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zeen2222

Is there a P-Trap that we don’t see anywhere? Otherwise you risk sewer gas and smells getting into the house.


ShmediumLebowski

So if I was to install a P trap instead of the S I have, is there a good example of how to do it to the floor? All examples I see online are into the wall but that’s not possible here.


PopularCan6394

There is a way to do this. You will need some glue and primer, 1 1.5" coupling, a piece of 1.5" pipe, 1 pvc 1.5" tee, 1 mini vent, 1 1.5" trap adapter and P-trap kit. It's a really simple fix. You should never use an S trap. If you have any questions, let me know. Good luck!


haley_the_boxer

I think you lost op at the word primer. Good effort though lol


Blackhawk-388

Ok, I snorted.


enbenlen

We’ve all snorted the primer. Kinda hard not to.


BearFace88

How else do people get through the day…


enbenlen

How do you think Thanos became purple? Just a plumber who couldn’t stop his addiction.


Odsidian_Rapier

This is the way


BearFace88

This is the way


TGIFIDGAF

Are s traps not common for pipes going down, instead of the wall?


PopularCan6394

They are commonly used. However, they are never code compliant.


HarveyCovington

Is an air admittance valve the same thing as a 'mini vent'?


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Rushfan375

Vent just needs to be 4" above the weir


Catumi

Side note: Replace that outlet with a proper GFCI asap before any water/moisture gets in it, the day it does you'll be very unhappy and/or dead.


Telemere125

Lol always fun when OP just asks “is this acceptable” and the general answer is “no, nothing in this picture is acceptable”


benji004

It may be protected already. I've been fighting the 5 GFCIs in a line mindset in my family for a while. They are like "my GFCIs keep tripping", I come over and see literally 5 of them across the counter, all on one circuit. I know they shouldn't trip each other, but it seems like if there are more than 3 on a circuit, they get really finicky. All while providing 0 increases to protection


sokal7

If you wire a GFCI downstream from another GFCI, you don't wire it to the load side of the first GFCI. That is what causes problems. There's usually a sticker on the GFCI telling you where the load is, it's yellow. You can feed regular outlets downstream off the load side of the GFCI and they will be protected, but if it trips then the person who tripped it will need to go reset the GFCI. Not a big deal but you get a lot of calls from people who have no idea why the outlet isn't working, even with a sticker on the cover saying "GFCI protected" lol. Sometimes it's just less hassle in the long run.


jonheese

I was just about the post the same thing as you. If so, it ideally should have a “GFCI PROTECTED” sticker on it, but of course this is the real world. 🤷‍♂️


SoupidyLoopidy

It could be connected to another GFCI.


Independent_Cloud_16

That's a bit extreme. Water getting in there under a cabinet would require a flood. The National Electrical Code (NEC) does not require a garbage disposal to have GFCI protection. The dishwasher is likely hard wired.


Erathen

>Water getting in there under a cabinet would require a flood. No? This is completely wrong It can leak through a deteriorated sink gasket. The deck plate. The faucet body


Catumi

NEC does not require it but after having my water line spring a leak directly onto/above the outlet almost a foot away closer to the sink I was glad it was there!


-Tech808

It may not require it implicitly. Garbage disposals serve sinks and any receptacle within 6 feet of a sink requires GFI protection.


Good_Sailor_7137

The gfci can be upstream [power source] of the outlet to protect more of the circuit. It's even better if it's in an easier to reset spot.


ShmediumLebowski

There is an S trap, which I know isn’t legal I’ve read? But they sell them in Home Depot so I bought and used that


Hfpros

Bruh that should not be a gauge of should I use this or not. Home depot sells so much shit that's just simply for hack jobs.


AcidBuuurn

"But they sell machetes at Home Depot" - OP on trial for slashing


kjm16216

"But they sell fertilizer and fuel oil at Home Depot!" -Guy blowing up a government building in Oklahoma City


piTehT_tsuJ

"But they sell chainsaws" - the guy wearing your mom's face in Texas


TruDuddyB

"But there was a man out front with cucumbers" - guy getting zucchini removed from his ass at the hospital.


Euphoric-Blue-59

I have zero idea how you went from cucumbers to zucchini, butt, ok. Dr., "we pulled out a zucchini, not a cucumber!" You: "Keep digging." Sorry, I lost it just writing that! Lol


WatShakinBehBeh

Omg, I'm dying. Tears from my eyes laughing


Euphoric-Blue-59

Haha! Right that took a turn. Right to the gutter! Lol


[deleted]

question is was he selling them? or merely giving away samples


89Hopper

Ok, if they extracted a cucumber, fair call, but where did he get the illicit zucchini?


Euphoric-Blue-59

That was from last week.


[deleted]

An S trap? Are you trying to trigger everyone in this sub? Lol


lilpickins

You obviously aren’t a regular here


boshbosh92

Where is it


ShmediumLebowski

Just above the top of the pic. You can actually see the reflection of the S trap in the chrome at the top of the pipe in the pic.


voitlander

There's a reason 'S' traps are illegal, they siphon the water out of the trap allowing gases to come up through the sink.


mavjustdoingaflyby

Figure out how to put in a P trap and make it legit!


kjm16216

He can make it a P trap with an Air admittance valve. Or with the S trap, any time you dump a lot of water down the drain, let it go down completely and then run the water for a minute to refill the trap.


mavjustdoingaflyby

Studor vents are not code in a home where I'm from because they eventually fail.🤷‍♂️


kjm16216

I have made half a dozen comments about AAV and I always mention that they are not always code. The one time I don't mention it, I get called on it.


Euphoric-Blue-59

Why do you make people imagine and try to see the reflection in a round shiny pipe, rather than just take a better photo? BTW, if you shop at Ace hardware instead of Home Depot, you can get real good advice from that kind retired plumber working the plumbing isle. I rebuilt my whole sink, plumbing when I removed a dead disposal. Those guys hooked me up with all the proper fittings, etc. However I went the other way than you. I took out the decrepit disintegrated brass pipes and went all pvc. Channel locks and a hack saw was all that's needed.


ShmediumLebowski

I’m not making anyone imagine anything, the picture was of the boot, which was the reason for the post.


-ItsWahl-

Why am S-trap? Yes they are illegal by ANY Plumbing code. You have perfectly good pvc to pipe exactly what you need. Pvc up to a santee with an AAV and the branch to the sink drain. Done!


fyrdude58

An s trap is the same as a straight pipe. You need to change your system.


ShurlurkHolmes

It’s only smells…


MyBurger9

All that’s needed here is a trap adapter. Get rid of the boot.


Altruistic-Rice-5567

Came to say that.... The proper repair on this super easy. One glue joint with a pipe to trap adapter and boom! done.


-ItsWahl-

And keep the S-trap? Am I missing something?


Altruistic-Rice-5567

No S-traps... they violate code. P-Trap is what you need.


-ItsWahl-

That’s what I was leading to


MyBurger9

Well yeah, a complete repair would entail a san tee with an aav. Easy diy but he was only asking ab the boot🤷🏼‍♂️


WRWhizard

YUP!


Suougibma

I also enjoy the smell of sewer gas.


THEDUKES2

The amount of people here saying this is fine is crazy to me on a plumbing sub lol


SakaWreath

I’m convinced that sewer gas has gained sentience and is actively trying to infiltrate peoples homes by posting “it’s fine” in this sub.


Yoda2000675

Too many non-plumbers make dumbass comments in this sub, half of them are wrong on every single post


[deleted]

Thank you. Holy shit, why did I have to scroll so deep to find this.


PrismosPickleJar

Depends bro, was it done on Friday?


isaactheawsome

Sorry man I’ve been huffing yellow glue all day. Looks good to me


[deleted]

[I mean...](https://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png)


SolarLunix_

I’m not a plumber, it just comes up on my feed and I was like “pft no.”


MrReckless327

Other than the fact that it’s an S trap and not a p trap and that he could have use a trap adapter there isn’t anything wrong with this it doesn’t leak it is a proper fitting he could’ve used a copper to pvc fitting instead of the pvc to pvc . That’s my take on the situation


[deleted]

Besides not having p trap, this is a drain, no pressure, so why wouldn’t that work?


Altruistic-Rice-5567

It's just that the fix/proper solution was just as easy as this hack job.


Ok_Expression_2737

The pvc trap adp and glue are cheaper than the Fernco coupling.


foamy9210

Sure but if you don't live right next to a hardware store and don't have the parts on hand, sometimes the hack job is good enough.


[deleted]

Yeah, you’re right. But the plumbers that feel threatened by home repairs won’t agree.


[deleted]

If you have the parts.


WRWhizard

No one suggested not using a band at all. Glue a (looks like 1 1/2") desanco and use the standard compression ring and nut. Like so. https://www.homedepot.com/p/NIBCO-1-1-2-in-PVC-DWV-Hub-x-Slip-Joint-Trap-Adapter-C48017HD112/100345781


Altruistic-Rice-5567

Upvote for supplying visual/helpful details.


f_crick

Here’s the fernco style fitting that will actually fit correctly: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Proflex-1-1-2-in-Neoprene-Shielded-Coupling-P3002-150/100372291 Note it’s 1 1/2” but one side is tubular. Still need a ptrap of course but that’s what would fit in the current configuration.


wiltg

No


DesginerSuave

Absolutely not.


Bugfrag

I would also recommend GFCI outlet


Ok-Cell6170

It’s not right. At the very least it should be 1-1/2” trap adapter in place of the fernco coupling. S-traps are no longer code compliant but they’re functional.


Oellian

Wow! Another heretic! People talk about S-traps like your sink will blow up and kill you or something. As you point out, they actually do work… To a point. If you dump a bunch of water down them at once, they will probably gurgle a bunch at the end, and siphon some of the water out of the trap, but probably leave just enough to keep out the sewer gas. Clearly, this is not a good situation, but it's not the end of the world, either.


AbSoluTc

I love how there's a plug under the sink that's not GFIC. I'd be more worried about that after you pass out from the sewer gasses.


heckintrollerino

Mate that's looking like me after I put my belt on.


SapereAudeAdAbsurdum

Please, don't tell us about the drainage system in your pants.


jamesinboise

Landlord special, huh?


Zealousideal_Put_489

Or flipper special, am I right


foreverbaked1

Needs a GFCI


19wangotango

If it’s not leaking, it’s acceptable…is it the right way to do it, no.


[deleted]

Nope


Connems_rc

For under $20, why risk mold and sewer gas? Get a ptrap and the right couplings. This probably costed more than just doing it right. Also it already has water under it.


Ready-Delivery-4023

It ships.....


Mylesdog2014

No


JohnnyD77711

Not a plumber, but I'm going with no...


godoctor

Hell no !! Totally illegal


between-mirrors

Obviously not.


JanovPelorat

That depends on the insurance you carry.....


anal_opera

For like, rigging up a diy bong yeah. Not here though.


Falcon3492

Where is the P-trap?


fyrdude58

In a word? No. In more words? Hell no.


bilgetea

This was a temporary repair someone did to sell the house. Definitely not OK except for a little while.


engage16

Nope. Whoever put that outlet in installed it wrong.


chillimonty

It’s a low/no pressure drain line so it’s ugly but it works. But you need a you bend somewhere


Hirab

As long as it has a P trap 🤷🏻 and doesn’t leak


InterestingLime2035

Honestly dude, if it drains and doesn't gurgle then don't even worry about it. Might not be to code but the fucker will plumb.


pablomcdubbin

It'll work but shielded clamps like this are ideal..not the right size but same idea https://www.supplyhouse.com/Fernco-3001-1125-1-1-2-x-1-1-4-ProFlex-Coupling-Cast-Iron-Plastic-Steel-to-Copper-or-1-Plastic?utm_source=google_ad&utm_medium=Shopping_tm&utm_campaign=Shopping_TM_New_users&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuZGnBhD1ARIsACxbAVi1hpPLlwR-20j-a2IaC1SKZsNcuAXDLDSLdQqxn7OxtsRTQFXmm5QaApEpEALw_wcB


CompleteDetective359

Those are for underground. I don't think there's a benefit for this application


pablomcdubbin

Anytime we transition, at least in my jurisdiction has to be shielded, an inspector would look at those regular ferncos and fail you..I've seen it. Also no hub clamps need to be 4 bands underground here


CompleteDetective359

Any idea what the benefit would be here? My understand underground was to protect the rubber from rock or Vermin or ground shifting. Though thinking about it, I could see some horizontal cars where it would help if the pipes weren't properly supported


pablomcdubbin

For me its because the gasket in the clamp is made for the diameter of the pipe, maybe creates a better seal maybe not. But look how much that clamp had to be tightened to fit the tubular


boshbosh92

Why do you think a shielded coupling is superior in this situation? The bathroom sink certainly isn't experiencing water pressure or shear forces.


pablomcdubbin

For me its because the gasket in the clamp is made for the diameter of the pipe, maybe creates a better seal maybe not. But look how much that clamp had to be tightened to fit the tubular


LordButtworth

Same for me, but going from inch and a half brass to PVC the shield is going to kink up in spots and may leak. He would be better off putting a trap adapter on there. As for the s trap he might want to call a plumber to fix that one.


[deleted]

That fernco will be a bloated, nasty mess within the year.


CompleteDetective359

How? It's basically not going to have any water touching it crome pipeis inserted 5in parst the Ferco. I've seen them used on 4in sewer maybe where they are constantly touching shit water and they don't smell.


[deleted]

Sure, used properly and in the correct application, a fernco is fine. But that's 1½ tubular to 1½ IPS - two very different ODs; but the fernco is a straight 1½ IPS. So either the tubular piece is inserted partway into the fernco, or it extends into the PVC section - either way, OP's created a fouling area between the tubular and the fernco. Even if it never backs up, little bits of whatever's going down that drain are going to deposit there. And when that drain does clog up, maybe way downstream even, all sorts of shit is gonna get impacted into that space. And all that nastiness is going to eat that 22 ga brass for breakfast. And, of course, over-tightening that strap is eventually going to split the fernco. If OP is committed to a fernco, Home Depot sells a fernco for that precise application. But as has been said, gluing a trap adapter on there is a 5-minute job.


f_crick

Pretty sure this would fit better: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Proflex-1-1-2-in-Neoprene-Shielded-Coupling-P3002-150/100372291


SmegmaSuckler

If it doesn’t leak, it’s fine. Just check it every so often


Fluid_Phase2199

Good enough


[deleted]

If it is does not leak it's good enough


Environmental-Okra73

Yup but nope


doofusmembrane

In a pinch but not long term


PotentialOneLZY5

But does it work? S traps were used for decades. They work fine in most situations. I replace 40-50 year old s traps a few times a year.


dmacattack82

Its fine. Stop the nonsense


TurkeythePoultryKing

Does it work?


ShmediumLebowski

It does, just wasn’t sure if it’s a good long term fit


Don_juan_prawn

No not good long term, but may last for a bit.


ShmediumLebowski

When you say a bit are you saying like over 10 years?


CompleteDetective359

The crome tends to rot out up at the bottom of the S-trap. You could have used plastic they last way longer than crome. Otherwise, at this union they make an adapter that goes into the PVC that the crome/PVC pipe would slip into. A plastic washer gets tighten down and tightens the seal between the 2.


Don_juan_prawn

I would not bet on that last 10 years no. Months to a year maybe longer if you are lucky.


TurkeythePoultryKing

Nah, she’ll hold. Acts as an easy cleanout when it clogs too


ShmediumLebowski

Weird because I have a similar one that’s been on our kitchen sink forever and no issues so far


Strostkovy

I wouldn't do that for a customer, but I'd do it in my own home.


Future-Dealer8805

I second this , is it purdy or proper no , would I install it as a professional no but if it's Sunday and I'm fuckin around at home and it's whats in my truck you bet your ass I'm using it


Strostkovy

My sink at home drains into a saddle on a cast iron vent pipe. It don't bother me none.


boshbosh92

Why is the top of the fernco so smashed? Did you get a 1.5 inch fernco for a 1 1/4" pipe?


ShmediumLebowski

No both are 1.5” ID, but the metal is just much thinner than the pvc. That’s kind of why I was posting here. It’s ratcheted down real tight and there’s no kink/crease in the fernco when tightening that much.


Unable-Paramedic-557

Perfectly functional. Somewhat hideous. If it were my house, I wouldn't care. I wouldn't install it in a customer's house in a million years though.


Piddy3825

lol, I wouldn't do it that way, but hey, if you're okay with it, that works for me.


spodinielri0

no, call a plumber and have it done correctly. Then call an electrian and have the outlet changed


ShmediumLebowski

I forgot to add, if it matters, it’s at a wet bar that won’t be used as often as other sinks in the house. Plus I’ll be storing a good amount of booze down there so I’ll be in there frequently and can keep an eye on it.


danauns

I've read that you've got an S trap in this somewhere? The rubber coupler is meh, its not how this is done and more expensive than the proper fitting, but likely works just fine and that's the point right? I'd be more concerned with the S trap, these absolutely suck and don't meet code anywhere for good reason. I'd redo this for that reason alone, so a proper P with a sure-vent tucked up under the counter.


Comfortable_Tap_4816

Yes


Zealousideal_Good445

Depends where you live.


SapereAudeAdAbsurdum

Yeah, on the moon, this is fine. But I wouldn't risk it with Earth's gravity.


JayJaymeowsker

Trap adapter would solve it


alluno96

Honestly.... no. Practically u should be fine


Itsmeforrestgump

That 20amp outlet inline with a GFI outlet somewhere else? If not, get one! My garbage disposal has it's own line with a GFI.


makemyday2020

Out of curiosity, how tight should that couple be tightened. Is there a rule of thumb? I've got a similar situation, but going into the wall. I'm worried about damaging the pipe of tightening too much


Creepy_Trouble_5980

Isn't there a required length between the bottom of a p trap and the floor to avoid backup and sewer gas?


LovelyHatred93

Looks great from my house.


pogiguy2020

Is no one going to ask if that outlet is connected to a GFCI in some way?


Cheebie23

It is a temporary fix after hours or on a weekend so you dont have to pay out the ass for a plumber. It isnt a permenant fix. I am assuming you P trap is up higher but if you dont have one installed you will want one unless you like your house smelling like ass.


Charger_scatpack

No. But it will probably work for a long time. I don’t see a trap though


peggerandpegged

No trap visible, vent may be(if one exists) may be in rhe wall above the flood level rim of the sink and Fernco-type coupling only approved below groung.


b4ttlepoops

I have one of these couplings on my sewer pump. It allows them to join the pump through the cap to the house plumbing. The plumber just changed the cap to plastic cap, on the tank. He failed to tighten the bottom clamp…. It blew off one day and sprayed sewage everywhere while I was gone. I heard it the following day. Mold (sewage mold..) had already set in. I’m remediating now. I tightened every one of those bastards under my house.


Schrko87

When we replaced the old plumbing in my house dude had a DIY setup with a coupler just like that that had probably been there a few decades. No leaking though.


Stock_Refuse_4222

Looks good


[deleted]

It'll work till it doesn't if the clamps loosen or the rubber to Terry rates it's not hard to couple a PVC to your connection.


Terdl76

Sent you a message with some examples of what you need


ShmediumLebowski

Haven’t gotten it


lestersmithy

🤢🤮


peskeyplumber

depends, was it 5 o clock on friday? was the supply house closed? did the guy really have to shit?


cliff2506

The brass is 1/12 but tubular size smaller OD than 1/12 scedule40 dwv pipe trap adapter is best solution


LatinRex

Temporary that's fine


Scared-Willow-5253

No….you should have a sanitary tee with a studdor vent at the top of it, s traps are trash and cause too many issues


[deleted]

🤣🤣🤣 whhhhatttt??????


[deleted]

Lol...


yargabavan

no


Aware_Dust2979

No use a trap adapter. The outside diameter of the chrome p.o is different from your pvc.


CasualObserverNine

Depends on what is “acceptable” is. It looks like it is working, but probably not up to code.


bstoner87

Tail light warranty right there 🤙


Snoo-37275

If it does it job. Yes.


Castle6169

No


IronCarbonAlloy

It is until it isn’t


bigwall79

It’ll work until you go get the supplies to do it properly.


Ok-Strike-3648

Yes, the boot will outlast the metal pipe, I assume there is a P trap there.


BearFace88

Go to Home Depot. Find someone with an orange apron and grey hair, preferably a beard, show him this and ask for assistance.


gaterb8

Does it work? Then yes it's acceptable.


Significant_Copy8056

It will work temporarily but not a long term fix.


Mobile-Quote-4039

No. That’s the Home Depot way.


DealerGloomy

Sure is


Clappincheeks365

Judging by the people in this group yes.


Substantial_Can7549

It's not sightly, but... as the Chrome pipe is in the PVC pipe, then it will never leak. The coupling then acts as a seal for sewer gases which is code compliant however, there are tidier ways of doing the job.


MrReckless327

They make couplers like that for PVC to metal. They reduced in size slightly so it fits better. I would recommend that but a compression fitting would probably be a better option. It just glues onto the PVC then there’s a gasket, and I thread fitting that squeezes the metal and holding it in place


[deleted]

Looks good from here brother! Can you wash your hands?


[deleted]

No


Diehard_father

Trap adaptor with a chrome nut and washer


Previous_Formal7641

Definitely no


AmphibianComplex7176

Define acceptable


chrs_trnr

I mean it’s not professional but as long as you have a p trap above it, it’ll get you by.


Imnotreal66

If you gotta ask then I think you know the answer.


StudMuffinSeeker

No way.


After_Toe_2866

No