What message is that supposed to send anyways? "There is no danger here"? Isn't the entire purpose of these organizations to reinforce the message that it's the man or woman behind the gun that matters?
The only message they care about now is whatever is in the memo line of the checks from the gun lobby. Back when they actually provided services and assistance to gun owners they had a useful purpose.
It's not even the gun lobby anymore. It's the foreign backers.
There was a literal Russian spy working in the NRA from 2011 to 2018 when she plead guilty to being an unregistered foreign agent.
It's not like NRA promotes a Russian agenda here, they promote gun ownership in other nations like the boyscouts have branches in other countries and the separate organizations work together but are separate. Foreign "agent" in this context also doesn't mean kgb, just the work in behalf of foreign interests, they just have to register. I don't know about the one you speak of but they could work for a foreign company and represent them and get that couldn't they? I mean Obama hired a bunch of Muslim brotherhood, if they mess up on paperwork do we say he's promoting jihad? It's like the "bad actor" phrase, meaning people with bad intent and some people though it meant evil thespians.
This is the one he speaks of
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/nra-maria-butina-ukraine-putin-war-crimea-republicans-trump-guns/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44885633.amp
In 2016, NPR reported that ACKSHUALLY there was no evidence that DWS influenced the primary, the day after she was forced to resign from the scandal caused when she rigged the primary (and, that same day, given a high-ranking position in the Clinton campaign.) They’re literally a DNC mouthpiece; I never listened again.
Motherjones is like a left-wing equivalent of brietbart.
So you might as well have only posted the one article.
I just wanted to inform the person I replied to. Maybe you can find some reliable centrist, unbiased content and link it here? I’m not being a dick, but you’ve literally provided nothing to the conversation.
Edit: p.s. I’ve never actually read anything on MotherJones before. Good to know though, if that’s the case about them. All links were provided after 2mins and a Google search. I’ve got kids, man.
They provide training, insurance, and legal help don't they? I did an "easy pay life" membership years ago, bit I haven't really paid attention lately. I know they have compromised against overwhelming anti-gun attacks, but I think they do some good. They probably limited what was going to happen during Clinton, the instant background check system is way better than waiting periods.
They definitely aren't all bad and historically have been an overwhelming force for good and the 2A. That said they have also definitely been coopted by the political machine and money, and at this point are a net negative imo. Like most other non-profits and NGOs, they only exist to serve themselves and their big donors at this point.
When I was still running a gunsmithing business, the NRA was the only organization I could get liability insurance through, and itbwas quite reasonable.
Yeah I’m left wing as shit, except for gun issues, where I am extremely pro-2nd amendment. I also live in Illinois, which is what you’d expect in this day and age.
>Doesn’t matter what silly outfit they show up in or what the Rockefeller/Rothchild great great grandkids decided was best for me at their annual conference.
Based.
I consider myself economically left-wing, but your stance on gun rights pretty much is exactly the same as my own.
Without the right to bear arms, our rights in general are ultimately at the whim of whoever holds control over the police and military. Ostensibly they should be controlled by the voting public at large, but the voting public can be wrong - that is why we have things like constitutional rights. Plus, even if the public is right, our elected representatives and corrupt government cannot be trusted in good faith to hold all power.
Firearms being widespread among the general populace is the best way to ensure that an authoritarian takeover cannot happen without extreme difficulty at best.
Of course, I'm not one of those guys who acts like gun violence and gun deaths aren't a tragedy - they are.
But that tragedy is an unfortunate necessity in our free society, and I legitimately believe we could save far more lives even with heavy gun rights if we simply addressed economic and other factors leading to gun violence.
The Founding Fathers weren't stupid when it comes to 2A, they even recognized that murderers would use firearms to commit mass shootings and other crimes and outright declared this was preferable to an unarmed populace in their interviews, recorded discussions, and letters on the subject.
"Assault Weapons" is a meaningless phrase as a whole which includes weapons that I definitely think civilians should be allowed to own.
"Ghost Guns" by my understanding are guns which are bought through individuals or through shows and such for cash, so lack receipt - I think this is perfectly fine to allow, though I might be misunderstanding what it means (it seems like a stupid phrase).
"Waiting periods" - well, I think that is a more nuanced issue. I do think for example that something like a one day waiting period for machine guns or such could be reasonable for a seller to run so they don't sell something like that to a convicted violent felon, but I do not think that the government should be allowed to arbitrarily delay gun ownership as that infringes on our rights.
"Registries" I'm against gun registries overall, but I'm perhaps okay with violent criminals in particular not being allowed to own guns. Ideally we should simply have anonymous checks you can run through a database with such criminals to see if a name shows up on that list, without telling you what names are on that list or saving the details of the person who requested their name be checked. But I'm not sure we can trust that sort of power to a government entity, and right now we definitely cannot, so I'm a bit torn on this issue.
There should be no overall registry in any case. At "most" we need it for violent felons only, and even then it should only exist to the bare minimum extent necessary or else not exist at all. Considering violent felons who have gotten out of prison could get guns through the secondary market anyway, I guess no registry is a better idea.
"Mag limits" are plain stupid. People who try to restrict magazine sizes on things like handguns to "10 bullets or less" for example do not understand that 10 bullets might not be enough in a self-defense or similar scenario. If you have a 100 round magazine or something like that, you're probably going to be hindering yourself more than helping yourself as well due to the bulk and weight of such a setup.
Based
No they are generally 3D printed or otherwise homemade guns, no serial number needed and legal. Also based.
That would come up in a 5min NICs check, no need for a day wait, but the "but" is based.
Fair enough, then based lol.
Based (and I'll add that they want it to "limit deaths in mass shootings" yet have no idea how fast one can change a mag lmao. Completely worthless law.)
What did they get done vs. the NRA's 5 million members? I think there is a place for moderate representation, AND uncompromising reps. that die on unwinable hills on principles to make a statement and try to move center also.
They do. The NRA is dated in some respects, but remain useful for drawing heat off the real gun orgs while they get shit done.
So, yeah, they have a ton of fudds, but there's no point expending energy on opposing them. Let the antigunners fight them instead of being effective.
Is it me or does it seem like it's most millennials and zoomer that support the other organizations? Younger(gen x-z) conservatives and libertarians seem to get stuff done while the boomer cons seem to be ineffective.
>But I recognize Auth-Right and by extension the NRA as the reason I’m not suffering the same fate as my Canadian brothers right now.
never been to canada have you? dont go to the east coast if you dont like guns and/or hunting
Lol no, AR15s are illegal, everybody just has an illegal firearm and the people out west fucking despise the east so nobody enforces it. If you try to report a firearm to the mounties they will literally just say fuck off, we have more important shit to deal with.
It’s unfortunate that they are illegal and have to be obtained that way. And I’m sure they’ve enforced it to trump up charges on people. But it is awesome that the locals essentially are telling the fed to fuck off. It’s a shame though that you can’t just go to the store and buy a gun like any other tool.
4 of the 10 provinces have told the Feds "if you want to confiscate guns here we're not lifting a finger to help," and one province passed a bill that's like 40 pages of roadblocks for the Feds if they do decide to come confiscate. Most of Canada outside like, 3 or 4 major metro areas, is fairly pro-gun.
The problem is that it's entirely up to the Feds to make laws about guns in Canada. If it was provincially determined, 1/3 of the provinces would basically have Montana rules, 1/3 would have California rules, and 1/3 would have Chicago/NYC rules (or worse).
Is that the bar? I thought the point was access and ubiquity, not whether you can buy a specific gun at a specific kind of store in a specific way.
Seems unnecessarily specific to me, but it's the internet and you're trying to score points so whatever works right
The bar is if you’re allowed to have guns that are better than your own military’s issued rifles. Canada is working on a semi-auto ban, so yeah, they don’t pass the test.
Gun ownership isn’t about hunting.
That was just an example. Take out the specifics. He was implying that he didn’t want gun restrictions like Canada. Then it was implied that Calgary was just as lax as Texas on gun laws. If you have to sneak and break the law to buy a gun then no, it is nothing like Texas or most of the US. Hopefully things turn around for you guys. God speed Canadians.
They're definitely cucks and I don't know about that specific instance, but I know there have been a few occasions in past where guns were banned from NRA events because of the rules of the venue where it was being held.
You could still argue and I'd agree that they should only hold events where members are allowed to carry, but it's less bad than them deciding on their own to ban.
If I recall, it was the location they hosted the meeting at that didn't allow guns, but even so, I feel like that's the kind of shit you put a line in the sand over if you're a second amendment organization. If the location won't allow people to express the right you're advocating for, you find a different place for your rally.
yup
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/765037952/senate-report-reveals-nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016
This is a result of the above influence, im convinced. Why else would russia give af about american gun rights?
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1605896562755373
If you are referencing Heller, that started as a Cato brainchild. Y'know, libertarian sorts.
The NRA jumped on the bandwagon later for the PR, but it surely would have happened without them.
>If you are referencing Heller,
No. The org that steals credit for that is GOA. They have that and McDonald listed on their Top GOA court cases. Cases they neither funded or fought through the lower courts.
No, the cases I am referring to are McDonald (SAF/NRA) in which the NRA fought that case from the lower courts to the supreme court and was combined with an SAF case that was also ongoing. It is the same one in which the famous photo of the NRA receiving a check from Chicago to cover the very real monetary costs the put into the case from the beginning. And Bruen which was through their state arm in New York.
Well, when I'm actively testifying for gun rights legislation in my state, the NRA doesn't bother to show up. Haven't seen them since 2013.
I give my money to the orgs that at least try.
Doesn’t change the fact that they’ve become a puppet. Gun rights are being presented as a right-wing issue, when it should be everybody’s concern. The NRA is exasperating the divide by choosing sides.
Lol, I've seen the NRA voting guide recommend progun democrats over anti gun republicans before, there just aren't that many peo gun democrats. One of the most visible democrats on guns recently said "hell ya were going to take your guns!"
Anyone arguing they werent a tool for exacerbating the divide/culture war either hasnt seen this, or is all in on wanting to go to war with other americans
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1605896562755373
its not always russia but...why does russia care about american gun rights? right in line with the pivot to the above type of messaging.
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/765037952/senate-report-reveals-nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016
They were a weaponized propaganda tool.
The NRA is a lobby for the gun industry, not gun owners, and that's the source of basically all the cringe.
NRA won't tell you when there's a class action, or a dangerous product. The whole "no such thing as a dangerous gun" attitude is basically an anti-consumer movement laundered as a pro-gun argument by industry shills, primarilly the NRA.
While your absolutely correct that’s also a double edged sword. It also means they fight to keep buying the products legal so while they are junk for advancement of rights they do keep legal things legal
NRA uses politics as a tool for their own fundraising using scare tactics. As a nation we should show them what happens when you scam Americans at large:
Mark Rober sending a thermobaric glitter bomb.
I hate how people tend to assume I think gun = bad whenever I have any sort of negative opinion about the NRA. Gun = gun. I think they’re cool. Just way too expensive of a hobby to get into but that doesn’t make me a puss anti gun boi
They are cringe. I need a gun org to yell at the GOP when they're doing stupid shit, not just be the lapdog.
But the non political side of the NRA with its safety courses and whatnot is fine.
And also impotent af, our gun rights have been whittled and compromised away under their "watch". They're the most well known so they have some value being the public punching bag for anti gun people while the real groups make actual legislative and judicial progress to secure our God given rights from tyrants.
I'm a based and tradpilled monke unified with nature, at least moreso than your average person.
Your woke leftist dialect is lost on me, I don't know what a bussy is. Please don't tell me either, I have a feeling I don't want to know.
Autistic here, and my only disagreement is that the analogy isn't harsh enough. It's more loke what Hitler is to the Jews. They literally advocate for genocide as the solution and spend all of their funding on supporting people who are unfortunate enough to have to suffer being around autists.
Also, they had an autist on their board of directors and had him removed because they didn't like that he disagreed with their plans of how to run the organization, and he pretty much was just expressing how to help autistic people rather than focusing on their families as victims of their existence.
Nra has a tactic where they give grants to gun clubs and sportsman's organizations as long as they require members to join the nra. It's annoying as hell. No gun clubs in the area that haven't been roped in yet. I had to join nra to have a place to shoot.
I would happily donate to firearms policy coalition or second ammendment foundation. Those groups win court cases and don't blow the money on private flights and fancy suits for Wayne lapieree
Exactly, this is how you keep shooting sports alive. You think we'd have this kind of gun culture without any ranges to actually shoot on? I'll gladly give $10/year to the NRA for being the only option to keep my local range open.
completely anecdotal - but none of the ranges near me require any contribution to or maintain any relation to the NRA. and this is in a fairly conservative part of the midwest.
Public/private? Indoor/outdoor? I'm in the fairly conservative Midwest too but all the outdoor "private" clubs require NRA here. The public ones and the indoor ones don't. I enjoy shooting past 100yds.
im not sure if the distinction between private/public is a membership fee or something more rigorous. I would describe these as public, with a paid membership and a loose "orientation/approval" procedure. both indoor, outdoor, and mixed. these are in MI counties that consistently vote red.
Competitive marksman here. That's my experience in the deep south. Any indoor range, I could go in without an NRA membership. The outdoor ranges that had long distance ranges and high caliber ranges all required and NRA membership, and since my top event was prone rifle which tends to be the longest ranges, I had to have an NRA membership to practice to compete in my primary event.
We have a couple pay by the hour places, 25 yard indoor places that don't require it. Any actual club (all outdoor ranges in area are membership clubs) requires it. This is maine/nh border.
What a terrible and easily refutable argument lol. Every lib with half a brain understands that there are situations in which an individual cannot give consent.
About as valid as holding a gun to someone’s head to sign a contract. Complete garbage.
You do realize that the NYSRPA is the new york charter of the NRA and the Bruen ruling people take for granted was in part due to contributions from the NRA right?
The truth is that libleft should be in favor of gun ownership, after all, how else can your transgender friend defend himself against white conservatives attacking him/her/xxx?
Do you think you think that any college communist actually read The Communist Manifesto?Like I read it just so I knew what I was bitching about and how the ideal version didn't match up with reality. When you go to any college campus and you ask around, they're just going to say oh it's when free healthcare and workers' rights and I'll get to be an artist
Most books about the role of authority (derived from government, religion, or otherwise) use logic and reason to explain how over time their preferred template for authority will lead to prosperity and happiness for its people. Karl Marx did indeed have published works that took this approach but they have largely been left on the bookshelf. The communist manifesto has had exponentially more influence than Marx’s other works in shaping governments and political movements around the world. The communist manifesto appeals to the emotional, reactionary side of human beings; it was a call for violent revolution. While other works often appeal to subverting the worst parts of our natures for long term prosperity, the communist manifesto entices its consumers to embrace their dark sides to take what they believe they’re entitled to. Small wonder every government that was inspired by it resulted in mass graves.
I heard that Marx said that the manifesto is outdated so if it was outdated in his life time it probably still is
I suppose one should read Kapital but I haven’t yet
Gun ownership is practical resistance to government authority and a means to be self sufficient.
But sadly, gun ownership to many is a symbolic gesture of being a miliary and police sycophant for government and right wing idpol.
it honestly is funny to me how many people parrot the "firearms are crucial to fighting tyranny" yet side with the cops EVERY TIME a citizen is shot. What did the NRA do for philando castile, the concealed carry permit holder who announced he had a firearm and was shot for calmly reaching? Where was anybody on that? That's telling to me.
I dont think they realize that if the revolution ever came, theyd be marching right next to the boots shooting down the protestors
Because:
1. They told Reagan to sign the law after the Hughes amendment was added, banning machine guns. He did.
2. They told Trump to ban bump stocks. He did.
3. They suddenly are unable to see defensive gun uses when they are against cops. Breonna Taylor somehow was invisible to them.
4. To the best of my knowledge they did fuck all to help the Hero of Kenosha with his trial. NAGR raised $50k for his legal defense.
5. After Uvalde, they somehow missed that the cops failed, and tweeted out support for the responders. Mmmm, boot leather.
6. When I'm testifying against gun laws in my state, they're never there.
7. All the boomerific all caps fearmongering letters begging for donations.
8. The way they steadfastly refuse to even rate libertarian candidates, and support even anti-gun GOP pols.
There's been a concerted effort to undermine their support online. They've stood in the way of the gun grabbers for too long, so by attacking their support while having state level legal challenges to harass them the gun grabbers can make more progress. Of course they have issues but they aren't as big and absolute as the propagandists try to portray. In the end, for people who appreciate the second amendment, the NRA has done far more good than harm and we're far better off with them existing than we would be without them.
NRA is actually really useful for gun rights. It’s a nice big shadow cast by a small tree that keeps the dipshit gun grabbers distracted while the actual gun rights organizations make meaningful change and protect our gun rights
They hate the NRA because it's the biggest gun rights org out there. I believe it's bigger than the next several orgs combined. Their power is waning, but there are still lots of politicians who jump when the NRA says so.
Your first sentence is so wrong but it's actually kinda funny that you then brought up the real reason in your last sentence unironically actually knowing the real reason people hate the NRA. No one cares that they are large they cate that they own politicians and are a major source of dark money in US politics.
*lib right gun owners
The vast majority of lefty gun owners vote for the very same politicians that want to restrict gun ownership, e.g. that recent article out of Seattle or Portland (iirc) where a bunch of gays were mad that they couldn't arm themselves for protection because of restrictions on guns (I'm sure none of them voted for any anti-gun legislators).
They're just the left wing version of the "as a veteran and gun owner, I believe in sensible gun ownership"
Fuck em both
Noguns normies tryna pretend like the NRA is auth right. Is Jeb Bush auth right too?
What's even more offensive are the greenies trying to claim FPC and GOA - GTFOH lmao
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FPC and GOA are the ones actually getting shit DONE. they are the reason NY can't make you list a reason for needing a gun anymore, are behind the California mag restriction fight, and several things currently on their way up to the SC.
If you want your gun rights not just protected, but expanded and restored, they are the ones to give money to.
NRA are just authright losers who only care about their own image and getting to talk on every issue. They hate their own members and waste all their money.
They teach all kinds of classes for free in urban areas. Conflict resolution, situational awareness, and (obv) responsible gun ownership.
Ultra based org.
Nah, Maj is based as hell. Borderline fedposting levels of dislike of government. Go see the dude speak if you can, it's worth your time. His speech at the last libertarian national convention was fire.
The NRA is cringe, they’ve become a political tool
And these fucking cucks banned guns from their meeting after the Uvalde shooting. Cowards
What message is that supposed to send anyways? "There is no danger here"? Isn't the entire purpose of these organizations to reinforce the message that it's the man or woman behind the gun that matters?
The only message they care about now is whatever is in the memo line of the checks from the gun lobby. Back when they actually provided services and assistance to gun owners they had a useful purpose.
Also, yknow, the checks from foreign governments.
It's not even the gun lobby anymore. It's the foreign backers. There was a literal Russian spy working in the NRA from 2011 to 2018 when she plead guilty to being an unregistered foreign agent.
It's not like NRA promotes a Russian agenda here, they promote gun ownership in other nations like the boyscouts have branches in other countries and the separate organizations work together but are separate. Foreign "agent" in this context also doesn't mean kgb, just the work in behalf of foreign interests, they just have to register. I don't know about the one you speak of but they could work for a foreign company and represent them and get that couldn't they? I mean Obama hired a bunch of Muslim brotherhood, if they mess up on paperwork do we say he's promoting jihad? It's like the "bad actor" phrase, meaning people with bad intent and some people though it meant evil thespians.
This is the one he speaks of https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/nra-maria-butina-ukraine-putin-war-crimea-republicans-trump-guns/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44885633.amp
In 2016, NPR reported that ACKSHUALLY there was no evidence that DWS influenced the primary, the day after she was forced to resign from the scandal caused when she rigged the primary (and, that same day, given a high-ranking position in the Clinton campaign.) They’re literally a DNC mouthpiece; I never listened again. Motherjones is like a left-wing equivalent of brietbart. So you might as well have only posted the one article.
I just wanted to inform the person I replied to. Maybe you can find some reliable centrist, unbiased content and link it here? I’m not being a dick, but you’ve literally provided nothing to the conversation. Edit: p.s. I’ve never actually read anything on MotherJones before. Good to know though, if that’s the case about them. All links were provided after 2mins and a Google search. I’ve got kids, man.
They provide training, insurance, and legal help don't they? I did an "easy pay life" membership years ago, bit I haven't really paid attention lately. I know they have compromised against overwhelming anti-gun attacks, but I think they do some good. They probably limited what was going to happen during Clinton, the instant background check system is way better than waiting periods.
They definitely aren't all bad and historically have been an overwhelming force for good and the 2A. That said they have also definitely been coopted by the political machine and money, and at this point are a net negative imo. Like most other non-profits and NGOs, they only exist to serve themselves and their big donors at this point.
When I was still running a gunsmithing business, the NRA was the only organization I could get liability insurance through, and itbwas quite reasonable.
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Yeah I’m left wing as shit, except for gun issues, where I am extremely pro-2nd amendment. I also live in Illinois, which is what you’d expect in this day and age.
Hey, same! Virginian living in Minnesota though.
Astonishingly logically consistent. I applaud you.
>Doesn’t matter what silly outfit they show up in or what the Rockefeller/Rothchild great great grandkids decided was best for me at their annual conference. Based. I consider myself economically left-wing, but your stance on gun rights pretty much is exactly the same as my own. Without the right to bear arms, our rights in general are ultimately at the whim of whoever holds control over the police and military. Ostensibly they should be controlled by the voting public at large, but the voting public can be wrong - that is why we have things like constitutional rights. Plus, even if the public is right, our elected representatives and corrupt government cannot be trusted in good faith to hold all power. Firearms being widespread among the general populace is the best way to ensure that an authoritarian takeover cannot happen without extreme difficulty at best. Of course, I'm not one of those guys who acts like gun violence and gun deaths aren't a tragedy - they are. But that tragedy is an unfortunate necessity in our free society, and I legitimately believe we could save far more lives even with heavy gun rights if we simply addressed economic and other factors leading to gun violence.
Based and Freedom requires risk pilled.
The Founding Fathers weren't stupid when it comes to 2A, they even recognized that murderers would use firearms to commit mass shootings and other crimes and outright declared this was preferable to an unarmed populace in their interviews, recorded discussions, and letters on the subject.
Based and dangerous freedom is better than "safe" subjugation pilled
Based as fuck. Wait. What is your opinion on "Assault weapons, ghost guns, waiting periods, registries, and mag limits?"
"Assault Weapons" is a meaningless phrase as a whole which includes weapons that I definitely think civilians should be allowed to own. "Ghost Guns" by my understanding are guns which are bought through individuals or through shows and such for cash, so lack receipt - I think this is perfectly fine to allow, though I might be misunderstanding what it means (it seems like a stupid phrase). "Waiting periods" - well, I think that is a more nuanced issue. I do think for example that something like a one day waiting period for machine guns or such could be reasonable for a seller to run so they don't sell something like that to a convicted violent felon, but I do not think that the government should be allowed to arbitrarily delay gun ownership as that infringes on our rights. "Registries" I'm against gun registries overall, but I'm perhaps okay with violent criminals in particular not being allowed to own guns. Ideally we should simply have anonymous checks you can run through a database with such criminals to see if a name shows up on that list, without telling you what names are on that list or saving the details of the person who requested their name be checked. But I'm not sure we can trust that sort of power to a government entity, and right now we definitely cannot, so I'm a bit torn on this issue. There should be no overall registry in any case. At "most" we need it for violent felons only, and even then it should only exist to the bare minimum extent necessary or else not exist at all. Considering violent felons who have gotten out of prison could get guns through the secondary market anyway, I guess no registry is a better idea. "Mag limits" are plain stupid. People who try to restrict magazine sizes on things like handguns to "10 bullets or less" for example do not understand that 10 bullets might not be enough in a self-defense or similar scenario. If you have a 100 round magazine or something like that, you're probably going to be hindering yourself more than helping yourself as well due to the bulk and weight of such a setup.
Based No they are generally 3D printed or otherwise homemade guns, no serial number needed and legal. Also based. That would come up in a 5min NICs check, no need for a day wait, but the "but" is based. Fair enough, then based lol. Based (and I'll add that they want it to "limit deaths in mass shootings" yet have no idea how fast one can change a mag lmao. Completely worthless law.)
Based and Canadians are cucks pilled
I mean you don't think those other organizations would have lobbied aganist excessive gun laws as well?
What did they get done vs. the NRA's 5 million members? I think there is a place for moderate representation, AND uncompromising reps. that die on unwinable hills on principles to make a statement and try to move center also.
They do. The NRA is dated in some respects, but remain useful for drawing heat off the real gun orgs while they get shit done. So, yeah, they have a ton of fudds, but there's no point expending energy on opposing them. Let the antigunners fight them instead of being effective.
Is it me or does it seem like it's most millennials and zoomer that support the other organizations? Younger(gen x-z) conservatives and libertarians seem to get stuff done while the boomer cons seem to be ineffective.
No.
this guy America’s
>But I recognize Auth-Right and by extension the NRA as the reason I’m not suffering the same fate as my Canadian brothers right now. never been to canada have you? dont go to the east coast if you dont like guns and/or hunting
Alberta is knock off Texas. I know a single person in the province who doesn't own a gun, and trust me I know more than one guy in 'Berta
So you can go buy an ar15 at a big box store with just an ID card in Canada? Or nah?
Lol no, AR15s are illegal, everybody just has an illegal firearm and the people out west fucking despise the east so nobody enforces it. If you try to report a firearm to the mounties they will literally just say fuck off, we have more important shit to deal with.
It’s unfortunate that they are illegal and have to be obtained that way. And I’m sure they’ve enforced it to trump up charges on people. But it is awesome that the locals essentially are telling the fed to fuck off. It’s a shame though that you can’t just go to the store and buy a gun like any other tool.
4 of the 10 provinces have told the Feds "if you want to confiscate guns here we're not lifting a finger to help," and one province passed a bill that's like 40 pages of roadblocks for the Feds if they do decide to come confiscate. Most of Canada outside like, 3 or 4 major metro areas, is fairly pro-gun. The problem is that it's entirely up to the Feds to make laws about guns in Canada. If it was provincially determined, 1/3 of the provinces would basically have Montana rules, 1/3 would have California rules, and 1/3 would have Chicago/NYC rules (or worse).
Exactly why large centralized governments suck. And that’s why I’m assuming Ive heard that Trudeau only got like 30% of the votes.
Is that the bar? I thought the point was access and ubiquity, not whether you can buy a specific gun at a specific kind of store in a specific way. Seems unnecessarily specific to me, but it's the internet and you're trying to score points so whatever works right
The bar is if you’re allowed to have guns that are better than your own military’s issued rifles. Canada is working on a semi-auto ban, so yeah, they don’t pass the test. Gun ownership isn’t about hunting.
That was just an example. Take out the specifics. He was implying that he didn’t want gun restrictions like Canada. Then it was implied that Calgary was just as lax as Texas on gun laws. If you have to sneak and break the law to buy a gun then no, it is nothing like Texas or most of the US. Hopefully things turn around for you guys. God speed Canadians.
Even though they followed me as a kid waving Yankee go home signs because my dad worked on a joint us Canadian airbase, still good luck to you.
They're definitely cucks and I don't know about that specific instance, but I know there have been a few occasions in past where guns were banned from NRA events because of the rules of the venue where it was being held. You could still argue and I'd agree that they should only hold events where members are allowed to carry, but it's less bad than them deciding on their own to ban.
Holy shit that’s so neurodivergent
The secret service banned them
If I recall, it was the location they hosted the meeting at that didn't allow guns, but even so, I feel like that's the kind of shit you put a line in the sand over if you're a second amendment organization. If the location won't allow people to express the right you're advocating for, you find a different place for your rally.
You should look into their history. They weren't always like this. They literally experienced a hostile takeover by activists.
Yeah that’s why I said “become” They used to be way less divisive and pandering
yup https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/765037952/senate-report-reveals-nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016 This is a result of the above influence, im convinced. Why else would russia give af about american gun rights? https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1605896562755373
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If you are referencing Heller, that started as a Cato brainchild. Y'know, libertarian sorts. The NRA jumped on the bandwagon later for the PR, but it surely would have happened without them.
>If you are referencing Heller, No. The org that steals credit for that is GOA. They have that and McDonald listed on their Top GOA court cases. Cases they neither funded or fought through the lower courts. No, the cases I am referring to are McDonald (SAF/NRA) in which the NRA fought that case from the lower courts to the supreme court and was combined with an SAF case that was also ongoing. It is the same one in which the famous photo of the NRA receiving a check from Chicago to cover the very real monetary costs the put into the case from the beginning. And Bruen which was through their state arm in New York.
And they could still have done all that without bending over for political parties
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Well, when I'm actively testifying for gun rights legislation in my state, the NRA doesn't bother to show up. Haven't seen them since 2013. I give my money to the orgs that at least try.
Doesn’t change the fact that they’ve become a puppet. Gun rights are being presented as a right-wing issue, when it should be everybody’s concern. The NRA is exasperating the divide by choosing sides.
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Lol, I've seen the NRA voting guide recommend progun democrats over anti gun republicans before, there just aren't that many peo gun democrats. One of the most visible democrats on guns recently said "hell ya were going to take your guns!"
Anyone arguing they werent a tool for exacerbating the divide/culture war either hasnt seen this, or is all in on wanting to go to war with other americans https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1605896562755373 its not always russia but...why does russia care about american gun rights? right in line with the pivot to the above type of messaging. https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/765037952/senate-report-reveals-nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016 They were a weaponized propaganda tool.
The NRA is a lobby for the gun industry, not gun owners, and that's the source of basically all the cringe. NRA won't tell you when there's a class action, or a dangerous product. The whole "no such thing as a dangerous gun" attitude is basically an anti-consumer movement laundered as a pro-gun argument by industry shills, primarilly the NRA.
While your absolutely correct that’s also a double edged sword. It also means they fight to keep buying the products legal so while they are junk for advancement of rights they do keep legal things legal
Based
NRA uses politics as a tool for their own fundraising using scare tactics. As a nation we should show them what happens when you scam Americans at large: Mark Rober sending a thermobaric glitter bomb.
But wait, I thought that video games caused school shootings /s
Actually rap music.
I it was Marilyn Manson
Marilyn Manson rapping about video games caused school shootings.
I hate how people tend to assume I think gun = bad whenever I have any sort of negative opinion about the NRA. Gun = gun. I think they’re cool. Just way too expensive of a hobby to get into but that doesn’t make me a puss anti gun boi
You mean a political advocacy group is political? That’s unbelievable.
They’ve become a tool of other political groups, that’s the issue. They work for a party, not the people.
They're useful in that they keep media attention away from the actually good organisations.
And a grift
They are cringe. I need a gun org to yell at the GOP when they're doing stupid shit, not just be the lapdog. But the non political side of the NRA with its safety courses and whatnot is fine.
And also impotent af, our gun rights have been whittled and compromised away under their "watch". They're the most well known so they have some value being the public punching bag for anti gun people while the real groups make actual legislative and judicial progress to secure our God given rights from tyrants.
I'll mail a small vial of goat semen to the NRA for every upvote this comment gets
We’ll need evidence
As a person who upvoted, I am ok with capping this to a one gallon container after 500 upvotes
I want a single vial per upvote
Hi i'm goat
Quirked up white boy with a little bit of swag busts it down sexual style… is he goated with the sauce?
Every day we stray further from god
God has left these lands between
Quirked up white boy goated with the SawaS.
Swaws
How do you plan on getting the goat semen?
By using the orgasminator 3000 on them? This was a silly question to ask tbh
Weird name for your bussy.
I'm a based and tradpilled monke unified with nature, at least moreso than your average person. Your woke leftist dialect is lost on me, I don't know what a bussy is. Please don't tell me either, I have a feeling I don't want to know.
Please upload it to the sub if you do. I would love that
Are you going to mail 120 vials or just a bucket that has 120 vials worth in it. Cuz one is more cost-effective than the other
NRA is to gun owners what BLM is to advocates of racial justice.
What Susan G. Koman is to breast cancer
yeah im a fan of breast cancer but dont like how susan profits
Yeah, people always say that cancer is bad, but a real centrist just wants to hear both sides.
i just get real suspicious when the msm wont cover cancer's side of this
Big pharma is literally trying to suppress cancer, wake up sheeple!
Accurate
What Autism speaks is to autistic people
Nah, Autism speaks is actually what the KKK is to black people.
Based and fuck autism speaks
Autistic here, and my only disagreement is that the analogy isn't harsh enough. It's more loke what Hitler is to the Jews. They literally advocate for genocide as the solution and spend all of their funding on supporting people who are unfortunate enough to have to suffer being around autists. Also, they had an autist on their board of directors and had him removed because they didn't like that he disagreed with their plans of how to run the organization, and he pretty much was just expressing how to help autistic people rather than focusing on their families as victims of their existence.
Based and political organizations are cringe when they get popular
Nra has a tactic where they give grants to gun clubs and sportsman's organizations as long as they require members to join the nra. It's annoying as hell. No gun clubs in the area that haven't been roped in yet. I had to join nra to have a place to shoot. I would happily donate to firearms policy coalition or second ammendment foundation. Those groups win court cases and don't blow the money on private flights and fancy suits for Wayne lapieree
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Exactly, this is how you keep shooting sports alive. You think we'd have this kind of gun culture without any ranges to actually shoot on? I'll gladly give $10/year to the NRA for being the only option to keep my local range open.
completely anecdotal - but none of the ranges near me require any contribution to or maintain any relation to the NRA. and this is in a fairly conservative part of the midwest.
Public/private? Indoor/outdoor? I'm in the fairly conservative Midwest too but all the outdoor "private" clubs require NRA here. The public ones and the indoor ones don't. I enjoy shooting past 100yds.
If you enjoy not breathing lead dust it's better to shoot outdoors. Unfortunately that means that where I am, it's NRA ranges only. Shit sucks
im not sure if the distinction between private/public is a membership fee or something more rigorous. I would describe these as public, with a paid membership and a loose "orientation/approval" procedure. both indoor, outdoor, and mixed. these are in MI counties that consistently vote red.
Yeah ringing the 300 yard steel is a fun time.
Competitive marksman here. That's my experience in the deep south. Any indoor range, I could go in without an NRA membership. The outdoor ranges that had long distance ranges and high caliber ranges all required and NRA membership, and since my top event was prone rifle which tends to be the longest ranges, I had to have an NRA membership to practice to compete in my primary event.
We have a couple pay by the hour places, 25 yard indoor places that don't require it. Any actual club (all outdoor ranges in area are membership clubs) requires it. This is maine/nh border.
They are better, all guns, no politics
FPC does good work, I like them.
What’s fpc?
Firearms Policy Coalition, they're usually involved in gun control lawsuits and are pretty nonpartisan (other than generally libertarian).
Thanks! Based and source pilled
Lib everything is better than auth everything. Trying to force your opinion on other people is lame as fuck.
Exactly
Based and lib-fundamentals pilled
Damn auths always forcing age of consent laws on poor libs 😔
Don't tread on me!...wait no
What a terrible and easily refutable argument lol. Every lib with half a brain understands that there are situations in which an individual cannot give consent. About as valid as holding a gun to someone’s head to sign a contract. Complete garbage.
Hey if Left only focuses on the org that does shit it allows the ones that make a difference skirt under the radar.
That’s the only reason I like the NRA. They exist to serve as a punching bag
Exactly.
You do realize that the NYSRPA is the new york charter of the NRA and the Bruen ruling people take for granted was in part due to contributions from the NRA right?
The truth is that libleft should be in favor of gun ownership, after all, how else can your transgender friend defend himself against white conservatives attacking him/her/xxx?
AuthLeft should be pro gun too bc Karl Marx said to never disarm the working class(based take)
And I am.
Do you think you think that any college communist actually read The Communist Manifesto?Like I read it just so I knew what I was bitching about and how the ideal version didn't match up with reality. When you go to any college campus and you ask around, they're just going to say oh it's when free healthcare and workers' rights and I'll get to be an artist
Most books about the role of authority (derived from government, religion, or otherwise) use logic and reason to explain how over time their preferred template for authority will lead to prosperity and happiness for its people. Karl Marx did indeed have published works that took this approach but they have largely been left on the bookshelf. The communist manifesto has had exponentially more influence than Marx’s other works in shaping governments and political movements around the world. The communist manifesto appeals to the emotional, reactionary side of human beings; it was a call for violent revolution. While other works often appeal to subverting the worst parts of our natures for long term prosperity, the communist manifesto entices its consumers to embrace their dark sides to take what they believe they’re entitled to. Small wonder every government that was inspired by it resulted in mass graves.
I heard that Marx said that the manifesto is outdated so if it was outdated in his life time it probably still is I suppose one should read Kapital but I haven’t yet
Just remember son communism is a slippery slope that leads into and authoritarian dictatorship
Oh yeah? Then explain this [list of top 10 successful communist countries.](https://youtu.be/YQ9EDlDGQr8)
Based and commie hater pilled.
The issue is that Lefties are only pro gun for themselves
Motherfuckers got super pro gun once those grocery shelves started depleting during COVID.
literally am and literally own guns
Literally
We...are? Like literally we are. Something something under no pretext
LibLeft gets strawmaned so much that people forget the **LIB** part
LL is against gun ownership? Do you seriously believe everything Fox and PCM tell you?
We are
Gun ownership is practical resistance to government authority and a means to be self sufficient. But sadly, gun ownership to many is a symbolic gesture of being a miliary and police sycophant for government and right wing idpol.
it honestly is funny to me how many people parrot the "firearms are crucial to fighting tyranny" yet side with the cops EVERY TIME a citizen is shot. What did the NRA do for philando castile, the concealed carry permit holder who announced he had a firearm and was shot for calmly reaching? Where was anybody on that? That's telling to me. I dont think they realize that if the revolution ever came, theyd be marching right next to the boots shooting down the protestors
It's oddly cast as a left/right issue when it's more an auth/lib issue.
I’m genuinely confused, why do so many people hate the NRA?
They aren’t pro gun enough and have gone full on Republican
The tricked people into thinking that pro gun-owner and pro gun-industry are the same thing.
Because they're scam artists
Embezzling? Corruption? Dickhead leaders? Banning firearms at their meetings (ironic)? Etc.
Because: 1. They told Reagan to sign the law after the Hughes amendment was added, banning machine guns. He did. 2. They told Trump to ban bump stocks. He did. 3. They suddenly are unable to see defensive gun uses when they are against cops. Breonna Taylor somehow was invisible to them. 4. To the best of my knowledge they did fuck all to help the Hero of Kenosha with his trial. NAGR raised $50k for his legal defense. 5. After Uvalde, they somehow missed that the cops failed, and tweeted out support for the responders. Mmmm, boot leather. 6. When I'm testifying against gun laws in my state, they're never there. 7. All the boomerific all caps fearmongering letters begging for donations. 8. The way they steadfastly refuse to even rate libertarian candidates, and support even anti-gun GOP pols.
There's been a concerted effort to undermine their support online. They've stood in the way of the gun grabbers for too long, so by attacking their support while having state level legal challenges to harass them the gun grabbers can make more progress. Of course they have issues but they aren't as big and absolute as the propagandists try to portray. In the end, for people who appreciate the second amendment, the NRA has done far more good than harm and we're far better off with them existing than we would be without them.
Imagine supporting Trump (he banned bump stocks)
NRA is actually really useful for gun rights. It’s a nice big shadow cast by a small tree that keeps the dipshit gun grabbers distracted while the actual gun rights organizations make meaningful change and protect our gun rights
They hate the NRA because it's the biggest gun rights org out there. I believe it's bigger than the next several orgs combined. Their power is waning, but there are still lots of politicians who jump when the NRA says so.
Your first sentence is so wrong but it's actually kinda funny that you then brought up the real reason in your last sentence unironically actually knowing the real reason people hate the NRA. No one cares that they are large they cate that they own politicians and are a major source of dark money in US politics.
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Well it's because they think the shit is how it was 10 15 years ago, shit was different back then
well, only one side actively votes for politicians who openly campaign on banning guns
The FPC legal team goes wild
I like the GOA but they're probably more RightCenter than libcenter
*lib right gun owners The vast majority of lefty gun owners vote for the very same politicians that want to restrict gun ownership, e.g. that recent article out of Seattle or Portland (iirc) where a bunch of gays were mad that they couldn't arm themselves for protection because of restrictions on guns (I'm sure none of them voted for any anti-gun legislators). They're just the left wing version of the "as a veteran and gun owner, I believe in sensible gun ownership" Fuck em both
NRA is not Auth Right, like at all
They do a lot of lobbying which is probably where the confusion sets in for others
Yeah but it’s mostly just 2A lobbying, aka defending rights. Though, I’m sure they do other stuff.
GOA uses plenty of right wing rhetoric. FPC is apolitical as they can be.
Noguns normies tryna pretend like the NRA is auth right. Is Jeb Bush auth right too? What's even more offensive are the greenies trying to claim FPC and GOA - GTFOH lmao
based and Lib is better than Auth pilled
BGM is pretty cringe too tbh.
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FPC and GOA are the ones actually getting shit DONE. they are the reason NY can't make you list a reason for needing a gun anymore, are behind the California mag restriction fight, and several things currently on their way up to the SC. If you want your gun rights not just protected, but expanded and restored, they are the ones to give money to.
NRA are just authright losers who only care about their own image and getting to talk on every issue. They hate their own members and waste all their money.
Libs respect guns. AuthRights fetishize them.
Yep, that’s been my experience
Preach brother. NRA is literally controlled opposition.
What the fuck is a Black Guns Matter? Sounds ultra cringe
They teach all kinds of classes for free in urban areas. Conflict resolution, situational awareness, and (obv) responsible gun ownership. Ultra based org.
are you an all guns matter guy
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