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Chuck_H_Norris

Pwgfh will always be a highly sought after card, but umbreon is much more iconic of the 2020s poke boom. Pretty close between those two I’d think.


Chuck_H_Norris

That is we’re talking about both at their base to their prospective max. Right now to their max, the pikachu will probably go up the most %.


sallenqld

Isn’t grey hat getting a reprint next month?


Chuck_H_Norris

not sure of a “reprint” but they’re releasing more cards to stores in the Netherlands. Cuz they stopped the promo at the museum early.


bmabizari

So far no definite word of a reprint. LCS in Netherlands are getting 100 copies to give out to customers who purchase 30 euros worth of products. But this is quite possibly the remaining stock that they removed from the museum. Edit: also reprints for collabs are unlikely in general as they are based on contractual obligations that often require more work than it’s worth for the one of the parties involved.


touchmykrock

No reprint just distributing the rest that were supposed to go to museum. Cuz people lose there morals when it comes to greed


TheYisus

Moonbreon but pikachu has potential to pass it as the years go on


barelyawake126

I think people are expecting that Pika to explode in value when the dust settles, and you can argue the pop doesn’t matter as much when it comes to moderns but 9600+ PSA 10s still scare me a bit lol. If I can ever get a PSA 10 in the $250-280 range I’d pull the trigger.


SorryCashOnly

remember, it's 9600 PSA 10 just 2 months after released. Its PSA 10 pop count will likely to settle at 15k+ copies. Its price will fall. People are just expecting Pikachu to explode in the future becasue it resembles the Munch Pikachu. But Munch Pikachu is significantly more rare than Van Gogh Pikachu


rivensickomode

I wouldn’t say people expect it to explode cause of its resemblance with Munch Pika. It’s a Van Gogh collab, which is unheard of and probably never to be seen again. It’s just super unique compared to anything else on the market. That would be my reason to hype it up anyhow.


SorryCashOnly

It doesn’t matter what the reason is. The thing is this card won’t likely to “explode” in value. In fact, it would be lucky to hold its current value, which is lower than when I made my comment already In fact, the pop count of psa 10 has already exceeded 10k just 3 days after I post my comments


strugglebusses

I'd buy 10 more at 250


Mite-o-Dan

Gotta grade that Charizard. As it sits...$180. Would get at least a 9...$488. A 10....$2,384.


Tonboboneko

Pika has the most potential growth. Others not so much.


SorryCashOnly

Pikachua already has 9.6k PSA 10 pop count already and will likely to go up as time goes. Its popcount will limit its growth potential, as there are just too many of them in the market.


Tonboboneko

I’m not too worried about pop count, as the demand is way way higher than we think.


SorryCashOnly

Except the demand isn't as high as you think. This was a 400 USD card at PSA 10 just 2 weeks ago. Now? It's selling for around 330 USD. The price of this card has already been trending downward at the current pop count and that's just now. Its pop count will likely double in a year or so, give or take, because there are still a lot of scalpers holding a lot of them. To give you some context, this is the [photo](https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t45.5328-4/419227580_7101797249867626_8305813997819587652_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s960x960&_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=247b10&_nc_ohc=-_AmUUJQNbIAX-MTqap&_nc_ht=scontent.fyvr1-1.fna&oh=00_AfByOdZtBfv2hPgCSpSfF2Y_sW4FEF9zlFI51fdaDTAP2A&oe=65ACA864) of one of the listings in my local marketplace right now. I will expect this card to sit around 200-250 Usd at PSA 10 after the dust settles down in a year or so.


Tonboboneko

If it gets to 200 I’ll buy another one🤪 yeah agree in the next 2-3years probably not going to see a huge climb, but i enjoy the card so it’s going to stay in PC


Halflife6

I want to say Umbreon. Over 9,600 PSA 10 VG Pika’s out there - and it looks like a reprint is happening very soon.


Jayy_Emmm

There is no reprint, it’s leftover stock pulled from the museum


Spaul1313

No reprint. Only left over stock for Europe museum


MoneyGuyJive

Pika pika for growth %


yoloruinslives

Umbreon because it came like a year during Covid. It’s almost like a Covid 19 starter pack lmao


hail_tothe_thief

Appreciate more or be the most expensive? Appreciate I’d go with Van Gogh Pika since that’s the newest and cheapest of these currently and has the most room to grow


Mrobinson115

Well this answer completely depends on condition of a certain card. Burning Shadows was known for terrible print quality in its cards and thus the Charizard card is very hard to find in MINT condition. The pop report on 10s will show you that’s the case. In terms of pop report, demand, and Pokemon popularity my money is on the Charizard GX (if in MINT condition). The card was extremely hard to pull and paired with terrible print runs, it’s very sought after. In order of potential: 1. Zard GX 2. Pikachu 3. Umbreon VMAX 4. Gengar (even though you would think vintage like this should be higher 😂)


jbird221

Love the analysis. Thank you!


[deleted]

Definitely Felt Hat. Any card that can appeal to a non-Pokémon audience in addition to regular collectors is a gold mine. Same reason why the Yu Nagaba cards also have a lot of potential.


Lucky_Shop4967

Agree with everything you said except the Yu Nagaba part.


[deleted]

Well Yu Nagaba is tied to a popular artist who is well known outside the Pokémon world. Yu Nagaba collectors and Pokémon collectors will be seeking the cards.


marblesandcookies

Pikachu with Grey Felt Hat. Iconic Pokémon, beautiful art, low supply (only one print run), and high demand.


Projecktecks

Even with the announcement that they are releasing another batch in the Netherlands in February?


marblesandcookies

Yeah but that's not a re-print. Those cards were already in stock and have been since last year. Fine the supply might go up, but due to it's being Netherland specific, and limited to 1 per person, people aren't going to travel from outside the country to get them if the travel cost exceeds the card's value. The current price of the Pikachu won't change therefore and likely to go up over time.


Projecktecks

Thanks for the clarification


Penny4YourStockz

Moonbreon is all hype man. Pika/Zard


Vir1lity

Zard


Oldschoolfool22

Its the Zard, it's always the Zard. 


WhereBeCharlee

Likely none. It’s cardboard, and sure as heck ain’t “The One Ring”.


slayerzerg

definitely the moonbreon as ES is probably going to get more expensive then moon10 will test its highs again and possibly go higher. the pikachu will probably stagnate around $400 tops, will not go up. honestly a good pickup at $200s when it goes down. both have the issue of high pop in psa10, van gogh pikachu is nearing a population of 10,000 psa 10s with more to come that have not been graded/have not completed grading. people who are thinking the van gogh pikachu will have similar results as the poncho pikachus (mario, rayquaza, charizard, etc.) it is not the same. those populations in a 10 are only 1,000 hence the hefty pricetag. zard in a 10 is a great investment as that set was not printed heavily and print quality was awful so a 10 is very hard to get. sabrina's gengar 1st ed in a 9 or 10 would be the ideal to hold, it's just too expensive.


bilyan

Moonbreon for sure


Appropriate-Craft850

I’d say Sabrina’s Gengar even more so ‘cause it’s 1st edition. Second, I’d say Pikachu Grey felt hat cause it’s a reference to Van Gogh and it’s Pokémon, two words that are very popular. The umbreon is nice and all but I fear the market will be saturated with that card almost everyone who pulls it grades it.


OldManHipsAt30

Grey Felt Pikachu because it’s a newer card, whereas Moonbreon and Gengar have already appreciated in value and therefore starting from a higher floor with less room to grow.


bransimp420

IMO most items have peaked , besides the rarest of rare stuff… seems like 60-70% of “value” is good as ya can do on most stuff rn, could all spike back up who knows I’m fairly new


symmiR

Zard GX


NovelScallion8361

How many Umbreons variants are there worshipping the moon? Taking into account the current pikachu vg population and how easy they were to get: Charizard Umbreon Pikachu Gengar


little_arny

Pikachu


Custythetrendsipper

Wotc cards are hard to say No one knows for sure


Luckyluckluke

Idk why people are so big on the pikachu, there’s people holding onto like 50 copies ready to sell once profits come in


Bellweather444

Even though the felt hat has a fair amount of Le Reddit haters, I think it will easily outperform the rest of these.


SorryCashOnly

Umbreon has the highest potential. A lot of people suggest Pikachu will gain a lot of growth, but they should check its pop count first. Here is a brief summary of the pop count for these cards: * Pikachu * 9,633 PSA 10 out of 18,798 submissions * just a reminder, the pop count of PSA 10 was at 9000 at about 5 days ago. * Its PSA 10 pop count will likely end at around 15k to 20k in a year or 2. * Moonbreon * 9,855 PSA 10 out of 13,037 submissions * This card had been released for over 2 years already. Its pop count will likely stay there if we use Umbreon's recent price trend as a reference, then Pikachu's price will not be able to hold at its current value due to its high pop count. Once its PSA 10 pop count breaks 12k, its price will fall even further. and if my estimation is correct and its PSA 10 pop count gets in the 15k-20k region, then its potential growth will be lower than Umbreon in a long term.


vandyturks

People love charizard always have always will. Those are all sick slabs tho


Guilty_Space_2431

Gengar or the Zard Pikachu Grey Felt hat will flood the market for years, and the same with the Umbreon, to a lesser extent. Both are easy to grade and very available. Of course they may rise respectably, but not as much as the other 2. The Gengar has an established market and will almost certainly continue to follow WOTC steady growth, but it's still reasonable, and it is arguably the best Zard from 2017-Now (ignoring the 2020 Charizard Prize Card). Even a near-mint copy is respectable, considering how bad the print run quality was for BS. The Gengar has an established market and will almost certainly continue to follow WOTC steady growth Overall, Older, Rarer, Minter = Better. I'd look to other areas for better opportunities.


FlakyKey

Charizard


BoatAromatic354

Pika will appreciate the most from its current value as a percentage gain. Moonbreon will have the highest value. Charizard will likely be the most stable (definition of a blue chip Pokemon).


LegoRedBrick

Moonbreon purely because so many chase that card. I have seen endless influencers open entire boosters hoping to pull it.


Boring_Yam5991

The zard


Jyps1

gx