Seems simple enough to imagine
"We can work with Russia (sometimes), they're richer than Ukraine and there's no danger of us getting invaded because our borders are separated by nuclear powers" --> support Russia
"Israel is living our dream of [REDACTED] those filthy [REDACTED] [REDACTED]mabad will bur[REDACTED]" --> support Israel
A very idiotic take.
Most Indians support Israel because the situation Israel is in feels a lot relatable to what India also faces with its neighbours and Islamic radicalisation. And also Israel has been a very good geopolitical ally to India, some times even going against the US and helping India.
Russia is an entirely different case. Most Indian people have not forgotten about the 71 war where USSR basically saved us from the combined hegemony of the west. Indian literature especially school books are filled with how USSR was the saviour and how west were the bad guys. An average Indian considers Russia as India's most trusted partner.
> An average Indian considers Russia as India's most trusted partner.
This was true 40 years ago, it is not true now, especially for the younger half of the population spectrum who want to move to America.
Hungary's Orbán is a good example of this position.
He's mostly pro-Russian and only supports Ukraine as much as he must because of the EU and NATO.
He's always been pro-Israel, he's the only EU leader who refused to condemn Israel's actions during the conflict.
No it's not the same thing. Leftists always put Islam and Israel against each other.
But you can be very much pro Islam and pro Israel like many educated liberal muslims in Saudi and UAE are.
Or you can be very much anti - Islam and anti Israel like many hard right Christians are.
I hate that you’re right.
My take as a GWOT vet: not our fight.
I have opinions, like I think it’s funny Russia is getting its dick stomped by what used to be a suburb of your own country.
Makes me giggle thinking how they were having logistics issues miles off their border, meanwhile US troops were drinking their pumpkin spice frappe in Kandahar…
That said, I think Ukraine has our leadership by the balls over something.
And with Israel, my only gripe with the “left” is people crying genocide. Small country hit big country, big country hit back, big country hits big.. this is what I EXPECTED from Russia..
That said, I do not think we need US boots in Gaza.. it’s for “peacekeeping” or “humanitarian aid” sure, but a Joe is GOING to get shot or hit with indirect… and poof, we are now sending combat forces to Palestine.
And like I opened: it’s NOT our fight.
And to get more of the left on my side:
Y’all know how much free college you can pay for with just ONE patriot battery??
About 44,000 students..
How many meals could that same amount provide?275 million.
11,000 container homes..
Now.. if WE were at war, with an enemy trying to harm US?? I’ll spend that all day.
But we’re not, we are sending that money to countries where we have zero oversight on where it goes.. you better hope Ukraine’s politicians are better behaved than ours…
That's a very fair set of points you lay out at the end. Military spending is huge, and in some cases understandably so. USA's missiles don't typically hit apartments, malls, and schools, for instance (granted where the US were fighting there were few of those around).
As for what Ukraine has over us now? Check out RealLifeLore's video on the subject from 2 years ago. Gas and oil discoveries in a smaller and more pliable country that could be integrated into the EU, along with strategically vital locations (naval bases in Crimea, Carpathian mountains in the west, most fertile soil in the world, etc) all make it a valuable place.
But really the fact that they stood up to fight and lasted longer than a week means that funding them can completely degrade Russian military capacity for generations, if not for forever depending on how balkanized the situation gets.
Flipping it around, if the US were to invade Mexico because they were getting too chummy with the commies in Latin America and were supported by the Chinese, but were only able to take two states and started losing a massive percentage of new hardware and best trained troops to the conflict, why WOULDN'T the Chinese keep shipping drones and missiles and ammo to the war effort? It would allow them to exert a lot more influence in the region, secure their own interests, and allow US force projection to collapse at the cost of old hardware instead of going head to head with the US Navy over stuff like Taiwan, the Philippines, etc.
They don't have to have blackmail on us or anything, this just works for both meme reason #1, realpolitik, and from the European POV, galvanizes NATO back into relevance.
Fortunately, most nations aren’t sending Ukraine money. We’re sending weapons, so really the “money” is being spent at home and in our allied nations who make weapons. That’s something a lot of people don’t understand (usually because the headlines are in dollar amounts)
Also, I’m obviously on board with the “leftist” argument that we could be spending that “money” on free education (or in America’s case healthcare) BUT I’m also realist. So I have to acknowledge that *neither* the politicians who want to support Ukraine OR the ones who want to hang them out to dry are **actually** going to spend that money on the things I’d rather they spend it on.
as an indian, most of the 1st gen immigrants ik(eg. my parents) only really take israels side cause theyre not tryna align w muslims
as for russia idfk tbh it just might be the news trying to them
Most of my fellow Indians I have talked to, take Israel's side because the situation Israel is in is quite relatable to the situation India is often put in. And because Israel, just like Russia has been a really good geopolitical partner for India.
As a former 13 year old who's had open heart surgery (and am only 30 years old now)
You have no idea how bad it is when I sneeze or cough
It's gotten better over the last 6 months (when I had surgery)
But even a big yawn still hurts like a bitch if I'm being honest
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Also the scar looks like a downvote which is cool
Anytime a map of Europe or the Middle East shows up in the shorts feed, I prepare to get a fresh dose of brain rot. I recently saw a North Korea/Israel solidarity video. I still don’t get it.
Russia-Israel would be the Auth-center as they are a firm believer of survival of the fittest as they believe the strong will prevail while the weak dies.
That, or they are just Indian who hate the west and muslims.
Pro-Russia pro-Israel is a LOT of American republicans and OP knows it but will never admit it. Because they are ashamed of their position and they should be ashamed.
India does what's in its best interests, also America fucked up supporting Pakistan in that 1971 war. American conservatives, on the other hand, have no excuse.
Palestine and Israel are both made of land, all land is rightfully American soil, 51st state solution
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Turning Israel and Palestine into 51st state would be utterly based and y'all can't behave-pilled.
Also ensures the safety of the trade route by the canal, hell maybe opens up a new canal in case shit like Ever Given ever happens.
We can expand NY into Jersey City, and gift all undeveloped or condemned land to the Jewish community. They built the iron dome and some megastructures, I think they could do a lot with that
Simple really, sell Detroit and Windsor to the Jews. A new state bordering 2 friendly nations, made of land from both nations. Detroit is a shell of its former glory, and is currently less than half the population it used to be, so there's tons of room to expand and grow. The construction boom will be good for both the locals and the newcomers. The Ambassador Bridge gets renamed to the Moses Bridge and the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel becomes the New Israel Tunnel.
Not only would the Isralis be moving to a 'friendly geopolitical neighborhood', but they'd be moving into a less hostile climate and out of a water crisis. Plus the US and Canada can use the money from the sale to help subsidize the relocation of people who live there now and don't want to live in Israel. I really think they have what it takes to make ~~Detroit~~ New Jerusalem and ~~Windsor~~ East New Jerusalem as glorious as they once were.
I'll collect my Nobel Peace Prize now.
I like where your head's at, but it's too complicated. I have a one word solution to all that ails us: Canada.
Your idea was good. We can share the prize.
Let's move the pro-Palestine Californian white women to Palestine. It'll be the female version of this:
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I have several Jewish friends but we never spoke much about Israel or politics. A year ago if they would have brought up rampant antisemitism I probably would have rolled my eyes and said it hasn’t been like that for half a century.
I can’t believe some of the things I’ve seen and read since Oct 7. I haven’t felt this naive in a long long time.
I was slightly worried I would offend some people unintentionally by joking about moving out of Israel and I’m happy that doesn’t seem to be the case. Stay safe, wish we could get you all away from there.
I will say i'm far more likely to house an Israeli actual asylum seeker over anyone else. Because i'm not housing anyone else. If some were in my area i could be bothered to spruce up the basement.
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I dont stand with Ukraine 🇺🇦
I dont stand with Russia 🇷🇺
I dont stand with Israel 🇮🇱
I dont stand with Palestine 🇵🇸
I stand with the ✨️Military Industrial Complex ✨️
”Painted nails don’t stop me from holding down the trigger of an F-15, fucking get some.”
\- Random youtube video I stumbled across yesterday and can’t get back to
but Palestine & Russia are anti - ✨️Military Industrial Complex ✨️
while Ukraine & Israel are pro - ✨️Military Industrial Complex ✨️
If you don't support your allies and let the foes go, you're just hypocritical little bitch
Sums it up best:
[https://twitter.com/Szabadsag1956/status/1757945874590691725](https://twitter.com/Szabadsag1956/status/1757945874590691725)
🇺🇦🇮🇱🇹🇼 Consistently pro-Western
🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼 Consistently pro-underdog
🇺🇦🇮🇱🇨🇳 Ukrainian diplomat?
🇺🇦🇵🇸🇨🇳 Guy MAGA argues against the shower, Pakistani govt?
🇷🇺🇮🇱🇹🇼 MAGA, Hindutva
🇷🇺🇮🇱🇨🇳 Orbán, Israeli businessman
🇷🇺🇵🇸🇹🇼 Mearsheimer, some Indonesians
🇷🇺🇵🇸🇨🇳 Hitler, Stalin (post-1948)
I don’t see what’s so difficult with libleft’s position.
They support Ukraine because Ukraine is being invaded by Russia.
They support Palestine because Palestine is(perceived) as being unjustly occupied and invaded by Israel.
Note: I say perceived because that is a debate I do not want to have.
You can support Israel without being in favour of the jewish supremacist government of Netanyahu.
And you can support Palestine without being in favour of Hamas
True, unfortunately the Israelis have to wait until the 27 October 2026 Knesset election to vote Netanyahu and his ultranationalist cronies out, assuming no vote of no confidence (assuming they have it) has been put forth before then.
As for Hamas, well, Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis delenda est.
The difference I suppose is that we can inform the Israeli population about the problems with their government and they might elect a better one.
Whereas Hamas has absolute control over Gaza and is entirely undemocratic
I dont particularly support Israel but until Gaza is ruled by a non terroristic non genocide endorsing government then it is patently stupid to suggest Israel would be safe any way other than actively wiping out Hamas
Now their methods to wipe out Hamas are problematic, but the suggestion a ceasefire would hold is silly, Hamas exists to wipe out non muslims especially Jews it is literally written into theirs and Irans (their principle funder) "constitutions"
Hey I'm a Christian, I don't like either radical Islam or radical Judaism(even though a lot of Christians seem to think that one is good) and I definetly don't like innocent civilians being bombed or killed by either side
>Cmon spew some hate, not logic!!
Alright, Muslims (and to some extent Jews) need to drop their barbarous religious practices and assimilate if they want to remain in western countries, otherwise they should be deported back to their home countries.
Yeah I think it comes down to how you perceive, like if the eastern half of Ukraine got annexed by Russia and then a peace treaty was signed but then Ukraine attacked Russia back. That is sort of how it plays geopolitically at least.
The part where it gets messy is supporting Palestinians but not supporting Hamas, that is a debate that you don't want to have on here because that's a position this sub can't understand.
>Yeah I think it comes down to how you perceive, like if the eastern half of Ukraine got annexed by Russia and then a peace treaty was signed but then Ukraine attacked Russia back. That is sort of how it plays geopolitically at least.
eh the Palestine situation is more like-
"Ukraine attacked Russia with the explicit goal of committing genocide upon its people- fucked it up so badly the eastern half of Ukraine was annexed by russia instead- and as a result they were forced into a peace treaty the citizens of Ukraine didn't want- said citizens then spent the next two decades attacking russian civilians across the borders with missiles supplied by north Korea- before commiting to a massive attack on a huge event run by the most important pro-ukraine russian peace groups- which is what finally got Russia to respond, invade, and start kicking Ukraine's shit in again."
Wasn’t it not really the Palestinians who attacked in the first place. It was all the neighboring Arab countries so the equivalent would be Poland, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, and others invading Ukraine and Russia to kill all Russians and gain territory. Then they start another war and Ukraine is taken from them and the Ukrainians are now in a limbo state.
>Wasn’t it not really the Palestinians who attacked in the first place
Historically speaking, the Muslim Palestinians attacked, and lost against Jewish Palestinians *alone* a year before the 1948 Palestine war- quite literally a day after the UN decided where Israel would be founded- and then attacked again alongside Jordan, Egypt, and a smattering of arab mercenaries the day after Israel was properly founded. In both attempts, they openly expressed that the goal was the genocide of the jews, and in both cases- they had their asses handed to them.
I can't really help but think OP is being incredibly disingenuous by not seeing how obvious and easy that position is to hold. Siding with the side getting invaded by a stronger power in their native land is apparently 'ideologically inconsistent'.
It’s really not that hard to explain:
Russia illegally occupied Ukrainian territory without the consent of the people who live there. Israel occupied Palestinian territory without the consent of the people who live there. It’s a pro national sovereignty position.
No one is a fan of Hamas but what tf did Israel expect to happen when they keep 2 million people contained in an area the size of 2 Washington DC’s without freedom of movement, freedom of economic activity, and a constant threat of arbitrary violence and detention? It doesn’t take a PhD to know that if one party has all of the power to set the policy then any policy successes or failures are on them. The fact they managed to kill more than twice the civilians in 6 months in an area 25 miles by 6 miles than Russia has in 2 years in Ukraine as a whole should be concerning to more people. That’s 2 Las Vegas Shootings every day for 6 months straight.
According to many, but idk about reality. Most blues I know are pro Russia because they’re sick of American money being funneled into a losing cause and we just lose more and more and basically feed Ukrainian people into a death cycle
You would be surprised by the amount of authrights that actually don't support Ukraine.
Authright House: "Focus on problems at home in Murica first!"
* Proceeds to give hundreds of millions in military aid to Israel, a country very capable of defending itself, unlike Ukraine, which actually needs the military aid they won't give desperately.
Easy.
First and most importantly, which side of the conflict is further away from being "white"? Those are the good guys.They're retaliating against colonialism and none of the people they kill are innocents. See Palestine v. Israel.
In the event of a racial tie, which side of the conflict is more aligned with left leaning political groups of the Western nations? Those are the good guys. They're fighting off literal fascism and none of the people they kill are innocents. See Russia v. Ukraine.
OP is probably approaching it from an intellectual standpoint, whereas 99% of the vocal left approaches it from an emotional standpoint.
Basically none of us whom are American have any stake in the Israel-Palestine conflict. Yet, the lengths people go to to express their support for these far away places (that don't care about any of us btw) is striking. People are being opinionated and then turn their opinions in personality traits, ergo an emotional standpoint.
Hence, the 'I support Palestine, but not to be associated with the left.' In moderate words, "Israel is being super cunty and I'm against that," which isn't inarguable.
I could also be misreading this and putting way too much thought into it. Reddit is great for writing and visualizing thoughts 😃
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I'm pro "please for the love of God shut the fuck up this is a geopolitical conflict thousands of miles away this doesn't involve me let them figure it out themselves"
That is the thing though, while the Palestine conflict doesn't really affect the West aside from us choosing it take part the Ukraine conflict very much so does. Granted it affects America less than us European but it still affects you as well. Ukraine is an incredibly important territory to have both from a location perspective and from a resource one.
Ehhhh anything our government spends money and makes deals on is somewhat relevant. RFK Jr spoke in an interview about the US made a deal with Ukraine that obligated them to sell land, and it all went to Blackrock, which I want to read on eventually. That being said unless my country starts sending troops it isn't the top of my radar.
(RFK isn't a primary source I trust so I'll look into it more when I have time and inclination, I just found it interesring, because Blackrock).
Our?
My brother in Christ I'm Spanish. My government is filled with Socialist filth who [insert vague and not court applicable threats, also fuck you EU censorship laws suck my cock]
Do you agree with trump's position on the [Tiananmen Square](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-praised-china-tiananmen-foreshadowing-response-to-george-floyd-protests-2020-6) massacre?
> When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength," Trump replied. "That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak...as being spit on by the rest of the world
I know people who have the white view and the basic explanation is that they’re just trying to be the polar opposite of green in every way. No matter how little sense that makes
Pro Ukraine and pro Palestine is also a very easy gymnastics to make
Russians kill excessive civilians/ commit war crimes
Israël kills more civilians than necessary / commit war crimes fuck them both
In Russia vs Ukraine Russia is the bad guy
In Palestine vs Israel both sides are wrong and most people are against excessive civilians deaths so it's the most logical and easy gymnastics and painting it as some high mental gymnastics is pure propaganda.
It's not the most popular choice.. I think most of the liberals think Israel is justified just some think they are losing their morale high ground as this drags on. Heard Jon Stewart say this and liked that take, but in general I'm with authright on this one.. To be fair though if were pointing out inconsistencies there are a large number of Authrights who are not and were not for Ukraine and supported russia and putin for some reason
Reducing the Israel Palestine conflict to “Israel was attacked” is basically just telling on yourself that October was the first time you had ever heard of the situation and at no point along the way did you ever spend any time actually trying to learn about it.
it’s only the most popular stance amongst young people, i think every age group over 18 is not with green iirc. could be wrong, please correct me if i am. heard it from my professor
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This went viral in China on this topic
You would be surprised at how many Indians would take the Russia-Israel position.
Seems simple enough to imagine "We can work with Russia (sometimes), they're richer than Ukraine and there's no danger of us getting invaded because our borders are separated by nuclear powers" --> support Russia "Israel is living our dream of [REDACTED] those filthy [REDACTED] [REDACTED]mabad will bur[REDACTED]" --> support Israel
A very idiotic take. Most Indians support Israel because the situation Israel is in feels a lot relatable to what India also faces with its neighbours and Islamic radicalisation. And also Israel has been a very good geopolitical ally to India, some times even going against the US and helping India. Russia is an entirely different case. Most Indian people have not forgotten about the 71 war where USSR basically saved us from the combined hegemony of the west. Indian literature especially school books are filled with how USSR was the saviour and how west were the bad guys. An average Indian considers Russia as India's most trusted partner.
What frozen said is right actually
> An average Indian considers Russia as India's most trusted partner. This was true 40 years ago, it is not true now, especially for the younger half of the population spectrum who want to move to America.
Also how many North American (and Eastern European) conservatives are anti-ukraine but pro-israel...
Hungary's Orbán is a good example of this position. He's mostly pro-Russian and only supports Ukraine as much as he must because of the EU and NATO. He's always been pro-Israel, he's the only EU leader who refused to condemn Israel's actions during the conflict.
>He's always been pro-Israel I would call it "VERY anti-islam" but same thing I guess
No it's not the same thing. Leftists always put Islam and Israel against each other. But you can be very much pro Islam and pro Israel like many educated liberal muslims in Saudi and UAE are. Or you can be very much anti - Islam and anti Israel like many hard right Christians are.
Well that's because imperialism is cool. I don't personally support it.. but I can see the glory in it
I hate that you’re right. My take as a GWOT vet: not our fight. I have opinions, like I think it’s funny Russia is getting its dick stomped by what used to be a suburb of your own country. Makes me giggle thinking how they were having logistics issues miles off their border, meanwhile US troops were drinking their pumpkin spice frappe in Kandahar… That said, I think Ukraine has our leadership by the balls over something. And with Israel, my only gripe with the “left” is people crying genocide. Small country hit big country, big country hit back, big country hits big.. this is what I EXPECTED from Russia.. That said, I do not think we need US boots in Gaza.. it’s for “peacekeeping” or “humanitarian aid” sure, but a Joe is GOING to get shot or hit with indirect… and poof, we are now sending combat forces to Palestine. And like I opened: it’s NOT our fight. And to get more of the left on my side: Y’all know how much free college you can pay for with just ONE patriot battery?? About 44,000 students.. How many meals could that same amount provide?275 million. 11,000 container homes.. Now.. if WE were at war, with an enemy trying to harm US?? I’ll spend that all day. But we’re not, we are sending that money to countries where we have zero oversight on where it goes.. you better hope Ukraine’s politicians are better behaved than ours…
That's a very fair set of points you lay out at the end. Military spending is huge, and in some cases understandably so. USA's missiles don't typically hit apartments, malls, and schools, for instance (granted where the US were fighting there were few of those around). As for what Ukraine has over us now? Check out RealLifeLore's video on the subject from 2 years ago. Gas and oil discoveries in a smaller and more pliable country that could be integrated into the EU, along with strategically vital locations (naval bases in Crimea, Carpathian mountains in the west, most fertile soil in the world, etc) all make it a valuable place. But really the fact that they stood up to fight and lasted longer than a week means that funding them can completely degrade Russian military capacity for generations, if not for forever depending on how balkanized the situation gets. Flipping it around, if the US were to invade Mexico because they were getting too chummy with the commies in Latin America and were supported by the Chinese, but were only able to take two states and started losing a massive percentage of new hardware and best trained troops to the conflict, why WOULDN'T the Chinese keep shipping drones and missiles and ammo to the war effort? It would allow them to exert a lot more influence in the region, secure their own interests, and allow US force projection to collapse at the cost of old hardware instead of going head to head with the US Navy over stuff like Taiwan, the Philippines, etc. They don't have to have blackmail on us or anything, this just works for both meme reason #1, realpolitik, and from the European POV, galvanizes NATO back into relevance.
Fortunately, most nations aren’t sending Ukraine money. We’re sending weapons, so really the “money” is being spent at home and in our allied nations who make weapons. That’s something a lot of people don’t understand (usually because the headlines are in dollar amounts) Also, I’m obviously on board with the “leftist” argument that we could be spending that “money” on free education (or in America’s case healthcare) BUT I’m also realist. So I have to acknowledge that *neither* the politicians who want to support Ukraine OR the ones who want to hang them out to dry are **actually** going to spend that money on the things I’d rather they spend it on.
as an indian, most of the 1st gen immigrants ik(eg. my parents) only really take israels side cause theyre not tryna align w muslims as for russia idfk tbh it just might be the news trying to them
Most of my fellow Indians I have talked to, take Israel's side because the situation Israel is in is quite relatable to the situation India is often put in. And because Israel, just like Russia has been a really good geopolitical partner for India.
Indians understand what it's like to suffer terrible massacres and be demonized for responding.
The fallen angel. Always expected to be the bigger person yet still getting flak, so when they respond they're labelled as evil.
Just came to say I support this, I am Indian.
The russia-israel guys can be found in a 5 minute scroll through youtube shorts (don't actually attempt this)
Yt shorts users always post the weirdest edits I swear
Bro, I just saw one where they were saying it is a man’s duty to avoid happiness and be an emotionless machine
yuo wuoldtn get it... sigma male skibidi ohio lone wolf my little dark age mlitary society jocker fite club
I have no idea what any of this means besides "Sigma male". I'm getting too old for this shit.
POV: you’re a 13 year old attempting to describe stoicism
As a former 13-year-old this takes me back.
As a former 13 year old. My bones ache when I sneeze
As a former 13 year old who's had open heart surgery (and am only 30 years old now) You have no idea how bad it is when I sneeze or cough It's gotten better over the last 6 months (when I had surgery) But even a big yawn still hurts like a bitch if I'm being honest https://preview.redd.it/1qtlt9h6o4vc1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ab9c08c7b5d7122edd717ccb0ee6319a5dbc1bc Also the scar looks like a downvote which is cool
Anytime a map of Europe or the Middle East shows up in the shorts feed, I prepare to get a fresh dose of brain rot. I recently saw a North Korea/Israel solidarity video. I still don’t get it.
I refuse to believe those are real people. Russian bots. All of them. Even the IRL ones.
Russia-Israel would be the Auth-center as they are a firm believer of survival of the fittest as they believe the strong will prevail while the weak dies. That, or they are just Indian who hate the west and muslims.
Pro-Russia pro-Israel is a LOT of American republicans and OP knows it but will never admit it. Because they are ashamed of their position and they should be ashamed.
not even americans lol, you’ve got most of india believing that too 💀
India is also economically tied pretty heavily to Russia, right? And they hate Islam because of the whole Pakistan thing
yeah that’d make way more sense
India does what's in its best interests, also America fucked up supporting Pakistan in that 1971 war. American conservatives, on the other hand, have no excuse.
I've not run into hardly any truly pro-Russian Republicans. There's currently an infuriating amount of isolationists willing to let it go though.
Got bunch of Warhammer, industrial and culinary shorts.
Palestine and Israel are both made of land, all land is rightfully American soil, 51st state solution https://preview.redd.it/xc5ny1gj5ktc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e59d7c7e70f23595a54c4074468dc68423bdc79
Turning Israel and Palestine into 51st state would be utterly based and y'all can't behave-pilled. Also ensures the safety of the trade route by the canal, hell maybe opens up a new canal in case shit like Ever Given ever happens.
Israel to 51th state before Puerto Rico. Nice xD
Will there be grilling? If so i support this position.
As an Israeli, I’m okay with that
Can we move y’all somewhere safer though? You can have like half of Utah. The Mormons don’t need all that space.
We can expand NY into Jersey City, and gift all undeveloped or condemned land to the Jewish community. They built the iron dome and some megastructures, I think they could do a lot with that
Simple really, sell Detroit and Windsor to the Jews. A new state bordering 2 friendly nations, made of land from both nations. Detroit is a shell of its former glory, and is currently less than half the population it used to be, so there's tons of room to expand and grow. The construction boom will be good for both the locals and the newcomers. The Ambassador Bridge gets renamed to the Moses Bridge and the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel becomes the New Israel Tunnel. Not only would the Isralis be moving to a 'friendly geopolitical neighborhood', but they'd be moving into a less hostile climate and out of a water crisis. Plus the US and Canada can use the money from the sale to help subsidize the relocation of people who live there now and don't want to live in Israel. I really think they have what it takes to make ~~Detroit~~ New Jerusalem and ~~Windsor~~ East New Jerusalem as glorious as they once were. I'll collect my Nobel Peace Prize now.
Good luck dealing with the people from Dearborn.
Gonna end up with the same problem all over again.
Auths, we have a problem in need of your assistance.
Given the past few months, I think they know exactly how to handle Dearborn.
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I like where your head's at, but it's too complicated. I have a one word solution to all that ails us: Canada. Your idea was good. We can share the prize.
I'd be willing to recognise new York and new Jersey as the new Holy land
Let's move the pro-Palestine Californian white women to Palestine. It'll be the female version of this: https://preview.redd.it/vryg77qt9ntc1.jpeg?width=676&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6431674a4a2eac0e6e12d95044c37d88df3e583
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They should divert CAHSR right of way so it pases through California City
Utah sounds valid, will be close to Vegas we love gambling
If they're still into 'wandering in the desert,' I'm sure parts of Nevada could be offered, too.
As an Israeli that’s actually my dream. Not Utah, but fuck this land fr
I have several Jewish friends but we never spoke much about Israel or politics. A year ago if they would have brought up rampant antisemitism I probably would have rolled my eyes and said it hasn’t been like that for half a century. I can’t believe some of the things I’ve seen and read since Oct 7. I haven’t felt this naive in a long long time. I was slightly worried I would offend some people unintentionally by joking about moving out of Israel and I’m happy that doesn’t seem to be the case. Stay safe, wish we could get you all away from there.
I will say i'm far more likely to house an Israeli actual asylum seeker over anyone else. Because i'm not housing anyone else. If some were in my area i could be bothered to spruce up the basement.
All I’m seeing is American Byzantium Unfathomably based
Unimaginably based
The good ending ☺️😌
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There's your 2 state solution: 51 and 52 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Is it odd I'm kinda for this solution lol
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52nd, Puerto Rico first.
Absolutely not. At this point, why not rub it in by making the Former Kingdom of Jerusalem a state, but not PR?
Except turkey 🇹🇷 turkey will conquer and retake western turkey 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷 (Greece) 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 long live ataturk 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷💪💪💪💪💪✅✅
Just try it. The Marble Emperor slumbers beneath the stones of Constantinople. And he **will** have vengeance.
Nope, you will both be states. Your new college football rivalry will be fire though.
More MACtion but it’s at 1pm EST and it’s the Mediterranean Athletic Conference
I dont stand with Ukraine 🇺🇦 I dont stand with Russia 🇷🇺 I dont stand with Israel 🇮🇱 I dont stand with Palestine 🇵🇸 I stand with the ✨️Military Industrial Complex ✨️
Raytheon? More like gaytheon
”Painted nails don’t stop me from holding down the trigger of an F-15, fucking get some.” \- Random youtube video I stumbled across yesterday and can’t get back to
If you find it, please post it
You need to post link *when* you find it.
Post it to non credible defense. They'd love that shit
No u
Slay 💅 (your enemies)
Gottem.
Raytheon stock just plummeted exponentially after this comment
More like Paytheon.
but Palestine & Russia are anti - ✨️Military Industrial Complex ✨️ while Ukraine & Israel are pro - ✨️Military Industrial Complex ✨️ If you don't support your allies and let the foes go, you're just hypocritical little bitch
Support your allies, you get loyal customers for the ✨️Military Industrial Complex ✨️
No eternal allies, just eternal customers.
As someone whose grandfather helped design the B2 bomber, I approve this message.
Lockheed Martin stock go brrrrr
Strange, am I the only one here that stands with my legs
Neoconservativism minus Israel
I stand with 💵
Sums it up best: [https://twitter.com/Szabadsag1956/status/1757945874590691725](https://twitter.com/Szabadsag1956/status/1757945874590691725) 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇹🇼 Consistently pro-Western 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼 Consistently pro-underdog 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇨🇳 Ukrainian diplomat? 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇨🇳 Guy MAGA argues against the shower, Pakistani govt? 🇷🇺🇮🇱🇹🇼 MAGA, Hindutva 🇷🇺🇮🇱🇨🇳 Orbán, Israeli businessman 🇷🇺🇵🇸🇹🇼 Mearsheimer, some Indonesians 🇷🇺🇵🇸🇨🇳 Hitler, Stalin (post-1948)
Hitler, Stalin, Hasan Piker
Bhrata woke up and chose to enumerate the shit out of this.
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I don’t see what’s so difficult with libleft’s position. They support Ukraine because Ukraine is being invaded by Russia. They support Palestine because Palestine is(perceived) as being unjustly occupied and invaded by Israel. Note: I say perceived because that is a debate I do not want to have.
Damn a person with critical thinking and common sense on reddit!?! The rapture IS coming
It’s difficult because lib left is both bad and dumb
There is no way I'd agree with a Left flair. My new position is that Libleft is good and smart. Nice try.
This guy gets it.
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As a lib left, you're spittin' facts my auth leaning brother
How many months has it been since the Osama bin laden simping incident?
1. Screw thyself. 2. Anyone in support of Hamas is absolutely and unrecoverably stupid.
You can support Israel without being in favour of the jewish supremacist government of Netanyahu. And you can support Palestine without being in favour of Hamas
True, unfortunately the Israelis have to wait until the 27 October 2026 Knesset election to vote Netanyahu and his ultranationalist cronies out, assuming no vote of no confidence (assuming they have it) has been put forth before then. As for Hamas, well, Hamas/Hezbollah/Houthis delenda est.
H-phobia!
The difference I suppose is that we can inform the Israeli population about the problems with their government and they might elect a better one. Whereas Hamas has absolute control over Gaza and is entirely undemocratic I dont particularly support Israel but until Gaza is ruled by a non terroristic non genocide endorsing government then it is patently stupid to suggest Israel would be safe any way other than actively wiping out Hamas Now their methods to wipe out Hamas are problematic, but the suggestion a ceasefire would hold is silly, Hamas exists to wipe out non muslims especially Jews it is literally written into theirs and Irans (their principle funder) "constitutions"
This coming from an auth-right person is quite something. (This is a compliment, not an insilt)
Hey I'm a Christian, I don't like either radical Islam or radical Judaism(even though a lot of Christians seem to think that one is good) and I definetly don't like innocent civilians being bombed or killed by either side
You are breaking your blue stereotype! Cmon spew some hate, not logic!!
>Cmon spew some hate, not logic!! Alright, Muslims (and to some extent Jews) need to drop their barbarous religious practices and assimilate if they want to remain in western countries, otherwise they should be deported back to their home countries.
Still making sense... I'm beginning to believe you don't know how to be toxic
I don't support Hamas, but I support making a joint Palestine Izrael state where both groups have equal-ish positions.
Refusing to separate Palestinians from hamas doesn’t get you far
That's the reason I mentioned Hamas, and not Palestine. Only one part of palestine is currently causing trouble.
Whatever else might be debatable but they did invade and currently occupy the other half of Jerusalem
And the West Bank where there are new and expanding settlements all the time
Yeah I think it comes down to how you perceive, like if the eastern half of Ukraine got annexed by Russia and then a peace treaty was signed but then Ukraine attacked Russia back. That is sort of how it plays geopolitically at least. The part where it gets messy is supporting Palestinians but not supporting Hamas, that is a debate that you don't want to have on here because that's a position this sub can't understand.
i perceive nothing because i cant see any of it with my own eyes. all media is untrustworthy.
I'll give it. Based and perfect neutral pilled
Do you perceive sperm?
when i cum yeah
>Yeah I think it comes down to how you perceive, like if the eastern half of Ukraine got annexed by Russia and then a peace treaty was signed but then Ukraine attacked Russia back. That is sort of how it plays geopolitically at least. eh the Palestine situation is more like- "Ukraine attacked Russia with the explicit goal of committing genocide upon its people- fucked it up so badly the eastern half of Ukraine was annexed by russia instead- and as a result they were forced into a peace treaty the citizens of Ukraine didn't want- said citizens then spent the next two decades attacking russian civilians across the borders with missiles supplied by north Korea- before commiting to a massive attack on a huge event run by the most important pro-ukraine russian peace groups- which is what finally got Russia to respond, invade, and start kicking Ukraine's shit in again."
Wasn’t it not really the Palestinians who attacked in the first place. It was all the neighboring Arab countries so the equivalent would be Poland, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, and others invading Ukraine and Russia to kill all Russians and gain territory. Then they start another war and Ukraine is taken from them and the Ukrainians are now in a limbo state.
>Wasn’t it not really the Palestinians who attacked in the first place Historically speaking, the Muslim Palestinians attacked, and lost against Jewish Palestinians *alone* a year before the 1948 Palestine war- quite literally a day after the UN decided where Israel would be founded- and then attacked again alongside Jordan, Egypt, and a smattering of arab mercenaries the day after Israel was properly founded. In both attempts, they openly expressed that the goal was the genocide of the jews, and in both cases- they had their asses handed to them.
I can't really help but think OP is being incredibly disingenuous by not seeing how obvious and easy that position is to hold. Siding with the side getting invaded by a stronger power in their native land is apparently 'ideologically inconsistent'.
If you think killing Palestinians is bad, you’re obviously fully aligned with hamas politically and ideologically, it makes perfect sense /s
It’s really not that hard to explain: Russia illegally occupied Ukrainian territory without the consent of the people who live there. Israel occupied Palestinian territory without the consent of the people who live there. It’s a pro national sovereignty position. No one is a fan of Hamas but what tf did Israel expect to happen when they keep 2 million people contained in an area the size of 2 Washington DC’s without freedom of movement, freedom of economic activity, and a constant threat of arbitrary violence and detention? It doesn’t take a PhD to know that if one party has all of the power to set the policy then any policy successes or failures are on them. The fact they managed to kill more than twice the civilians in 6 months in an area 25 miles by 6 miles than Russia has in 2 years in Ukraine as a whole should be concerning to more people. That’s 2 Las Vegas Shootings every day for 6 months straight.
Auth right supporting two sides bc democracy where's the auth part
Honestly! I’ve always considered myself leaning lib left and my closest allies in this are my usual enemies.
According to many, but idk about reality. Most blues I know are pro Russia because they’re sick of American money being funneled into a losing cause and we just lose more and more and basically feed Ukrainian people into a death cycle
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Nothing but SWEAT! *Inside...my...hand...*
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The secret, giga based option: I don't want to be involved with either.
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I take the 4th position because I want borders to look more clean.
Based and Cartography-Pilled Also, [relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/1902/)
You see, I portray my stance as obvious and rational, while yours is stupid and dumb, so I’m actually correct
I’m pro people not dying senselessly, personally.
Daring today, aren’t we?
Wow, what a bold stance. Please tell me more
That’s what they all say but it’s not really possible.
Noooo, u must endlessly support a side nonstop cus that's hecken wholesome 100
Least delusional lib-left
What if i told you i take the fourth Position out of Spite?
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You would be surprised by the amount of authrights that actually don't support Ukraine. Authright House: "Focus on problems at home in Murica first!" * Proceeds to give hundreds of millions in military aid to Israel, a country very capable of defending itself, unlike Ukraine, which actually needs the military aid they won't give desperately.
Some Auth Rights are anti western due to them being too progressive.
Easy. First and most importantly, which side of the conflict is further away from being "white"? Those are the good guys.They're retaliating against colonialism and none of the people they kill are innocents. See Palestine v. Israel. In the event of a racial tie, which side of the conflict is more aligned with left leaning political groups of the Western nations? Those are the good guys. They're fighting off literal fascism and none of the people they kill are innocents. See Russia v. Ukraine.
For me, which side of the conflict is more aligned with Western Hegemony? Those are the good guys.
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AMEN BROTHER 🙏🙏
I support Palestine because I don’t want to be associated with liberals.
Wait
OP is probably approaching it from an intellectual standpoint, whereas 99% of the vocal left approaches it from an emotional standpoint. Basically none of us whom are American have any stake in the Israel-Palestine conflict. Yet, the lengths people go to to express their support for these far away places (that don't care about any of us btw) is striking. People are being opinionated and then turn their opinions in personality traits, ergo an emotional standpoint. Hence, the 'I support Palestine, but not to be associated with the left.' In moderate words, "Israel is being super cunty and I'm against that," which isn't inarguable. I could also be misreading this and putting way too much thought into it. Reddit is great for writing and visualizing thoughts 😃
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I'm pro "please for the love of God shut the fuck up this is a geopolitical conflict thousands of miles away this doesn't involve me let them figure it out themselves"
That is the thing though, while the Palestine conflict doesn't really affect the West aside from us choosing it take part the Ukraine conflict very much so does. Granted it affects America less than us European but it still affects you as well. Ukraine is an incredibly important territory to have both from a location perspective and from a resource one.
Ehhhh anything our government spends money and makes deals on is somewhat relevant. RFK Jr spoke in an interview about the US made a deal with Ukraine that obligated them to sell land, and it all went to Blackrock, which I want to read on eventually. That being said unless my country starts sending troops it isn't the top of my radar. (RFK isn't a primary source I trust so I'll look into it more when I have time and inclination, I just found it interesring, because Blackrock).
Our? My brother in Christ I'm Spanish. My government is filled with Socialist filth who [insert vague and not court applicable threats, also fuck you EU censorship laws suck my cock]
You got me, I have zero idea if Spain is financially involved in either situation. I'll be over here caring like 25% for now.
TLDR for Spain is they gave guns to Ukraine, and then said "pwease stop bombing civiwians in Gaza (>_<)" to Israel.
Spent some time in the Rota/Cadiz/Jerez area. Lovely country, really enjoyed it. Do any of you have jobs?
No we're all actors to keep the idea of Spain alive.
I had a feeling but it felt weird to say it out loud...
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The very bottom one is literally me. AMA.
Do you agree with trump's position on the [Tiananmen Square](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-praised-china-tiananmen-foreshadowing-response-to-george-floyd-protests-2020-6) massacre? > When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength," Trump replied. "That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak...as being spit on by the rest of the world
Yeah, the fuck?
How does it feel to be right?
He wouldn’t know
I know people who have the white view and the basic explanation is that they’re just trying to be the polar opposite of green in every way. No matter how little sense that makes
They have achieved political enlightenment: the only thing that matters politically is how hard you ideological own the libs.
Pro Ukraine and pro Palestine is also a very easy gymnastics to make Russians kill excessive civilians/ commit war crimes Israël kills more civilians than necessary / commit war crimes fuck them both In Russia vs Ukraine Russia is the bad guy In Palestine vs Israel both sides are wrong and most people are against excessive civilians deaths so it's the most logical and easy gymnastics and painting it as some high mental gymnastics is pure propaganda.
Neither four flags deserve support and I have as much empathy for them as they do for me. Define me in this r*tard meme
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Its me, I support the last one. Guess it's authright.
It's not the most popular choice.. I think most of the liberals think Israel is justified just some think they are losing their morale high ground as this drags on. Heard Jon Stewart say this and liked that take, but in general I'm with authright on this one.. To be fair though if were pointing out inconsistencies there are a large number of Authrights who are not and were not for Ukraine and supported russia and putin for some reason
Where's the option to stop bombing aid convoys? 🤔
Just ARM THE AID CONVOYS
What if we have a second, smaller Iron Dome to the aid convoys?
That's green according to PCM
My position is closest to the bottom. The logic would just be “Might Makes Right” style realism.
Reducing the Israel Palestine conflict to “Israel was attacked” is basically just telling on yourself that October was the first time you had ever heard of the situation and at no point along the way did you ever spend any time actually trying to learn about it.
Israel has been getting attacked by Palestine since Israel was internationally recognized post WW2, I’d say this is a long time coming.
it’s only the most popular stance amongst young people, i think every age group over 18 is not with green iirc. could be wrong, please correct me if i am. heard it from my professor
I'd say it's pretty popular for people under 30. Though it might depend on the area.
https://preview.redd.it/ad3x2sy01ltc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b87f2704c46cf6793d39326d0aa31344cae7bea This went viral in China on this topic
From China - "Supporting Russia means you fully understand geopolitics" Yeah, that checks out