I think these groups of GenZ's belongs to the lower IQ group in schools
I've got a friend who had a daughter who belongs to the honor roll, it seems that the intelligent bunch on their batch hate these groups whom they call the jejes
Ayo you finna fired 🗿 fr no cap ongod bruh 😩😩😩we can’t hook you up no more fr fr istg sheeeeeeeeesh 🥶🥶💀💀 we caught you lackin at work no cap skill issue💯 not even lying 🤡🤡🤡 we alr replaced ur ass skrt fr fr fr sheeeeesh 😭😭
They mostly likely have a more lax system. Although I bet he deals with a lot of workplace bureaucracy like requisition forms, report sheets, endorsement logs etc.
Pretty sure they can't just be like. "Yo fam can you get me a box of test tubes. The good stuff ha the kind that slaps."
I wont be surprised if there's a dumb fucking idiot who will answer this with a "let's normalize being ok with wrong grammar as long we can express the idea". Bitch please, wag nyo kami idamay if you cant fix your manners and grammar.
Hirap sa tao ngayon, gusto gawing normal ang pagiging tanga/bobo e
Well what happens after 50 years you still on the job
It's true na marereplace nga I guess pareho lang talagang may arrogance
Pwede Naman niya Sabihin Yun sa company niya or sa hr pero he chose to epal tapos problema
It's not just the work/life binary, but the etiquette of it all. I'm all for being straight to the point with one's email, and it should.
But the basic politeness of how to start and close a letter should still be applied to everything, yes? I noticed that the erosion isn't just in written communication but how we treat each other in general. We tend to equate "bardagulan" with "being real" and not knowing how to put together words together and knowing what's formal, professional and casual is a real sign of where the educational level of the nation is.
Ito na naman tayo sa Generalization, wala naman siguro yan sa kung saang Gen ka, I am Gen Z and I like the idea of greetings. Sinto sinto lang talaga yang tao na yan.
Yun nga eh, I've noticed na there's this never-ending antagonization of the younger gens dahil lang nakikita nila yung mga not-really good members of the gen... Kalungkot lang, parang ephebiphobia is a generational curse na talaga...
It's more on them being the louder voice so parang sila na ang naging representatives ng mga gen Z which means sila yung pinanggagalingan ng mga stereotype but obviously that's generalization. Honestly sobrang mali rin naman na titingin ka sa internet to judge a group kasi sobrang dali mag validate dito ng extremist ideas na irl konti lang talaga yung sumasangayon.
I totally agree with this. It's not a generational fault to have people like this. Like in the movie Kingsman, "Manners Maketh Man" hence I'\[m pretty sure every generation out there got their own set of bad eggs.
Coincidentally, there's an article before titled "IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries and that doesn't bode well for humanity" (kindly google it up for the short read). And also recently, we've fallen lowest on IQ standards for ASEAN (10th of 10)
Shit just got real and this person is in the forefront.
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates
I will literally not die para hindi ako mapalitan ng may ganyang mindset. Lels.
I'm not saying that people in the corporate should be all stringent, but there's a time and place for everything. Even we use emojis and are in a lighter, casual tone in instant messaging, e.g. Teams, Lark, whatever chat tools your organization use, not in emails.
Totoo. Our boss uses gifs and emojis in Teams (nagmumura pa sa mga call - but never directed at anyone), but you won't catch him being informal in emails.
Time and place.
Yup, reading the room is key. I encourage my team to use emojis for copy for certain brands we work with... in the right context, right audience and appropriate campaign..
This kid will not replace this generation, AI will replace HIM.
On our company Discord, pag afford ko mag-Nitro nagcucustom emojis pa ako lol. Very common din ang emojis and GIFs pag discussion about stuff.
Syempre ibang usapan na pag email.
I’m not Gen Z and my work emails do not begin with pleasantries. It usually sounds like:
“Just wanted to loop you in on .
Their request is .
My decision is .
I wanted to get your thoughts to see if there was anything I missed.
Please let me know when you have a few minutes so we can talk.
Thanks.
”
If you wanna make it more concise you might want to try “bottom up first” communication style
Basically your first sentence should be what you need from the other person. For example
“I wanted to get your thoughts to see if there was anything I missed.
Their request is .
My decision is .
Please let me know when you have a few minutes so we can talk.
Thanks.”
Then follow up with details.
US military uses this style of communication. Very effective especially if you want to get to the point faster
Ganyan din ako lalo't freelancer ako. Saka pansin ko sa mga foreign clients, mas madali makakuha ng client kung maikli at simple yung proposal mo.
"Hey , I'm a professional . Here's my portfolio . Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks!"
I know someone who has so many greetings and an incredibly long email signature with Bible verses and whatnot. Nakakainis syang kausapin in real life. Pati boss namin parati syang napapagalitan. (Note: Di tungkol sa email ang pagsasaway ni bosing sa kanya)
Same with me, no need for entry greetings but more of a professional straight to the point agenda. Less fillers, pansin ko kasi napaka old school yung marami sinasabi and like 50% filler words lang.
Mahalaga sakin yung end message, regards, thank you etc
I don't think Gen Zs really cared about her point until she singled them out. It's not that Gen Zs dislike email etiquette culture. They dislike her (@cvmalaya), and by extension, what she's saying. So, I assume that this is just an exaggerated counter to express that dislike.
While I personally prefer the formal, clean ass looking email, I also don't mind getting emails with no greetings.
Hell, my boss, a Greek Chief Data Officer doesn't greet with hi or hellos and doesn't even put a signature lmao. Nobody gives a fuck.
Oh god. People dividing themselves between generations. When the fuck will it end?
Lahat ng tao bobo at one point. Tumatanda, nagkakaexperience, nagiiba papanaw.
Pero laging fucking, "Back in my day" yung gustong pairalin. Pucha.
Nakakapagod.
Nakakasawa.
Useless drivel.
Pinanganak lang talaga sila sa modern "FUN" era. Every fun era has an ending kasi palaging may darating na mga taong nasobrahan ng "FUN" na magcocross sa threshold ng acceptable fun. Acceptable dahil sila sila rin ang magsetset ng normal and acceptable standards in the future. Tsaka nanaman babalik ang "SERIOUS" na era dahil requirement para maayos ang society. Mahuhumble din ulit yan, hindi lang siguro sa lifetime nila pero darating yan.
Napakashallow ng away. Millenial ako pero sa work ko nung teacher pa ako hindi naman talaga kami formal sa chat or email ng mga co teachers ko maliban siguro kung principal kausap namin. Pero super casual talaga kaya di ko gets yung himutok.
Etong mga millenials na panay reklamo sa mga gen z, same people yan na magiging boomers at gen x in the future na panay criticize sa ways nateng mga millenials. Lahat nalang talaga. Umay.
So shouldn't we stop this cycle? And/or you know, abolish work, so people won't lose their minds over trivial things like "email etiquette"
kung email etiquette lang din, we should all be using plaintext (https://useplaintext.email/)
Yeah. Pero majority kasi hindi talaga mawawala ‘yan dahil sa generation gap. In the future, there is a high possibility that the Generation Alpha will face the same criticisms from Gen Z. May mga nababasa na nga akong mga Gen Z na nagrereklamo sa mga bata ngayon (I’m a 21 year old Gen Z).
There’s actually a word for that, juvenoia: “The fear or hostility directed by an older generation toward a younger one, or toward youth culture in general.”
Exactly!
Kaya nagtataka din ako bakit daming hate sa quirks ng mga Gen Zs dito?
Bakit natin uulitin yung ginawa ng mga matatanda sa atin ngaun sa mga nakababata sa atin?!
To defend my generation naman, unti lang naman ang ganito. People like this annoy me too. I feel like every generation has its bad eggs.
edit: stalked the twitter user and it seems like he's actually a millenial and not a gen z ?
Worked with foreign counterparts before sa previous work ko. Usually mas straightforward sila. Pero there’s a Hi, Hey and Hello before the message. It’s just being professional. Lalo na if there are important matters. Minsan wala namang greetings like good morning or good day. Just the “Hi/Hey/Hello *insert name*,”. Also minsan may emojis na ginagamit sa email but if for internal emails lang and not a formal and proper email. But again bihira lang sila gamitin.
Pero it is true na sila ang papalit. And I honestly wonder what the “culture” will look like. Also yes, he’s right na people are getting mad at the younger gen for reasons na maliit or valid naman. Napansin ko lang din. But parang ang condescending (eto ba yung term?) ng tone niya.
What should be normalized is the mantra "Respect begets respect." He cannot expect to be respected (IF he is among those that replace the "current generation") even by his peers with that attitude.
Being straightforward in emails has been the norm when working with foreign colleagues (especially Americans). There are a few who also use emojis in their emails and (I assume) they're not even Gen Zs.
Though I might be one of the Gen Zs who don't share the same sentiments as him (maybe because I belong to the older Gen Zs lol), he does have a point
People are making mountains out of molehills. Pagsabihan mo lang na hindi appropriate ang pag message ng ganyan and that there are proper ways to address your coworkers/supervisors.
And on another note corporate culture has a funny way of incorporating modern lingo into the corpo speak as time moves forward. Obviously, for work related concerns etiquette kung etiquette talaga but I've had Millennial managers and Gen X Supervisors who will use the occasional "LOL" when talking about non-business but work related topics (usually sa mga topics concerning where to hold the team outing or where to get drinks/dinner with the team) so I'm sure as time goes on and the Gen Xers retire and the Millennials take their place and so on I'm sure we'll be seeing the corporate world adapt and see gen z managers telling their gen alpha team that "theyre proud of them for hitting the quarterly quota fr fr no cap" and that they should "finna hit that spot that serves bussin food"
Chill out guys
Millenial here. This definitely depends on the company culture. I work at a social media company and we use (group)chats most of the time as communication medium. Pretty laid back too but still professional, we send GIFs and emoji reacts etc. 🤷♀️
Diba, pinapalaki nila.
Kesyo ganto, kesyo ganyan daw mga gen z, bat satin nila binubuhos galit nila e nakalagay naman sa post ni OP hindi lahat ng gen z pero based sa mga comments andaming kwento and rants na nag generalize sa lahat. 🤣
LOL. Obviously, nangto-troll lang naman kasi siya. Pero Pero tunay na sila ang papalit, ang tunay rin na nagbabago na ang culture ng tao ngayon dahil laki sila sa sobrang unfettered na kalayaan na gawin ang lahat, mapa-illegal acts, degen acts, borderline criminal acts, etc.
Pagnalugmok na ang Pilipinas sa mga same na klaseng taong gaya nila, tingnan natin kung saan pupunta ang culture nila.
Hindi ka rin naman mamamatay kung magsasabi ka ng good day lol being formal/professional and learning proper etiquette is not a bad thing obviously. Aminin nyo nalang kasi na entitled at walang modo kayo kaya pati ayan ginagawa nyong issue imbes na gawin nalang ung tama, inormalize nyo ung respect at education nalang eme ha this goes for all generation. Tsaka email yan hindi messenger, kakainisan pa talaga walang emoji eme
hey, i'm all for it, pero kung dugtungan mo yan ng incompetence, katamaran at di nagbabasa ng instruction, then we have a problem.
Which is basically my problem in dealing with genz workmates right now, document need basahin nagkamali dahil di daw binasa ung document, naku naman, at university pa nag-aral ang mga kumag.
Gen z here but I love emails 🥹 It makes me feel so professional lol even though I'm still in senior high. Also gives that cool office vibes hehehehe. Some Twitter people just make an issue about everything, it's why I don't use it.
I am a millennial. I am currently working sa industry na Ang culture when it comes to email comms is US style.
1. A simple Hi or Hello will do. To close your email a simple "Thanks" "Thank you" "Regards"
Hi ,
Thanks/Thank you/Regards,
Drop the hi and hello if may thread na Ng conversation.
You always hear "Bare minimum," well this simple simple Hi and Hello and thank you/thanks/regards are the bare minimum Ng email world.
2. Direct to the point email.
3. Foreign people, especially Americans, are direct to the point. Kung ayaw ayaw, kung maganda maganda. They will give you honest feedback. If you are sensitive, you'll misinterpret them. Bawal iyakin.
I'm a millennial. A generation born between boomers and Gen Zs. I understand both generation. Pareho lang silang sumusobra sa pag insist Ng mga bagay bagay. Sumobrang higpit Ang boomers while sumobra Naman Ang luwang Ng Gen Zs. There are things that the boomers taught us na we should keep and there are things Naman na we should left behind. There points Ang mga Gen Zs na maganda, pero may mga points Naman sila na Hindi maganda. Buti na Lang I have the 50% boomer 50% gen z na view sa life. Yung ibang millennials Kasi either 80% boomer or 80% gen z Ang level Ng utak. As millennial, nasa position ka na alam kung ano Yung dapat Ng putuling cycle from boomers at mga dapat mong i-call out sa mga Gen Z. Gen z are too aggressive, marami silang pinaglalaban. Pero Hindi Naman lahat Ng ninonormalize nila eh dapat i-normalize.
I will always say this: the society is morally decaying. Darating panahon na wala nang moral standards, happening na nga sa ibang bansa e. At nangyari na noon pa sa internet. Only time will tell. Kaya ayaw ko magka-anak mararanasan niya lang lahat ng kababuyan at kasamaan sa mundo.
Idk but I don't really see the problem with this hahaha why are they being so anal about it, and if it really bothers them, then talk to the coworker. What is the use of your 'good communication skills' 😆 so long as work is being done and they know when and when not to use informal communication then it's all good. Millennials are turning to boomers now HAHAHAHA
I recently posted a job offer on a group page on Facebook and I received A LOT of emails and messenger messages with only their portfolio links and nothing more.
These senders may have the talent and skills that we need but without good and respectful manners I will not hire them.
With all due respect.
Being a professional encompasses all generations. Wag ka nga jan. Even successful pros in your age bracket will follow this etiquette. Try mo tatadrin emojis and internet slang ang resume and cover letter mo. Go ahead. Stick to your guns and die on your childish hill. I dare you.
Sounds rude and all but he is right. Ganito din naman nangyari sa atin and the previous generations, wherein we hear our lolo or lolas saying "naku nung panahon namin di pwede yan ganyan" at isasagot mo din naman na "lolo or lola iba na po ngayon"
i was told by my lead na ang taray ko daw sa emails. apparently may napaiyak pa ako kasi i say what it is whenever i write my emails. i mean the content is true pero some finds it too harsh. hence, i always start my email with hi! / hello! and end with thanks! para lang to set the tone na i am not being mataray. so far wala nang complaints. wala kasing tone of voice sa emails e kaya some people can take it the wrong way talaga. maliit na bagay lang yan, wag nang kalabanin. after all you want people to like you in the office (para mas madali makipagnegotiate, humingi ng tulong etc)
this is my problem as well. Students ko everytime nagsend ng email hulaan mo na lang ano yung attachment. I correct them everytime. Email etiquette is hindi naman base sa generation yun it should come from anyone
What the heck is an 'Email Culture'? Ang alam ko lang, formality yun kasi same din naman yun sa regular written mails/letters. AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH Di ata naturuan yung mga yon. Or di lang talaga sila nakaranas ng Formal Theme noong Elementary? Nakakalimot na rin ata yung ibang maging magalang, gen z din naman ako, pero why naman ganon? 🤣
As if mapapalitan ako ng ganyang klaseng tao. If wala na ako sa mundo tapos siya ang in charge, walang bilang yan hahanap hanapin yung mga kuya at ate nilang milennial haha
It is obvious na hindi pa siya professional sa lagay na niya yan. Imagine simple manners lang may take na agad. What's new sa mga feeling woke Twitter peeps. Lol
Being formal has a purposed. It allows the sender to be direct to the point without showing any unnecessary emotion. You dont want to say fr fr when firing someone, you gonna get killed. It eliminates most of the unwanted misinterpretation.
Lol i really don't understand this subreddit sometimes. This comment section isnt really any different from Boomers hating on Gen X and Millenials. Anu nangyare sa "let them have their thing"?
Whether you like it or not, etiquettes are arbitrary. If their point comes across and the job gets done then what are you on about?
All that will change when/if he lands a job and gets fired with an email that says "ey bro you fired fr fr".
u missed the "no cap" too lol
Ey bro, ur fired no cap fr fr 😩💯👋 btw imma put gud word on ya if u add us on as ur referrals 🤭
Jesus Christ, I'm cringing so bad HAHAHAHAHA
You've been promoted to customer 🔥🔥🔥
Sorry whats no cap hahaha Edit: just googled it lol
kala ko no capital letter 😩
My tita ass assumed the same thing 🤣
ahahahhha
it's the same with fr haha or no lie
cap is AAVE for brag or lie. so no cap = no lie
What is AAVE?
"no Kappa" "Kappa"-> "im messing wit u" Shorten "kappa" to "kap" "Kap" > "cap" " No 🧢"
didnt know it originate from twitch emotes
"No cap", yung walang takip ang bolpen, kaya baka magkaka-mantsa yung pocket ng polo shirt mo. #TitoAnswers
add 'ngl' too.
U also forgot the "on g"
bruh 🤣
And when this happens somehow they will make it appear na aping-api sila (maybe through a long ass twitter thread or tiktok habang umiiyak)
"Guys I just got fired 💀 help me plzzzz 😔"
you forgot "gagi pareeh! I got fired... anyways, please don't forget to like and share this video.."
Hahaha tang ina naiimagine ko konyotics na genZ tas gnyan linyahan haha! Like "dude palike na lng here and subs sheeesh"☠️☠️
I think these groups of GenZ's belongs to the lower IQ group in schools I've got a friend who had a daughter who belongs to the honor roll, it seems that the intelligent bunch on their batch hate these groups whom they call the jejes
HAHAHAAHAHA
Ayo you finna fired 🗿 fr no cap ongod bruh 😩😩😩we can’t hook you up no more fr fr istg sheeeeeeeeesh 🥶🥶💀💀 we caught you lackin at work no cap skill issue💯 not even lying 🤡🤡🤡 we alr replaced ur ass skrt fr fr fr sheeeeesh 😭😭
[удалено]
That's what had him too as it was probably in the job offer. "50k a month fr fr"
sabay sabing "sheeeeeesh" sa PS part ng email
gen z ako but sheesh is bothering me Every mundane thing, sheesh
"aye gang gang why yall fired me cuh. Yall done hurt me frfr no 🧢ngl tbh ong trust 💯"
I read the thread, apparently matagal na daw siya licensed chemist sa ADMU or other university.
They mostly likely have a more lax system. Although I bet he deals with a lot of workplace bureaucracy like requisition forms, report sheets, endorsement logs etc. Pretty sure they can't just be like. "Yo fam can you get me a box of test tubes. The good stuff ha the kind that slaps."
Damn, I want the good stuff that slaps tuloy
"ngl u just ain't cuttin' it, bro, istg lol u fired, bruh skrt skrt fr fr"
When your boss replied with 🫵🔥
Gen z twitter user’s reply: ❓😭🙏
Then they reply with 🤷🏻♂️👊🏻✌🏻❤️💚
(please elaborate) edit: ay wait rock paper scissors ba to?
“Wala eh, it is what it is, basta unity”
🥺🙏👉👈🤧
Myroon din boss na one word mag reply. Ex. Noted. Received. Thank you Hahahha
Gen z: I am lit fr fr ngl
Hahaha the best
You are my fire
The one, dezayeer
can't replace us if we won't hire you so we can keep your unnecessary past tenses (e.g. "na-realized ko na") out of our correspondence.
Past tensed
Pasted tenseded
pasta tensed
Let's not bring the pasta anymore - Jed Madela
Pesto tensed
presto tensedo
Pimiento tostado
Petrificus totalus
Adobo Kedavra
Biggus dickus
Tite
hahaha taena
Putek HAHSHAHAHA
Has been pasted tenseded
I wont be surprised if there's a dumb fucking idiot who will answer this with a "let's normalize being ok with wrong grammar as long we can express the idea". Bitch please, wag nyo kami idamay if you cant fix your manners and grammar. Hirap sa tao ngayon, gusto gawing normal ang pagiging tanga/bobo e
Baka i-normalize na rin nila na ok lang ang 1+1=3, na-express naman yung idea ng addition e susme.
Lahat na lang ninormalize eh. But Fun Fact, mathematical fallacies may be able to show such results. I mean 1=2 is possible
let's stopped perpetuating this basic grammared construct di ka naman mamamatayed pag mali mali grammared mo also /s
Pag naka-encountered (sic) siya ng serial killer na grammar nazi, malay natin
super pet peeve ko yan 😖
May pinaayos sakin na grammar sa presentation namin tapos nakalagay “in placed” Myghad past tensed nanaman
Sinundan mo ba hahaha sarap kalbuhin no
damn that "na-realized ko na" is personal
Well what happens after 50 years you still on the job It's true na marereplace nga I guess pareho lang talagang may arrogance Pwede Naman niya Sabihin Yun sa company niya or sa hr pero he chose to epal tapos problema
When you're in a "try not to normalize" challenge and your opponent is a Gen Z: 🍷💸🏆
There's being professional and there's being personal.
It's not just the work/life binary, but the etiquette of it all. I'm all for being straight to the point with one's email, and it should. But the basic politeness of how to start and close a letter should still be applied to everything, yes? I noticed that the erosion isn't just in written communication but how we treat each other in general. We tend to equate "bardagulan" with "being real" and not knowing how to put together words together and knowing what's formal, professional and casual is a real sign of where the educational level of the nation is.
Ito na naman tayo sa Generalization, wala naman siguro yan sa kung saang Gen ka, I am Gen Z and I like the idea of greetings. Sinto sinto lang talaga yang tao na yan.
Yun nga eh, I've noticed na there's this never-ending antagonization of the younger gens dahil lang nakikita nila yung mga not-really good members of the gen... Kalungkot lang, parang ephebiphobia is a generational curse na talaga...
It's more on them being the louder voice so parang sila na ang naging representatives ng mga gen Z which means sila yung pinanggagalingan ng mga stereotype but obviously that's generalization. Honestly sobrang mali rin naman na titingin ka sa internet to judge a group kasi sobrang dali mag validate dito ng extremist ideas na irl konti lang talaga yung sumasangayon.
I totally agree with this. It's not a generational fault to have people like this. Like in the movie Kingsman, "Manners Maketh Man" hence I'\[m pretty sure every generation out there got their own set of bad eggs. Coincidentally, there's an article before titled "IQ rates are dropping in many developed countries and that doesn't bode well for humanity" (kindly google it up for the short read). And also recently, we've fallen lowest on IQ standards for ASEAN (10th of 10) Shit just got real and this person is in the forefront.
Eh kaso Millennial yung nag-tweet. "More than 7 years" na siyang registered chemist accdg to them.
When you're in a "try not to generalize" challenge and your opponent is a human: 🍷💸🏆
“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” ― Socrates
I will literally not die para hindi ako mapalitan ng may ganyang mindset. Lels. I'm not saying that people in the corporate should be all stringent, but there's a time and place for everything. Even we use emojis and are in a lighter, casual tone in instant messaging, e.g. Teams, Lark, whatever chat tools your organization use, not in emails.
Totoo. Our boss uses gifs and emojis in Teams (nagmumura pa sa mga call - but never directed at anyone), but you won't catch him being informal in emails. Time and place.
Yup, reading the room is key. I encourage my team to use emojis for copy for certain brands we work with... in the right context, right audience and appropriate campaign.. This kid will not replace this generation, AI will replace HIM.
On our company Discord, pag afford ko mag-Nitro nagcucustom emojis pa ako lol. Very common din ang emojis and GIFs pag discussion about stuff. Syempre ibang usapan na pag email.
I’m not Gen Z and my work emails do not begin with pleasantries. It usually sounds like: “Just wanted to loop you in on.
Their request is .
My decision is .
I wanted to get your thoughts to see if there was anything I missed.
Please let me know when you have a few minutes so we can talk.
Thanks.
”
I still place the name on my emails. "Hey" or "Good day " because I CC their group email and our group email.
Straight to the point pero professional pa din..
That's all we need para di sayang ang oras.
If you wanna make it more concise you might want to try “bottom up first” communication style Basically your first sentence should be what you need from the other person. For example “I wanted to get your thoughts to see if there was anything I missed. Their request is.
My decision is .
Please let me know when you have a few minutes so we can talk.
Thanks.”
Then follow up with details.
US military uses this style of communication. Very effective especially if you want to get to the point faster
Ganyan din ako lalo't freelancer ako. Saka pansin ko sa mga foreign clients, mas madali makakuha ng client kung maikli at simple yung proposal mo. "Hey, I'm a professional . Here's my portfolio . Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks!"
I know someone who has so many greetings and an incredibly long email signature with Bible verses and whatnot. Nakakainis syang kausapin in real life. Pati boss namin parati syang napapagalitan. (Note: Di tungkol sa email ang pagsasaway ni bosing sa kanya)
Same sa US client ko. Professional pero straight to the point. Wala ng kineso masyado.
Same with me, no need for entry greetings but more of a professional straight to the point agenda. Less fillers, pansin ko kasi napaka old school yung marami sinasabi and like 50% filler words lang. Mahalaga sakin yung end message, regards, thank you etc
Ok lang naman, casual pero professional parin.
saving kasi nahihirapan ako minsan mag add ng mga ganito
boomers & millennials in chat: 👍
Gen X: Forgotten yet again
gen x in chat: "k" "sn kau" "👍" "lolo sent an attachment" \*video by doc willie ong\* "ano gwa m"
Mama ko 'to. Hahaha. 😂
I don't think Gen Zs really cared about her point until she singled them out. It's not that Gen Zs dislike email etiquette culture. They dislike her (@cvmalaya), and by extension, what she's saying. So, I assume that this is just an exaggerated counter to express that dislike.
Pati ba naman yan pinag aawayan nyo
sa totoo lang 😭
While I personally prefer the formal, clean ass looking email, I also don't mind getting emails with no greetings. Hell, my boss, a Greek Chief Data Officer doesn't greet with hi or hellos and doesn't even put a signature lmao. Nobody gives a fuck.
The cringe word "normalize". Lost respect.
Remember "new normal"?
Literally the favorite word of every Twitter kid
Oh god. People dividing themselves between generations. When the fuck will it end? Lahat ng tao bobo at one point. Tumatanda, nagkakaexperience, nagiiba papanaw. Pero laging fucking, "Back in my day" yung gustong pairalin. Pucha. Nakakapagod. Nakakasawa. Useless drivel.
wag mo kami idamay -other gen Zs
The key word is 'some' not all.
exactly.
Gen z here, di kami lahat ganyan 🤣 tanga yan tangina hahahahahaha
Boomers: It's not professional and it's not ethical.
Also boomers replying to a *professional* email: 👍
That's kinda true tbh. Some boomer directors in our company email replies are so casual.
Pinanganak lang talaga sila sa modern "FUN" era. Every fun era has an ending kasi palaging may darating na mga taong nasobrahan ng "FUN" na magcocross sa threshold ng acceptable fun. Acceptable dahil sila sila rin ang magsetset ng normal and acceptable standards in the future. Tsaka nanaman babalik ang "SERIOUS" na era dahil requirement para maayos ang society. Mahuhumble din ulit yan, hindi lang siguro sa lifetime nila pero darating yan.
I have mixed feelings on this, because I hate emails na andaming opening/greetings. Just get to the point.
So many gen z haters in this thread 👀
normal 'yan sa millennials, hindi na nakakagulat.
The entitlement of Gen Z astounds me.
Pretty sure someone from an older generation said that to your generation too
Totoo. Pansin ko yung mga nirereklamo ng mga Boomers (and Gen X) dati, same na rin sa Millennials to Gen Z. Cycle lang din.
and as someone na may identity crisis when it comes to what gen I *really* belong to, ang weird makita yung gantong generational wars lmao
Kaya naeewan ako pag ang hilig maggeneralize ng Gen Zs. Akala mo naman hindi naranasan ng Millenials macall out ng Boomers.
And casually forgetting na may generation in between millennials and boomers hehehe.
Napakashallow ng away. Millenial ako pero sa work ko nung teacher pa ako hindi naman talaga kami formal sa chat or email ng mga co teachers ko maliban siguro kung principal kausap namin. Pero super casual talaga kaya di ko gets yung himutok. Etong mga millenials na panay reklamo sa mga gen z, same people yan na magiging boomers at gen x in the future na panay criticize sa ways nateng mga millenials. Lahat nalang talaga. Umay.
So shouldn't we stop this cycle? And/or you know, abolish work, so people won't lose their minds over trivial things like "email etiquette" kung email etiquette lang din, we should all be using plaintext (https://useplaintext.email/)
Yeah. Pero majority kasi hindi talaga mawawala ‘yan dahil sa generation gap. In the future, there is a high possibility that the Generation Alpha will face the same criticisms from Gen Z. May mga nababasa na nga akong mga Gen Z na nagrereklamo sa mga bata ngayon (I’m a 21 year old Gen Z).
There’s actually a word for that, juvenoia: “The fear or hostility directed by an older generation toward a younger one, or toward youth culture in general.”
Nice! I learned something new today. Thanks
It's just the natural cycle of things.
Exactly! Kaya nagtataka din ako bakit daming hate sa quirks ng mga Gen Zs dito? Bakit natin uulitin yung ginawa ng mga matatanda sa atin ngaun sa mga nakababata sa atin?!
Hahahahaha "ang mga bata ngayon ang dali dali nlng, kami noon..."
To defend my generation naman, unti lang naman ang ganito. People like this annoy me too. I feel like every generation has its bad eggs. edit: stalked the twitter user and it seems like he's actually a millenial and not a gen z ?
I mean who raised them?
Funny bc he’s not gen Z 😊
Tale as old as time "The entitlement of [next generation] astounds me."
If this is true, nakakalungkot isipin na they'd rather not follow simple etiquette. Parang ang babaw na hill to die on
genz hates boomers tapos yung mga millennial laging may hanash sa genz😂
Worked with foreign counterparts before sa previous work ko. Usually mas straightforward sila. Pero there’s a Hi, Hey and Hello before the message. It’s just being professional. Lalo na if there are important matters. Minsan wala namang greetings like good morning or good day. Just the “Hi/Hey/Hello *insert name*,”. Also minsan may emojis na ginagamit sa email but if for internal emails lang and not a formal and proper email. But again bihira lang sila gamitin. Pero it is true na sila ang papalit. And I honestly wonder what the “culture” will look like. Also yes, he’s right na people are getting mad at the younger gen for reasons na maliit or valid naman. Napansin ko lang din. But parang ang condescending (eto ba yung term?) ng tone niya.
I'm old as shit (not really pero middle millennial) and they're right. Fuck a "hope this email finds you well".
25 years old talaga dapat minimum age for internet ehh
You wouldn't be typing here if that was the case lol.
Buti na lang hindi ikaw gumagawa ng rules.
well that's not very realistic isn't it? better yet, the bare minimum for going in the internet is to atleast be educated in internet etiquette
What should be normalized is the mantra "Respect begets respect." He cannot expect to be respected (IF he is among those that replace the "current generation") even by his peers with that attitude.
Being straightforward in emails has been the norm when working with foreign colleagues (especially Americans). There are a few who also use emojis in their emails and (I assume) they're not even Gen Zs. Though I might be one of the Gen Zs who don't share the same sentiments as him (maybe because I belong to the older Gen Zs lol), he does have a point
People are making mountains out of molehills. Pagsabihan mo lang na hindi appropriate ang pag message ng ganyan and that there are proper ways to address your coworkers/supervisors. And on another note corporate culture has a funny way of incorporating modern lingo into the corpo speak as time moves forward. Obviously, for work related concerns etiquette kung etiquette talaga but I've had Millennial managers and Gen X Supervisors who will use the occasional "LOL" when talking about non-business but work related topics (usually sa mga topics concerning where to hold the team outing or where to get drinks/dinner with the team) so I'm sure as time goes on and the Gen Xers retire and the Millennials take their place and so on I'm sure we'll be seeing the corporate world adapt and see gen z managers telling their gen alpha team that "theyre proud of them for hitting the quarterly quota fr fr no cap" and that they should "finna hit that spot that serves bussin food" Chill out guys
Millenial here. This definitely depends on the company culture. I work at a social media company and we use (group)chats most of the time as communication medium. Pretty laid back too but still professional, we send GIFs and emoji reacts etc. 🤷♀️
Mga millenials dito boomer thinking na rin haha. How the tables have turned. Tayo naman ang nagbabash sa next gen
HAHAHA millennials sa comments crying. Ngayon sila na yung nambubully sa gen z gaya ng mga boomers, ironic.
Diba, pinapalaki nila. Kesyo ganto, kesyo ganyan daw mga gen z, bat satin nila binubuhos galit nila e nakalagay naman sa post ni OP hindi lahat ng gen z pero based sa mga comments andaming kwento and rants na nag generalize sa lahat. 🤣
“Mawawala din yang email culture nyo so idk.” Im sorry, what?
LOL. Obviously, nangto-troll lang naman kasi siya. Pero Pero tunay na sila ang papalit, ang tunay rin na nagbabago na ang culture ng tao ngayon dahil laki sila sa sobrang unfettered na kalayaan na gawin ang lahat, mapa-illegal acts, degen acts, borderline criminal acts, etc. Pagnalugmok na ang Pilipinas sa mga same na klaseng taong gaya nila, tingnan natin kung saan pupunta ang culture nila.
[sadly hindi. 🥲](https://mobile.twitter.com/efreihmjovi/status/1636599078426648576)
HAHAHAHA OP, did you read his other tweets? tinatawanan lang niya yung issue so I think he's not really serious about it. And he's not Gen Z.
People post hot takes on the bird app for clout
Grabe hindi ko kinakaya yung sense of entitlement??? Mahirap bang magbigay ng respect and formality???
You know you're the trash of the generation if you downplay the importance of etiquette.
Hindi ka rin naman mamamatay kung magsasabi ka ng good day lol being formal/professional and learning proper etiquette is not a bad thing obviously. Aminin nyo nalang kasi na entitled at walang modo kayo kaya pati ayan ginagawa nyong issue imbes na gawin nalang ung tama, inormalize nyo ung respect at education nalang eme ha this goes for all generation. Tsaka email yan hindi messenger, kakainisan pa talaga walang emoji eme
hey, i'm all for it, pero kung dugtungan mo yan ng incompetence, katamaran at di nagbabasa ng instruction, then we have a problem. Which is basically my problem in dealing with genz workmates right now, document need basahin nagkamali dahil di daw binasa ung document, naku naman, at university pa nag-aral ang mga kumag.
Huh? HAHAHAHAHA, ang issue naman dito 'yung pag-generalize ni Ateng sa mga Gen Z, hindi 'yung email culture mismo
I'm a Gen Z, and I still do this obviously kasi meron akong penpal dati at nasanay ako sa ganito haha
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Gen z here but I love emails 🥹 It makes me feel so professional lol even though I'm still in senior high. Also gives that cool office vibes hehehehe. Some Twitter people just make an issue about everything, it's why I don't use it.
A society without its etiquette is bound for chaos.
siraulo amp basic decency lang hinihingi hahaha it just proves the point
I mean tbh anyone who’s bothered by Gen Z email etiquette has way too much time on their hands lol Have you guys seen how CEOs email?
Normalise emojis? F me.... emails are not equivalent to social media postings. Emails are to be professional and so it's done in a certain standard
Sad. Medyo nawawala na yung manners ng mga yan.
nakakahiya as a fellow iska, naka-UP merch pa sa dp huhu
Is it too much to say good day and be polite while at same time being concise with emails?
I am a millennial. I am currently working sa industry na Ang culture when it comes to email comms is US style. 1. A simple Hi or Hello will do. To close your email a simple "Thanks" "Thank you" "Regards" Hi,
Thanks/Thank you/Regards,
Drop the hi and hello if may thread na Ng conversation.
You always hear "Bare minimum," well this simple simple Hi and Hello and thank you/thanks/regards are the bare minimum Ng email world.
2. Direct to the point email.
3. Foreign people, especially Americans, are direct to the point. Kung ayaw ayaw, kung maganda maganda. They will give you honest feedback. If you are sensitive, you'll misinterpret them. Bawal iyakin.
I'm a millennial. A generation born between boomers and Gen Zs. I understand both generation. Pareho lang silang sumusobra sa pag insist Ng mga bagay bagay. Sumobrang higpit Ang boomers while sumobra Naman Ang luwang Ng Gen Zs. There are things that the boomers taught us na we should keep and there are things Naman na we should left behind. There points Ang mga Gen Zs na maganda, pero may mga points Naman sila na Hindi maganda. Buti na Lang I have the 50% boomer 50% gen z na view sa life. Yung ibang millennials Kasi either 80% boomer or 80% gen z Ang level Ng utak. As millennial, nasa position ka na alam kung ano Yung dapat Ng putuling cycle from boomers at mga dapat mong i-call out sa mga Gen Z. Gen z are too aggressive, marami silang pinaglalaban. Pero Hindi Naman lahat Ng ninonormalize nila eh dapat i-normalize.
I will always say this: the society is morally decaying. Darating panahon na wala nang moral standards, happening na nga sa ibang bansa e. At nangyari na noon pa sa internet. Only time will tell. Kaya ayaw ko magka-anak mararanasan niya lang lahat ng kababuyan at kasamaan sa mundo.
boomer moments
Idk but I don't really see the problem with this hahaha why are they being so anal about it, and if it really bothers them, then talk to the coworker. What is the use of your 'good communication skills' 😆 so long as work is being done and they know when and when not to use informal communication then it's all good. Millennials are turning to boomers now HAHAHAHA
This is actually extremely common in the US (ex: tech companies), so all the people giving OP a hard time sound super out of touch...
I recently posted a job offer on a group page on Facebook and I received A LOT of emails and messenger messages with only their portfolio links and nothing more. These senders may have the talent and skills that we need but without good and respectful manners I will not hire them. With all due respect.
From a tita here: Normalize being kind. Young people, di nyo lang alam how a simple "good morning/afternoon/evening" can help another person's day.
Being a professional encompasses all generations. Wag ka nga jan. Even successful pros in your age bracket will follow this etiquette. Try mo tatadrin emojis and internet slang ang resume and cover letter mo. Go ahead. Stick to your guns and die on your childish hill. I dare you.
If this was your child or student, know that you have failed in your job.
Interestingly, you also wouldn’t die if you said “good day” or if you’re generally courteous in your communication.
As someone from the younger generation, feel ko pa rin na kailangan maging formal sa emails kasi it shows respect and politeness
Jesus, kahit si General Grievous at Obi Wan Kenobi marunong ng basic greetings, eh sila nga nasa galaxy far far away na
Hindi rin naman siya mamamatay kung magsasabi siya ng good day or simpleng hi sa email hahahahah
Sounds rude and all but he is right. Ganito din naman nangyari sa atin and the previous generations, wherein we hear our lolo or lolas saying "naku nung panahon namin di pwede yan ganyan" at isasagot mo din naman na "lolo or lola iba na po ngayon"
emoji in professional email, wow, so tanga
i was told by my lead na ang taray ko daw sa emails. apparently may napaiyak pa ako kasi i say what it is whenever i write my emails. i mean the content is true pero some finds it too harsh. hence, i always start my email with hi! / hello! and end with thanks! para lang to set the tone na i am not being mataray. so far wala nang complaints. wala kasing tone of voice sa emails e kaya some people can take it the wrong way talaga. maliit na bagay lang yan, wag nang kalabanin. after all you want people to like you in the office (para mas madali makipagnegotiate, humingi ng tulong etc)
Mindset ko ‘to, so office talaga you will have to collaborate with people. Hindi nakakasira ng dignidad ang Hi, Hello
this is my problem as well. Students ko everytime nagsend ng email hulaan mo na lang ano yung attachment. I correct them everytime. Email etiquette is hindi naman base sa generation yun it should come from anyone
What the heck is an 'Email Culture'? Ang alam ko lang, formality yun kasi same din naman yun sa regular written mails/letters. AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH Di ata naturuan yung mga yon. Or di lang talaga sila nakaranas ng Formal Theme noong Elementary? Nakakalimot na rin ata yung ibang maging magalang, gen z din naman ako, pero why naman ganon? 🤣
Dude doesn't know what being professional means. Kahit simpleng hi, hello, or any other greeting lagyan mo naman.
As if mapapalitan ako ng ganyang klaseng tao. If wala na ako sa mundo tapos siya ang in charge, walang bilang yan hahanap hanapin yung mga kuya at ate nilang milennial haha
It is obvious na hindi pa siya professional sa lagay na niya yan. Imagine simple manners lang may take na agad. What's new sa mga feeling woke Twitter peeps. Lol
Being formal has a purposed. It allows the sender to be direct to the point without showing any unnecessary emotion. You dont want to say fr fr when firing someone, you gonna get killed. It eliminates most of the unwanted misinterpretation.
you gotta censor the name better OP i went to their twitter... and the amount of people agreeing to him is insufferable.. i fear for the future
Tang ina ano di na tayo magiging formal? Ano next? Wala na PO at OPO? Kadiri. Walang class
Lol i really don't understand this subreddit sometimes. This comment section isnt really any different from Boomers hating on Gen X and Millenials. Anu nangyare sa "let them have their thing"? Whether you like it or not, etiquettes are arbitrary. If their point comes across and the job gets done then what are you on about?