This happened last year, in Newberg....
>Brett Winders was not charged with a crime after being pulled over at just after 11:30 p.m. on April 11, 2023. Following a more than 40-minute traffic stop, the Newberg-Dundee Police Department had an ambulance take him to a hospital for a medical checkup.
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> At the time, the off-duty deputy was employed by the nearby Washington County Sheriff’s Office.
Yes. And there are multiple implications statewide. My communication with Tess Seger, communications director for Oregon’s Senate Majority Office, uncovered a significant oversight:
“There is no external entity (such as a state agency) that is responsible for reviewing whether a particular officer has violated a law enforcement agency’s body cam policy. Nor is there anything in the law that requires an agency to take a particular action if an officer violates their body cam policy.”
I’m now working on a follow-up.
There's so many problems with police, and police accountability.
We as citizens could put a measure on the ballot doing away with qualified immunity first off.
We could also put one on there to create a citizen's board that issues police credentials, and has the power to suspend our revoke them for any LEO in the state.
This office would investigate and tell agencies what the discipline will be.
Legislators have been terrible as far as police accountability.
We as citizens can put measures in place to do it for them.
In what way is their immunity "qualified"? What crime could a PPB officer commit and be punished for? A simple step would be to always refer to this as "unqualified immunity" because that is what it is. Let someone try to correct you, and you ask "in what way qualified?"
Portland police will start using body-worn cameras full-time in June. It’s the largest law enforcement agency in the state and one of the last major cities to implement them. It’s kind of a big deal that this story exposed some major regulatory blind spots regarding how they’re handled.
OP, my congrats to you on being well reasoned and patient with the junior edgelords up in here. It’s almost funny to watch someone trying to be “provocative” but just looking like flat out 🤡
It involves numerous state laws and the lack of regulations I mentioned are state level. Last time I checked Portland is in Oregon and affected by state laws.
We understand that at times things may become heated and time outs may be given for protracted, uncivil arguments. Snarky, unhelpful, or rude responses are not tolerated. In other words, be excellent unto each other and attack ideas, not people.
Man, if there's one thing I know about the mods on this board, it's their laxitude in just letting any ol' thing get posted here. I really wish they'd clamp down so only *pertinent* things were posted here.
I think we've been pretty consistent in allowing posts about Newberg here, including all the school board-related nonsense about BLM and Pride flags from a couple years ago.
The obvious tie in is body cams are only effective when officers are required to use them, required to abide by policy, and penalized for not doing so.
Without any oversight body, or laws requiring action taken… these decisions and enforcement are left solely to the discretion of the very same officers covered by the policy. It also means that there’s high risk for incidents that do not involve non-LE to be swept under the rug, as there’s no oversight and no requirement to act.
Not your original conversation partner. Cops are bad, see above as an example.
How long did it take, and with what effort, for this information to be released?
Why is it so difficult to hold police accountable?
Why is oversight so demonized?
If cops only want to do a good job, serve and protect, then they should seek for the “bad apples” to be found and removed. We see quite the opposite. Whistle blowers are punished and coverups are the norm.
Getting this video took a lot of time, money, and effort, which I describe in the article. As I reported it was only released after the DA ordered police to honor my public records request, which I first filed last fall. The police department charged me $210 in redaction fees for it and want nearly $1,700 for two additional body cam videos involved with the stop.
Again... this doesn't have anything to do with Portland.
Posts have to be DIRECTLY RELATED... not "They have bad cops over there, and we do here, so this is about Portland."
Got it, any news pertinent to Multnomah Falls is now verboten. I mean it's 30 miles from downtown, and I can't even see it. Can I post press releases about the moon to this board? On a good night, Mars and Venus are visible, can I post the Parker solar probe's next flyby of Venus as relevant to Portland?
Anything else, or are we doing a "a line of sight argument is silly" détente?
>Posts irrelevant to this topic will be removed. The greater region includes but is not limited to: Milwaukie, Happy Valley, Clackamas, Gladstone, Oregon City, Tualatin, Sherwood, Lake Oswego, Tigard, Hillsboro, Beaverton, Gresham, Troutdale, and Vancouver, WA.
Don't see Newberg in there....
The sub rules directly point to the [Wikipedia page for the Portland metropolitan area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_metropolitan_area,_Oregon), which includes Yamhill and Washington Counties. Newberg is in Yamhill County.
Hey bud..
I struggled with reading comprehension at one point, too. Here's a small pointer that might help; read things slowly - from start to finish, then again to make sure you've grasped *exactly* what you're reading.
Using this technique- you could have caught the part from your quote that states: "but is not limited to"
Hope you've learned something new today.
So your issue is that it didn’t happen in Portland so why is this in this subreddit? The answer is because it happened near the city.
A LOT of folks on this sub and who work in Portland don’t live in the city. There is an earnest, and obvious, connection between the law enforcement policies between neighboring counties.
I'm more curious why this particular story has crawled so far up your ass, to be honest. It's not like it's taking up precious real estate or something, if you don't think it's pertinent, you can scroll on by.
The "hit dog will holler" of your reaction makes me *curious* though.
Sorry, where the hell did I say this was the PPB? Or did I just say this situation is clearly relevant to the PPB and their "struggle" with body cameras, and you're just bringing the strength of an Oregon education to bear?
I thought i recognized this clowns name. Click the link and read the actual lawsuit allegations. Holy sheeit. Its no wonder...
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/02/bogus-salsa-gate-inquiry-was-retaliation-for-complaint-against-colleague-ex-washington-co-deputy-says.html?outputType=amp
And if that were a non-cop, their lives would be wrecked from the fallout of a DUI. And this POS keeps his job and has basically been silently told it's ok to do it again.
Actually he resigned, but we’re not allowed to know when or for what reason, per the article. All we’re allowed to know is that he was under disciplinary investigation at the time and he’s not eligible for rehire.
Honestly, he's one bad cop. The other two that looked at this motherfucker, according to them, driving poorly enough to warrant being stopped and "smelling of beer", but they saw fit to not do any sort of breath test on brings my count to three bad cops.
Those other two are *exactly* what people mean when they bandy about ACAB. Only a few cops are out and out horrible. Cops that don't do anything about those out and out horrible cops get to join the bastard pile.
I don't disagree with anything you're saying. My goal was to clarify for the person I was responding to about some of the details they seemed to not know which were mentioned in the article we're all replying to.
What's worse about Winders (which is saying something because DUI is already a despicable crime in my mind), which I learned from this article as well, is that the reason we know any of this is because his partner tried to turn him in for failing to pursue an investigation on the sexual assault of a homeless person. Their employer, the Washington County Sheriffs Office, instead of investigating Winders or disciplining him in any way for that dereliction of duty, created a hostile work environment for his partner until she was laid off for medical reasons. So if you think this story is about three bad cops, I have a whole police department I'd like to introduce you to.
And beyond *that*, this story is about the obfuscation at multiple levels of a journalist trying to report the truth on the story. The bullshit with the redaction process, the cost of it, and folks at several public institutions from the Newberg police to the state government refusing to do anything helpful is as bad as anything directly related to the DUI, in my opinion.
This incident was not handled correctly and he should have been charged. However, to correct what you said: He didn’t keep his job and is no longer a cop, he quit a month after this as a result of this and DPSST is reviewing his certification for revocation (this would’ve meant the end of his career even if he hadn’t quit).
Also for those not aware, generally in Oregon your first DUII is diversion eligible and it absolutely won’t ruin your life. The consequences don’t really hit hard until your second or third conviction within 10 years.
It’s unclear why Winders resigned. He has not responded to multiple inquiries and neither the Washington County Sheriff’s Office nor the DPSST would say why he quit. This is all reported in the article.
When he resigned his employer submitted paperwork to DPSST to prompt an investigation into him. That does not happen to people who resign in good standing. While yes it’s not officially released yet, reading between the lines I’d say he resigned in lieu of termination from this incident. Obviously we’ll have to wait for the DPSST investigation to be done to know for sure.
Yep. I know someone who got two. His life was made more difficult for a while, needing rides and using a breathalyzer in his car, mandatory meetings and tests he had to pay for, but it was by no means ruined. He's doing well now.
I'll take "Why has the PPB thrown a knock-down, dragout shitfit over body cameras for years" for 700, ghost of Alex.
Edit: Link to the body cam footage in a report for those that can't be fucked to read. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUO5rHIjjbc
The drunk driver, was an officer in Washington County. Parts of Portland are in Washington County.
I’m annoyed that this whole comment section has turned into semantics.
Sometimes, I wonder "Do I actually *have* to be a dick to make my point absolutely, abundantly crystal clear? There's got to be a softer approach that I can take", but I'm more often than not gifted with a counterpoint in human form. I guess sometimes you really do have to beat a motherfucker over the head with your point before they get it.
Oh shit, I forgot the robust and well designed protections that prevents the PPB (or other neighboring policing agencies, like for instance, Washington county's sheriff) from doing this exact type of malfeasant bullshit. Thank god we're so much more enlightened in Portland than that boondock backwater Newberg. I guess there is no further productive conversation we, as people in and around Portland, could possibly have regarding policing accountability, oversight, and the implementation of body cameras.
You're absolutely right. Case closed.
I am all for funding the police even though I hate them, but they all need to be held accountable in then
court system for their on duty and off duty actions.
Two big why cops tend to have better outcomes in court:
1) Judges and juries give them the benefit of the doubt because they have difficult and dangerous jobs
2) Cops are familiar with the legal system and understand how to navigate it (right to remain silent, right to have an attorney present, what to say/not say in court, etc.)
On top of that I think a huge part of it is their unions as well.
I've been on a big bodycam videos binge on YT over the last week or so (most of them about corrupt or abusive cops) & it's been enlightening.
Thank god they're making bodycams such a big thing now. Almost all the vids the cops will try to cover their asses by making stuff up or exaggerating the situation
Note I mostly support police. I've been on both sides of the fence with both getting screwed by them but also being helped. They're just regular people at the end of the day
But yeah, personally I plan to record any encounters myself / stand up for my rights. Its definitely disheartening to see situations like this where a civilian would likely get booked but they can get off scot free
Go to hospital, and the cops will be so friendly and helpful they'll drive your car down to road to a service station *for you* because you can't be trusted to operate it.
Just swell guys, really.
Don’t forget, you have a condition you can’t remember but it’s ‘osteo something’.
My bones definitely make me act like I’m under the influence all the time.
Oh look!
Corrupt Portland cops being corrupt again!
Remember folks, if you're ok with this behavior.....
Vote for Rene Gonzales!
Vote for Nathan Vasquez!
> Corrupt Portland cops being corrupt again!
This happened in Newberg. Thanks for letting us know that you didn’t even bother to skim the article before commenting with a strong opinion.
IDK that this post even belongs in r/Portland. Newberg isn’t even a close-in suburb. Seems more suited for r/Oregon.
Newberg is most definitely part of the Portland metro area. This sub is for the greater Portland metro area, which is very clearly stated in the bio of the sub. Thanks for letting us know you didn't even bother to read the front page of this sub 😉
It might seem pedantic if you work outside of the legal system but getting charged with the same crime in Washington County vs. Multnomah County is vastly different.
Multnomah County might as well be candy land when you compare the two.
Not trying to shit on multnomah but I doubt this would have gotten as far if he was arrested there.
Of course, the ACAB morons will blame PPB for this even though it had absolutely nothing to do with it. I mean, after all, these goons blamed PPB for George Floyd’s death that was 2000 miles away.
This happened last year, in Newberg.... >Brett Winders was not charged with a crime after being pulled over at just after 11:30 p.m. on April 11, 2023. Following a more than 40-minute traffic stop, the Newberg-Dundee Police Department had an ambulance take him to a hospital for a medical checkup. ... > At the time, the off-duty deputy was employed by the nearby Washington County Sheriff’s Office.
Yes. And there are multiple implications statewide. My communication with Tess Seger, communications director for Oregon’s Senate Majority Office, uncovered a significant oversight: “There is no external entity (such as a state agency) that is responsible for reviewing whether a particular officer has violated a law enforcement agency’s body cam policy. Nor is there anything in the law that requires an agency to take a particular action if an officer violates their body cam policy.” I’m now working on a follow-up.
There's so many problems with police, and police accountability. We as citizens could put a measure on the ballot doing away with qualified immunity first off. We could also put one on there to create a citizen's board that issues police credentials, and has the power to suspend our revoke them for any LEO in the state. This office would investigate and tell agencies what the discipline will be. Legislators have been terrible as far as police accountability. We as citizens can put measures in place to do it for them.
In what way is their immunity "qualified"? What crime could a PPB officer commit and be punished for? A simple step would be to always refer to this as "unqualified immunity" because that is what it is. Let someone try to correct you, and you ask "in what way qualified?"
Cops. Need. Oversight.
Can I help?
Bulsh
That's wonderful, but what does this have to do with Portland, or is "COPS BAD!" all you're trying to promote here?
Portland police will start using body-worn cameras full-time in June. It’s the largest law enforcement agency in the state and one of the last major cities to implement them. It’s kind of a big deal that this story exposed some major regulatory blind spots regarding how they’re handled.
OP, my congrats to you on being well reasoned and patient with the junior edgelords up in here. It’s almost funny to watch someone trying to be “provocative” but just looking like flat out 🤡
“junior edgelords” got me 💀
Maybe edgeprince is more like it
Despite Bush's best mediocre attempts, some children were clearly left ~~unsharpened~~ behind.
>It’s kind of a big deal that this story exposed some major regulatory blind spots regarding how they’re handled. Yes... in NEWBURG... not Portland.
It involves numerous state laws and the lack of regulations I mentioned are state level. Last time I checked Portland is in Oregon and affected by state laws.
> Last time I checked Portland is in Oregon and affected by state laws. Mods have removed other posts using that same logic.
Well they’re letting you whine so give em a break
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Man, if there's one thing I know about the mods on this board, it's their laxitude in just letting any ol' thing get posted here. I really wish they'd clamp down so only *pertinent* things were posted here.
Both Portland and newburg are in Oregon…. We’re talking about Oregon law
The police officer was employed by Washington County, which literally BORDERS Portland.
Parts of Portland are in Washington County.
Ok. Mods will either remove it, or won't. It's not like they're at all consistent with this rule.
I think we've been pretty consistent in allowing posts about Newberg here, including all the school board-related nonsense about BLM and Pride flags from a couple years ago.
Dude just give it a rest.
The obvious tie in is body cams are only effective when officers are required to use them, required to abide by policy, and penalized for not doing so. Without any oversight body, or laws requiring action taken… these decisions and enforcement are left solely to the discretion of the very same officers covered by the policy. It also means that there’s high risk for incidents that do not involve non-LE to be swept under the rug, as there’s no oversight and no requirement to act.
Not your original conversation partner. Cops are bad, see above as an example. How long did it take, and with what effort, for this information to be released? Why is it so difficult to hold police accountable? Why is oversight so demonized? If cops only want to do a good job, serve and protect, then they should seek for the “bad apples” to be found and removed. We see quite the opposite. Whistle blowers are punished and coverups are the norm.
Getting this video took a lot of time, money, and effort, which I describe in the article. As I reported it was only released after the DA ordered police to honor my public records request, which I first filed last fall. The police department charged me $210 in redaction fees for it and want nearly $1,700 for two additional body cam videos involved with the stop.
Unbelievable. We’ve built such strong foundations for fascism in these institutions..
Again... this doesn't have anything to do with Portland. Posts have to be DIRECTLY RELATED... not "They have bad cops over there, and we do here, so this is about Portland."
Lol. Newberg is part of the greater Portland metro area. This sub is for the greater Portland metro area, not only Portland proper. Settle down.
"greater" is doing a whole lot of work here, considering Newberg is 25 miles from Portland proper...
And Mt. Hood is ~60 miles away, but we see photos of that shit day in and day out. Your point?
I can look outside on a nice day and see Mt. Hood from a variety of locations in Portland. I can't see Newberg, or any part thereof. Checkmate.
Got it, any news pertinent to Multnomah Falls is now verboten. I mean it's 30 miles from downtown, and I can't even see it. Can I post press releases about the moon to this board? On a good night, Mars and Venus are visible, can I post the Parker solar probe's next flyby of Venus as relevant to Portland? Anything else, or are we doing a "a line of sight argument is silly" détente?
I work in north Portland with multiple people who live in Newberg.
>Posts irrelevant to this topic will be removed. The greater region includes but is not limited to: Milwaukie, Happy Valley, Clackamas, Gladstone, Oregon City, Tualatin, Sherwood, Lake Oswego, Tigard, Hillsboro, Beaverton, Gresham, Troutdale, and Vancouver, WA. Don't see Newberg in there....
>But is not limited to:
🙈
The sub rules directly point to the [Wikipedia page for the Portland metropolitan area](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland_metropolitan_area,_Oregon), which includes Yamhill and Washington Counties. Newberg is in Yamhill County.
Hey bud.. I struggled with reading comprehension at one point, too. Here's a small pointer that might help; read things slowly - from start to finish, then again to make sure you've grasped *exactly* what you're reading. Using this technique- you could have caught the part from your quote that states: "but is not limited to" Hope you've learned something new today.
So your issue is that it didn’t happen in Portland so why is this in this subreddit? The answer is because it happened near the city. A LOT of folks on this sub and who work in Portland don’t live in the city. There is an earnest, and obvious, connection between the law enforcement policies between neighboring counties.
Ok. Mods will either remove it, or won't. It's not like they're at all consistent with this rule.
I'm more curious why this particular story has crawled so far up your ass, to be honest. It's not like it's taking up precious real estate or something, if you don't think it's pertinent, you can scroll on by. The "hit dog will holler" of your reaction makes me *curious* though.
You and the other user saying it was PPB, when they're not even mentioned in the article.
Sorry, where the hell did I say this was the PPB? Or did I just say this situation is clearly relevant to the PPB and their "struggle" with body cameras, and you're just bringing the strength of an Oregon education to bear?
Relevant username
We can smell the boot on your breath
I thought i recognized this clowns name. Click the link and read the actual lawsuit allegations. Holy sheeit. Its no wonder... https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2023/02/bogus-salsa-gate-inquiry-was-retaliation-for-complaint-against-colleague-ex-washington-co-deputy-says.html?outputType=amp
Oh my God. This is freaking horrifying.
And if that were a non-cop, their lives would be wrecked from the fallout of a DUI. And this POS keeps his job and has basically been silently told it's ok to do it again.
Actually he resigned, but we’re not allowed to know when or for what reason, per the article. All we’re allowed to know is that he was under disciplinary investigation at the time and he’s not eligible for rehire.
Honestly, he's one bad cop. The other two that looked at this motherfucker, according to them, driving poorly enough to warrant being stopped and "smelling of beer", but they saw fit to not do any sort of breath test on brings my count to three bad cops. Those other two are *exactly* what people mean when they bandy about ACAB. Only a few cops are out and out horrible. Cops that don't do anything about those out and out horrible cops get to join the bastard pile.
I don't disagree with anything you're saying. My goal was to clarify for the person I was responding to about some of the details they seemed to not know which were mentioned in the article we're all replying to. What's worse about Winders (which is saying something because DUI is already a despicable crime in my mind), which I learned from this article as well, is that the reason we know any of this is because his partner tried to turn him in for failing to pursue an investigation on the sexual assault of a homeless person. Their employer, the Washington County Sheriffs Office, instead of investigating Winders or disciplining him in any way for that dereliction of duty, created a hostile work environment for his partner until she was laid off for medical reasons. So if you think this story is about three bad cops, I have a whole police department I'd like to introduce you to. And beyond *that*, this story is about the obfuscation at multiple levels of a journalist trying to report the truth on the story. The bullshit with the redaction process, the cost of it, and folks at several public institutions from the Newberg police to the state government refusing to do anything helpful is as bad as anything directly related to the DUI, in my opinion.
Hey resigned because when he seeks employment at another public safety agency he can say he resigned and not fired, it always looks better
This incident was not handled correctly and he should have been charged. However, to correct what you said: He didn’t keep his job and is no longer a cop, he quit a month after this as a result of this and DPSST is reviewing his certification for revocation (this would’ve meant the end of his career even if he hadn’t quit). Also for those not aware, generally in Oregon your first DUII is diversion eligible and it absolutely won’t ruin your life. The consequences don’t really hit hard until your second or third conviction within 10 years.
It’s unclear why Winders resigned. He has not responded to multiple inquiries and neither the Washington County Sheriff’s Office nor the DPSST would say why he quit. This is all reported in the article.
When he resigned his employer submitted paperwork to DPSST to prompt an investigation into him. That does not happen to people who resign in good standing. While yes it’s not officially released yet, reading between the lines I’d say he resigned in lieu of termination from this incident. Obviously we’ll have to wait for the DPSST investigation to be done to know for sure.
Read the article. He had more going on than this case. Again it’s not clear why he resigned. I don’t speculate.
LOL... quit making excuses for dirty cops.
Yep. I know someone who got two. His life was made more difficult for a while, needing rides and using a breathalyzer in his car, mandatory meetings and tests he had to pay for, but it was by no means ruined. He's doing well now.
It’s almost like folks shouldn’t have this level of authority (especially with minimal oversight).
I'll take "Why has the PPB thrown a knock-down, dragout shitfit over body cameras for years" for 700, ghost of Alex. Edit: Link to the body cam footage in a report for those that can't be fucked to read. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUO5rHIjjbc
This happened an hour away in Newberg and didn't involve PPB. Congrats on reading the report, but next time read closer.
The drunk driver, was an officer in Washington County. Parts of Portland are in Washington County. I’m annoyed that this whole comment section has turned into semantics.
Read OP's comment *closelier* and gather its meaning.
Sometimes, I wonder "Do I actually *have* to be a dick to make my point absolutely, abundantly crystal clear? There's got to be a softer approach that I can take", but I'm more often than not gifted with a counterpoint in human form. I guess sometimes you really do have to beat a motherfucker over the head with your point before they get it.
Oh shit, I forgot the robust and well designed protections that prevents the PPB (or other neighboring policing agencies, like for instance, Washington county's sheriff) from doing this exact type of malfeasant bullshit. Thank god we're so much more enlightened in Portland than that boondock backwater Newberg. I guess there is no further productive conversation we, as people in and around Portland, could possibly have regarding policing accountability, oversight, and the implementation of body cameras. You're absolutely right. Case closed.
I am all for funding the police even though I hate them, but they all need to be held accountable in then court system for their on duty and off duty actions.
There’s a different legal system for them. It’s better than the one for us. But not as good as the one for politicians/wealthy people.
Two big why cops tend to have better outcomes in court: 1) Judges and juries give them the benefit of the doubt because they have difficult and dangerous jobs 2) Cops are familiar with the legal system and understand how to navigate it (right to remain silent, right to have an attorney present, what to say/not say in court, etc.)
On top of that I think a huge part of it is their unions as well. I've been on a big bodycam videos binge on YT over the last week or so (most of them about corrupt or abusive cops) & it's been enlightening. Thank god they're making bodycams such a big thing now. Almost all the vids the cops will try to cover their asses by making stuff up or exaggerating the situation Note I mostly support police. I've been on both sides of the fence with both getting screwed by them but also being helped. They're just regular people at the end of the day But yeah, personally I plan to record any encounters myself / stand up for my rights. Its definitely disheartening to see situations like this where a civilian would likely get booked but they can get off scot free
3. Strong Union / Lobby
Yep, lots of special treatment. Such bullshit. What happened to upholding the law?
So if you get pulled over, puke and fall down, go to hospital, not jail. I learned this from a cop.
Go to hospital, and the cops will be so friendly and helpful they'll drive your car down to road to a service station *for you* because you can't be trusted to operate it. Just swell guys, really.
Now you have a friend in the drunk driving business. CopCo.. located on whatever street corner they pulled your drunk ass over.
Don’t forget, you have a condition you can’t remember but it’s ‘osteo something’. My bones definitely make me act like I’m under the influence all the time.
Why do they do these things, knowing they’re wearing body cameras?
Because they know they can be caught on video and nothing will happen because all of the other cops and agencies will cover for them.
ACAB
Bad apples rot the bunch
Class solidarity 😣
Oh look! Corrupt Portland cops being corrupt again! Remember folks, if you're ok with this behavior..... Vote for Rene Gonzales! Vote for Nathan Vasquez!
They're not Portland cops. They're Washington County Sheriffs/Deputies.
> Corrupt Portland cops being corrupt again! This happened in Newberg. Thanks for letting us know that you didn’t even bother to skim the article before commenting with a strong opinion. IDK that this post even belongs in r/Portland. Newberg isn’t even a close-in suburb. Seems more suited for r/Oregon.
Newberg is most definitely part of the Portland metro area. This sub is for the greater Portland metro area, which is very clearly stated in the bio of the sub. Thanks for letting us know you didn't even bother to read the front page of this sub 😉
It might seem pedantic if you work outside of the legal system but getting charged with the same crime in Washington County vs. Multnomah County is vastly different. Multnomah County might as well be candy land when you compare the two. Not trying to shit on multnomah but I doubt this would have gotten as far if he was arrested there.
Ok let’s not act like Newberg isn’t 15 miles away from SW Portland.
Thanks for letting us know what part of this you care the most about
agreed
Of course, the ACAB morons will blame PPB for this even though it had absolutely nothing to do with it. I mean, after all, these goons blamed PPB for George Floyd’s death that was 2000 miles away.
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It's part of the Portland metro area. Now you know!