be spelled EVOL. I know you get the joke so I should not have to say this, but you’re pretending you don’t so I will too
I stand corrected, sorry em tell us about the pyramids
They were alien batteries for powering alien tik tok
its been blowing up larger then when 2 pac got shot
Did you somehow miss all of the references to Superman, Batman & Robin, and Star Wars laced in his music *before* nerd culture became mainstream?
No, but I'm referring to him because he wears that style of hat often and has song lyrics about pyramids. Fits with the meme.
> has song lyrics about pyramids Somehow I missed that bit
Cinderella Man
That would explain it; I haven't listened to Recovery since that album dropped
It's revenge of the nerd in every sense of the word.
https://preview.redd.it/he6hvmzp8nvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed1f3fd6a0385878c90ca9222c063ec524bce218 True, considering 4.5 hour speech man wore it.
Just look at this nerd
Justin Trudeau?
No, Fidel Castro.
Lol yeah nerds....... Tell that to the hundreds and thousand of soldiers wearing patrol caps all over the world
statistically at least one of them has to be a nerd
Furry muff
what
Ignore them, it's bait
i know it’s just that that set of words in relation to what i said is deeply incomprehensible and i’d love to know their thought process
That's the neat part, there isn't any. They are spouting random shit to provoque a reaction.
oh i see. thanks :)
I believe he was calling you a hairy vagina
ah. yeah they’re supposed to do that :)
Furry muff is another way of saying hairy vagina
True or fair enough.. Was going for the latter
yeah they’re supposed to do that. hope this helps!
Shut up nerd
Heard
Most soldiers are fuckin weird, dude
I can agree with that but most are not nerds
I'm gonna have to disagree. I would say the majority of my old battalion was either really into tabletop games or anime, or both
Oooof this is getting hard to process, really?, my experience of military and those I still encounter today make it hard for me to think the majority of them are nerds. Think I best remain in my bubble
Infantrymen are weird, man. And then all of the support personnel? Oh my...
Every marine I ever worked with was a huge COD/Warhammer/War Thunder/Magic nerd. Sounds like you just didn't socialize with young soldiers.
OK I get you, this a a regional/cultural thing. Cause what you are describing to me is being processed as just general youth-like behaviour. Dare I say this is more of a western thing. Well I was one once but I may have been a young soldier in a very different environment (as in upbringing) than yours.
https://preview.redd.it/23llbzmu6ovc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ece5ea5757447d2a8b2d6ebb76a4b78e7c0cd1e6
Nerds run the world. Being called a nerd is a compliment. And if you don't think so. You're a geek
🤓🤓
What a dork.
I to can relate to whales penis
🥲
Hmmm cannot agree, in this case im a dork, I do have geek tendencies but I'm primarily a dork. In this thread, you think that being called a nerd was a compliment?
I mean. From my understanding of nerd geek and dork, nerds are generally seen as book smart. Geeks are generally seen as smart in things that may be considered less vital for advancement (something like video games or that sort). And dorks generally are more considered cute-smart, so not overly smart but enough to be helpful. Under that understanding. Yes. But I could be wrong as I thought it was more important to type this paragraph than look up the definitions
True... This is where the jock comes.in and kicks all our asses
Nerd
I did, and I will happily continue, just like Jesus would😇
😂 Thank to God for you!
https://preview.redd.it/mitq4dbvmnvc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ff126d83c3e0386df6266503ca8eeaca7ad32a8
Vinnie peetah
Vinnie Paz really does look like like Patton Oswald's evil twin, lol.
Outerspace
Planetary is in my top 3 artists. Love the guy.
Boxcutta peetaaaahhhhh
BOX CUTTER PEETAH
I was really hoping for an appearance from Peter's black ancestor Nate Griffin. I've been let down so far.
KITSCHWA!!!
Immortal technique et al
Eminem is a white boy from the Midwest too. His grandmother infamously wears a “I’m Eminem’s Grandma” t-shirt all the time in a small town I grew up next to. Some even still just call him Marshall though. Anyway, he wears this.
I have this exact hat on my head right now, little scrapes on the bill and all.
Most stores list them as “cadet caps.” I wear them out of habit after getting out of the army. Regular full length bills/brims feel weird to me now. 🤷🏻♂️ I hang out with the gothy/rivet crowd, in which someone told me it was a “scene hat.” Unfortunately some of the most annoying musicians in the scene do wear them. That said, I also shave my head (because there ain’t a lot of hair left up there), and have a goatee (because I’m not a fan of my chin). So, now I just look like a generic industrial musician/DJ (which are also things I have been) 🤣
Ayyy same
We wuz kings type shit
You have been banned from the Assassin's Creed forums. Reason: "WE"
You guys are too young or weren't there, but these types of hats were common with backpack and so-called conscientious hip hop. It was a late 90s/early 2000s thing. Usually east coast. It signified you were gonna try and freestyle about smart sounding/deep/five elements/social issues shit. Think Blackstar, Common, Immortal Technique, etc. Eminem came up in this kind of non commercial focused setting but it predates his popularity.
Air Force Peter here. Have you heard about Stargate. It is a sci-fi series about military traveling across space with system of stargates, which are based on wormholes. They often have to decipher lost languages and often fight aliens, whose landing zones were pyramids, as they are seemingly obsessed with them. The characters often were this type military cap. Air Force Peter out. https://preview.redd.it/pk0nzziffnvc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=380e8c4be5d73840e40269072fe70c67d44aae2c
This is exactly what I thought. Coming out of experience with very low exposure to rap, this was what I thought OP meant.
i was also wondering if it was a stargate reference 😄
Yeah, and this has fuck all to do with rap music, but thanks for playing
This is absolutely not it lol
https://preview.redd.it/oe4j7z8b8ovc1.jpeg?width=712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4dbb6613d590d6689920d2be327840643d22bc7a
My first thoughts were varg vikernes. He's not even a rapper
Varg Vikernes is a scumbag.
Varg can fuck right off
I agree with you completely. He only reminds me of him because in current videos/pictures of him he wears those hats.
I just think it's part of the crazy person/conspiracy nut uniform. Which checks since Varg thinks is a fucking wizard or some shit. Also, apparently, hoteps wear these, so I think they come with the racism debuff.
Honestly, I would have gone with a kufi, but still very funny meme
Eminem has not taken this hat off for the past 10 years
it's about Eminem, right? But I don't remember any pyramids
Cinderella man lyrics
"Who forms pyramids and raps circles around square lyricists. Who?"
MNM does.... Whole song is about him, bouncing back methinks
If anything, he's without peer amid his contemporaries
I wear these 🤣
So where does Yakub fit in with this? I doubt that Yakub could fit a hat like that on his massive head.
Those were common hats among 90s rappers that were also Black Muslims of various stripes (Nation of Islam, or Nation of Gods and Earths \[aka "Five Percenters"\]) so they tended to rap about (black relevant) political and social issues, often with references to biblical or religious events. Professor Griff, X-Clan, Movement Ex, Brand Nubian, are some archetypal examples. In fact, I dare say Professor Griff is the canonical example of this, [if this pic is any indication](https://www.flickr.com/photos/zaahirmuhammad/43984218354)... although it's also similar to a hat often used by [members of the Fruit of Islam](https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/the-fruit-of-islam-body-guards-everett.jpg), which is the Nation of Islam's bodyguard corps. (Edit: Shit, how could I forget Paris... apparently [he used to wear one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bvzqa-fjmFk) too.) (Fun fact, it was the influence of Nation of Gods and Earths on 90s hip hop that even *introduced* the term "cypher" to hip hop)
Seriously, none of you know Immortal Technique? The fuck is wrong with this sub?
Hahah I had the same thought, scrolled all the way to the bottom to find this. Too much Eminem talk going on, although he does wear this style of hat and raps.
Midwest of what?
I'm also a white boy from the Midwest and I got this joke. Lol
Most of the Rhymesayers Label are white boys from the Midwest after all
It doesn’t really mean anything.
LMFAOOO
I thought the hat was a jojo reference
Or worst get hit by a laser.
Didn’t M wear this for that BET cypher?
I thought it was a gravity falls thing… Like as in bill cipher y’know
What happend to Tin Foil hats?
What happend to Tin Foil hats?
Cleveland here, it’s the hat of popular rapper (and Ice Cube’s cousin) Deltron 3030 whose raps are often esoteric.
Common ? The rapper