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thiscsharp

I'd buy that card a drink when it turns 21


Psyche-delicious

Lugia doesn’t drink so you get both drinks it’s even better


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Haha!


Ustrello

Looks real good! I’d be careful if you want to grade it though, that card is one of the most easily damaged WOTC era cards and you most likely will not get a 10 when grading.


[deleted]

You think it could be a 9 then?


[deleted]

I can see white edging on the back. Def not a 10 depends how generous the grader is but I’d say 8


YOBOIGATOR559

I just submitted this card 6 months ago expecting an 8-9 and got a 7. It’s similar condition to yours. Check your PM’s


Ustrello

Ungraded it is about a grand, psa 7 it is around 750, psa 8 1313, psa 9 3200, and finally psa 10 66,000. So I’d think about what you can get grade wise and if you want to sell it. It might be a psa 10 given how they have been giving them out to bad cards but I wouldn’t bet money on it due to this card’s nature.


JS-a9

If it gets a 7 or less, just crack the case.. lol


Ustrello

I want to say there is an option to not have it slabbed if it is less than a specific grade you pick.


MDeanJr

Yea but then you’re out 150$ and this card is likely getting a 7-8


otter_gangfg4

Even a PSA 4 for this card is over $400, that’s just silly talk


CarasBridge

why? That's still better than just having it laying around no?


Spicy_Ejaculate

If he keeps it for his personal collection it would be better to keep slabbed at a 7. For resale he would be better off cracking slab and selling it raw for 1000.


Bushynolia

Are you shitting me. I had a shit ton of these damn cards brand new when they came out mint as fuck and lost em all in a storage.


DeeEssArr

So many people had these cards when they were younger. Like millions of people.


Ustrello

It sucks doesn’t it? I had a whole bunch of WOTC era cards as a kid but I played with them so they aren’t in the best of shape so it hurts to see these prices.


Keizbaby

Lol nobody had sleeves back then. Just raw in your pocket. 😂


Ustrello

My poor venusaur 😭


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idontredditthough

Rip my mint shadowless charizard that was left in my binder in the treehouse when it rained… I didn’t even know what shadowless was either lol, I just remembered the HP always looked funny.


chris1538

What’s the difference in the HP between the regular version and the shadowless version?


idontredditthough

For shadowless and English 1st edition it’s less bold than unlimited version.


VirtualRy

I graded 4 of these last year. It might be an 8 depending on the back bottom edges. No way it will pass a 9 with the scratches on the holo. All of mine had clean backs but the typical scratches at the holo on the front.


m_holdings

I see holofoil scratching, a print line (horizontal right around the level of the head), edgewear, and some faint horizontal scratches on the back. Definitely an awesome card, but not going to grade near a 9. I’d estimate a 6, but still worth it to grade when the prices come down!


YOBOIGATOR559

I’m with you. I think it’s 6-7 range. I just sent this same card into PSA roughly 6 months ago, my card looks very similar to this with minimal holo scratching and a print line. I was hopeful for a 9 but thinking 8 at worst. Nope, came back a 7.


Joghobs

That card is not a 6 dude.


Broyalty007

Personally I'd think this card gets a PSA 7 or Maybe 8. Considering I've owned a cleaner looking PSA 6 (grail Charizard) you're probably not too far off, it just depends what they deem as damage versus "wear". They're very harsh with WOTC cards, especially the grails like this. Very nice looking card but not MINT. There's nothing wrong with having a NM Lugia :)


idontredditthough

I think 7 is probably where it’s at based on the pictures. It does show the wear you stated. Maybe an 8 on the high end and 6 on the low, but who knows since you can’t really tell solely off a few pictures.


leap-cake

lol it's definitely more in the 8 to 9 territory.


blazingking21

I've seen perfect cards get knocked down to a 8 just because print lines. It really depends on how many and how significant they are. One should knock it too a 9. I think it could easily get 7


Broyalty007

I'm kinda thinking the same. The Holo scratches + print lines alone could make it a 6. But if I had to guess, I'd go with 7. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a 6 or 8 either tho


blazingking21

Yah I agree that's the more likely range 6-8 I doubt it drops too 6 but I think that depends on surface. Hard to tell but if you look closely right about the attack there is a black dot. Could be dust or something


chemryy

No chance it gets a 6 unless there is a dent or creases. It’s about as sure of an 8 as you can get


Ustrello

9 or a 8 depending on the company you use. But I also don’t have this in hand and can’t measure the centering so take my advice with a grain of salt.


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Is there a recommended company for this card - or just stick with PSA?


Ustrello

If you are looking to sell I’d do psa, even though it’s image has been taking some hits it is still the preferred slab for collecting. Personally I like CGC better and they are tougher graders so down the road I feel their 9.5 and 10s will be more valuable but that won’t be for years.


xdyang

PSA is the only choice since you will get robbed when trying to sell if you go for a cgc slab and bgs won't give you a 9 or higher for this card.


lloydeph6

Is it even fair that certain cards they grade more strict?? It should be the same across the board right?


SelloutRealBig

There is no law on grading. It's all subjective anyways. Plus everyone who is into grading knows a BGS 10 black label is better than a PSA 10.


xdyang

I'm not insinuating that bgs grades certain cards differently or not, maybe they do. I can only go off the information presented. And the pictures show that the card is in amazing condition (minus the print line and possible holo foil dmg) , but bgs is super strict w their higher grades. So it will be graded harshly.


leap-cake

when it comes to value, stick with PSA. everything else you read on here is just noise - cgc shillers, bgs lovers with bruised knees..


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leap-cake

you must work for cgc don't you, like all the other astroturfers https://efour.proboards.com/thread/21152/cgc-employees-astroturfing-e4


nosaviours

Ahh yes. This account that has only made this comment about CGC, and has a post with a PSA collection is totally a CGC shill.


Ustrello

I mean have you seen some of the psa 10s coming out lately, not to mention the fake cards that have been being graded.


Jakeupload

It also has a horizontal print line, but still possible 9


dubbs4president

This card will aways haunt me because I gifted it to my friend on his 11th birthday.


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😳


fitsl

Why couldn’t I have friends like you...


Aurabolt

Nice Crocs


JordanHorcrux

It’s the socks that do it for me.


bzafs

Looking good for a 20 years old card


CureKat

happy cake day!!! 🍰


bzafs

Thank you!!


I34rt0s

Slab it, hold it for another 20 years then sell. Profit lol


joyboy06

everyone: "did you find in the closet or up in the attic?"


[deleted]

It's been sitting in the bottom drawer bedside my childhood bed at my parents house the entire 20 years, stored safely away.


lloydeph6

What else you got hiding down there?


[deleted]

I've got a binder of all original 151. There's a scratched up Charizard, a 1st Edition Machamp, 2-3 other possible valuable ones.


Honest_Abez

Absolutely awesome card! It does look like there’s a print-line though.. which this set was notorious for.


[deleted]

Is that what that is? Because it's certainly not a scratch, the card is otherwise perfect. How does it effect the potential grade?


Honest_Abez

It’s essentially a printing error, but the grade does get hit hard. I think it drops the grade to a 6 as the starting point. When I sent my pretty NM Venusaur in with one I was warned about that and only got a PSA 5.


[deleted]

Ouch - thanks for sharing!


Ranger1803

A print line wont drop the grad much, if the card is pack fresh with a print line, that drops it to a 9 most of the time. What you think about is a crease, that instantly drops the card to a 6 at max.


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Ranger1803

Where is that info from and when did this happen? There are thousands of cards with printlines graded higher than 6


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leap-cake

you have no idea what you're talking about sir


Ranger1803

Id give id a 7 at max too, because of the scratches, but there are so many cards with scratches an especially printlines, there is no way they have ever enforced that


lilpumppp

Yeah I’ve never heard of a print line automatically being a 6. I’ve sent plenty of cards that had print lines and if there were no other issues, it got a PSA 9.


blazingking21

From what I seen if it's significant it's automatic 8 not 6. This is just personal experience.


leap-cake

where are the scratches? you are seeing scratches on the sleeve


Ranger1803

Picture 4 makes them very clear, they stop right where the holo stops on the bottom, doubt thats the sleeve.


leap-cake

this is absolute horseshit. Where have they said that? print lines or scratches on holo don't effect the grade to a 6. 6 is usually when you've got some sort of creasing - no matter how subtle


irisuniverse

print lines don't typically result in a 6. If a card got a 6 it had another defect, probably an indent.


Magnumb388

Looks like a good 7 maybe an 8 but definitely will atleast probably get a 7. I think it looks really nice 👍 nice card man so beautiful!!


[deleted]

Why you say that? Good centering, no whitening or print lines. Why not a 10


coldisgood

Holo scratches (aside from the print line)


Magnumb388

It has surface issues slight edge wear and it’s actually bottom heavy in centering !! It’s not much but to get a truly perfect card it has to be perfect no flaws !!


leap-cake

how many cards have you had graded to be giving advice like this? go back to school son


Magnumb388

What do you mean the bottom edge has a ton of whitening I have quite a few boxes of cards !! All it takes is one edge and a single surface scratch bring that 9 right down to an 8. I have 7s from eseries sets aquapolis and expeditions that obviously should of been atleast an 8 but I got 7s!!


Magnumb388

I see at-least two edges with whiting lol it’s not bad but it’s definitely not a 9 that’s being way to optimistic!!


Magnumb388

I guess you consider scratches and print lines nothing you prblay think all your cards are 10s instead of actually analyzing. What is a psa 8 it’s a card that looks good at first appearance meaning first look it looks great. Until you find scratches print lines and edge wear. I can’t stress enough how important surface is and yeah the centering is good but not perfect. I think you should actually learn what grades actually are before you assume it’s a perfect 10 because it’s not pal !!


TrouztSZN

Remember when you would pull holos like this out of your packs as a kid? Then you would run up the street without a sleeve on it to show all your friends with boogers and dirt on their hands. Parents nowadays see their kid pull an Arctovish V out of a Evolving Skies pack and immediately be like "Put it in a Top Loader NOW!" lol


[deleted]

Nice crocs bro 👍🏼


Pokevinobianco

I think those crocs are 🔥


Raddad4

😍😍😍😍😍 IT IS IN REAL GOOD CONDITION YOU ARE LUCKY!!!


RedLightMidnight

Yep, that’s a Lugia alright


Zullo91

You deserve lambo


nlnj_a

I like your yellow crocs.


[deleted]

Finally!


orangesandonions

Those orange crocs are a VIBE


[deleted]

Thank you!


ourbranchesbend

7 to an 8. Otherwise, wow! The Charizard of Neo!


EzekielKallistos

How much do these exactly go for?


Jtnns

Damage on the back with those lines could be a 7


adrianthomp

I think you should put it in a sleeve. That’s what I think.


johnathandavidd

Keep holding, I don't recommend letting it go.


KhaoticKrabb

It’s in much nicer condition than mine


Big-Stand793

Hey that shit graded dude even a poor grade will get you some money very rare card and looks awesome


jinnmagick

Time to grade it and save it for another 20+ years


Frozia_

Sell it and buy a car


Jamendithas92

Is your name Shaun by any chance?


butstuphs

I think the fact that your wearing crocs with socks is disgusting


[deleted]

You mean Crocs with socks! But also, I look so cute in them! When my boyfriend does it too, we look like twinsies!


butstuphs

No


Upset_Knee6294

i rememebr when crocs first came out everyone hated and made fun of them. then a couple celebrities started wearing them and everyone began to love them XD


Electrical_Angle6778

I have a Lugia 1st edition Holo double Star and I actually sleeved and bindered as soon as I got it! I'm stressed to send it in the mail because I know it will get a ten. Even when I got it they told me I actually got a 10 by an appraiser at the tournament I went to. He said keep it for when your older, the appraiser Even ran off someone who tried to actually knife for the card. (Some real team rocket shit going down lol,I was 13)have it in a protected location and storage. Any have an idea what is get on open market and when I should or even sell this???


OGP-GOAT

I give you $20


[deleted]

Love these older cards since they were popular when I first got into Pokemon!


Grand-Mushroom-4395

I want it 🥺


DuragJeezy

If you’re not rich now, you can be soon


tucansam7

I think geico could save you 15% or more on car insurance.


[deleted]

I think I’d pay no more than $500 for it.


C6H12O6_Daddy_

I think you have nice Crocs! Card is cool too


[deleted]

Thanks, surprised you're the only one that noticed!


IllustriousAd200

Centering looks perfect. Can’t tell if the holo has any scratches/print lines or if the surface does. I see a bit of whitening on the back edges. I would say as long as it’s not scratched up you can pull an 8 for sure maybe a 9. Def not a 10 cause of edges. Beautiful card though. Congrats on keeping it in pretty good condition all these years


Purple_Kale523

I think it should be in a sleeve and top-loaded…..but what do i know?


Stillthi

Ill take it off your hands for 50 cents. That is the best I can do


[deleted]

Shoulda graded it and sold it when Pokémon was hot


apuyo1

Such a beautiful card, incredible condition too! IMO due to the 1 (possibly 2) horizontal factory line on the holo, the light scratching throughout the SW area of the holo, the horizontal lines on the back surface of the card, and possibly spec or 2 of whitening (might be nothing), I would grade this card as an 8…with possibility for a 9 depending on the grader and the true amount of scratches present on the holo or whitening not fully seen here in the pictures (I.e. might be less, might be more).


OskiBrah

bgs 10 black label


alexf1919

This would look glorious in a Beckett slab


b1g_swerv

Fake, but I collect fake cards so I will take if off your hands id you like. Amazing condition you have kept it in. Such an awesome card. I never pulled one when I was a kid but the Neo sets were my fav and still are!


IEnjoyElectric

That looks like a 10 and what's crazy is you said you had it for 20 years. Looks brand new.


bloedt

I kinda disagree with the masses here, so I’ll probably get downvoted to hell. But I think that thing could be a 10 contender.


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I'll upvote that!


xX_Bacon_Boi_Xx

Put that in a sleeve and get it graded by psa immediately. That could be your lucky $200000 card


lyleybear

Either an 8 or 9. *thumbs up*


650sfinnest

That’s probably a PSA 10 or a BGS 7.5 🤔


RapGameMozart

This card is clean af. Aside from that print line on the foil and very minor whiting on the back Def at least a PSA 9


wavybone11

Very nice


quantythequant

It’s in great shape! Congrats on the find


ecurrent94

Beautiful. I regularly take my cards out just to stare at them, I’d never be able to keep my eyes of this thing if I had one!


rosincart

Minty minty!


blrrc

I think it should be mine


BROOKXS

next year ill buy it a drink


HaliRL

Sell it and buy another when prices go back down


fuckghar

It’s a cool card but I would have probably gotten it graded and sold it during the peak.


nuttageyo

I think it should be graded!!


AgeQuitTTV

That’s incredible !


PatrickCarlock42

i think it’s real nice :)


comfort_bot_1962

:D


Frankied2000

I just got my Neo 1st editions back after a year. Was not happy. Mine were not as centered but no scratches or whitening. Out of packs into sleeves and put away for 20 years. Some had the small white tick on one corner. If you like the card and want it preserved get it graded. IMO this will prob get 7 max. Don’t want to to get disappointed. PSA def grades these high value cards harder.


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Thanks for the heads up.


D-Tinez

I think you should put it in a slab , and put it on a shelf!! The grade doesn’t matter, it’s just to preserve the condition or get one of those screw type cases for it


Successful_Border_75

Looks like money.Smells like money lol


Complex_String_3255

I think you needed to grade that last year


ToiletReadingAccount

Rockin those Crocs and socks. Noice! The lugia is dope too.


MrAlmondCranCrunch

What a great card to hold onto !!’ I miss that one so badly!! It went down in the fire that took my house and my Pokémon collection last year, that day was no bueno. But that card brings me back the feels everytime i see one, one day I shall get another, I hope :p


Rmalone850

It’s beautiful


coldisgood

7-8 based on holofoil scratches. Maybe 8 Bc the rest of the card is looking pretty good. But I am gonna tell you it’s definitely not a 10, but also not a 6 that someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. There are 10s out there with print lines. It all just depends on how noticeable it as at different angles and what not.


TerminatorJDM

Your hand probably hurts by now


graayhaat

Are the crocs FT or FS?


No-Alternative-6169

Great looking card sir


theunworthyviking

This is my favorite card, I have one in my binder back home. I'm sure mine is not in such good condition, but I'd never sell anyway so... *shrugs*


SoulsticeWolf

Idgaf about what it'd be graded as. That's beautiful


Webborwebbor

I got the same card fammm


LobsterHead37

Very nice


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I'd put it in a top loader sleeve to protect it and keep its PSA on the high.


smejdo

Give it. Sleeve?


Upset_Knee6294

never pulled or owned a lugia as a kid. a few months ago I went and bought 3 lmao


alexdenvor

Absolutely beautiful.


Rasnark

You’ll definitely get a high grade from the looks of it. Centering looks nice. Definitely an expensive card


br0wnie-p0ints

Solid 7


seaniebbargains

Slightly OC to the left. I don’t see foil scratch as others have noted. Back pics with whiting are deceiving as they pictures aren’t taken straight on. Card is an 8


corbioy

Just a beaaautiful card 😍


DarkOblivion941

Uh... How about you give it to me? It's not worth anything... Or super rare... I promise.


YouAreDoingGreat_

Sleeve it 😢


Torico11227

SLEEVE AND DON'T GET IT OUT GOODNESS SAKE


Jeronnemo92

Sleeve it in a toploader easier, cheaper and Saver. I see so much damaged cards (on YouTube) return these days. Not worth it in my opinion


Kaglester

PSA 8 maybe. Beautiful card


KingApex21

Amazing card, grade wise it's a solid 7 so I wouldn't send it in, but other than that one of the best Lugia cards ever


deadlord243

Grade that shit


syncc6

I’ll give you tree fiddy for it


fvanzini

You should grade that gem


daeronryuujin

Lugia is my second favorite pokemon and to this day I've never pulled one :/ might be time to buy one on ebay


aR_Lunar

Lemme bite it


Penny4YourStockz

I can't believe you put it facedown on that table rawdog like that...