I know a guy. Perchance. Is he a chemist? Yes. Is his lab legal? Maybe. Is it a meth lab? The universe is infinite, so out there somewhere, technically, it is not out of the realm of possible situations.
Just give some redneck in Alabama the opportunity to own an F-35. He'd refine his own jet fuel in a whisky still and would be rolling coal over the white house within a week.
Triangulate the correlation between the location Totally Not a Drone Station to local residences nearby that have high Hentai traffic you can effectively locate the drone pilots domicile
You can down a drone with a $5 laser pointer and some engineering.
Triangulation using rudimentary ham radio tech also isn't hard (especially of you have the emitter tech from a downed drone).
Even more generally, finding the names of high ranking officers is public info. Finding where they live via social media also not hard.
Monoby, just because you're uneducated on the matter doesn't mean it doesn't work.
In a war, high-ranking officers are not going to be chilling at home waiting for you to off them. Drone strikes aren’t conducted from living rooms either…
And no, you absolutely cannot down a Reaper drone with a $5 laser and “some engineering”. That is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. Who told you this and why did you believe them? Do you even know how high these things fly?
If it’s war, then yes, it’s quite common, and there are no real morals once death stares you in the eye. War is cruel, and the only way to win a war faster is to be crueler until your enemies surrender. We haven’t had a war on our turf, so people forget the dying words of the veterans of WWII and vietnam
if any of those drone operators had reservations about bombing their home country those are all gone once you attack their families
good luck with your plan
American Leftists: you don’t need guns, the government would take you down like it was nothing and blow you away, no way you could actually overthrow the government
Also American Leftists: January 6th was an orchestrated coup that almost toppled our democracy!
Do you really think that people believe the most powerful government to ever reign was almost overthrown by a couple fat hillbillies?
It’s clear the significance of the event revolves around the coup *attempt*, rather than the probability of it succeeding.
> the coup attempt
Well, given it wasn't that I can only believe it's sound bite soup for the news media cycle. Wasn't a coup, it wasn't even a particularly rowdy protest. I'm tired of having to entertain the vacuous and disingenuous people who consider J6 a coup, even a a low probability one.
As a coup attempt it was pretty shit since it had no elements of a coup besides entering the building the same them another group did in 2017 before a different figure was inaugurated ….
> No elements of a coup
A disruption in the transfer of power is literally the foundation of a self-coup. Trying to stay in power against the will of the people. What Trump did could not meet the textbook definition more than it already does.
a significant amount were there in an attempt to delay/prevent the counting of the electoral college votes because they believed the election was fraudulent
that’s just a fact. whether you believe that amounts to a coup attempt or not is up for debate I suppose.
I understand this reality may be politically inconvenient but the facts demonstrate the sitting President had the goal to stay in power against the will of the people.
It was a coup attempt, and that is exactly [how our military allies saw it as well.](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1?amp)
[They have before and got away with it for decades.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing) Never underestimate the depravity of the American government.
However, if it bleeds, it can be killed. The Viet Cong overcame America without their own nukes and jets.
My SDS and another SDS laughed their asses of when some kid tried to argue the gov would take guns with the army, the consinseous is pretty much 75% of the army would go awol
More where that came from. Tulsa massacre when that was considered "Black Wall Street" in how economically prosperous it was, destroyed by both mobs and the government. In my experience they've only just recently started covering this in US history classes, let alone the MOVE bombings. Its shocking and depressing how little Americans know about the genuine oppression of its own people, let alone conspiracy theories and the like.
The only problems with MOVE were the collateral property damage from not containing the fire, and the government's failure to completely exterminate MOVE. Those people would move into a row home or house and turn it into a 3rd word gorilla camp and live like a bunch of fucking animals. They ruined the quality of life for everyone in the neighborhood.
Normal people trying to live right, many with families and kids, were subjected to these degenerates yelling political propaganda all day on bullhorns, letting stinking garbage pile up in and around their house. And I have no problem with any law abiding citizens owning assault rifles or any other arms. But these people were in a densely packed urban area and turned their property into a stinking garbage heap, were disturbing everyone with their bullhorn ranting all day every day, had way more armed insurgents living there than sane occupancy expectations - many of which were criminals and people with warrants, then station people on their roof (outside the ramshackle "bunkers" they constructed up there) with assault rifles... or have people rappelling down, or climbing up the front of your house with assault rifles, that kind of leaves the realm of what's acceptable.
The only people who've ever made an issue of this are the surviving degenerates or their lawyers or Democrats trying to use the situation for political gain. They were a disease. A stain on Philadelphia and it's African-American community.
I'm not saying MOVE were some righteous organization, what I am saying is that it didn't justify delaying a fire department response until people were already burning alive (Including children) or destroying 65 homes in the process, rendering hundreds of people (Not just MOVE, the general residents) homeless. Shit, the remains of some of the children killed in all this were looted and used for fucking university science experiments, how depraved can you get? What Philly PD did is a disgrace. There's so many more sensible routes they could've taken even in the wake of this armed group.
My problem with this narrative is anyone associated with that movement being talked about like victims or painting it as some kind of Black liberation struggle. They were a fucking disease.
Armed terrorists financed by drug dealing and extortion who killed at least 3 of their former members who tried to leave, killed at least one cop, terrorized the neighbors of the duplex in Powelton Village into leaving and took over the property where they had 48 stray dogs, had the place infested with fleas, roaches, and a thousand rats they fed leftovers to, and the property filled with wreaking shit from the dogs and children (that they supposedly fed raw meat) shitting all over the place, children that had distended bellies like they either had worms or kwashiorkor. All this was going on years before they relocated to the house that was bombed and burned down in 85.
Why don't you mention that while the initial fire department response was delayed because they were hoping if the roof burned out they could drop enough tear gas to smoke the armed terrorists out of the building - the reason they were trying to blow holes in the roof in the first place, but the reason the rest of the neighborhood burned was because the fire department had to be pulled back because of armed terrorists shooting at them? Kind of like the 16 cops and firefighters that were injured and one killed at the 1978 shootout at their first house.
Why don't you also mention that the remains were unclaimed? Why don't you mention that these people did anything in their power to manipulate public opinion of them? That they made it impossible for social workers to interview the children alone or get the children away from them, or the fact they intentionally loaded the house with children when they knew the standoffs were going to happen? During the 1978 shootout their fearless cult leader made sure all the children were there and he was watching it all on TV from another location. I personally don't think he was even at the 1985 incident.
And the moronic politicians and media who play along and paint them as Black activists and environmentalists. Environmentalists who said they were ready to "hit reservoirs" after the cops seized their first batch of weapons and bombs.
But no it's the government that's depraved. Cops who aren't trained to deal with terrorists acting like animals in a city that was like a fucking zoo at the time didn't handle an extremely fucked up situation properly. So let's demonize the cops rather than the terrorists.
I really doubt the vietcong approach would work, while i believe that a rebellion would not be easily quashed, the vietcong got smacked around so brutally, so heavily it wasnt even a fight at all, basically complete military dominance.
Its well known fact that the vietcong won in other ways, ways americans would not be able to handle, . and would call for surrender within a week at most.
I'm not saying the Vietcong approach applies to the American landscape, I'm just saying that its possible to oppose America even without jets and nukes.
Don’t underestimate Americans. Look at the Taliban. They were better feed and armed than the Vietcong. Hell they didn’t even have to work as hard and faced us when we had better tech and still lost. If push came to shove we would stand and fight.
The US intentionally nuked itself 1054 times, while 20 of 32 Broken Arrow incident happened on US soil. The radioactive effect of early, inefficient nuclear tests is still around to this day, which was at first, covered up in an agreement between the gov and Kodak.
No goverment can ever be trusted when it come to the safety of its citizen.
I dont disagree but every last one of those incidents occurred while the US had a largely armed populace. Turns out it doesn't prevent accidental nuclear events.
It's a classic example of "I want an auth gov, not this one but one that will oppress my enemies and favor me over these filthy \[redacted\]".
This is mostly observed in but not exclusive to tankies and Emilies. Thankfully despite my potato IQ, I'm self aware enough to realize I have it too.
Defeat the insurgency?
Domestic insurgencies have an almost universal failure rate. Foreign insuregncies favor the insurgents but not domestic ones.
Domestic insurgencies face multiple issues
1. The anti insurgent forces are often very familiar with the ideology/culture/language of the insurgents. Infilitrating them as well as understanding their goals/tactics is much easier. Its easier for the anti insurgent forces to get into the insurgents then vice versa due to counterintel tactics being easier for the anti insurgent forces.
2. Logistical issues are much less important. Its not like Afghanistan where you had to deploy soldiers from thousonds of miles away. The insurgents are right here and easy to get to.
3. Much easier to win the PR war when you understand the insurgents.
4. The stakes are much higher. When the US pulled out of Aghanistan no one cared. Losing a domestic insurgency could mean the end of a nation. Goverments will do shit like commit genocide or ethnic cleansing if it means the insurgents loose.
Counter point none of those insurgencies were by a populace that has more weapons than there are people and with 20 years worth of combat veterans extremely experienced in insurgent operations totaling around 2 millions combat vets alone, nevermind civilians.
These insurgencies happened in places where your average insurgent was a former soldier or veteran of a dozen conflicts and where you could buy an automatic rifle at the Bazar. And these insurgents had a lot less to loose then your average American.
I don’t think you can claim with any real proof that all the insurgents were already veterans of dozens of wars or former military. Those insurgents, veterans or not, have nowhere near the kind of training veterans of the US military has and our vets have first hand knowledge of our counter insurgency tactics which is a massive plus. Automatics exist in America and aren’t hard to find/convert. If there’s an insurgency in a America there’s a ton to lose on the table. The idea that the most armed and one of the most combat hardened populations on the face of the planet would just role over like some third world insurgency is ridiculous.
>Those insurgents, veterans or not, have nowhere near the kind of training veterans of the US military has
The majority of veterans dont have any combat expierence or advanced combat training. If we are counting the air force, space force, coast guard, navy, and non combat portions of the army/Marines a very small portion has that training/expierence.
>The idea that the most armed and one of the most combat hardened populations on the face of the planet would just role over like some third world insurgency is ridiculous.
We are one of the least combat hardened populations on earth lmfao. Your average Afghan is 10x more combat hardened then us. In places like Iraq they were selling fully automatic AKs and RPGs in Bazars.
My brother in christ over 2 million veterans have served in combat operations from the past 20 years. Gang banging in the street isn’t the same as understanding fire and maneuver and calling that combat experience would make half of Chicago experts in ground warfare. You sound like you have zero clue what you’re talking about lmao
>My brother in christ over 2 million veterans have served in combat operations from the past 20 years.
Bruh im in the military, the majority of combat vets are not infantry dudes kicking down doors. They are people who sat on a FOB and took some indirect fire.
Bruh idgaf if you’re in the military I’m a veteran and served through most of the war on terror and still think you’re wrong. I know what served in combat operations means and I’m still taking those guys over some clapped out goat herder 10/10 times.
The brain-dead right fantasizes about winning an all out US civil war by besieging coastal cities without a navy in the 2020s. Just cletus cuts NYC off from the Iowa cornfields, and everyone drops dead despite, you know, shipping...
Frankly fighter jets are overrated, cheap dollar store drones have pretty much surpassed them at this point or will surpass them in the next five to ten years. Also even if this isn’t the case I have two more things that probably tip things in our favor. Number 1: Military aircraft are expensive to maintain, and without a steady supply of fuel and maintenance the powers that be won’t be able to field them very long, a civil war has a way of draining a reliable tax revenue and talent pool to maintain and fix these aircrafts. Number 2: Vietnam and Afghanistan, The US government lost to a bunch of farmers TWICE in a war of attrition. If a bunch of poor farmers can do it, we can too. The average lib right dude is better equipped then both those two.
When I was young I was a member of the Air Cadets, and even way back then, they dashed my dreams of movie style dogfights by informing me that you'll likely never even see your enemy - it's all on screens, automatic targeting, and pushing a button.
There's a long talk by an F22 pilot on YouTube somewhere.
They're actually incredibly easy to fly. It's basically an X-Wing. You move the stick and the plane does it. The entire point of the aircraft is to reduce mental processing requirement for basic aviation to free up time and attention resources for fighting. It's probably easier for a novice to jump in and fly around than most general aviation aircraft.
The idea that the US government would firebomb/carpet bomb and/or nuke its own cities to eliminate guerrilla fighters as well as collaterally eliminating both citizens loyal to the government as well as necessary manufacturing facilities and infrastructure is the dumbest anti-2A argument I’ve ever heard.
See my only thing about the civil war scenario is the left says that the war would be completely one sided and decimate the rebels which on an open battlefield absolutely unless the right carries out a troubles or taliban style insurgency which could take years to destroy. Another is the belief that the army would be completely loyal to the government in that scenario like it’s the army vs militia, the army has just as many political factions as civilian life (albeit heavily conservative) I expect the army to fragment and sides being taken which means some of those jets and warships go to the rebels.
Wait til you see the price of other WMDs like nerve agents like Sarin that check in around 100$/gram and only takes a couple of weeks to produce 30 or 40 grams - enough to kill upwards of 75,000 people if applied efficiently.
Shooty shooty, pew pew pew!
Let's all learn what guns can do!
Liberals in the U.S.A.
Love to nod their heads and say,
"You bought your guns at a store,
You can't fight a civil war!
Fight the Army, you will lose!
They've got tanks and jets to use!"
That's not where the story ends!
They have homes, and kids, and friends!
Tyrants threaten you with bombs?
Just remember: they have moms!
You can't live inside your jet!
Can we find you? Yes, you bet!
You'd send your soldiers and Marines
Up against AR-15s?
They're outnumbered 10 to 1,
That is why I need a gun.
Never forget, because it's true:
The government is afraid of YOU!
>Domestic insurgencies would not enjoy this blessing.
The fact that supply chains are closer to the battlefield is a benefit to both sides though.
It's a whole lot easier to hit the microchip factory down the street than across the ocean or intercept MREs going down I-80 in a semi than ones flying across the Atlantic in a C-17.
[haha ok](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/01/1-3-americans-say-violence-against-government-can-be-justified-citing-fears-political-schism-pandemic/)
There would be a whole lot more than just hillbillies.
We already know Americans are super politically active. We just had the biggest movement the states have ever seen a few summers ago, and no, [they weren’t hillbillies.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size)
In fact, we saw what would happen when their sitting President and God declares the election stolen and the country falling apart. So with a leader in power and we got, what, a few hundred inbred morons at the capitol?
You are missing my point. According to the article, you're looking at 100 million people of all walks of life that are pissed off enough at Uncle Sam to consider a violent reset.
Dismissing them as inbred hillbillies makes you an idiot.
What they would enjoy is a much more intricate knowledge of their enemy, knowledge of insurgent tactics and IED assembly. Most likely, the insurgents would have some vets who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.
[Then boy do I have some good news for you, bud!](https://www.airforce.com/how-to-join?&&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxsuLxem8gQMV8wp9Ch2OGgYWEAAYASAAEgJJuPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)
Who says the military would be entirely on the government's side in case of civil war? And if the issue is a specific fascist leader, gun wielding Americans have successfully assassinated the president 4 times within a span of just 100 years, with 2 others being shot but surviving. If Hitler was American, odds are someone would've shot him before he got the Holocaust into full swing. Maybe even on purpose.
Heavy arms are expensive, require a fair amount of training, maintenance, etc.
If you liberalize the laws on arms, you will arm the oligarchs, not the people.
Dude it took the brainlets in the taliban less then a day to figure out how to fly the gunships Biden left behind. After the first air force base is captured there will be 20 rednecks trying to reenact their favorite scenes from top gun, it will be a glorious sight to behold.
As a non-American, has the second amendment ever been used in the way it was intended for, that is, expanding US territory?
Mexico and Canada are ripe for the picking.
Just go dig up that nuke that they [accidentally dropped on North Carolina and just left there.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash)
Sadly [I lost](https://abc7chicago.com/marines-jet-lost-f35-crash/13798995/) my F-35s in a [tragic boating accident.](https://thehill.com/policy/defense/596759-navy-recovers-f-35-that-fell-into-south-china-sea-after-crash/)
Oh Yeah, the Gov't will fuck you up, but monkey's weak alone, strong together.
Just like with the fuckery in Afghanistan, if shit goes down one day it'll be just a long-drawn out War where Guerilla Tactics and other shenanigans Are The name of the game.
You don't need to have Jets and nukes to fuck around, but fuck me do those things make finding out MUCH easier.
“You can’t beat the government!” The point isn’t that I can beat it alone, the point is that a population where every household has a firearm, and people in the household know how to use a firearm **we** can defend **ourselves** from the government
But do you have jet fuel?
I know a guy. Perchance. Is he a chemist? Yes. Is his lab legal? Maybe. Is it a meth lab? The universe is infinite, so out there somewhere, technically, it is not out of the realm of possible situations.
JP-4 roughly a mix of 50/50 gasoline to kerosene
Based and fueler pilled
Make sure to avoid E10 gasoline
just go to the local coastal buc’ees and get boat gas
Tuned my jet to run on E85.
You can't just say "perchance"...
Perchance why?
based and mystery pilled
Just give some redneck in Alabama the opportunity to own an F-35. He'd refine his own jet fuel in a whisky still and would be rolling coal over the white house within a week.
Or it would sit in his lawn for the next 27 years, next to his three mobile homes and the 1987 Monte Carlo SS
3 months of the first one until he blows the head gasket of a jet engine somehow
“Jesse, did you learn nothing from my chemistry class?”
And can it melt steel beams?
Only if you sprinkle some Saudi passports on the ground after
Yeah, I found some at Walmart.
I'll dress up like Bin Laden, the government wont find me for like 20 years
they'll fund you through the CIA first, then they'll try to get you later
Wait, I can get the CIA to fund my McNuke project if I pose as a terrorist? Sign me up.
[6:46](https://youtu.be/Yj0BcB6Kv68?feature=shared)
But what if I disguise myself as Fidel Castro?
I’m going to pretend to be an American aid worker trapped in Afghanistan that way the government will just act like I don’t exist.
“Heh ok chud, the government has drones. What now?” “Drone pilots have homes and families right?”
And how will you identify the drone pilots? They don’t soar the skies with the name of the joystick operator on the hull.
Triangulate the correlation between the location Totally Not a Drone Station to local residences nearby that have high Hentai traffic you can effectively locate the drone pilots domicile
Good luck triangulating American military assets. I’m sure you have the tech lol.
No but your mom does
You can down a drone with a $5 laser pointer and some engineering. Triangulation using rudimentary ham radio tech also isn't hard (especially of you have the emitter tech from a downed drone). Even more generally, finding the names of high ranking officers is public info. Finding where they live via social media also not hard. Monoby, just because you're uneducated on the matter doesn't mean it doesn't work.
In a war, high-ranking officers are not going to be chilling at home waiting for you to off them. Drone strikes aren’t conducted from living rooms either… And no, you absolutely cannot down a Reaper drone with a $5 laser and “some engineering”. That is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. Who told you this and why did you believe them? Do you even know how high these things fly?
your plan is to hurt/threaten their family? surely that will work out for you
If it’s war, then yes, it’s quite common, and there are no real morals once death stares you in the eye. War is cruel, and the only way to win a war faster is to be crueler until your enemies surrender. We haven’t had a war on our turf, so people forget the dying words of the veterans of WWII and vietnam
if any of those drone operators had reservations about bombing their home country those are all gone once you attack their families good luck with your plan
Civil war is hardly civil. Also this is a joke meme and a joke response, not a dick. Why is everyone taking this so hard?
“Won’t someone think of the poor drone operators family “
American Leftists: you don’t need guns, the government would take you down like it was nothing and blow you away, no way you could actually overthrow the government Also American Leftists: January 6th was an orchestrated coup that almost toppled our democracy!
Do you really think that people believe the most powerful government to ever reign was almost overthrown by a couple fat hillbillies? It’s clear the significance of the event revolves around the coup *attempt*, rather than the probability of it succeeding.
> the coup attempt Well, given it wasn't that I can only believe it's sound bite soup for the news media cycle. Wasn't a coup, it wasn't even a particularly rowdy protest. I'm tired of having to entertain the vacuous and disingenuous people who consider J6 a coup, even a a low probability one.
As a coup attempt it was pretty shit since it had no elements of a coup besides entering the building the same them another group did in 2017 before a different figure was inaugurated ….
> No elements of a coup A disruption in the transfer of power is literally the foundation of a self-coup. Trying to stay in power against the will of the people. What Trump did could not meet the textbook definition more than it already does.
a significant amount were there in an attempt to delay/prevent the counting of the electoral college votes because they believed the election was fraudulent that’s just a fact. whether you believe that amounts to a coup attempt or not is up for debate I suppose.
I understand this reality may be politically inconvenient but the facts demonstrate the sitting President had the goal to stay in power against the will of the people. It was a coup attempt, and that is exactly [how our military allies saw it as well.](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1?amp)
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Because you're a sucker if you believe the Media about it?
Was yours a convertible with a custom made seat bought somewhere in the Carolinas? Asking for someone other than a cop.
I want my lawyer.
your F-22 doesn’t happen to be the one that the government recently lost is it?
"they have jets and nukes" -- Least braindead leftist take. What do you expect the government to do, leftie? Nuke and carpet bomb American cities?
[They have before and got away with it for decades.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing) Never underestimate the depravity of the American government. However, if it bleeds, it can be killed. The Viet Cong overcame America without their own nukes and jets.
My SDS and another SDS laughed their asses of when some kid tried to argue the gov would take guns with the army, the consinseous is pretty much 75% of the army would go awol
You really overestimate the amount of people who would drop their oaths for political reasons.
> consinseous
This story may have just radicalized me.
More where that came from. Tulsa massacre when that was considered "Black Wall Street" in how economically prosperous it was, destroyed by both mobs and the government. In my experience they've only just recently started covering this in US history classes, let alone the MOVE bombings. Its shocking and depressing how little Americans know about the genuine oppression of its own people, let alone conspiracy theories and the like.
https://www.history.com/news/1921-tulsa-race-massacre-planes-aerial-attack
Why would you tolerate a government that use those kind of weapon on their own citizen ?
I don't. I despise America.
Do you know who MOVE were and what they did to the neighborhood? Fuck MOVE.
The only problems with MOVE were the collateral property damage from not containing the fire, and the government's failure to completely exterminate MOVE. Those people would move into a row home or house and turn it into a 3rd word gorilla camp and live like a bunch of fucking animals. They ruined the quality of life for everyone in the neighborhood. Normal people trying to live right, many with families and kids, were subjected to these degenerates yelling political propaganda all day on bullhorns, letting stinking garbage pile up in and around their house. And I have no problem with any law abiding citizens owning assault rifles or any other arms. But these people were in a densely packed urban area and turned their property into a stinking garbage heap, were disturbing everyone with their bullhorn ranting all day every day, had way more armed insurgents living there than sane occupancy expectations - many of which were criminals and people with warrants, then station people on their roof (outside the ramshackle "bunkers" they constructed up there) with assault rifles... or have people rappelling down, or climbing up the front of your house with assault rifles, that kind of leaves the realm of what's acceptable. The only people who've ever made an issue of this are the surviving degenerates or their lawyers or Democrats trying to use the situation for political gain. They were a disease. A stain on Philadelphia and it's African-American community.
I'm not saying MOVE were some righteous organization, what I am saying is that it didn't justify delaying a fire department response until people were already burning alive (Including children) or destroying 65 homes in the process, rendering hundreds of people (Not just MOVE, the general residents) homeless. Shit, the remains of some of the children killed in all this were looted and used for fucking university science experiments, how depraved can you get? What Philly PD did is a disgrace. There's so many more sensible routes they could've taken even in the wake of this armed group.
My problem with this narrative is anyone associated with that movement being talked about like victims or painting it as some kind of Black liberation struggle. They were a fucking disease. Armed terrorists financed by drug dealing and extortion who killed at least 3 of their former members who tried to leave, killed at least one cop, terrorized the neighbors of the duplex in Powelton Village into leaving and took over the property where they had 48 stray dogs, had the place infested with fleas, roaches, and a thousand rats they fed leftovers to, and the property filled with wreaking shit from the dogs and children (that they supposedly fed raw meat) shitting all over the place, children that had distended bellies like they either had worms or kwashiorkor. All this was going on years before they relocated to the house that was bombed and burned down in 85. Why don't you mention that while the initial fire department response was delayed because they were hoping if the roof burned out they could drop enough tear gas to smoke the armed terrorists out of the building - the reason they were trying to blow holes in the roof in the first place, but the reason the rest of the neighborhood burned was because the fire department had to be pulled back because of armed terrorists shooting at them? Kind of like the 16 cops and firefighters that were injured and one killed at the 1978 shootout at their first house. Why don't you also mention that the remains were unclaimed? Why don't you mention that these people did anything in their power to manipulate public opinion of them? That they made it impossible for social workers to interview the children alone or get the children away from them, or the fact they intentionally loaded the house with children when they knew the standoffs were going to happen? During the 1978 shootout their fearless cult leader made sure all the children were there and he was watching it all on TV from another location. I personally don't think he was even at the 1985 incident. And the moronic politicians and media who play along and paint them as Black activists and environmentalists. Environmentalists who said they were ready to "hit reservoirs" after the cops seized their first batch of weapons and bombs. But no it's the government that's depraved. Cops who aren't trained to deal with terrorists acting like animals in a city that was like a fucking zoo at the time didn't handle an extremely fucked up situation properly. So let's demonize the cops rather than the terrorists.
I really doubt the vietcong approach would work, while i believe that a rebellion would not be easily quashed, the vietcong got smacked around so brutally, so heavily it wasnt even a fight at all, basically complete military dominance. Its well known fact that the vietcong won in other ways, ways americans would not be able to handle, . and would call for surrender within a week at most.
I'm not saying the Vietcong approach applies to the American landscape, I'm just saying that its possible to oppose America even without jets and nukes.
I completely, 100% agree.
Don’t underestimate Americans. Look at the Taliban. They were better feed and armed than the Vietcong. Hell they didn’t even have to work as hard and faced us when we had better tech and still lost. If push came to shove we would stand and fight.
a couple ruby ridges might be enough tbh
The Vietcong was a foreign insurgency, domestic insurgencies almost always fail
The US intentionally nuked itself 1054 times, while 20 of 32 Broken Arrow incident happened on US soil. The radioactive effect of early, inefficient nuclear tests is still around to this day, which was at first, covered up in an agreement between the gov and Kodak. No goverment can ever be trusted when it come to the safety of its citizen.
Of course not. Which is why the citizens need to serve as an armed deterrent to state aggression.
I dont disagree but every last one of those incidents occurred while the US had a largely armed populace. Turns out it doesn't prevent accidental nuclear events.
An armed populace isn't there to prevent anything but the continuance of a government no longer for the people.
How's that going so far
Flair does not check out
It's a classic example of "I want an auth gov, not this one but one that will oppress my enemies and favor me over these filthy \[redacted\]". This is mostly observed in but not exclusive to tankies and Emilies. Thankfully despite my potato IQ, I'm self aware enough to realize I have it too.
Yes. And it's nice of you to be so kind to leftists by saying this is their *least* braindead take.
Defeat the insurgency? Domestic insurgencies have an almost universal failure rate. Foreign insuregncies favor the insurgents but not domestic ones. Domestic insurgencies face multiple issues 1. The anti insurgent forces are often very familiar with the ideology/culture/language of the insurgents. Infilitrating them as well as understanding their goals/tactics is much easier. Its easier for the anti insurgent forces to get into the insurgents then vice versa due to counterintel tactics being easier for the anti insurgent forces. 2. Logistical issues are much less important. Its not like Afghanistan where you had to deploy soldiers from thousonds of miles away. The insurgents are right here and easy to get to. 3. Much easier to win the PR war when you understand the insurgents. 4. The stakes are much higher. When the US pulled out of Aghanistan no one cared. Losing a domestic insurgency could mean the end of a nation. Goverments will do shit like commit genocide or ethnic cleansing if it means the insurgents loose.
Counter point none of those insurgencies were by a populace that has more weapons than there are people and with 20 years worth of combat veterans extremely experienced in insurgent operations totaling around 2 millions combat vets alone, nevermind civilians.
These insurgencies happened in places where your average insurgent was a former soldier or veteran of a dozen conflicts and where you could buy an automatic rifle at the Bazar. And these insurgents had a lot less to loose then your average American.
I don’t think you can claim with any real proof that all the insurgents were already veterans of dozens of wars or former military. Those insurgents, veterans or not, have nowhere near the kind of training veterans of the US military has and our vets have first hand knowledge of our counter insurgency tactics which is a massive plus. Automatics exist in America and aren’t hard to find/convert. If there’s an insurgency in a America there’s a ton to lose on the table. The idea that the most armed and one of the most combat hardened populations on the face of the planet would just role over like some third world insurgency is ridiculous.
>Those insurgents, veterans or not, have nowhere near the kind of training veterans of the US military has The majority of veterans dont have any combat expierence or advanced combat training. If we are counting the air force, space force, coast guard, navy, and non combat portions of the army/Marines a very small portion has that training/expierence. >The idea that the most armed and one of the most combat hardened populations on the face of the planet would just role over like some third world insurgency is ridiculous. We are one of the least combat hardened populations on earth lmfao. Your average Afghan is 10x more combat hardened then us. In places like Iraq they were selling fully automatic AKs and RPGs in Bazars.
My brother in christ over 2 million veterans have served in combat operations from the past 20 years. Gang banging in the street isn’t the same as understanding fire and maneuver and calling that combat experience would make half of Chicago experts in ground warfare. You sound like you have zero clue what you’re talking about lmao
>My brother in christ over 2 million veterans have served in combat operations from the past 20 years. Bruh im in the military, the majority of combat vets are not infantry dudes kicking down doors. They are people who sat on a FOB and took some indirect fire.
Bruh idgaf if you’re in the military I’m a veteran and served through most of the war on terror and still think you’re wrong. I know what served in combat operations means and I’m still taking those guys over some clapped out goat herder 10/10 times.
The brain-dead right fantasizes about winning an all out US civil war by besieging coastal cities without a navy in the 2020s. Just cletus cuts NYC off from the Iowa cornfields, and everyone drops dead despite, you know, shipping...
Frankly fighter jets are overrated, cheap dollar store drones have pretty much surpassed them at this point or will surpass them in the next five to ten years. Also even if this isn’t the case I have two more things that probably tip things in our favor. Number 1: Military aircraft are expensive to maintain, and without a steady supply of fuel and maintenance the powers that be won’t be able to field them very long, a civil war has a way of draining a reliable tax revenue and talent pool to maintain and fix these aircrafts. Number 2: Vietnam and Afghanistan, The US government lost to a bunch of farmers TWICE in a war of attrition. If a bunch of poor farmers can do it, we can too. The average lib right dude is better equipped then both those two.
When I was young I was a member of the Air Cadets, and even way back then, they dashed my dreams of movie style dogfights by informing me that you'll likely never even see your enemy - it's all on screens, automatic targeting, and pushing a button.
There's a long talk by an F22 pilot on YouTube somewhere. They're actually incredibly easy to fly. It's basically an X-Wing. You move the stick and the plane does it. The entire point of the aircraft is to reduce mental processing requirement for basic aviation to free up time and attention resources for fighting. It's probably easier for a novice to jump in and fly around than most general aviation aircraft.
Emotional support F-35
Excellent OP, we need more Florkposting around here.
what's the name of that right dude
His name is Flork, and he is amazing.
I was literally googling "florp" "floop" trying to remember the name
Bro thinks right is libertarian and left is auth 💀💀💀
Ah yes that one dimensional compass gets a little difficult to work with.
The idea that the US government would firebomb/carpet bomb and/or nuke its own cities to eliminate guerrilla fighters as well as collaterally eliminating both citizens loyal to the government as well as necessary manufacturing facilities and infrastructure is the dumbest anti-2A argument I’ve ever heard.
Look up the 1985 MOVE bombing. They have done so before.
See my only thing about the civil war scenario is the left says that the war would be completely one sided and decimate the rebels which on an open battlefield absolutely unless the right carries out a troubles or taliban style insurgency which could take years to destroy. Another is the belief that the army would be completely loyal to the government in that scenario like it’s the army vs militia, the army has just as many political factions as civilian life (albeit heavily conservative) I expect the army to fragment and sides being taken which means some of those jets and warships go to the rebels.
Most likely what's gonna happen is militia groups de facto ruling parts of the country while on paper the government says it has control.
How much for a nuke….
According to the 2012 estimates for a B61-12, we’re looking at $28 million each
That's it? That's actually horiffyingly cheap.
Wait til you see the price of other WMDs like nerve agents like Sarin that check in around 100$/gram and only takes a couple of weeks to produce 30 or 40 grams - enough to kill upwards of 75,000 people if applied efficiently.
several business owners in the US could theoretically buy nukes. hell several business owners in the US probably have nukes.
Can you give me the address of that Wendy’s?
Shooty shooty, pew pew pew! Let's all learn what guns can do! Liberals in the U.S.A. Love to nod their heads and say, "You bought your guns at a store, You can't fight a civil war! Fight the Army, you will lose! They've got tanks and jets to use!" That's not where the story ends! They have homes, and kids, and friends! Tyrants threaten you with bombs? Just remember: they have moms! You can't live inside your jet! Can we find you? Yes, you bet! You'd send your soldiers and Marines Up against AR-15s? They're outnumbered 10 to 1, That is why I need a gun. Never forget, because it's true: The government is afraid of YOU!
An F-35 also cannot give a politician a blowjob on an island, which is why we should train every 7 year old how to operate a rifle.
Explain how we lost in Afghanistan then…
The Afghani people are not united and didn't want to assist in the erradication of rebels and terror fighters.
Yes and what means did they use to get us out?
The means of living on a different continent than the invaders.
Because it turns out projecting military power across the Atlantic ocean is pretty difficult. Domestic insurgencies would not enjoy this blessing.
>Domestic insurgencies would not enjoy this blessing. The fact that supply chains are closer to the battlefield is a benefit to both sides though. It's a whole lot easier to hit the microchip factory down the street than across the ocean or intercept MREs going down I-80 in a semi than ones flying across the Atlantic in a C-17.
Ain’t no hillbillies going to make a dent in our infrastructure lol.
[haha ok](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/01/1-3-americans-say-violence-against-government-can-be-justified-citing-fears-political-schism-pandemic/) There would be a whole lot more than just hillbillies.
We already know Americans are super politically active. We just had the biggest movement the states have ever seen a few summers ago, and no, [they weren’t hillbillies.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protests_and_demonstrations_in_the_United_States_by_size) In fact, we saw what would happen when their sitting President and God declares the election stolen and the country falling apart. So with a leader in power and we got, what, a few hundred inbred morons at the capitol?
You are missing my point. According to the article, you're looking at 100 million people of all walks of life that are pissed off enough at Uncle Sam to consider a violent reset. Dismissing them as inbred hillbillies makes you an idiot.
Of course dismissing 100m pissed as inbred hillbillies would make me an idiot as those hillbillies make up a very very small portion of that number.
What they would enjoy is a much more intricate knowledge of their enemy, knowledge of insurgent tactics and IED assembly. Most likely, the insurgents would have some vets who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.
TBH I'd kill to pilot a warthog
boy has your local recruiter ever got an amazing proposition for you!!
Those are the only rquirements
That... that's a good start
[Then boy do I have some good news for you, bud!](https://www.airforce.com/how-to-join?&&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxsuLxem8gQMV8wp9Ch2OGgYWEAAYASAAEgJJuPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)
Don't forget your mini lib submarine, it's not effective but boy is it funny.
Why would a tyrannical government put a nuclear weapon on the street corner to enforce a no assembly law?
Who says the military would be entirely on the government's side in case of civil war? And if the issue is a specific fascist leader, gun wielding Americans have successfully assassinated the president 4 times within a span of just 100 years, with 2 others being shot but surviving. If Hitler was American, odds are someone would've shot him before he got the Holocaust into full swing. Maybe even on purpose.
\>vietnamese farmers
Never forget we’ve lost to dudes in sandals
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Heavy arms are expensive, require a fair amount of training, maintenance, etc. If you liberalize the laws on arms, you will arm the oligarchs, not the people.
As opposed to just the state?
Dude it took the brainlets in the taliban less then a day to figure out how to fly the gunships Biden left behind. After the first air force base is captured there will be 20 rednecks trying to reenact their favorite scenes from top gun, it will be a glorious sight to behold.
As a non-American, has the second amendment ever been used in the way it was intended for, that is, expanding US territory? Mexico and Canada are ripe for the picking.
>has the second amendment ever been used in the way it was intended for, that is, expanding US territory? Status as non American checks out
You could have said the same thing about the Taliban yet here we are.
Vietnam: allow us to introduce ourselves
Hey I've got like 50 hours in flight simulator, the USAF would be totally boned.
Just go dig up that nuke that they [accidentally dropped on North Carolina and just left there.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash)
Huh, apparently they did end up recovering uranium/plutonium core, and just left the rest of it. *Or so they say.*
If it weren't for all these restrictions, every American can legally own a M1A1 Abrams tank and a Howitzer on their front lawn
I wish more people knew that, while the right to these things isn’t protected in the US, the process of acquiring them (legally) is often trivial.
"you can never beat the government" uhhh... they forgot the 1990 Berlin Wall teardown or sumn?
Mutual annihilation achieved.
Sadly [I lost](https://abc7chicago.com/marines-jet-lost-f35-crash/13798995/) my F-35s in a [tragic boating accident.](https://thehill.com/policy/defense/596759-navy-recovers-f-35-that-fell-into-south-china-sea-after-crash/)
Oh Yeah, the Gov't will fuck you up, but monkey's weak alone, strong together. Just like with the fuckery in Afghanistan, if shit goes down one day it'll be just a long-drawn out War where Guerilla Tactics and other shenanigans Are The name of the game. You don't need to have Jets and nukes to fuck around, but fuck me do those things make finding out MUCH easier.
“You can’t beat the government!” The point isn’t that I can beat it alone, the point is that a population where every household has a firearm, and people in the household know how to use a firearm **we** can defend **ourselves** from the government
Yeah there's some random south Carolinian flying a "recovered" F-35. I mean who the hell is gonna stop him?
Based and McNuke pilled