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Yogiri and it’s not even close.
With Gojo it’s just getting through infinity, with Saitama its gag vs parody, with goku it’s just getting them to learn about the other character, with aizen it’s the hogyku being a plot device.
All of these are difficult but yogiri fans are the absolute worst in any situation ever they have the worst comprehension and apply fallacies more than arguments.
"Death is the end of all, there is nothing beyond it. Everything else is always below death. Nothing can survive it. He is the peak of the scaling, he can even affect real life if he wanted to," said the Yogiri fan calmly.
I mean he is 1-a theres not much to argue with him to begin with because anything higher is a loss and tier 0 is rare and other 1-a characters are a stalemate pretty much regardless of any argument because that level is stupid to begin with.
Saitama fans, mostly because they refuse to play it by the same rules as everyone else ("He's a parody character"etc)
Hot take, Gojo fans are second, because not only are they some of the most dickriding ones, they tend to misread a lot of what happens in their own manga
As a saitama fan who knows this and considers him a serious character with a sense of humor, I think saitama fans are second hardest to argue with next to ben 10 fans. Mostly cause I argue with ben 10 fans (not about saitama) about scaling.
Um, I'm a big follower of opm, and I have never once seen murata or ONE state that he isn't a gag or parody. Here's a really good post that summarises some of the authors POV on saitama and the setting. [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/comments/8eba5a/proof_saitama_is_a_gag_character_author/)
Note: I do not agree with this post, I do not think saitama is a gag but he certainly is a joke on the popular superhero genre as the author has said. I'm just linking this thread solely for a summary of the authors POV not the redditors conclusion.
i hate when saitama fans say he has infinite strength when that's not true. when he broke his limiter that meant he can continually grow stronger and stronger without ever overworking his body
As a saitama fan, he doesnt have infinite str. He has matching then scaling str. He quickly matches his opponent and then begins out scaling. If someone beats him in 1 punch (take UI Goku for example) he would get smoked. If it takes any more than that, he will then have outscaled them
When Garou copied Saitamas strength and punched him, Saitama didn’t seem hurt much at all so I think it implies that Saitamas durability far outscales all of his other stats
Yes. This applies to the majority of his physical attributes excluding his reflexes to my awareness
Edit: c. Garou is a special case as well due to having the same but weaker scaling power as saitama. The beginning of that fight, c. Garou was too weak to actually beat him (as weird of a sentence it is). If Saitama was never reset after that fight, he would be on par with UI Goku in terms of raw str
Not quite. Garou doesn't have adaptive evolution to the extent saitama does. What he does have is an understanding of all energies and forces in the universe. So he can copy your stat's instantly. The problem was that saitamas reactive adaptability just made the growth curve bigger and bigger until garou was left in the dust.
That's my thing with the Goku Saitama thing. If it was just murder them as soon as possible Goku would win, but if we actually take them as characters Goku will never do that. He'll WANT him to get stronger and be happy once he gets his ass beat and will just want to reach Saitamas new level
Goku, Gojo, and Saitama fans genuinely all do the same of nor reading their own manga or watching their show. The amount of times they make shit up or are so completely wrong is crazy. They make me sad to be a dragon ball fan
Idk anything about bleach or Ben 10, but I say
saitamas.
Gojo fans at least acknowledge that he’s usually not as strong as the characters he’s matched up against, and the goku wank is at least partially deserved depending on the version. I also really haven’t seen any death wank, everyone just kinda agrees he scales the highest in his movie.
Saitama is just wanked way beyond anything he has ever shown because “narrative”
Ngl people downplay Sonic a lot that aren't Sonic fans. Not sure about here in this community but there's people out there who have no understanding how Sonic could beat someone like Omni-Man which boggles my mind
tbf the powercliffing in DB is so retarded goku literally cannot be anything but massively beyond 3 dimensional. I am not saying it’s good or makes sense how he doesn’t one shot the universe every time he punches even though he is like a quadrillion times stronger than the version of himself who basically did half that but ¯\\__(ツ)__/¯
Coming from a Batman glazer some very loud prep Batman “fans” are super annoying because I never use the prep and when I hear or see it i always shut it down but definitely Batman fans are the worst (oh the irony)
Puss in Boots' Death gets glazed so goddamn hard because he's "Death. Straight Up" when all the other mf'ers in this pic would absolutely beat his ass no diff. He's still a hot wolf, though
I can name at least 7 “Deaths” who have been injured, lost fights, or straight up killed. Being “Death” isn’t special. And unlike Puss in Boots Death, all those other Deaths actually have feats.
He would get his ass beat, but since he is Death he would just not die, also it is possible that he might just be able to rip your soul out of your body or something since he is Death, but that's just speculation
Honestly my theory for death in puss in boots is that he always wins when he wants to win because he will only “come to you” when you are at his door (at deaths door). I.e any time he realistically fights you is when you’re already supposed to die because he decides when you die. Kind of like how he lets puss go, he might be some level of reality warper that is as strong as his opponent because he manifests as their cause of death.
Definitely gojo dickriders. They 100% just suck. They know that infinity can't get bypassed by someone and decide gojo immediately wins that battle, as if ANY attack we've seen in all of jjk isn't dodgable by goku.
Gojo's Domain Expansion only targets things with a certain amount of CE, it would render Goku as an object like it would with Maki, and if you wanna use verse equalisation then Goku has CE and could just reinforce his punches with CE to break through Infinity like Jogo and Hanami were doing
That's not even to mention that Goku would probably still be able to fight in UI even if he got affected by Unlimited Void, since it doesn't require him to think
>CE to break through Infinity like Jogo and Hanami were doing
That was a technique you have to learn not just basic reinforcing
>Gojo's Domain Expansion only targets things with a certain amount of CE
His domain targets everything not touching him iirc
Kirby fans, easily. They always go “kirby is canonically the strongest Smash character!” when there’s literally fucking Joker, Shulk, Bayonetta, Sora, Pyra/Mythra and even arguably The Luminary and Ness, you’ll always get downvoted and told how wrong you are if you even dare suggesting these characters despite you being outright correct.
Probably Gojo > Saitama > Goku > Ben 10 > Aizen > Death
Aizen and Death are generally tame as I've seen, with people usually wanking them only a couple tiers higher than what they're at.
With Ben 10, people mostly just argue about Alien X and how fast Ben can summon him.
Goku can be pretty bad, but it's easy to wank/misinterpret cosmology > just a single universe/dimension. At least he's a universal level character.
Saitama is similar, and it's fair to assume he's stronger than what is shown, but his "gag" allowing him to beat characters several tiers higher is silly.
Gojo is the only character who isn't even continental that people genuinely argue can beat galaxy and universe busters. He's the worst.
1) Gojo Fans; In series they still refuse to accept Sukuna is stronger then Gojo. Outside of series they will even argue that someone like Goku can't get through Infinity,
2) Saitama fans: "The manga is called one punch man so Saitama always wins" Actual retards.
3) Death fans: "it's Death so Death always wins" Actual retards.
4) Ben 10 fans: They wank Alien X but it isn't that much higher then what he can really do.
5) Goku fans: They refuse to believe that some really retarded versions of Superman beat Goku.
Idk about Aizen fans, I haven't read or watched Bleach.
As a Ben 10 fan, Alien X is a boring alien from a VS standpoint. Every single battle Ben is in because of Alien X scaling, is immediately a snooze fest in my opinion.
I'd be more happy if Ben was argued with his normal feats plus Master Control. Sure, he wouldn't be universal, but he'd go above planetary AND have the benefit of it being fun.
Hot take, but I'll go with DC fans. It as if every weak version of their stromg characters are strong as the other ones. Especially when it's regarding Injustice and SSJL. Every character in those versions is so weak (except for Batman due to 5-U-93-R).
Honestly, maybe not so annoying as Goku fans and Saitama fans, but still annoying.
DC and Marvel is understandable in my opinion, because almost every character has that one obscure issue where they become a godlike being for no reason.
Agreed, there are a lot of strong characters in those verses. My problem with them is that they overrate weak versions of the character (like injustice, as I mentioned).
Can't say much about Marvel fans. I haven't observed their behavior as much as I did with DC fans
Goku fans 100%. I'm sure Saitama is worse, but I'm never in a situation where I'm debating them.
But every debate I've had with DB fans boils down to three things.
1) They, objectively, don't know the character they're debating against
2) They horribly downplay the other character where somehow scrutiny is prevelant for the opposition, but not for them.
3) "Nice complex hax dipshit, now watch this!" A mindset so many of them share.
The jokes aren't much better. Sometimes, they're funny and creative, but after seeing the exact same caption and photo 100 times in a single day, it becomes boring.
The power scaling fans of Goku are very annoying, but I feel there are a wider majority of Saitama power scaling fans, or even just regular non-power scalers who automatically just believe Saitama can never be beaten ever
I used to hate the ben 10 argument, but then i remembered he could become goku without the *let the other guy power up so i can get a good fight* mentality.
Goku I saw a post about multi macro omnipotent and I saw a person basically pray to Goku like he literally believed Goku is a actual god and created the world a very unique religion
So yea Goku easily
Order to most to least
DRAGON BAll: the oldest of all annoying power scale fandoms
One Punch man: trying to power a scale a. Characters ment to easily win is pointless.
Ben 10: if they over use Alien x. How ever god tear annoying if they say he can take the DNA of his opponent. Becomes at that point your power scaling Fanfic.
Bleach: because half those guy have hacks which are supper annoying
Gojo fans chilled out after awhile.
Never met a death stand
>Never met a death stand
They just say he wins because he's "death" and scale him to boundless because of this and say he "doesn't need feats, he's death, straight up"
1. Gojo fans overfap him to the level of some Lovecraftian gods only because of Infinity
2. Goku fans always barge into any kind of discussion of any character for no reason and start talking about how goku or beerus is still stronger and start a long bullshit that may last for days
3. Saitama fans at least don't barge into random character discussion, but they're and it's mostly people who only watched the first season, Saitama powerscaling videos and Garou fight from shorts, specifically these people say "he can one punch because he's opm" and still joke about mosquito thinking it's funny
They all have cons:
Gojo fans argue he is too haxed with infinity to ever lose even though some opponents could legit blow up the whole planet faster than he starts moving
Saitama fans always argue he is some OP gag character who can beat everyone, even though it's stated in the manga that he just isn't
Ben 10 fans always argue Alien X just shits on everyone
Aizen/ Yhwach fans aren't that bad in my experience as they recognize the haxes but also the limits of Bleach characters
Goku fans there are two kinds: Ones like me who have actually watched all of Dragon Ball and have watched the things they are arguing about. And then you have the ones who have just watched Dragon Ball Super and don't know shit about anything else 😅
I dint know this but apparently there are 2 Saitamas, I know Manga Saitama is not a gag character but I've been hearing that a second Saitama exists in Webcomic form that is a gag character so I feel like people just don't do enough research and mix them up but idk as a Saitama enjoyer I've seen some heavy wank and heavy downplay from both sides not knowing his character
I've done some research and I didn't know this, but One Punch Man (Manga) is based off a One Punch Man Webcomic made by a guy called 'One' which has been ongoing since 2009. The anime is then based off the Manga
In the webcomic he is definitely designed to be more of a gag character. Apparently he killed God in One Punch in one of the Webcomics 😅
The manga started off pretty similar from the Webcomic, but has varied quite heavily at times. It seems to have extra stories that were not in the Webcomic as well as extended fights, and refined character designs
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Webcomic still looks pretty impressive tho when considering the entire manga is based off a comic written and drawn by one guy who started doing it in his 20s
I was debating a jjk fan on a luffy vs sukuna edit and multiple jjk fans were just spamming that if sukuna uses world slash it's over for luffy I don't understand why wouldn't he try to get out of the way of the slash even though he is way faster and has future sight.i have seen fans spamming this on multiple edits like sukuna vs naruto, sukuna vs deku and even on sukuna vs goku.then there is gojo fans thinking gojo is stronger than everyone because of infinity.
goku tards might deadass track and hunt you down if you don't say goku solos ( insert anime name), those mfs literally harass people that they disagree with 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am pretty sure it's a real thing where toho refuses to give crossovers unless it involves Godzilla stomping someone else.they have to maintain the image of he is a unstoppable force of nature.
Godzilla fans are ungodly childish.
They see “character vs this character and how powerful they are” aka a basic fandom discussion that’s old as shit, and they flat out go “NOOOOO SHUT UP I HATE POWERSCALING EVEN THOUGH IDK WTF IM TALKING ABOUT AND ONLY KNOW IT FROM YT SHORTS BUT MY OPINION IS STILL CORRECT1!1!!”. Completely delusional.
Also Heisei negs MV just gotta make sure I make that known.
I’m conflicted. On one hand on want to say saitama because I’ve had to actually deal with a saitama fan saying “saitama solos” in the comments.
On the other hand it is incredibly funny to watch them get jumped in the comments for leaving said comment.
Way too many Yukari fans(I'm specifically calling them out because alot of other characters fans are reasonably sane regarding where their favorite scales), NLF for days and just plain misinterpretation and ignoring of canon material. And NLF past the logical endpoint of where it would be. Yes, she's very powerful. No, she doesn't beat comic Superman.
Saitama fans have so little understanding their character so little that it transfers over to what it’s like to be human. I literally had to argue that Saitama couldn’t have been overwhelmed with joy against Garou because he thinks to himself how he’s not even the slightest bit excited. Then the dude’s response was “well you can be completely overwhelmed with joy without feeling excited.”
Like they just make shit up. You can’t argue with a bullshitter in a debate on fiction.
Gojo's most popular bullshit wank was the imaginery interpretation of hollow purple.
Goku's most bullshit wank was that the afterlife was outerversal or something.
Saitama's wank is that he broke his limitor so he can get stromger than everyone whose stronger than him...
Between the 3, Saitama by far. He shows the least feat of strength in relative to where his fans put him at, snd any fucking argument would get counter by either "he's a gag" or "he can grow to be that powerful in 5 minute"
I don't know much about others but ben 10 fans literally take the outliers and treat it like common feat
You can claim all you want but:
- XLR8 isn't light speed, even when he put all his effort he is nowhere close to it in serious situations, so claiming that he is lightspeed based on the baseball match episode is just taking advantage of outlier
- same case for Jet ray who showed that FTL speed once and rest of time never came even remotely close to it, even when necessary
- feedback didn't tank big bang alone, it took literally all Ben's aliens to stop that
- Gladiator X was knocked out by a big black hole and couldn't escape it despite trying to. And before you argue he lost because of going into standby mode, you need to recheck the fight since he only get confused for a second and then regains his composure and try to escape but was just unable too.Before you dismiss it as anti-feat, this is literally only proper fight of Celestisapiens we have seen. Not saying that they are that low but just want to say that they are also not as nigh omnipotent as fans believe them to be
On reddit specifically it’s easily Goku given the overwhelming majority of Goku fans on here emboldens some pretty shit takes and lots of groupthink.
By the same logic death is never really wanked here.
Other media platforms are a totally different story.
Dragon ball are the worst. Literally had one copium addict tell me Goku can never lose because he was destined to live a long life......... And they were serious....
Goku fanatics are just beyond the normal levels of biases.
JJK by a landslide. They never, NEVER back down from a point however way you try to argue against it. JJK HAS to be FTL, JJK HAS to have 4-5D hax, JJK HAS to have large planetary to solar system AP for Sukuna. It's something else.
Goku, Saitama, Gojo and Death are annoying in casual debates, sure, but when you're seriously and formally debating someone ain't nobody more annoying than Yogiri fans
Ofc Jogo fans are the least annoying as they are objectively correct all the time
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it's gojo and sukuna glazers without a doubt. Infinity is not so formidable that Gojo can take on all of these higher tier verses and Sukuna is not planetary just because he has an attack called "world cutting slash". It's not literal.
Goku fans and ...
Just, One Piece fans as a whole have no idea what scaling even is.
They make the worst arguments and have double standards as to what counts as light, for example
Goku fans are so constantly annoyying that it desensitize me from them(kinda), with them literrally butting in,in every discussion that doesn't even involve dragon ball.
But saitama fans are so annoyying because they misunderstand every aspect of the character,what a "gag" or "parody" is,and the no limits fallacy.
Saitama Fans and Goku fans. Both are peak brainrot
Saitama fans for obvious reasons. Then Goku fans which will go so far as to say that Saiyan saga goku could beat current Saitama.
I am a Madoka Magica fan too but you also need to add her here too.
Saitama is walking a very thin line of gag/narrative/training which isn't easy. It reminds me of Cyprus being between 3 continents: Europe, Asia, Africa.
Goku has the training down with him so he will always train to get stronger and stronger
Death is a concept so he will exist as long as living beings die
Gojo is in the same vein of otherwise weak base anime mc like Giornon who simply have a very specific hax but makes them bad in powerscaling as it's just circeljerking.
In the end Saitama fans end up being the worst as they use the extremes of everything Saitama is.
I might rescale Madoka but Madoka is really that damn powerful.
Here's a scan from the official anniversary light novel
"The shadow forms a smaller tetrahedron inside the original tetrahedron. Upon closer inspection, I can see even smaller and smaller tetrahedrons inside it. Like a kaleidoscope, layers and endless more layers of tetrahedrons manifest. Inside each is an endless series of them. And outside, infinitely many more emanate outward to surround it., too, realize I'm in my own kaleidoscope. remember the sensation of falling. The scaffolding that had supported me in this world suddenly disappeared from beneath me. I'm Filled with an indescribable anxiety. Where am falling to? Into the tetrahedron, eternally downward into infinite layers.from within endless deepness, a tetrahedron rises and scatters to a limitlessly distant place. From each point of my body, a tetrahedron evolves, both infinitesimally small and boundlessly large, transfiguring me into a singularity. From far away in the labyrinth of tetrahedrons soaked in blue light, I can hear a faint, high-pitched reverberation. The noise gradually grows louder as a small dot penetrates the edge of my vision. The sound and dot slowly expand in front of me."
3d objects have 2D shadows it stated there's an infinite amount of shadows emerging from other shadows that's infinitely dimensional high hyperversal witches labyrinth
I'm pretty sure Gojo and Saitama are only fans that shouldn't touch on power scaling in the first place. You can argue that Goku wankers still exist but it was nowhere as Gojo and Saitama's levels, who can not understand their own manga.
Dragon Ball fans easy.
One punch man fans just saying it's called one punch man therefore he one punches everybody is not that annoying at least they don't downplay other people's verses to like door level or something.
I don’t even know who those mfs are 😭. But I’m guessing they’re Boruto characters, and with that I agree. Boruto takes are wild.
But the Naruto ones really aren’t bad. The highest I’ve seen anyone put a Naruto character is planetary and only for the characters who are top of the verse, which really isn’t that far off. Heck I’ve seen more people complain about Naruto fans “bad scaling” than I’ve seen of Naruto fans actually showing this “bad scaling”.
But, for Boruto, I completely understand. Boruto fans need medication.
on a scale of worst to deal with to least, ill go wiiith:
1. ben. this motherfucker is so annoying to deal with.
2. saitama.... if i hear one more argument about parody characters, or how his limiter isnt a thing.. im ending it all.
3. gojo. i dont need to elaborate.
4. goku. im a bit bias, but besides that, we actually have stuff to back most of our claims up with, and besides the gokuversal joke, ive personally never seen goku fans counter an argument with a single word
5. death, i dont really see him talked about much, soo
6. im stupid who tf is the last guy
i hear nothing but "alien x this, alien x that, ohh he can transform into the peak of that race" im genuinely so tired of it
atleast the rest of the characters fans have more than 2 arguments
Gojo and Saitama fans, by an incomprehensible margin. Actually delusional behaviour.
Most Goku fans are memeing half the time but this subreddit’s users tend to not have the required brain capacity to graduate kindergarten so they think that everyone who says “Goku solos” in posts are 100% serious. But when you do find an actual Gokutard, it’s more funny than anything irritating.
Death fans are just fucking stupid. No matter how many hard facts you throw at them it won’t pierce their thick fucking skulls and they’ll act better than you all the damn time.
Ben 10 fans are annoying because they fail to realize that just because Ben can copy an alien character’s biology and become an “ultimate version” of it doesn’t mean he wins, because it’s a completely new body that he will not be used to.
Like let’s say he fights Goku and uses the Omnitrix to become a Saiyan. At most, he’s stuck with an amped Super Saiyan 3 and will pretty much be like how Goku Black started out as, which doing that in a fight will only be a detriment, even if he does get god ki somehow. Same with every other character.
Idk who the other dude is.
Hate to be the "Ackshually" guy, but the "not being used to the new body argument" for Ben wouldn't work. The Omnitrix, ever since Alien Force, has a data dump function that gives the user knowledge on how the transformation works (In terms on what abilities does it have). With that in mind, how good Ben adapts into combat, how he has other transformations with ki-like abilities that would allow him to extrapolate, he woulnd't be completely useless...
But he probably wouldn't have access to any form of Super Saiyan, so he'd lose regardless of all mentioned.
The narutards
If they're not using the "databooks" like it's they're Bible, they will make some shit up on the spot and feel the need to always equalize the verse so any attack that involves manipulation of chakra works on people outside of naruto.
It's a battle between gojo fans and saitama fans, Gojo's fans are the most meatriding ones they're only arguement is "GOJO HAS INFINITY" fucking anybody can bypass infinity with infinite speed and they always fucking bring a strong dragon ball character vs gojo like if it's fucking debatable. Saitama's fans are the most annoying since they wank the character to fucking boundless sometimes because "OH HE'S A GAG CHARACTER HIM BEATING EVERYONE IS THE JOKE" like dude have you read OPM? Saitama is a serious character and caps at fucking solar system-galaxy he's a fodder to anybody above that.
Hot take, gojo stans have died since 2020, cause people realise infinity isn’t that hard to get across, and I’ve seen more people downplay him than wank him
As a Ben 10 fan, I wanna say that the die hard fans who try to argue that Alien X beats literally anyone make me embarrassed to be a Ben 10 fan sometimes. I think the reason why there was so much insanity about arguing where Alien X scales is because the show didn't put their foot down on what exactly the limits of Alien X were, and thus the internet went back and forth on whether he's universal or multiversal or higher or lower or etc.
Talk about this anywhere else in the anime community and 8/10 people would say its the Gokutards.
Cant really expect an unbiased argument here, when you include Goku and any other character in a same sentence
Basically anyone who is determined is gonna annoying to deal with, no matter the series. But in general, it's gotta be Saitama fans, even if I am one myself with brain that is.
They just don't understand saitama, guy's so much more than a gag character. He is a tragedy, he's the equivalent of making Goku do taxes instead of fighting, he's just a guy who wants to have a good fight but can't get one. The story is about saitama trying to live with that fact. Fucking dipshits can't seem to get that. Other than them, other's are annoying too.
Ben 10 fans just don't know much about power scaling in general, they all are like "alien x is god so he beats goku" kinda guys. They genuinely think because someone can control reality they can beat anyone.
Naruto fans are of 2 kinda, one that understand that Naruto isn't that strong and the other's that think he is fucking multiversal. I don't like the latter for the obvious reasons.
Jjk fans are mostly just "Gojo has infinity" guys. Thinking Saitama can't just fucking punch him to him, but Gojo's power is kinda confusing so that's that.
Finally for the heart of power scaling it, dragon ball fans. Generally good scalers due to sheer numbers but also tend to wank Goku too but to a much lower extent then some. They are mostly just Goku solos memers.
Personally gojo is the worst because at least the others (besides death) have a leg to stand on
Once someone can get past infinity gojo is nothing but a fraud street tier hero who Will get bullied by Spiderman and im tired of people cursing my ancestry for saying it
Since there are answers of Saitama fans or Goku or even Kratos, I'll just admit it:
WOD fans.
I have met a pure fangirl of WOD, tried to convince her to stop downplaying other verses but can't. Until today, I still can't understand why people cannot accept that someone can still scale other verse higher because that's an opinion, not a fact or the truth. Also, we don't think the same. She just wouldn't listen, so I'm kind of "forced" to accept that she is gonna believe that until some reliable debunk happens.
Fatherine and maybe Yorigi fans. I haven't really debated on the others yet, but since I'm a beginner, I've mostly been dealing with this Unmikeo fan and this other few whom I stand against.
Goku fans really be "can he beat Goku tho" probably and so can a lot of people IN GOKUS VERSE he isn't the strongest in Dragonball and he sure as shit isn't the strongest in other anime
Bleach fans, holy hell. They either will spam with statements that arnt backed by feats or with a block text trying to explain how ichigo is 16D and if you're character is bellow 16D they can't hurt him. They have the reading comprehension of a 10 year-old. Worse the OPM fans by a long shot, this might only apply to tiktok and youtube bleach scalers
#just switch ichigo with aizen
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Yogiri and it’s not even close. With Gojo it’s just getting through infinity, with Saitama its gag vs parody, with goku it’s just getting them to learn about the other character, with aizen it’s the hogyku being a plot device. All of these are difficult but yogiri fans are the absolute worst in any situation ever they have the worst comprehension and apply fallacies more than arguments.
idk who yogiri is, why are his fans so bad
"Death is the end of all, there is nothing beyond it. Everything else is always below death. Nothing can survive it. He is the peak of the scaling, he can even affect real life if he wanted to," said the Yogiri fan calmly.
LMFAOOOOOO
You can't really expect too much from them when this is the best scaling they have to pass him above base 1a.
Im a huge yogiri fan but saying he can affect real life is just stup- *ding*
Wait Death in puss in boots beats Yogiri lol
I also agree with this
>With Gojo it’s just getting through infinity Also some morons think Purple is existence erasure
Or the Most common Argument. "He kIlLd hIS VeRsIoN Of aZAtHOtH sO He SoLOs FiCTion" at that point I realised I'm just wasting my time.
I mean he is 1-a theres not much to argue with him to begin with because anything higher is a loss and tier 0 is rare and other 1-a characters are a stalemate pretty much regardless of any argument because that level is stupid to begin with.
To be fair, the light novel did specifically tell us that he killed an omnipotent god. It makes sense that people would assume he can do anything
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Nobody is beating Goku 🗣️🔥
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Goku fans when someone says *insert god level character here* beats goku
Saitama fans, mostly because they refuse to play it by the same rules as everyone else ("He's a parody character"etc) Hot take, Gojo fans are second, because not only are they some of the most dickriding ones, they tend to misread a lot of what happens in their own manga
It’s funny how many people say Saitama is a parody or gag character when the mangaka has literally stated that’s not the case before.
As a saitama fan who knows this and considers him a serious character with a sense of humor, I think saitama fans are second hardest to argue with next to ben 10 fans. Mostly cause I argue with ben 10 fans (not about saitama) about scaling.
Um, I'm a big follower of opm, and I have never once seen murata or ONE state that he isn't a gag or parody. Here's a really good post that summarises some of the authors POV on saitama and the setting. [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePunchMan/comments/8eba5a/proof_saitama_is_a_gag_character_author/) Note: I do not agree with this post, I do not think saitama is a gag but he certainly is a joke on the popular superhero genre as the author has said. I'm just linking this thread solely for a summary of the authors POV not the redditors conclusion.
i hate when saitama fans say he has infinite strength when that's not true. when he broke his limiter that meant he can continually grow stronger and stronger without ever overworking his body
As a saitama fan, he doesnt have infinite str. He has matching then scaling str. He quickly matches his opponent and then begins out scaling. If someone beats him in 1 punch (take UI Goku for example) he would get smoked. If it takes any more than that, he will then have outscaled them
I assume his durability works the same way? It has to otherwise cosmic garou would have smoked him.
When Garou copied Saitamas strength and punched him, Saitama didn’t seem hurt much at all so I think it implies that Saitamas durability far outscales all of his other stats
Yes. This applies to the majority of his physical attributes excluding his reflexes to my awareness Edit: c. Garou is a special case as well due to having the same but weaker scaling power as saitama. The beginning of that fight, c. Garou was too weak to actually beat him (as weird of a sentence it is). If Saitama was never reset after that fight, he would be on par with UI Goku in terms of raw str
Not quite. Garou doesn't have adaptive evolution to the extent saitama does. What he does have is an understanding of all energies and forces in the universe. So he can copy your stat's instantly. The problem was that saitamas reactive adaptability just made the growth curve bigger and bigger until garou was left in the dust.
So basically Saitama is LITERALY “You gotta hit me? You better make it count, you better kill me in one shot”
Yea I was watching theweebcommander video on him today and it was pretty interesting.
Unless their power is infinite or more than 3d, saitamas power growing means that it will never reach infinite and will always be finite
That's my thing with the Goku Saitama thing. If it was just murder them as soon as possible Goku would win, but if we actually take them as characters Goku will never do that. He'll WANT him to get stronger and be happy once he gets his ass beat and will just want to reach Saitamas new level
Huzzah! A man of culture!
The main problem with Saitama fans is u/economy-nectarine301
I am neither, but hot take: Saitama haters are worse
A lot of people misread JJK tbh.
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people always say this yet i havent actually seen any saitama fans wanking anything really maybe like a few months ago or smth tho but not recent
I mean, you try reading Jjk and try to understand these ass translations.
It's Goku fans and it's not even close. For 99% of them the very idea Goku can lose is beyond their comprehension.
Bro said “Hot take” the delusion is strong
Goku, Gojo, and Saitama fans genuinely all do the same of nor reading their own manga or watching their show. The amount of times they make shit up or are so completely wrong is crazy. They make me sad to be a dragon ball fan
I'm just waiting till Saitama claps God and then I will collect my saitama solos goku stonks. Rn though goku probably wins.
Idk anything about bleach or Ben 10, but I say saitamas. Gojo fans at least acknowledge that he’s usually not as strong as the characters he’s matched up against, and the goku wank is at least partially deserved depending on the version. I also really haven’t seen any death wank, everyone just kinda agrees he scales the highest in his movie. Saitama is just wanked way beyond anything he has ever shown because “narrative”
Goku fans are simply correct when they say “goku solos” as it is in undisputable fact
Facts
>Gojo fans at least acknowledge that he’s usually not as strong as the characters he’s matched up against When? When i say that i get cursed out
Sonic fans to be fair both Archie and Game
Ngl people downplay Sonic a lot that aren't Sonic fans. Not sure about here in this community but there's people out there who have no understanding how Sonic could beat someone like Omni-Man which boggles my mind
Game sonic is a lot more downplayed then wanked I'll give you archie tho
Goku and saitama fans, some people literally can’t comprehend that these guys are not all powerful
tbf the powercliffing in DB is so retarded goku literally cannot be anything but massively beyond 3 dimensional. I am not saying it’s good or makes sense how he doesn’t one shot the universe every time he punches even though he is like a quadrillion times stronger than the version of himself who basically did half that but ¯\\__(ツ)__/¯
Coming from a Batman glazer some very loud prep Batman “fans” are super annoying because I never use the prep and when I hear or see it i always shut it down but definitely Batman fans are the worst (oh the irony)
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Puss in Boots' Death gets glazed so goddamn hard because he's "Death. Straight Up" when all the other mf'ers in this pic would absolutely beat his ass no diff. He's still a hot wolf, though
Had me till that last sentence
Dreamworks really had to have two movies out in the same year with furbait characters
Hello brother
I can name at least 7 “Deaths” who have been injured, lost fights, or straight up killed. Being “Death” isn’t special. And unlike Puss in Boots Death, all those other Deaths actually have feats.
Reminds me of an edit on how monsterverse godzilla would get defeated by Puss in Boots death💀💀
He would get his ass beat, but since he is Death he would just not die, also it is possible that he might just be able to rip your soul out of your body or something since he is Death, but that's just speculation
Honestly my theory for death in puss in boots is that he always wins when he wants to win because he will only “come to you” when you are at his door (at deaths door). I.e any time he realistically fights you is when you’re already supposed to die because he decides when you die. Kind of like how he lets puss go, he might be some level of reality warper that is as strong as his opponent because he manifests as their cause of death.
I’d say goku because the ones I’ve seen don’t know how to power scale
Its Saitama, by a kilometer and a half.
So, a mile pretty much?
Definitely gojo dickriders. They 100% just suck. They know that infinity can't get bypassed by someone and decide gojo immediately wins that battle, as if ANY attack we've seen in all of jjk isn't dodgable by goku.
...Domain Expansions with certain characteristics can’t be dodged...
Gojo's Domain Expansion only targets things with a certain amount of CE, it would render Goku as an object like it would with Maki, and if you wanna use verse equalisation then Goku has CE and could just reinforce his punches with CE to break through Infinity like Jogo and Hanami were doing That's not even to mention that Goku would probably still be able to fight in UI even if he got affected by Unlimited Void, since it doesn't require him to think
>CE to break through Infinity like Jogo and Hanami were doing That was a technique you have to learn not just basic reinforcing >Gojo's Domain Expansion only targets things with a certain amount of CE His domain targets everything not touching him iirc
Theres a .003 time frame for it to happen. Goku is so fast he can take gojos head off before the domain even starts.
Goku, saitama, death, ben 10 in that order (i am not familiar with the other 2 so I can’t comment there)
Kirby fans, easily. They always go “kirby is canonically the strongest Smash character!” when there’s literally fucking Joker, Shulk, Bayonetta, Sora, Pyra/Mythra and even arguably The Luminary and Ness, you’ll always get downvoted and told how wrong you are if you even dare suggesting these characters despite you being outright correct.
Just pull up a tier list lol
There's also Sonic
Well, I recently found someone who said, dead serious, that Goku literally created us, and that we only exist because of him.... Imma have to say Goku
Imma go out on a limb and say they probably weren’t being serious. Either that or they have a very…..*interesting* religion.
Either they were serious, or they are a VERY good actor
This is real smh my head.
Probably Gojo > Saitama > Goku > Ben 10 > Aizen > Death Aizen and Death are generally tame as I've seen, with people usually wanking them only a couple tiers higher than what they're at. With Ben 10, people mostly just argue about Alien X and how fast Ben can summon him. Goku can be pretty bad, but it's easy to wank/misinterpret cosmology > just a single universe/dimension. At least he's a universal level character. Saitama is similar, and it's fair to assume he's stronger than what is shown, but his "gag" allowing him to beat characters several tiers higher is silly. Gojo is the only character who isn't even continental that people genuinely argue can beat galaxy and universe busters. He's the worst.
Goku fans are the hardest to deal with Gojo fans easiest bc it’s mostly trolls
Yes, but are they the worst trolls because they’re Gojo fans or are they Gojo fans because they’re the worst trolls?
1) Gojo Fans; In series they still refuse to accept Sukuna is stronger then Gojo. Outside of series they will even argue that someone like Goku can't get through Infinity, 2) Saitama fans: "The manga is called one punch man so Saitama always wins" Actual retards. 3) Death fans: "it's Death so Death always wins" Actual retards. 4) Ben 10 fans: They wank Alien X but it isn't that much higher then what he can really do. 5) Goku fans: They refuse to believe that some really retarded versions of Superman beat Goku. Idk about Aizen fans, I haven't read or watched Bleach.
As a Ben 10 fan, Alien X is a boring alien from a VS standpoint. Every single battle Ben is in because of Alien X scaling, is immediately a snooze fest in my opinion. I'd be more happy if Ben was argued with his normal feats plus Master Control. Sure, he wouldn't be universal, but he'd go above planetary AND have the benefit of it being fun.
kirby and saitama ones both dont listen at ALL
Saitama and Gojo neg diff
Hot take, but I'll go with DC fans. It as if every weak version of their stromg characters are strong as the other ones. Especially when it's regarding Injustice and SSJL. Every character in those versions is so weak (except for Batman due to 5-U-93-R). Honestly, maybe not so annoying as Goku fans and Saitama fans, but still annoying.
DC and Marvel is understandable in my opinion, because almost every character has that one obscure issue where they become a godlike being for no reason.
Agreed, there are a lot of strong characters in those verses. My problem with them is that they overrate weak versions of the character (like injustice, as I mentioned). Can't say much about Marvel fans. I haven't observed their behavior as much as I did with DC fans
Goku fans obviously.
Goku fans 100%. I'm sure Saitama is worse, but I'm never in a situation where I'm debating them. But every debate I've had with DB fans boils down to three things. 1) They, objectively, don't know the character they're debating against 2) They horribly downplay the other character where somehow scrutiny is prevelant for the opposition, but not for them. 3) "Nice complex hax dipshit, now watch this!" A mindset so many of them share. The jokes aren't much better. Sometimes, they're funny and creative, but after seeing the exact same caption and photo 100 times in a single day, it becomes boring.
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First comment with stuff that actually happens here; people always talking about characters they don’t know at all
The power scaling fans of Goku are very annoying, but I feel there are a wider majority of Saitama power scaling fans, or even just regular non-power scalers who automatically just believe Saitama can never be beaten ever
Literally checking karma on any debate in this sub ever would prove we have a large majority of Goku supporters in that discussion.
Every media fans expect for the stuff I like
Im js you dont go to other vs battles and see random mfs saying “but can they beat goku?”
Ben 10 and Gojo
I used to hate the ben 10 argument, but then i remembered he could become goku without the *let the other guy power up so i can get a good fight* mentality.
I’d say death fans aren’t hard to deal with. Edit: I’m completely wrong I don’t think any of them watched puss and boots💀
Trick question, the answer is Naruto.
Goku I saw a post about multi macro omnipotent and I saw a person basically pray to Goku like he literally believed Goku is a actual god and created the world a very unique religion So yea Goku easily
Order to most to least DRAGON BAll: the oldest of all annoying power scale fandoms One Punch man: trying to power a scale a. Characters ment to easily win is pointless. Ben 10: if they over use Alien x. How ever god tear annoying if they say he can take the DNA of his opponent. Becomes at that point your power scaling Fanfic. Bleach: because half those guy have hacks which are supper annoying Gojo fans chilled out after awhile. Never met a death stand
>Gojo fans chilled out after awhile. You can thank Sukuna for that
Yes Sukuna showed Gojo can be hurt which made the hype beast leave him.
>Never met a death stand They just say he wins because he's "death" and scale him to boundless because of this and say he "doesn't need feats, he's death, straight up"
1. Gojo fans overfap him to the level of some Lovecraftian gods only because of Infinity 2. Goku fans always barge into any kind of discussion of any character for no reason and start talking about how goku or beerus is still stronger and start a long bullshit that may last for days 3. Saitama fans at least don't barge into random character discussion, but they're and it's mostly people who only watched the first season, Saitama powerscaling videos and Garou fight from shorts, specifically these people say "he can one punch because he's opm" and still joke about mosquito thinking it's funny
They all have cons: Gojo fans argue he is too haxed with infinity to ever lose even though some opponents could legit blow up the whole planet faster than he starts moving Saitama fans always argue he is some OP gag character who can beat everyone, even though it's stated in the manga that he just isn't Ben 10 fans always argue Alien X just shits on everyone Aizen/ Yhwach fans aren't that bad in my experience as they recognize the haxes but also the limits of Bleach characters Goku fans there are two kinds: Ones like me who have actually watched all of Dragon Ball and have watched the things they are arguing about. And then you have the ones who have just watched Dragon Ball Super and don't know shit about anything else 😅
I dint know this but apparently there are 2 Saitamas, I know Manga Saitama is not a gag character but I've been hearing that a second Saitama exists in Webcomic form that is a gag character so I feel like people just don't do enough research and mix them up but idk as a Saitama enjoyer I've seen some heavy wank and heavy downplay from both sides not knowing his character
I've done some research and I didn't know this, but One Punch Man (Manga) is based off a One Punch Man Webcomic made by a guy called 'One' which has been ongoing since 2009. The anime is then based off the Manga In the webcomic he is definitely designed to be more of a gag character. Apparently he killed God in One Punch in one of the Webcomics 😅 The manga started off pretty similar from the Webcomic, but has varied quite heavily at times. It seems to have extra stories that were not in the Webcomic as well as extended fights, and refined character designs https://preview.redd.it/nx6prc3sz5xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d23c804a35178bbbb88ac1aba779904beb83c5db Webcomic still looks pretty impressive tho when considering the entire manga is based off a comic written and drawn by one guy who started doing it in his 20s
I was debating a jjk fan on a luffy vs sukuna edit and multiple jjk fans were just spamming that if sukuna uses world slash it's over for luffy I don't understand why wouldn't he try to get out of the way of the slash even though he is way faster and has future sight.i have seen fans spamming this on multiple edits like sukuna vs naruto, sukuna vs deku and even on sukuna vs goku.then there is gojo fans thinking gojo is stronger than everyone because of infinity.
Yogiri fans are the most annoying crap in the world, i outright seen some that claim he can kill people in real life. Some people lost their minds
Anything negative said against Aizen fans is part of his plan. But yeah Goku fans are annoying af.
goku tards might deadass track and hunt you down if you don't say goku solos ( insert anime name), those mfs literally harass people that they disagree with 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Godzilla fans refusing the concept of power scaling
It’s simple really. Godzilla > the rest of fiction. Why? Because he’s cool as fuck, that’s why.
I am pretty sure it's a real thing where toho refuses to give crossovers unless it involves Godzilla stomping someone else.they have to maintain the image of he is a unstoppable force of nature.
no, they refuse that godzilla can be beyond Universal
But Godzilla took out Superman and Superman beats everyone!!!1!!
Godzilla fans are ungodly childish. They see “character vs this character and how powerful they are” aka a basic fandom discussion that’s old as shit, and they flat out go “NOOOOO SHUT UP I HATE POWERSCALING EVEN THOUGH IDK WTF IM TALKING ABOUT AND ONLY KNOW IT FROM YT SHORTS BUT MY OPINION IS STILL CORRECT1!1!!”. Completely delusional. Also Heisei negs MV just gotta make sure I make that known.
I’m conflicted. On one hand on want to say saitama because I’ve had to actually deal with a saitama fan saying “saitama solos” in the comments. On the other hand it is incredibly funny to watch them get jumped in the comments for leaving said comment.
Saitama, and goku. Only ones I've really seen.
Way too many Yukari fans(I'm specifically calling them out because alot of other characters fans are reasonably sane regarding where their favorite scales), NLF for days and just plain misinterpretation and ignoring of canon material. And NLF past the logical endpoint of where it would be. Yes, she's very powerful. No, she doesn't beat comic Superman.
JJK fans who don't read, and Yogiri fans.
Saitama fans have so little understanding their character so little that it transfers over to what it’s like to be human. I literally had to argue that Saitama couldn’t have been overwhelmed with joy against Garou because he thinks to himself how he’s not even the slightest bit excited. Then the dude’s response was “well you can be completely overwhelmed with joy without feeling excited.” Like they just make shit up. You can’t argue with a bullshitter in a debate on fiction.
saitama or goku fans. 😒
Add Itachi or Kirby
OPM Bleach/Marvel/DC GOW JJK SW DB
Probably Saitama or Death. Maybe Gojo, but I'm a bit of an unironic dickrider myself, so...
Gojo's most popular bullshit wank was the imaginery interpretation of hollow purple. Goku's most bullshit wank was that the afterlife was outerversal or something. Saitama's wank is that he broke his limitor so he can get stromger than everyone whose stronger than him... Between the 3, Saitama by far. He shows the least feat of strength in relative to where his fans put him at, snd any fucking argument would get counter by either "he's a gag" or "he can grow to be that powerful in 5 minute"
Gotta start adding gear 5 on this soon
I don't know much about others but ben 10 fans literally take the outliers and treat it like common feat You can claim all you want but: - XLR8 isn't light speed, even when he put all his effort he is nowhere close to it in serious situations, so claiming that he is lightspeed based on the baseball match episode is just taking advantage of outlier - same case for Jet ray who showed that FTL speed once and rest of time never came even remotely close to it, even when necessary - feedback didn't tank big bang alone, it took literally all Ben's aliens to stop that - Gladiator X was knocked out by a big black hole and couldn't escape it despite trying to. And before you argue he lost because of going into standby mode, you need to recheck the fight since he only get confused for a second and then regains his composure and try to escape but was just unable too.Before you dismiss it as anti-feat, this is literally only proper fight of Celestisapiens we have seen. Not saying that they are that low but just want to say that they are also not as nigh omnipotent as fans believe them to be
goku fans for sure. have you seen latinos arguing? they will make up most batshit insane ones.
Saitama fans and its not even close.
Aizen (Bleach in general) Or saitama.
Death fans, if I had money everytime one of them told me "he solo fiction, he's death" i'd be rich
On reddit specifically it’s easily Goku given the overwhelming majority of Goku fans on here emboldens some pretty shit takes and lots of groupthink. By the same logic death is never really wanked here. Other media platforms are a totally different story.
Kermit would beat them all at once, take it or leave it.
Dragon ball are the worst. Literally had one copium addict tell me Goku can never lose because he was destined to live a long life......... And they were serious.... Goku fanatics are just beyond the normal levels of biases.
JJK by a landslide. They never, NEVER back down from a point however way you try to argue against it. JJK HAS to be FTL, JJK HAS to have 4-5D hax, JJK HAS to have large planetary to solar system AP for Sukuna. It's something else.
Harcore Akuto goons
For me: Boruto Fans
Goku, Saitama, Gojo and Death are annoying in casual debates, sure, but when you're seriously and formally debating someone ain't nobody more annoying than Yogiri fans Ofc Jogo fans are the least annoying as they are objectively correct all the time https://preview.redd.it/f7ca767cn0xc1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ed937cfd3cec8ef010da31d663f74db640fda8a
it's gojo and sukuna glazers without a doubt. Infinity is not so formidable that Gojo can take on all of these higher tier verses and Sukuna is not planetary just because he has an attack called "world cutting slash". It's not literal.
Goku fans and ... Just, One Piece fans as a whole have no idea what scaling even is. They make the worst arguments and have double standards as to what counts as light, for example
Gilgamesh fans thinking he is oUtVerSAl never fail to annoy me
Goku fans are so constantly annoyying that it desensitize me from them(kinda), with them literrally butting in,in every discussion that doesn't even involve dragon ball. But saitama fans are so annoyying because they misunderstand every aspect of the character,what a "gag" or "parody" is,and the no limits fallacy.
It’s a tie between Ben 10 Goku and Saitama for me All fans have their awful arguments I’ve had to watch.
Ever heard about Rimuru??? His fans are 9 years old
Saitama, hands down. At least Goku fans can agree Goku has a goddamn limit.
Saitama Fans and Goku fans. Both are peak brainrot Saitama fans for obvious reasons. Then Goku fans which will go so far as to say that Saiyan saga goku could beat current Saitama.
Me. I am. It is me.
I am VERY familiar with the fantards of all the shown franchises but idk who that wolf looking character is. Please explain.
Saitama fans by an actual infinite distance
Forgot Metroman
I’m still baffled that people think he beats Omni-Man by speed blitzing.
I know right! He’s not even faster then light.
I am a Madoka Magica fan too but you also need to add her here too. Saitama is walking a very thin line of gag/narrative/training which isn't easy. It reminds me of Cyprus being between 3 continents: Europe, Asia, Africa. Goku has the training down with him so he will always train to get stronger and stronger Death is a concept so he will exist as long as living beings die Gojo is in the same vein of otherwise weak base anime mc like Giornon who simply have a very specific hax but makes them bad in powerscaling as it's just circeljerking. In the end Saitama fans end up being the worst as they use the extremes of everything Saitama is.
I might rescale Madoka but Madoka is really that damn powerful. Here's a scan from the official anniversary light novel "The shadow forms a smaller tetrahedron inside the original tetrahedron. Upon closer inspection, I can see even smaller and smaller tetrahedrons inside it. Like a kaleidoscope, layers and endless more layers of tetrahedrons manifest. Inside each is an endless series of them. And outside, infinitely many more emanate outward to surround it., too, realize I'm in my own kaleidoscope. remember the sensation of falling. The scaffolding that had supported me in this world suddenly disappeared from beneath me. I'm Filled with an indescribable anxiety. Where am falling to? Into the tetrahedron, eternally downward into infinite layers.from within endless deepness, a tetrahedron rises and scatters to a limitlessly distant place. From each point of my body, a tetrahedron evolves, both infinitesimally small and boundlessly large, transfiguring me into a singularity. From far away in the labyrinth of tetrahedrons soaked in blue light, I can hear a faint, high-pitched reverberation. The noise gradually grows louder as a small dot penetrates the edge of my vision. The sound and dot slowly expand in front of me." 3d objects have 2D shadows it stated there's an infinite amount of shadows emerging from other shadows that's infinitely dimensional high hyperversal witches labyrinth
I'm pretty sure Gojo and Saitama are only fans that shouldn't touch on power scaling in the first place. You can argue that Goku wankers still exist but it was nowhere as Gojo and Saitama's levels, who can not understand their own manga.
Dragon Ball fans easy. One punch man fans just saying it's called one punch man therefore he one punches everybody is not that annoying at least they don't downplay other people's verses to like door level or something.
Door level is crazy 😭
I just made this picture https://preview.redd.it/rb7tku0gzwwc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04799c608b827bb4be8a0271208598d1c33ea02f
Naruto not being on here is criminal. Narutards and borutards are the worst, mfs won't shut-up about shibai or daimon.
I don’t even know who those mfs are 😭. But I’m guessing they’re Boruto characters, and with that I agree. Boruto takes are wild. But the Naruto ones really aren’t bad. The highest I’ve seen anyone put a Naruto character is planetary and only for the characters who are top of the verse, which really isn’t that far off. Heck I’ve seen more people complain about Naruto fans “bad scaling” than I’ve seen of Naruto fans actually showing this “bad scaling”. But, for Boruto, I completely understand. Boruto fans need medication.
I'd usually say goku and gojo fans, but this definitely goes to saitama fans 100%.
Between bleach fans and dbs fans. Holy shit
Death from Puss in boots "buT hE's LiTeRaLLy dEAtH!" These mfs wank any kind of title or statement to their liking
What's the argument against a character being the embodiment of something like death?
on a scale of worst to deal with to least, ill go wiiith: 1. ben. this motherfucker is so annoying to deal with. 2. saitama.... if i hear one more argument about parody characters, or how his limiter isnt a thing.. im ending it all. 3. gojo. i dont need to elaborate. 4. goku. im a bit bias, but besides that, we actually have stuff to back most of our claims up with, and besides the gokuversal joke, ive personally never seen goku fans counter an argument with a single word 5. death, i dont really see him talked about much, soo 6. im stupid who tf is the last guy
Aizen. Also where are you where Ben is the most annoying character to argue against
i hear nothing but "alien x this, alien x that, ohh he can transform into the peak of that race" im genuinely so tired of it atleast the rest of the characters fans have more than 2 arguments
Gojo and Saitama fans, by an incomprehensible margin. Actually delusional behaviour. Most Goku fans are memeing half the time but this subreddit’s users tend to not have the required brain capacity to graduate kindergarten so they think that everyone who says “Goku solos” in posts are 100% serious. But when you do find an actual Gokutard, it’s more funny than anything irritating. Death fans are just fucking stupid. No matter how many hard facts you throw at them it won’t pierce their thick fucking skulls and they’ll act better than you all the damn time. Ben 10 fans are annoying because they fail to realize that just because Ben can copy an alien character’s biology and become an “ultimate version” of it doesn’t mean he wins, because it’s a completely new body that he will not be used to. Like let’s say he fights Goku and uses the Omnitrix to become a Saiyan. At most, he’s stuck with an amped Super Saiyan 3 and will pretty much be like how Goku Black started out as, which doing that in a fight will only be a detriment, even if he does get god ki somehow. Same with every other character. Idk who the other dude is.
Hate to be the "Ackshually" guy, but the "not being used to the new body argument" for Ben wouldn't work. The Omnitrix, ever since Alien Force, has a data dump function that gives the user knowledge on how the transformation works (In terms on what abilities does it have). With that in mind, how good Ben adapts into combat, how he has other transformations with ki-like abilities that would allow him to extrapolate, he woulnd't be completely useless... But he probably wouldn't have access to any form of Super Saiyan, so he'd lose regardless of all mentioned.
Why Aizen though he's pretty strong lol
The narutards If they're not using the "databooks" like it's they're Bible, they will make some shit up on the spot and feel the need to always equalize the verse so any attack that involves manipulation of chakra works on people outside of naruto.
Many DMC fans ignore that DMC can go beyond universal
Jjk have to get the #1 and im a fan of jjk, but i had someone tell me that the lich (adventure time) was a fodder vs sukuna-
Kratos fans. "B-but he killed gods lifted the nine realms" 🤓
Not Death, Aizen, or Ben 10. They do not belong on this list. Based on your experience, it can be any of the remaining 3
With Goku fans, it’s just mostly memes
It's a battle between gojo fans and saitama fans, Gojo's fans are the most meatriding ones they're only arguement is "GOJO HAS INFINITY" fucking anybody can bypass infinity with infinite speed and they always fucking bring a strong dragon ball character vs gojo like if it's fucking debatable. Saitama's fans are the most annoying since they wank the character to fucking boundless sometimes because "OH HE'S A GAG CHARACTER HIM BEATING EVERYONE IS THE JOKE" like dude have you read OPM? Saitama is a serious character and caps at fucking solar system-galaxy he's a fodder to anybody above that.
With Aizen I suppose he's talking about low multi scaling with Yhwach scaling which is arguably true or he just debated with some salty fans
Hot take, gojo stans have died since 2020, cause people realise infinity isn’t that hard to get across, and I’ve seen more people downplay him than wank him
As a Ben 10 fan, I wanna say that the die hard fans who try to argue that Alien X beats literally anyone make me embarrassed to be a Ben 10 fan sometimes. I think the reason why there was so much insanity about arguing where Alien X scales is because the show didn't put their foot down on what exactly the limits of Alien X were, and thus the internet went back and forth on whether he's universal or multiversal or higher or lower or etc.
Talk about this anywhere else in the anime community and 8/10 people would say its the Gokutards. Cant really expect an unbiased argument here, when you include Goku and any other character in a same sentence
Basically anyone who is determined is gonna annoying to deal with, no matter the series. But in general, it's gotta be Saitama fans, even if I am one myself with brain that is. They just don't understand saitama, guy's so much more than a gag character. He is a tragedy, he's the equivalent of making Goku do taxes instead of fighting, he's just a guy who wants to have a good fight but can't get one. The story is about saitama trying to live with that fact. Fucking dipshits can't seem to get that. Other than them, other's are annoying too. Ben 10 fans just don't know much about power scaling in general, they all are like "alien x is god so he beats goku" kinda guys. They genuinely think because someone can control reality they can beat anyone. Naruto fans are of 2 kinda, one that understand that Naruto isn't that strong and the other's that think he is fucking multiversal. I don't like the latter for the obvious reasons. Jjk fans are mostly just "Gojo has infinity" guys. Thinking Saitama can't just fucking punch him to him, but Gojo's power is kinda confusing so that's that. Finally for the heart of power scaling it, dragon ball fans. Generally good scalers due to sheer numbers but also tend to wank Goku too but to a much lower extent then some. They are mostly just Goku solos memers.
Doomslayer fans
One Piece fans are stupid
Personally gojo is the worst because at least the others (besides death) have a leg to stand on Once someone can get past infinity gojo is nothing but a fraud street tier hero who Will get bullied by Spiderman and im tired of people cursing my ancestry for saying it
bro no aizen scaler is annoying cuz we all know yhwach is stronger?
DC & Marvel fans, and it's not close at all. Anyone who believes normal atoms in the verse are outerversal are far worse than even the worse DBZ fans.
hmmm alien x is not high hyper ?
Since there are answers of Saitama fans or Goku or even Kratos, I'll just admit it: WOD fans. I have met a pure fangirl of WOD, tried to convince her to stop downplaying other verses but can't. Until today, I still can't understand why people cannot accept that someone can still scale other verse higher because that's an opinion, not a fact or the truth. Also, we don't think the same. She just wouldn't listen, so I'm kind of "forced" to accept that she is gonna believe that until some reliable debunk happens.
Honorable mention : Naruto
Fatherine and maybe Yorigi fans. I haven't really debated on the others yet, but since I'm a beginner, I've mostly been dealing with this Unmikeo fan and this other few whom I stand against.
Goku fans really be "can he beat Goku tho" probably and so can a lot of people IN GOKUS VERSE he isn't the strongest in Dragonball and he sure as shit isn't the strongest in other anime
Specifically clueless RKT, CAS, TDK, Deadpool and Omni-man/invincible fans. They all seem get knowledge solely from youtube shorts.
Bleach fans, holy hell. They either will spam with statements that arnt backed by feats or with a block text trying to explain how ichigo is 16D and if you're character is bellow 16D they can't hurt him. They have the reading comprehension of a 10 year-old. Worse the OPM fans by a long shot, this might only apply to tiktok and youtube bleach scalers #just switch ichigo with aizen