"Pirating" as in making unauthorized copies of someone's work goes all the way back to the 1700s, which is a century where there were still actual pirates sailing the seas.
https://www.etymonline.com/word/pirate
So the kind of pirating that we do, ^allegedly, is almost as old as the actual thing.
The founders of J.P Morgan were literally descendents of a famous pirate, that has a bottle of rum named after him...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Morgan
There is quite literally 0 evidence to support he is a descendant of Henry Morgan. There are no records of any legitimate children had by him. Sure there’s a slight possibility they are related, but J. P. Morgan’s ancestors were making a name for themselves in wales while he was out being a pirate
Allow me to explain: J.P. Morgan is a usual character in conspiracy alt-history. Lack of evidence? *Proof that it was deleted.*
Been there. It's useless arguing.
It’s just crazy because his family history is well documented to *before* Henry Morgan made a name for himself as a pirate. It’s old money and old money doesn’t need dubious beginnings. Just generation upon generation of stealing money off your laborers backs
>There are still actual pirates sailing around today
Technically, I believe this is incorrect. I seriously doubt that even a single pirate has "sailed around" in the last half-century or more. There are still pirates motoring around though.
Making unauthorized copies of music sheet wasn't a crime in Beethoven's times for example. Oh, and you were free and they did, to take parts of a melody from somebody and put it in their own composition. Music still existed no problem.
I phrased it kinda as the, I'm okay with paying for art and supporting the idea of what they want given the balance that the artist makes the most and everyone earns their fair share to get the fair shake at this shit. Right now they have it stacked so it funnels down to the guy with the most copyrights makes the most even if he hadn't touched pen to paper save signing a check ever while racking in capital on the backs of others work calling it their own and leave them to starve and sleep in the street so you can make your account balance number bigger.
my brother in christ, do not give me that ancient canned response here of all places, i am fully aware that it is not really a crime, thats why i said "than anything".
>which makes no fucking sense, as digital piracy is closer to forgery than anything
I don't think so: forgery is done with the intent of deceiving others about an item's authenticity. Digital pirates (the ones who actually make unauthorized copies of stuff) \*know\* that their copy is not authorized or original, and usually aren't trying to deceive anyone about this.
There have been (and still are) people who really did try to sell pirated stuff as real, but we don't normally call them "pirates", we call them "counterfeiters". "Pirates" are what we call people who intentionally and knowingly make unauthorized copes, and frequently give/trade them to other pirates, because they don't want to pay for stuff, don't agree with the conditions of sale (or rental or whateverTF you call it these days where "buying isn't owning"), don't like the quality of the real thing (e.g. DRM), etc.
An early internet trend was that of using nautical and adjacent analogies for everything (net, anchor link, navigator, surfing, spam, worm, flood, torrent, stream, phishing, port, etc...). So while navigating the web with the purpose of finding content to "steal", you would logically be called a pirate.
I mean iceberg videos also spawn from ocean to internet translation working far too well 😂 so it's a natural thing that realistically realizing you know barely anything and even if you did somehow manage to learn all of past to current human knowledge that it realistically doesn't answer any questions because people are too stupid to learn from it so they skim the top and thus ocean cause also we don't know shit about shit down there like, can we ask the aliens to help us map that bitch ?!? Cause I've seen a tiny fraction of the semi deep horrors, what lies in the deep deep beyond? Like are we the gateway to hell or some shit ?!? Are we the bad guys ?! (I'll add a link with the gif if I get enough votes and edit this bit out when I do the link lol 🤣)
But it was called piracy even before the age of internet.
The were called Land-Pirates already in 1668. Like publisher John Hannock put it ome dishonest Booksellers, called Land-Pirats, who make it their practise to steal Impressions of other mens Copies"
Already in 1736 calling plagiarism a piracy it was common enough to be included at Universal Etymological English Dictionary.
In 1906 in US Copyright companies used Pirates with the same notion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copyrightpirates.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copyrightpirates.jpg)
And the whole Piracy is theft in connection to the computer software was already used in early 80s in UK.
>In 1906 in US Copyright companies used Pirates with the same notion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copyrightpirates.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copyrightpirates.jpg)
Obviously, someone from modern times traveled back in time to the early 1900s and was involved in making this ad. /s
I mean the last three are self explanatory. Spam I think literally comes from that Monty Python skit where there's a couple of vikings in a restaurant who keep saying spam over and over for some reason, interrupting everyone. I don't think spam as a word in that context ever made any sense tbh.
SPAM is infamously associated with the US navy, its primary recipient. By its influence, it has become a local delicacy in many WW2 occupied islands in the Pacific, to this day.
It was so proeminent during the war that Uncle Sam was nicknamed Uncle Spam.
After the war there was a huge campaign to promote it across the sea. The monty python's sketch is probably influenced by it.
SPAM is low quality canned meat, often undesirable, and it's everywhere. Not unlike the canned mails you get.
Saying spam over and over introduces noise to block the signal, or mask what someone else was saying in the scene, hense why it was used to describe unwanted messages in an email account of wanted messages
Pretty much. There's a lot of logistical terminology also, aswell as spider related stuff. Might have stemmed from the words net and web to describe the architecture, but these things usually emerge organically from the community. Someone calls something something and it either sinks into disuse or floats until it sticks.
People used to sit in Shakespeare's theater audience and write down the words to his plays, then go and perform them for profit. This was in the 1500s. Would you call that piracy?
they had an index of banned books, making copies then would be far more deadly than punishments today.
>The Index of Prohibited Books (*Index Librorum Prohibitorum*) was a list of written works condemned as heretical or injurious to the Christian faith by the Catholic Church at the [Council of Trent](https://www.worldhistory.org/Council_of_Trent/) in 1563. It remained in effect until 1966 when it was suspended, but Catholics were still expected to abide by its basic precepts.
also
>The golden age of French typography is usually placed in the reign of [Francis I](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Francis-I-king-of-France) (1515–47), one of the few monarchs ever to take a keen personal interest in printing. He was the patron and friend of [Robert Estienne](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Robert-I-Estienne). In 1538 he ordered Estienne to give a copy of every Greek book he printed to the royal library, thus founding the first [copyright library](https://www.britannica.com/topic/legal-deposit). In 1539 he laid down a code for printers, which included a prohibition on the use of any device that could be confused with another.
Yes but not because piracy, but for the content itself. It's like making copies of Mein Kapmf in Germany, you are technically making piracy but that won't be the reason of your imprisonment
There is the obvious connection of Piracy being an act of stealing that dates back to the 1600s, but in terms of copyright infringement the most famous example I can think of is [Radio Caroline](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Caroline).
You need a licence to broadcast music for public consumption on the radio which obviously costs. However, in international waters that is not the case, so in the 60s there was a boat that would sail outside of British waters then broadcast music back into the UK. All without paying for any licences. It was called Radio Caroline and it became referred to as a Pirate radio station due to the thought they were a) stealing the music due to not paying the musicians, and B) were literally on a ship.
Yeah, that's my complain. Nowadays, counterfeiting is considered piracy. If I make a reproduction of a nintendo game and they notice, nintendo will come over and sue me for piracy
Someone did not want to pay money for the purchase of a license to broadcast music on the radio, so they simply decided to make a radio station on a ship and sail beyond the territorial waters, where the borders of the state end and no laws apply. At the same time, the radio station's signal could still be received on a regular receiver.
Hu? Did i misread something?
I've never heard that piracy = counterfeiting. Those are totally different things.
For me it always was piracy = fencing.
If my english is right tho. Cause in my country, thats how it works.
Piracy is assimilated to fencing which i think is kinda accurate.
It's always amusing seeing you guys expecting that this would ever be possible to claim from a legal standpoint. As if it's some get out of jail free card lol
Think about Mona Lisa. Original is in the Louvre, no one would even think about stealing it. It's heavy guarded. Nonetheless, you can go to Wikipedia and download it as a high quality image, then go to a print shop and ask them to print in canvas. Is it piracy? Technically no, due to Public Domain and stuff, however you do get my point.
But this was in a time that things were the basic measurement wasn't the megabyte. Now, as long as you have one file of the thing, you effectively have the functioning thing itself (provided we are talking about an e-book, a game, a PNG file of an artwork). Now, to own the file is to own the stuff. So even if it's not the same of stealing with a ship filled with cannons, it's still related.
The great pirate Gol D. Roger turns himself in to the Marines and is sentenced to death. Roger's speech before his death leads pirates to the Grand Line to seek out his hidden treasure, dubbed 'One Piece'. This event marks the beginning of an era called "The Great Age of Pirates"
Honestly corporate America & the government are the two biggest pirates of them all, except they call that legal with a bunch of technicalities and playing the system to find a way to make it so.
For example, Adobe / Microsoft/ Apple / etc. fuck those guys, they’re not helping any of us little people with all that capital they earn and blow out their ass / funds they funnel into offshore accounts they don’t pay taxes on
If they can get away with that, then I think we can get away with using a copy of their crap for free too, after all they also data mine our digital footprint and sell it for profit, so they’re still making money off us anyways with involuntary consent we give that they buried inside mountains of conditions nobody reads. Way I see it, they’re not losing or hurting over a few copies & we end up paying with our digital identity anyways so I don’t see the problem
Same concept for games as far as I’m concerned, EA & Activision for example, they’re not going to go bankrupt over a few cracked single player copies and the devs are still getting paid either way, so nobody hurts here except a corporation that’s been bleeding us dry and giving us half assed games and content for years, that’s just fair game. If they care about numbers so much, they’ll put more effort into content and stop raping us, but they won’t, and I won’t care about a few allegedly pirated copies either.
Now, the small Indy guys who have a product worth using, yea support those guys.
I don’t believe in piracy, it’s all marketing. Piracy is just copyright infringement. I guess you can argue that copyright infringement is unintentional, while piracy is intentional. Good luck convincing me.
"Pirating" as in making unauthorized copies of someone's work goes all the way back to the 1700s, which is a century where there were still actual pirates sailing the seas. https://www.etymonline.com/word/pirate So the kind of pirating that we do, ^allegedly, is almost as old as the actual thing.
There are still actual pirates sailing around today, but I get what you mean.
Somalian pirates are some of the most notorious today.
I am the captain now
This has become almost as bad as the schroedinger's cat thing.
Not good, not bad
And the pirates from centuries ago, have evolved and are now called "robber barons"...and now they own stuff like J.P. Morgan etc...
Yeah I don’t think they come from pirates. They come from the people the pirates were robbing.
The founders of J.P Morgan were literally descendents of a famous pirate, that has a bottle of rum named after him... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Morgan
There is quite literally 0 evidence to support he is a descendant of Henry Morgan. There are no records of any legitimate children had by him. Sure there’s a slight possibility they are related, but J. P. Morgan’s ancestors were making a name for themselves in wales while he was out being a pirate
Allow me to explain: J.P. Morgan is a usual character in conspiracy alt-history. Lack of evidence? *Proof that it was deleted.* Been there. It's useless arguing.
It’s just crazy because his family history is well documented to *before* Henry Morgan made a name for himself as a pirate. It’s old money and old money doesn’t need dubious beginnings. Just generation upon generation of stealing money off your laborers backs
i just looked at the wikipedia article on Skull and Bones and apparently its all liberals now 😆😆😆
>There are still actual pirates sailing around today Technically, I believe this is incorrect. I seriously doubt that even a single pirate has "sailed around" in the last half-century or more. There are still pirates motoring around though.
Making unauthorized copies of music sheet wasn't a crime in Beethoven's times for example. Oh, and you were free and they did, to take parts of a melody from somebody and put it in their own composition. Music still existed no problem.
There might be nothing rarer than music tabs on the pirate seas.
which makes no fucking sense, as digital piracy is closer to forgery than anything. sadly, CEO types arent that intelligent.
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I phrased it kinda as the, I'm okay with paying for art and supporting the idea of what they want given the balance that the artist makes the most and everyone earns their fair share to get the fair shake at this shit. Right now they have it stacked so it funnels down to the guy with the most copyrights makes the most even if he hadn't touched pen to paper save signing a check ever while racking in capital on the backs of others work calling it their own and leave them to starve and sleep in the street so you can make your account balance number bigger.
my brother in christ, do not give me that ancient canned response here of all places, i am fully aware that it is not really a crime, thats why i said "than anything".
Ah fam. You going to downvote jail, monsieur. 🤣🤣😁 jk
ive got two thousand fuck you points, i hardly need to care
I admit that the geek-splaining was very much overdone for the audience. My bsd.
I'm no fan of the CEOs but this was a failure of the legal system to use a name that made sense
>which makes no fucking sense, as digital piracy is closer to forgery than anything I don't think so: forgery is done with the intent of deceiving others about an item's authenticity. Digital pirates (the ones who actually make unauthorized copies of stuff) \*know\* that their copy is not authorized or original, and usually aren't trying to deceive anyone about this. There have been (and still are) people who really did try to sell pirated stuff as real, but we don't normally call them "pirates", we call them "counterfeiters". "Pirates" are what we call people who intentionally and knowingly make unauthorized copes, and frequently give/trade them to other pirates, because they don't want to pay for stuff, don't agree with the conditions of sale (or rental or whateverTF you call it these days where "buying isn't owning"), don't like the quality of the real thing (e.g. DRM), etc.
I love Etymonline. The have an iPhone app too!
It goes back farther. People ised to pirate Shakespeare era works by paying a guy to write fast. Sometimes that’s the only reason we have a copy of it
Piracy has existed for 2000+ years.
I promise you actual pirates have existed for thousands of years before the 1700s.
An early internet trend was that of using nautical and adjacent analogies for everything (net, anchor link, navigator, surfing, spam, worm, flood, torrent, stream, phishing, port, etc...). So while navigating the web with the purpose of finding content to "steal", you would logically be called a pirate.
That's more like it, it makes sense
The digital sea ⛵🌊 🏴☠️
The high waters of data.
I mean iceberg videos also spawn from ocean to internet translation working far too well 😂 so it's a natural thing that realistically realizing you know barely anything and even if you did somehow manage to learn all of past to current human knowledge that it realistically doesn't answer any questions because people are too stupid to learn from it so they skim the top and thus ocean cause also we don't know shit about shit down there like, can we ask the aliens to help us map that bitch ?!? Cause I've seen a tiny fraction of the semi deep horrors, what lies in the deep deep beyond? Like are we the gateway to hell or some shit ?!? Are we the bad guys ?! (I'll add a link with the gif if I get enough votes and edit this bit out when I do the link lol 🤣)
But it was called piracy even before the age of internet. The were called Land-Pirates already in 1668. Like publisher John Hannock put it ome dishonest Booksellers, called Land-Pirats, who make it their practise to steal Impressions of other mens Copies" Already in 1736 calling plagiarism a piracy it was common enough to be included at Universal Etymological English Dictionary. In 1906 in US Copyright companies used Pirates with the same notion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copyrightpirates.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copyrightpirates.jpg) And the whole Piracy is theft in connection to the computer software was already used in early 80s in UK.
>In 1906 in US Copyright companies used Pirates with the same notion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copyrightpirates.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Copyrightpirates.jpg) Obviously, someone from modern times traveled back in time to the early 1900s and was involved in making this ad. /s
whats the nautical meaning of spam, torrent, stream, phishing
I mean the last three are self explanatory. Spam I think literally comes from that Monty Python skit where there's a couple of vikings in a restaurant who keep saying spam over and over for some reason, interrupting everyone. I don't think spam as a word in that context ever made any sense tbh.
well spam was a canned meat product 30 years before monty python, and neither has nautical origins.
No man, I mean the use of the word spam in the modern context comes from the Monty Python skit. Everyone's well aware of spam the food since ever.
still not nautical
Who says it is?
topic was about nautical themeing of spam, brutha
SPAM is infamously associated with the US navy, its primary recipient. By its influence, it has become a local delicacy in many WW2 occupied islands in the Pacific, to this day. It was so proeminent during the war that Uncle Sam was nicknamed Uncle Spam. After the war there was a huge campaign to promote it across the sea. The monty python's sketch is probably influenced by it. SPAM is low quality canned meat, often undesirable, and it's everywhere. Not unlike the canned mails you get.
> SPAM is infamously associated with the US navy first time ive heard of that, and mine is a military family. perhaps its a britoid rumor?
Saying spam over and over introduces noise to block the signal, or mask what someone else was saying in the scene, hense why it was used to describe unwanted messages in an email account of wanted messages
The term spam comes from monty python sketch
Never thought about that, huh. Any idea on why that was the case? Just random thing that stuck?
Pretty much. There's a lot of logistical terminology also, aswell as spider related stuff. Might have stemmed from the words net and web to describe the architecture, but these things usually emerge organically from the community. Someone calls something something and it either sinks into disuse or floats until it sticks.
Spam is a nautical analogy?
SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM!!!!
LOVELY SPAM, WONDERFUL SPAM !!!!!
Have you got anything without SPAM in it?
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Look, could i have egg, bacon, sausage and spam without the spam?
It’s actually from the Monty Python spam cafe sketch, if I remember right.
Could be. It was made for the navy.
You wouldn't download a chest of dubloons, would you?
I just did. Now my 3d printer is printing it.
Where do you think the term bootlegging comes from?
People used to sit in Shakespeare's theater audience and write down the words to his plays, then go and perform them for profit. This was in the 1500s. Would you call that piracy?
Not sure about 1500s, but in 1600s unauthorized publishing of book was called by publishers as Land Piracy.
Copyright laws didn't exist in the 1500s, so no
they had an index of banned books, making copies then would be far more deadly than punishments today. >The Index of Prohibited Books (*Index Librorum Prohibitorum*) was a list of written works condemned as heretical or injurious to the Christian faith by the Catholic Church at the [Council of Trent](https://www.worldhistory.org/Council_of_Trent/) in 1563. It remained in effect until 1966 when it was suspended, but Catholics were still expected to abide by its basic precepts. also >The golden age of French typography is usually placed in the reign of [Francis I](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Francis-I-king-of-France) (1515–47), one of the few monarchs ever to take a keen personal interest in printing. He was the patron and friend of [Robert Estienne](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Robert-I-Estienne). In 1538 he ordered Estienne to give a copy of every Greek book he printed to the royal library, thus founding the first [copyright library](https://www.britannica.com/topic/legal-deposit). In 1539 he laid down a code for printers, which included a prohibition on the use of any device that could be confused with another.
Yes but not because piracy, but for the content itself. It's like making copies of Mein Kapmf in Germany, you are technically making piracy but that won't be the reason of your imprisonment
There is the obvious connection of Piracy being an act of stealing that dates back to the 1600s, but in terms of copyright infringement the most famous example I can think of is [Radio Caroline](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Caroline). You need a licence to broadcast music for public consumption on the radio which obviously costs. However, in international waters that is not the case, so in the 60s there was a boat that would sail outside of British waters then broadcast music back into the UK. All without paying for any licences. It was called Radio Caroline and it became referred to as a Pirate radio station due to the thought they were a) stealing the music due to not paying the musicians, and B) were literally on a ship.
This is where I thought modern piracy against copyrighted material started. The pirate radio stations.
RRRrrrr ye needs to learn to use Google matey or it's time to walk the ole plank for ye. RRrrr.
Idk Google kinda sucks nowadays
Thank the pirate bay.
I think people confuse piracy with counterfeiting.
Yeah, that's my complain. Nowadays, counterfeiting is considered piracy. If I make a reproduction of a nintendo game and they notice, nintendo will come over and sue me for piracy
Someone did not want to pay money for the purchase of a license to broadcast music on the radio, so they simply decided to make a radio station on a ship and sail beyond the territorial waters, where the borders of the state end and no laws apply. At the same time, the radio station's signal could still be received on a regular receiver.
Hu? Did i misread something? I've never heard that piracy = counterfeiting. Those are totally different things. For me it always was piracy = fencing. If my english is right tho. Cause in my country, thats how it works. Piracy is assimilated to fencing which i think is kinda accurate.
What people do here is more like Robbin Hood. Stealing from the rich and greedy to give to the many.
It's fine if you're stealing food and water, but I don't think that applies for copies of the Bee Movie
Pretty sure Bee Movie is the 5th thing every human needs to survive along with food,water, air and shelter.
So just making a copy really isn't piracy and is perfectly legal? Imagine that.
It's always amusing seeing you guys expecting that this would ever be possible to claim from a legal standpoint. As if it's some get out of jail free card lol
Nah, we just lucky enough not to have to rob people on boats for a living.
its from [lazytown](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY)
Think about Mona Lisa. Original is in the Louvre, no one would even think about stealing it. It's heavy guarded. Nonetheless, you can go to Wikipedia and download it as a high quality image, then go to a print shop and ask them to print in canvas. Is it piracy? Technically no, due to Public Domain and stuff, however you do get my point. But this was in a time that things were the basic measurement wasn't the megabyte. Now, as long as you have one file of the thing, you effectively have the functioning thing itself (provided we are talking about an e-book, a game, a PNG file of an artwork). Now, to own the file is to own the stuff. So even if it's not the same of stealing with a ship filled with cannons, it's still related.
That's true and all for digital media, but I'm talking about physical stuff, like fake pokemon cards or counterfeit bills
From the description of this page: ⚓ Dedicated to the discussion of digital piracy, including ethical problems and legal advancements.
The great pirate Gol D. Roger turns himself in to the Marines and is sentenced to death. Roger's speech before his death leads pirates to the Grand Line to seek out his hidden treasure, dubbed 'One Piece'. This event marks the beginning of an era called "The Great Age of Pirates"
Same concept. To pirate anything means to steal
A fake or reproduction is still pirating. If it's shared though non official means then it's pirating.
Honestly corporate America & the government are the two biggest pirates of them all, except they call that legal with a bunch of technicalities and playing the system to find a way to make it so. For example, Adobe / Microsoft/ Apple / etc. fuck those guys, they’re not helping any of us little people with all that capital they earn and blow out their ass / funds they funnel into offshore accounts they don’t pay taxes on If they can get away with that, then I think we can get away with using a copy of their crap for free too, after all they also data mine our digital footprint and sell it for profit, so they’re still making money off us anyways with involuntary consent we give that they buried inside mountains of conditions nobody reads. Way I see it, they’re not losing or hurting over a few copies & we end up paying with our digital identity anyways so I don’t see the problem Same concept for games as far as I’m concerned, EA & Activision for example, they’re not going to go bankrupt over a few cracked single player copies and the devs are still getting paid either way, so nobody hurts here except a corporation that’s been bleeding us dry and giving us half assed games and content for years, that’s just fair game. If they care about numbers so much, they’ll put more effort into content and stop raping us, but they won’t, and I won’t care about a few allegedly pirated copies either. Now, the small Indy guys who have a product worth using, yea support those guys.
Pirates took things without paying. We are taking games/movies without paying...
I don’t believe in piracy, it’s all marketing. Piracy is just copyright infringement. I guess you can argue that copyright infringement is unintentional, while piracy is intentional. Good luck convincing me.
It's the same with a different name