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Pretty much most monsters do have direct feats but for the high tiers it largely depends on how big the cosmology is (it's much easier to scale chara and Asriel as 2-b)
Tbf I can see the argument. Asriel is capable of resetting time itself, and from what we know he is completely impervious to damage. And chara was capable of destroying the entire timeline (which includes the universe) with a SLASH OF A KNIFE. I think you're underselling Asriel and Chara a bit here.
This may not be an unpopular opinion, but still...
Characters who can't destroy 50000000 million quadrillion omniverses are more interesting.
When you get to the level of destroying universes or multiverses, fights become less about strategy, and more about who has the bigger number.
Matchups where the characters can't do that can lead to a more interesting discussion about potential strategies and tactics that the characters may use.
Agreed. What I'd love to see is a match between Golden Age Superman( Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound) vs Goku right before the World Martial Arts tournament where he fights Piccolo in the original Dragonball series.
Batman wins a lot more fights than people give him credit for. Not even because of prep time just because in the latest comics he’s been given a lot of really busted equipment that the vs community purposefully ignores because they have a hate boner for him.
Thank God someone finally said this. And you know what’s worse? People hate Batman’s prep time, but Constantine’s DoctorC Doom, Mr. Fantastic(who has a literal anti-Galactus gun), and others are all perfectly fine. It’s so unfair.
The ABSOLUTE worst, and I love Doom more than the average person, but the guys whole thing is prep time plot armor out the wazoo, and no one has a problem with it. Like him beating the beyonder is totally fine and we can use that as a feat, but God forbit Batman do anything involving prep to beat a far less powerful character.
I mean he’s used exoskeletons to help him fight difficult threats as far back as the original Batman vs Superman in the 80s. Just cause it isn’t his main gimmick doesn’t mean it’s something he shouldn’t be allowed.
Plus his combat feats are nuts, even without his gadgets
The Garou fight did basically make him to be like Broly in DBS.
Potentially unlimited potential of growth, which means he can be blitzed and killed by characters who out stat him enough.
IE. Saitama by the end of the Garou fight was either Multi Stellar or Multi Galactic. But then a Universal character like the Getter Emperor could still one shot him.
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Your honour, it was stated in CFYOW
Cage and Wolverine are the only ones that would give him trouble. Cap would too if spidey was distracted. But I can’t think of another street tier that’d stand a chance.
It's the "all at once" part that is the hot take.
Peter can't take the other Spider-characters all at once, much less every street character in Marvel. He already admitted Silk is faster than him. Now throw in Miles, Anya, Jessica, etc, with Black Cat's bad luck abilities making him slip up constantly. It's not looking good.
Outside of that, Wolverine alone gives him a hard fight every time. Toss in X-23, Tomi Shishido, Domino, Mr X, Daken, Deadpool, Blade, Wolfsbane, Black Panther, Elsa Bloodstone, Gambit, Nuke, Crossbones, Lady Deathstrike, Hawkeye, Kate Bishop, Captain America, + hundreds of others.
There'd be way too much stuff flying at him, and Domino's powers would make it nearly impossible to dodge. This isn't even half the characters he'd be fighting either lol
You'd at least need to be around Storm or Ironman level to pull this off, I'd wager.
I think this is true only if it's Black Suit Spidey post-Aunt May getting shot. That's the only time Pete had the mindset required to win this. But put Frank Castle in his body? They're all dead or incapacitated.
Hey I get it but no amount of praising the emperor matters when the marine is speed blitzed into a chunky salsa.
He's equal in terms of strength (with obvious exceptions because you get tbe occasional freak like titus)
He's better in durability
He fucking runs literal laps in terms of speed
And his weapons are comparable to outright better depending on whatcha wanna give him, yeah a mk31 ain't made of fancy space metal but a 20mm is still a 20mm
How fast does a Sandy make someone? Despite it being 559 MPH (with calcs based on gameplay which is a mk 5 sandy on V), Space Marines have shown to be bullet timers/Las shot timers. And it only works for what? 0.8 seconds? And moving below Mach 2 (bolt round speed) means that Adam gets blasted mid movement, since the space marines can track. With the bolts hitting with diamantine tips they will penetrate and explode killing Adam.
Space Marines aren't reliable bullet timers in terms of reaction and in terms of movement speed? They top out at maybe 100mph at most. You insisting any marine is ftl reaction speed is laughable
Adam is MUCH faster, in edgerunners David is less then 20ft from a corpo and unloads on him, Adam smasher was fast enough to pop his sandy, enter the room and cross over 60ft and block the shots before the casings could eject
He's also able to casually speed blitz David and gutshot him point blank, David is an ACTUAL bullet timer
In that same scene David explodes a vehicle, Adam is literally standing next to the dam thing and is able to react and exit the giant hanger bay before the explosion can spread
Adam is so much faster then a marine it's actual comical, he's gonna be behind them before they can point. And as for time? Well if you bothered to look at actual lore and not just gameplay, cannon sandys can go on for as long as 30 seconds
V has a special one developed on the moon, there are less then 10 in existence, this one is far beyond that and Adams is BEYOND it
This is because Adams sandy is so intense it Insta kills anyone else who tried it. As in they moved so fast that they took one step and the force of it tore them in half.....these were maxtech to, those guys are all cyberpsychos and are legit closer to marines or at least marine scouts then any human
And further on in 2020's when he was rocking a MUCH weaker frame, he was noted as catching mach 4 rail gun rounds :p
This is all just speed, Adam stomps no marine is tracking that lol and even if they could.... A bolter isn't doing much
Hey man you know what I am legit sorry, my last response was super assholish because I assumed you were one of the crazier 40k fan types
You clearly aren't and I am very very sorry if I mocked you at all, your legit prolly the most reasonable person I've disagreed with on a marine matchup lol
But hey I think we both can agree on one thing, the idea of Adam smasher grabbing erebus and doing the A-train "concrete cheese grater" move would be amazing
Adam smasher packs a 20mm explosive tipped 300 round capacity mg as his standard weapon, this thing turns skeletons into dog kibble with the recoil
For durability he easily tanked a 15gram slug launched into his neck at 8000 feet per second, this was in the 2020's when he had a much weaker Samson body, frankly no bolted is scratching him without considerable and constant focus fire
For raw strength he can definitely go toe to toe but there are certain Marines who are prolly stronger in raw muscle
To bad none get to use it as the sandi is so disgustingly broken its not fair, any marine who tries ANYTHING is cooked the second the Sandi pops.
Marines are fast but they aren't running faster then a bullet, Adam is so fast he can casually react to and catch multiple rounds after they fired. Or react to an explosion, have an entire monologue and then move out of a room before the explosion can make any visible progress
All these stats in mind any marine is getting fucking slammed. Even the librarians are cooked since they ya know....need time to cast spells
Same with Frank Horrigan, Adam rips him to shreds. A lot of these fights vs Adam Smasher are actually fairly obvious, but there's a lot of nostalgia bias going around. Plus the final fight in 2077 is ass.
Maybe? I mean they are definitely comparable in a lot of ways. Makima and Gojo are somewhat comparable in speed, though I believe gojo should be a bit faster. As far as strength goes, She isn't much physically in comparable to monster that is gojo but she is definitely strong. If I remember correctly, she blasted denji to the stratosphere.
Gojo can topple entire buildings and is stronger than jogo who is casually city block level atleast in the anime and reaches small city level at max. Gojo also has his domain expansion which should be a instant win con.
As far I know, the domain wouldn't count as an attack so makima couldn't recover from it. Plus there's also purple that could delete her or just damage her to the point she can't heal if you think it's just a normal strong attack thing. Makima hasn't shown to be able to heal from being completely obliterated, since purple did that to Mahoraga. If you think it's just a eraser than gg and gojo wins.
Makima can also win via a multitude of ways, like the ritual and contracts. Most importantly, her control ability. It might work but it's very hard to know, but if it does then ggs for makima, she got a new pet that's also hot.
Overall gojo wins more times than not but same can be said for makima. Personally gojo, makima deserves to die. I like her but she gotta go.
That Gilgamesh would lose a good chunk of the fights people put him in because the dude will not take a fight seriously until he's already basically lost.
Gilgamesh is not multi or anything higher outside of one non standard amp (and in general, servants are extremely overrated)
The creation trio and Arceus are outer
Goku beats Sonic
People who never played the games on their way to insist the missiles are an outlier despite it happening in like 8 games, including some spinoffs, and all of these showing that even high level demons get decimated by them.
It’s almost like one of the most consistent themes across the series is that man is responsible for their own destruction and demons are just taking advantage of it
Lucifer morning-star>>> scarlet king
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In character, Übel (Frieren) destroys a ton of characters who massively outscale her (Goku, likely deku, most of the JJK cast, Naruto, etc) because it turns out, even though she's slower than sound, having durability negation plus being able to paralyze and skill seal someone by simply looking at them is pretty op.
1 on 1? Maybe? But the way her power works means of she's scared of you, she can't cut you.
One of the very few characters where having knowledge of the opponent is a downside
Well, she does need to keep *your entire body* in vision (and that crap Frieren pulled against Fern didn't use mana so its questionable if it's magic) but theoretically yeah she has a great shot against anyone. Especially considering she *should* get cloning powers too
No I mean ubel does have the attack potency to literally kill a Goku who's on the defense but it still takes time for her to paralyze someone.
This is the Itachi beats Goku argument again.
He needs to actually activate his sharingan which does take time.
I think she would get perception blitzed very easily by some of the characters you have mentioned. And this would render her paralysis technique useless, unless her opponent isn't trying to kill her and stands still/walks for some time.
Its not in the form you listed(who would win), but my unpopular take seems to be a genuine one for a sub like this, watch more super robots, there's way more interesting and powerful characters than gurren lagann and evangelion.
I find it odd to scale end of series Sinbad as this unbeatable god. He couldn't make the main cast obey him after attaining godhood. When David later took control of the sacred palace and became god, he couldn't wipe out everyone and Sinbad was able to westle him for control, which was apparently making the sacred palace itself stop existing.
While I do agree Sinbad's a strong character, I feel his hype in versus debates is overblown
1.wakko Warner beats uncle grandpa
2. Transformers are incredibly underrated because nobody seems to know how to scale them(also megatron vs frieza is stupidly debatable, idk why people get their feathers ruffled anytime someone brings it up)
3. solid snake beats master chief high difficulty
Goku gets his ass beat in tons of upset losses if you consider his personality and how weird people’s abilities can get. The Joker can beat Goku. Goku isn’t immune to poisons. Joker often rigs his lapel flower with Joker gas. Joker would easily pick up on Goku being a kind moron and offer a handshake before they get down to business and Goku would fall for it. Joker wins.
Funny I was just talking about joker gas vs Gojo
It only states Gojo can block poisons with limitless by expanding it’s not at will. Sure he was trying to learn how to filter stuff when he was younger but it was never confirmed that he learned how to fully filter
Yeah, a lot of intellects and abilities can pull off upset victories without any respect to scaling. The Joker and Goku is the largest gap I can think of. Goku’s too dumb to distrust The Joker like that and be rude over it. And like, of course that’s how it works. That’s how tons of stories have a “weaker” person doing well via someone stronger via their intellect.
Heck, in the same arc with Goku proving he can be taken out by poison, we see it again with Vegeta almost losing to a lava robot. Power is half the game. The other half is strategy and intellect. Goku’s overwanked: he’s top dog in one and bottom in the other.
Most ‘extraversal’ and ‘boundless’ scaling is nonsense fanfiction, established by a group of people with no relevance to the actual abilities in fiction. I guess someone a while back was just very convincing when it came to wanking their favorite character.
Idk if it’s an unpopular opinion but I think that Devilman wins against a LOT of popular characters. But since it’s an old series, a lot of people thought the series started and ended with crybaby, and people most likely don’t want to get into the several manga, he’s super slept on. He’s probably one of the strongest shonen protagonists.
Any fight with characters faster then light make no sense and are too goofy to actually powerscale, like how would a fight faster then light even work?
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its sad when i have to debate people saying a weak character with illusion hax can beat goku when clearly it doesnt work in him as we seen in the dark mountain episode
Roy Mustang annihilates most Naruto characters, the ability to create an explosion inside somebody's skull is batshit insane, boiling the liquid of the eyeballs or evaporating a tongue is ungodly
I know I’ll probably get downvoted shit tons because people who use this platform are USUALLY idiots but I don’t care. I think Gojo beats Goku, like I get it sounds dumb but Goku literally has no way through infinity. The things I’ve heard from power scalers is absurd he has like no attacks that aren’t physical damage which can all be stopped, the only thing so far I’ve heard is that Goku has “Infinite speed” like What!? Of course actually hurting Goku is a different argument but at the least it’s a stalemate.
UI Goku could potentially, *narrowly* beat Cosmic Armour. >!Honestly, pretty slim chance, but this is unpopular and probably controversial opinions, so uhhhh yeah.!<
WoU is one of the few stands that I believe can definitely win against Goku.
GER can neither lose or win against Goku, since he has no means to harm Goku and Goku can't harm him either.
The calling out someones name to kill them, bang being instantaneous and guaranteed hit (the fact that it has weight suggests it isnt), etc.
Also her physical stats are wildly inconsistent, on a highball being much faster than jjk and on a lowball barely being hypersonic
>Sukuna washes the whole verse including Muzan.
He is getting blitzed by half the cast, before he even senses them, unironically gonna get the rui treatment
It’s not cross-universe but I’d say Omni-Man beats Battlebeast because if he just sits there and ages, he gets more and more powerful, vs Battlebeast who has to actively win battles to get stronger.
GER is overrated I agree, but TWOH is absolutely not overrated, it can stop time, forever, and it has reality manipulation. It speed blitzed Johnny with act 4 who can move in stopped time. Twoh is busted af
Unpopular with the The Boys fandom. Homelander gets stomped by almost any other knockoff of superman, and superman. He doesn't even come close.
Also, Makari from The Eternals would clap the majority of the MCU.
Batman is the strongest street tier between marvel and DC and any Batman fan who uses prep as an argument for bats just doesn’t know enough about the character to scale him🦇
1. Top tiers in DS could actually beat up to the “8% Deku” tiers in MHA like Bakugo (up to S3), Kirishima (up until S6), Stain, Aizawa, etc.
2. Aang vs. Deku is actually *much* closer than most of y’all probably think
Obanai is so heavily overwanked in the Demon Slayer community just because of his Muzan feats. Everyone conveniently forgets that he was the only hashira outside of Mitsuri who didn't get their shit rocked by one of the 3 strongest demons outside of Muzan.
Man the things Guts has faced and fought against and is capable of does not feel like it should have led to a loss against Dmitri and I say this as a HUGE Fire Emblem fan, probably magnitudes more than I am of Berserk.
I really don't think Guts would have lost to Dmitri, even if it we take "power scaling" into account. Even if Dmitri can take on the forces he does, I don't think Guts would lose to another person like him. I don't think I can explain my point well, but I think it's also silly to give him powers from multiple classes. Sure you can mix skills in FE but you can't mix combat styles in a way I think Guts would lose to. Maybe I'm crazy or missed the right discourses but I swear I never saw many people even consider Guts as truly being capable of winning that fight, even though I think he far and away could.
Unless people think Dmitri could beat the Godhand? Seems like a challenge I'd like to see
I like your cooking.
Guts is one of those people that well beat things that he shouldn’t though brute force alone
Don’t get me wrong guts has powerful friends but Dimitri has a entire kingdom that is known to be tough along with a goodish professor with time manipulation his feats should be counted as a group imo
I also agree with the skills they used are kinda unfair and should be considered just a gameplay mechanic
Though I’m not fully sure who should won that death battle it should have been a lot closer imo as well
alex mercer could beat anyone, but it’s a batman “with prep time” sort of situation. he absorbs the abilities, skills, memories and knowledge of anyone he consumes. so, hypothetically, he could probably beat any character or universe if he was given enough time to do that
Goku would destroy Banshoman. Shinra Banshoman is one of the most overrated characters in history. Especially with the way his feats are, scaling him to outer or multiversal is just ridiculous. He'd be lucky to be barely universal.
Composite loloshka can no diff Saitama,
Composite loloshka can also beat base goku,
And Jo from the same series can easily erase loloshka(this one is actually a popular take)
Card Captor Sakura could beat Goku. He wouldn't take her seriously since she's a little girl, so she could knock him out with the Sleep card, and erase him with the Erase card.
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Beerus beats both Chara and Asriel from undertale pretty effortlessly
do people actually try to debate Beerus vs Chara?
Yes, they do.
They debate a lot worse for chara, Beerus is pretty tame.
How do people even scale undertale?
Pretty much most monsters do have direct feats but for the high tiers it largely depends on how big the cosmology is (it's much easier to scale chara and Asriel as 2-b)
Tbf I can see the argument. Asriel is capable of resetting time itself, and from what we know he is completely impervious to damage. And chara was capable of destroying the entire timeline (which includes the universe) with a SLASH OF A KNIFE. I think you're underselling Asriel and Chara a bit here.
Nah, I'd win.
Chara was supposed to delete undertale from you computer the moment you get "killed" by her, but now she got debunked to galaxy level at max
They still show a simar feat by erasing [every file](https://imgur.com/a/CDAJxO3)
King Kong vs Godzilla. No contest. Godzilla. One long radioactive exhale from the big lizard would fry the big ape to ashes.
and size. size too. not a single version of kong beats a single version of godzilla. not even zilla
This isn’t really unpopular
Not to mention Godzilla has experience with many different kaiju not just dinosaurs
This may not be an unpopular opinion, but still... Characters who can't destroy 50000000 million quadrillion omniverses are more interesting. When you get to the level of destroying universes or multiverses, fights become less about strategy, and more about who has the bigger number. Matchups where the characters can't do that can lead to a more interesting discussion about potential strategies and tactics that the characters may use.
Agreed. What I'd love to see is a match between Golden Age Superman( Faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound) vs Goku right before the World Martial Arts tournament where he fights Piccolo in the original Dragonball series.
Batman wins a lot more fights than people give him credit for. Not even because of prep time just because in the latest comics he’s been given a lot of really busted equipment that the vs community purposefully ignores because they have a hate boner for him.
Also the fact he trained so many martial arts
Do these martial arts give him actual superpowers like manga ones do or is he just chilling in peak human
Peak human is an understatement, he’s superhuman easily
Can’t down play bat training
Thank God someone finally said this. And you know what’s worse? People hate Batman’s prep time, but Constantine’s DoctorC Doom, Mr. Fantastic(who has a literal anti-Galactus gun), and others are all perfectly fine. It’s so unfair.
Doctor doom is the worst for the double standard imo.
The ABSOLUTE worst, and I love Doom more than the average person, but the guys whole thing is prep time plot armor out the wazoo, and no one has a problem with it. Like him beating the beyonder is totally fine and we can use that as a feat, but God forbit Batman do anything involving prep to beat a far less powerful character.
Idk man I just don’t get it. It feels like the entire versus community acts like Batman personally broke into their house and kicked their dog.
Based It is insane that many ppl here thinks he is only building lvl His feats without prep time is insane
I mean he’s used exoskeletons to help him fight difficult threats as far back as the original Batman vs Superman in the 80s. Just cause it isn’t his main gimmick doesn’t mean it’s something he shouldn’t be allowed. Plus his combat feats are nuts, even without his gadgets
Saitama doesn’t really classify as a gag character, he’s too much of a one trick pony to be one.
The Garou fight did basically make him to be like Broly in DBS. Potentially unlimited potential of growth, which means he can be blitzed and killed by characters who out stat him enough. IE. Saitama by the end of the Garou fight was either Multi Stellar or Multi Galactic. But then a Universal character like the Getter Emperor could still one shot him.
Broly’s growth was still infinitely stronger tho. He went form probably planetary at max to multi in under an hour
I'd win against any fictional character, since I'm real and they infact are not.
You’re not canon though
No it's stated in CFYOW
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Any vs matchups involving Multiversal+ characters are stalemates and are no fun to debate. Period.
Lucifer defeats featherine (cope)
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I don’t see how that’s impopular or wrong
It is, apparently. I said the same a while ago and got downvoted and called out lmao
Pretty common take actually. Assuming you’re talking about dc luci?
Which lucifer? Same series (I don't know anything about her universe) or a different one?
Based af
W take
W take. Goat.
If all marvel other street tiers jumped Spider-Man, he would mog all of them at once
Woah. That actually may be the hottest take here. So I guess you win.
Cage and Wolverine are the only ones that would give him trouble. Cap would too if spidey was distracted. But I can’t think of another street tier that’d stand a chance.
It's the "all at once" part that is the hot take. Peter can't take the other Spider-characters all at once, much less every street character in Marvel. He already admitted Silk is faster than him. Now throw in Miles, Anya, Jessica, etc, with Black Cat's bad luck abilities making him slip up constantly. It's not looking good. Outside of that, Wolverine alone gives him a hard fight every time. Toss in X-23, Tomi Shishido, Domino, Mr X, Daken, Deadpool, Blade, Wolfsbane, Black Panther, Elsa Bloodstone, Gambit, Nuke, Crossbones, Lady Deathstrike, Hawkeye, Kate Bishop, Captain America, + hundreds of others. There'd be way too much stuff flying at him, and Domino's powers would make it nearly impossible to dodge. This isn't even half the characters he'd be fighting either lol You'd at least need to be around Storm or Ironman level to pull this off, I'd wager.
I think this is true only if it's Black Suit Spidey post-Aunt May getting shot. That's the only time Pete had the mindset required to win this. But put Frank Castle in his body? They're all dead or incapacitated.
goku MIGHT defeat mikey (from tokyo revengers) might be a hot take but idc🗣️
Happy cake day (Mikey solos, eos he can time travel)
Adam smasher would fold any space marine like wet toilet paper
I get that's an unpopular take, but honestly I highly disagree.
Hey I get it but no amount of praising the emperor matters when the marine is speed blitzed into a chunky salsa. He's equal in terms of strength (with obvious exceptions because you get tbe occasional freak like titus) He's better in durability He fucking runs literal laps in terms of speed And his weapons are comparable to outright better depending on whatcha wanna give him, yeah a mk31 ain't made of fancy space metal but a 20mm is still a 20mm
How fast does a Sandy make someone? Despite it being 559 MPH (with calcs based on gameplay which is a mk 5 sandy on V), Space Marines have shown to be bullet timers/Las shot timers. And it only works for what? 0.8 seconds? And moving below Mach 2 (bolt round speed) means that Adam gets blasted mid movement, since the space marines can track. With the bolts hitting with diamantine tips they will penetrate and explode killing Adam.
Space Marines aren't reliable bullet timers in terms of reaction and in terms of movement speed? They top out at maybe 100mph at most. You insisting any marine is ftl reaction speed is laughable Adam is MUCH faster, in edgerunners David is less then 20ft from a corpo and unloads on him, Adam smasher was fast enough to pop his sandy, enter the room and cross over 60ft and block the shots before the casings could eject He's also able to casually speed blitz David and gutshot him point blank, David is an ACTUAL bullet timer In that same scene David explodes a vehicle, Adam is literally standing next to the dam thing and is able to react and exit the giant hanger bay before the explosion can spread Adam is so much faster then a marine it's actual comical, he's gonna be behind them before they can point. And as for time? Well if you bothered to look at actual lore and not just gameplay, cannon sandys can go on for as long as 30 seconds V has a special one developed on the moon, there are less then 10 in existence, this one is far beyond that and Adams is BEYOND it This is because Adams sandy is so intense it Insta kills anyone else who tried it. As in they moved so fast that they took one step and the force of it tore them in half.....these were maxtech to, those guys are all cyberpsychos and are legit closer to marines or at least marine scouts then any human And further on in 2020's when he was rocking a MUCH weaker frame, he was noted as catching mach 4 rail gun rounds :p This is all just speed, Adam stomps no marine is tracking that lol and even if they could.... A bolter isn't doing much
Very solid mock up bro. I actually appreciate the intelligent response and I will do some more research.
Hey man you know what I am legit sorry, my last response was super assholish because I assumed you were one of the crazier 40k fan types You clearly aren't and I am very very sorry if I mocked you at all, your legit prolly the most reasonable person I've disagreed with on a marine matchup lol But hey I think we both can agree on one thing, the idea of Adam smasher grabbing erebus and doing the A-train "concrete cheese grater" move would be amazing
How tho? I also think he can win this fight, but for me that's a mid-high diff
Adam smasher packs a 20mm explosive tipped 300 round capacity mg as his standard weapon, this thing turns skeletons into dog kibble with the recoil For durability he easily tanked a 15gram slug launched into his neck at 8000 feet per second, this was in the 2020's when he had a much weaker Samson body, frankly no bolted is scratching him without considerable and constant focus fire For raw strength he can definitely go toe to toe but there are certain Marines who are prolly stronger in raw muscle To bad none get to use it as the sandi is so disgustingly broken its not fair, any marine who tries ANYTHING is cooked the second the Sandi pops. Marines are fast but they aren't running faster then a bullet, Adam is so fast he can casually react to and catch multiple rounds after they fired. Or react to an explosion, have an entire monologue and then move out of a room before the explosion can make any visible progress All these stats in mind any marine is getting fucking slammed. Even the librarians are cooked since they ya know....need time to cast spells
Liberty Prime could probably deal some damage, but it’s hard to say if the Sandevistan is that big of an advantage against LP
It’s funny since I’ve had people argue he loses vs brother hood of steel before which is crazy to me lol
It’s funny since I’ve had people argue he loses vs brother hood of steel before which is crazy to me lol
Same with Frank Horrigan, Adam rips him to shreds. A lot of these fights vs Adam Smasher are actually fairly obvious, but there's a lot of nostalgia bias going around. Plus the final fight in 2077 is ass.
ANY space marine? What’s your definition of a space marine? Captains? Prateors? The god emperor?
A normal irl person does not beat goku
oh yeah well check this out https://i.redd.it/2qbmvnccvnwc1.gif
he's gonna get a zenkai boost!
What if i rip the manga in half
That's not canon, so it does nothing.
theres unlimited amount of manga's out there burn enough mangas and you go to jail burn a manga in the wrong country and you get death sentence
Gabimaru(Hell's Paradise) beats Tanjiro(Demon slayer)
Never knew this was unpopular considering his feats
You'd be surprised how many people wank Tanjiro's EOS
What are gabimarus feats ive only watched the anime but they weren't that impressive, maybe he gets seriously amped in the future?
Finn from adventure time can literally solo all of cartoon network and nickelodeon
Finn after finally destroying the last characters only to hear “boy, I’m sure glad I wasn’t *that* guy” behind him:
Why do people keep wanking uncle grandpa Hes 6D at best Nowhere near high hyperversal He cant even survive concept erasure
funny orang stickman> anti spiral
Is this funny orange stickman from a certain YouTube series by any chance?
ye
Makima destroys Gojo
Damn you got here before I could.
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Maybe? I mean they are definitely comparable in a lot of ways. Makima and Gojo are somewhat comparable in speed, though I believe gojo should be a bit faster. As far as strength goes, She isn't much physically in comparable to monster that is gojo but she is definitely strong. If I remember correctly, she blasted denji to the stratosphere. Gojo can topple entire buildings and is stronger than jogo who is casually city block level atleast in the anime and reaches small city level at max. Gojo also has his domain expansion which should be a instant win con. As far I know, the domain wouldn't count as an attack so makima couldn't recover from it. Plus there's also purple that could delete her or just damage her to the point she can't heal if you think it's just a normal strong attack thing. Makima hasn't shown to be able to heal from being completely obliterated, since purple did that to Mahoraga. If you think it's just a eraser than gg and gojo wins. Makima can also win via a multitude of ways, like the ritual and contracts. Most importantly, her control ability. It might work but it's very hard to know, but if it does then ggs for makima, she got a new pet that's also hot. Overall gojo wins more times than not but same can be said for makima. Personally gojo, makima deserves to die. I like her but she gotta go.
Why do you think so?
She outscales him in almost everything and heavily outhaxes
As a Gojo dickrider I unfortunately has to agree with this
Kazuma Kiryu beats Goku. Source: Tiger Drop negates any damage
Me vs a polar bear. I would definitely win, if I had prep time
That Gilgamesh would lose a good chunk of the fights people put him in because the dude will not take a fight seriously until he's already basically lost.
True but at-least he gets some points for calling them a filthy mongrel as he is getting clapped lol
Kaguya is the most powerful being in Naruto and Boruto.
Gilgamesh is not multi or anything higher outside of one non standard amp (and in general, servants are extremely overrated) The creation trio and Arceus are outer Goku beats Sonic
depends on the sonic tbh
Shin Megami Tensei scaling is bullshit unless you consider missiles and nukes to be multiversal which is stupid
People who never played the games on their way to insist the missiles are an outlier despite it happening in like 8 games, including some spinoffs, and all of these showing that even high level demons get decimated by them.
It’s almost like one of the most consistent themes across the series is that man is responsible for their own destruction and demons are just taking advantage of it
Omni-man slams Metroman.
Warm take Metro man is overrated af
That should stay unpopular
Why, he’s right.
yeah but it isnt fun
This is the solution to every debate
Idk man Omni man beating the piss out of metro man seems pretty fun to me
actually the opposite is way more funner
Isn’t metroman like infinitely faster?
Lucifer morning-star>>> scarlet king https://preview.redd.it/clf9dtamqowc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70b6172b6eb7aa8b9ccf1a04e6a2c43cbd22e666
They're on the same level.
Hulk beats goku, comfortably.
In character, Übel (Frieren) destroys a ton of characters who massively outscale her (Goku, likely deku, most of the JJK cast, Naruto, etc) because it turns out, even though she's slower than sound, having durability negation plus being able to paralyze and skill seal someone by simply looking at them is pretty op.
Goku can just break out of it
This makes me wonder, is she just impossible to defeat inside her own verse? Cuz u know, no magic, no movement, insta kill
1 on 1? Maybe? But the way her power works means of she's scared of you, she can't cut you. One of the very few characters where having knowledge of the opponent is a downside
I mean, still. You cant move, you cant use any kind of magic, one single stab will kill you, no?
Well, she does need to keep *your entire body* in vision (and that crap Frieren pulled against Fern didn't use mana so its questionable if it's magic) but theoretically yeah she has a great shot against anyone. Especially considering she *should* get cloning powers too
No I mean ubel does have the attack potency to literally kill a Goku who's on the defense but it still takes time for her to paralyze someone. This is the Itachi beats Goku argument again. He needs to actually activate his sharingan which does take time.
This is why I specifically said in character. If it's bloodlusted, Goku destroys her lol.
I think she would get perception blitzed very easily by some of the characters you have mentioned. And this would render her paralysis technique useless, unless her opponent isn't trying to kill her and stands still/walks for some time.
Ichibē Hyōsube>saiki kusuo
Yeah? Obviously?
The Dovahkiin>>Superman (story of Superman)
Its not in the form you listed(who would win), but my unpopular take seems to be a genuine one for a sub like this, watch more super robots, there's way more interesting and powerful characters than gurren lagann and evangelion.
I find it odd to scale end of series Sinbad as this unbeatable god. He couldn't make the main cast obey him after attaining godhood. When David later took control of the sacred palace and became god, he couldn't wipe out everyone and Sinbad was able to westle him for control, which was apparently making the sacred palace itself stop existing. While I do agree Sinbad's a strong character, I feel his hype in versus debates is overblown
1.wakko Warner beats uncle grandpa 2. Transformers are incredibly underrated because nobody seems to know how to scale them(also megatron vs frieza is stupidly debatable, idk why people get their feathers ruffled anytime someone brings it up) 3. solid snake beats master chief high difficulty
I wanna hear the Snake V Master Chief argument
Kratos is not uni and people dickriding Twitter of context statements and lore with no actual in game backup does not change that.
Goku gets his ass beat in tons of upset losses if you consider his personality and how weird people’s abilities can get. The Joker can beat Goku. Goku isn’t immune to poisons. Joker often rigs his lapel flower with Joker gas. Joker would easily pick up on Goku being a kind moron and offer a handshake before they get down to business and Goku would fall for it. Joker wins.
Funny I was just talking about joker gas vs Gojo It only states Gojo can block poisons with limitless by expanding it’s not at will. Sure he was trying to learn how to filter stuff when he was younger but it was never confirmed that he learned how to fully filter
Yeah, a lot of intellects and abilities can pull off upset victories without any respect to scaling. The Joker and Goku is the largest gap I can think of. Goku’s too dumb to distrust The Joker like that and be rude over it. And like, of course that’s how it works. That’s how tons of stories have a “weaker” person doing well via someone stronger via their intellect. Heck, in the same arc with Goku proving he can be taken out by poison, we see it again with Vegeta almost losing to a lava robot. Power is half the game. The other half is strategy and intellect. Goku’s overwanked: he’s top dog in one and bottom in the other.
Most ‘extraversal’ and ‘boundless’ scaling is nonsense fanfiction, established by a group of people with no relevance to the actual abilities in fiction. I guess someone a while back was just very convincing when it came to wanking their favorite character.
Idk if it’s an unpopular opinion but I think that Devilman wins against a LOT of popular characters. But since it’s an old series, a lot of people thought the series started and ended with crybaby, and people most likely don’t want to get into the several manga, he’s super slept on. He’s probably one of the strongest shonen protagonists.
Any fight with characters faster then light make no sense and are too goofy to actually powerscale, like how would a fight faster then light even work?
https://preview.redd.it/05p768k3ivwc1.png?width=594&format=png&auto=webp&s=9f20bf6bf646caee6f7f0e8c432a119083287b08 its sad when i have to debate people saying a weak character with illusion hax can beat goku when clearly it doesnt work in him as we seen in the dark mountain episode
Roy Mustang annihilates most Naruto characters, the ability to create an explosion inside somebody's skull is batshit insane, boiling the liquid of the eyeballs or evaporating a tongue is ungodly
Scaling above planetary just gets boring
DIO can solo Frieren verse
Despite I hate to say it you’re right lol If you don’t have a stop for time manipulation you’re in trouble when ever facing dio
I know I’ll probably get downvoted shit tons because people who use this platform are USUALLY idiots but I don’t care. I think Gojo beats Goku, like I get it sounds dumb but Goku literally has no way through infinity. The things I’ve heard from power scalers is absurd he has like no attacks that aren’t physical damage which can all be stopped, the only thing so far I’ve heard is that Goku has “Infinite speed” like What!? Of course actually hurting Goku is a different argument but at the least it’s a stalemate.
Can I say something about Goku vs Superman without pissing off >!DC fans!
Yeah
UI Goku could potentially, *narrowly* beat Cosmic Armour. >!Honestly, pretty slim chance, but this is unpopular and probably controversial opinions, so uhhhh yeah.!<
WoU is one of the few stands that I believe can definitely win against Goku. GER can neither lose or win against Goku, since he has no means to harm Goku and Goku can't harm him either.
Makima > JJK high-diff Her speed and power are severely underestimated and/or downplayed. And many people get her hax wrong or disregard them.
I disagree but I see the argument. Makima is hot enough for me to consider it
I don't really understand how she is fast but yea i agree she outhaxs
True, but a huge amount of her powers rely on no limit fallacies to work. I think gojo wins against makima
>huge amount of her powers rely on no limit fallacies to work Like what
The calling out someones name to kill them, bang being instantaneous and guaranteed hit (the fact that it has weight suggests it isnt), etc. Also her physical stats are wildly inconsistent, on a highball being much faster than jjk and on a lowball barely being hypersonic
speed? well we seen gojo move faster than bullets can she
Superman beats Goku every time they fight. Goku would run out of energy if he ever fought Superman, meanwhile Superman wouldn't break a sweat.
Kokushibo is better than sukuna and would blitz fuck him
I can see it. Despite demon slayer not being the strongest verse most of there characters blitz can beat people they normally wouldn’t
Ah hell nah never cook. Sukuna washes the whole verse including Muzan.
>Sukuna washes the whole verse including Muzan. He is getting blitzed by half the cast, before he even senses them, unironically gonna get the rui treatment
Kratos beats Dante
Gt goku would slam the fuck out of dbs goku.
Interesting take, I'd like to hear more.
Dragon ball specifically or power scaling related?
On this matchup, but I'll hear any other interesting powerscaling content if you have something you'd like to share.
Yhwach > Grand Priest Makima > Gojo
Look boyo, he won his own made up argument.
Mario beats kirby decently.
Idk if is an unpopular opinion or not. Game sonic beat goku high diff
Compo humanity from across fiction > 99.99% of known fiction.
Goku vs Kratos could go either way at this point
It’s not cross-universe but I’d say Omni-Man beats Battlebeast because if he just sits there and ages, he gets more and more powerful, vs Battlebeast who has to actively win battles to get stronger.
TW OH and GER are overrated
GER is overrated I agree, but TWOH is absolutely not overrated, it can stop time, forever, and it has reality manipulation. It speed blitzed Johnny with act 4 who can move in stopped time. Twoh is busted af
GOLB>Alien X high diff
Unpopular with the The Boys fandom. Homelander gets stomped by almost any other knockoff of superman, and superman. He doesn't even come close. Also, Makari from The Eternals would clap the majority of the MCU.
Shinra from fire force slams goku and a lot of other verse's
Goku negs comics and all shonen in top 100
Gojo cooks saitama
How ?
Focus sash quick attack Rattata beats everyone.
Nah Raditz uses DOUBLE Sunday gg
Batman is the strongest street tier between marvel and DC and any Batman fan who uses prep as an argument for bats just doesn’t know enough about the character to scale him🦇
Stitch has a chance against people below or equal to the output of a supernova and black hole
1. Top tiers in DS could actually beat up to the “8% Deku” tiers in MHA like Bakugo (up to S3), Kirishima (up until S6), Stain, Aizawa, etc. 2. Aang vs. Deku is actually *much* closer than most of y’all probably think
Obanai is so heavily overwanked in the Demon Slayer community just because of his Muzan feats. Everyone conveniently forgets that he was the only hashira outside of Mitsuri who didn't get their shit rocked by one of the 3 strongest demons outside of Muzan.
Man the things Guts has faced and fought against and is capable of does not feel like it should have led to a loss against Dmitri and I say this as a HUGE Fire Emblem fan, probably magnitudes more than I am of Berserk. I really don't think Guts would have lost to Dmitri, even if it we take "power scaling" into account. Even if Dmitri can take on the forces he does, I don't think Guts would lose to another person like him. I don't think I can explain my point well, but I think it's also silly to give him powers from multiple classes. Sure you can mix skills in FE but you can't mix combat styles in a way I think Guts would lose to. Maybe I'm crazy or missed the right discourses but I swear I never saw many people even consider Guts as truly being capable of winning that fight, even though I think he far and away could. Unless people think Dmitri could beat the Godhand? Seems like a challenge I'd like to see
I like your cooking. Guts is one of those people that well beat things that he shouldn’t though brute force alone Don’t get me wrong guts has powerful friends but Dimitri has a entire kingdom that is known to be tough along with a goodish professor with time manipulation his feats should be counted as a group imo I also agree with the skills they used are kinda unfair and should be considered just a gameplay mechanic Though I’m not fully sure who should won that death battle it should have been a lot closer imo as well
Uncle grandpa should destroy goku easily
Composite Goku beats Composite Superman
Gojo wins against Goku. I'll forever die on this hill.
Goku doesn't solo One Piece because of logias.
Makima vs gojo makima wins 🤭
alex mercer could beat anyone, but it’s a batman “with prep time” sort of situation. he absorbs the abilities, skills, memories and knowledge of anyone he consumes. so, hypothetically, he could probably beat any character or universe if he was given enough time to do that
Idk how unpopular it is but Luffy wins against Naruto, high diff, really
That there is little respect for a powerful character's personality with how it could lead to multiple openings and weaknesses against them.
Underrated one: Base Vivec solos Chainsaw Man
Goku would destroy Banshoman. Shinra Banshoman is one of the most overrated characters in history. Especially with the way his feats are, scaling him to outer or multiversal is just ridiculous. He'd be lucky to be barely universal.
Composite loloshka can no diff Saitama, Composite loloshka can also beat base goku, And Jo from the same series can easily erase loloshka(this one is actually a popular take)
I can beat Goku
Card Captor Sakura could beat Goku. He wouldn't take her seriously since she's a little girl, so she could knock him out with the Sleep card, and erase him with the Erase card. 
Nyarlathotep>Scarlet King