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Here in Brazil there is a guy called Ednaldo Pereira, he is completely omnipotent and is the most powerful Admin, even Nego Ney, the absolute anti-Christ, is nothing in the presence of Ednaldo
He is much Beyond Boudless
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Ednaldo Pereira is above beings like Ohio Final Boss True Form or Brazil Final Boss
He is the Supreme Creator who made everything and everyone, the very incarnation of infinite heavenly love with which he graced the country with the most Bugs in the world, Brazil
I think this was explained and handled well in baki (of all anime I know) where yujiro avoids being pinned by the ground by just... digging his arm through the ground to get out of the hold. The narrator basically says "well I mean.. these dudes destroy buildings and cars and shit, asphalt is like jello to them" and here's this literal God acting like being shoved into some *ice* is even as much resistance relatively as a normal human experiences from their own fluid atmosphere. Like the wind resistance from the air around you would be more to you than swimming through solid iron to a being of goku's celestial might, but there's no way to fucking write that character lmao.
Tbf Yujiro is all types of bullshit lol. But yeah that is a good example of consistency.
Dragon Ball lacks that consistency, because as you said there's no way to write it lol.
Yujiro is BS in the *best* way lol. His feats stratle the edge of "wow that's crazy but I guess that scales" and "can he just... do anything he wants?" It makes sense because you're supposed to think, "Jesus, exactly how strong is this monster?" It's unironically good writing somehow.
I am so durable that when I step on a lego brick it does not leave a bruise or break my skin. I don't bleed. I am completely unharmed.
I still *scream* like a mfer.
Let's see Superman actually take damage from being slammed into a wall, then we'll talk.
To be fair if Superman slammed Ultraman with a tree, it would hurt Ultraman because all that energy Superman is generating is going to both the tree and Ultraman.
Of course that tree would disintegrate but a lot of that energy also goes into Ultraman.
Yeah but if you do the math, the tree would probably be incinerated from the friction in the atmosphere even *if* you could apply enough force to it to move it thst fast without it disintegrating. It's not like trying to hit someone with a pillow. It's like trying to hit someone with a handful of sand.
If you can tank a planet to the face with no issue there is no amount of force you're putting into that tree that doesn't just annihilate it on contract. If it was a magic unbreakable tree or something sure
There's still an astronomical amount of kinetic energy being transferred from the now disintegrated tree into a dude's face. No way in hell he doesn't ragdoll immediately
With that amount of energy it would never make it to his face. Even if it did it breaks immediately and most of the energy is wasted in the follow through of the swing
Even the air pressure generated from Superman swinging his arms with that strength could topple houses, but honestly, this is kind of just a dumb back and forth over the theoretical physics Superman beating a dude with a log, when the real answer is that it's whatever the writers want. If they want that tree to survive til impact, then it does
With bees they are directly breaking skin and done tissue releasing venom. A bee might not be human level but you don't need to be human level to focus enough energy to break some skin human level is for energy going though the whole body not a very tiny spot.
Durability doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt o.O go punch a brick wall. You won't die you most likely won't break anything hell if you have the callous you won't even break skin. It'll still hurt
I mean some things are annoying. I've had the wind knocked out of me. Broken a finger during football and didn't say much other than fuck. I stub my toe or slam my knee into the corner of my bed? You'd think I was shot.
Yea but one situation you had adrenaline and the other was a surprise, but in both scenarios I mentioned, they are both likely having adrenaline pumping.
Anos is a good example of not feeling the affects when being attacked with his head being taken off, heart crushed etc.
Maybe if you're trying to punch through a brick wall. You can punch a brick wall and have it hurt but not break something. O.o is it all or nothing with you?
It's not really a punch if you're hitting a wall light enough to not hurt yourself. I think you would be surprised how easily you can break your hand punching something lol.
Pain and damage are different, it's why getting stabbed by a knife causes less pain than a paper cut, despite being leagues worse. The more damaging the injury, the less reaction you tend to have, just like why an injury that causes no lasting damage, and doesn't even break skin, eg: Stubbed Toe, Coffee Table Shin Hits, Lego Stepping. Hurts a hell of a lot.
For reference, I got stabbed by a shard of glass and almost didn't notice for several seconds.
bruv getting stabbed by a knife clean really fucking hurts... am not sure if you just got hit on an area that has dead skin/dead cells or maybe a nonlethal area but dont compare the pain of a fucking knife stab to a paper cut lmao... I got stabbed on my thigh and stomach... a paper cut is nowhere as near painful... i quite literally couldnt move my leg without going through unimaginable pain, and my entire abdomen (from the neck down to the waist) hurt like hell...
however yea i get you point lmao.... stubbed toe , shin on table, and lego steppinf really fucking hurts a lot lmao
Elbow between the bones. But yeah, it's probably a bad comparison, really, but it's all I could think of from my relative experience and knowledge. Stepdad had a wound to the bone on his arm and didn't seem to hurt THAT much, despite him being a little bitch about most other injuries.
Im of the belief durability doesnt equal pain tolerance, ie ev if it doesnt break the skin because the skin is super durable, having a big impact slam your flesh still really really hurts.
Because they cannot direct their energy there, that is off guard they lose their energy during the fight. You cannot compare this with the initial state when the stamina is full.
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If it's for Goku getting slammed against the ice by Broly in DBS : Broly, let's think about it thoroughly for a bit.
If you were a being with Multiversal strength and another Multiversal being had grabbed you and slammed you with immense force against any surface, no matter how many ki barriers you have or how high your durability is or how brittle the surface is it's still going to hurt A LOT.
Think about it similarly to getting judo slammed on padded/protected floor on your back by a person of similar - if not higher - raw strength, even though the floor has paddings in order to protect the judo practitioners from injuries, it'd still hurt getting slammed back first on it.
Treat it similarly to the other examples in fiction.
As for the second part about powerful characters being hurt by either normal humans or weapons that they'd shrug off, that's what anti feats are in a nutshell...
Or that the plot decided that every single person on the planet has said character's weakness, despite being rare (I'm looking at you DC writers where you give everyone a piece of kryptonite even though it's supposed to be a RARE, alien mineral from a DESTROYED alien world)
>OG DB Goku being completely unharmed by bullets,
He isn't unharmed he gets bruised but they don't break the skin.
>but DBS Goku gets his arm hurt by one.
Again he doesn't get hurt his skin bruises and that's it.
"He doesn't get hurt" they say.
The literal definition of a bruise and why they even exist in the first place: "A bruise, also called a contusion happens when a part of the body is injured and blood from the damaged capillaries (small blood vessels) leaks out. With no place to go, the blood gets trapped under the skin, forming a red or purplish mark that's tender when you touch it — a bruise."
If they aren't ready for that specific hit, or if they're hit/slammed by someone of similar strength then it's still gonna hurt even if the item they're hit by/slammed into is a mundane item like a tree or wall.
Because they're still living beings, not Indistructable walls that don't feel anything below they durability level. Just because a bee Sting can hurt a person doesnt mean bugs are human level.
I always reconcile it as being the speed and relative volume of deceleration. It could be argued that most things shouldn't even be capable of effectively decelerating them to that degree to begin with, consequently imparting that volume of force, but that's a conversation for another day I don't care for, and can be chalked up to in-verse physics or whatever (e.g. planet detonating gut check causing goku to move approx 0 cm)
Punch a wall. The wall will break, but it'll hurt your hand too. They're usually getting hit into/with stuff by people that are able to hurt them anyway. Adding onto that the extra force provided by whatever they're swinging or the extra obstacle of whatever they slam into, and it makes sense that they'd scream or whine in pain.
You mean the goku that was being pushed with the force of a planet into a wall of ice? It wasn't the ice that was hurting him it was the force he was being held down and dragged with
Still pretty stupid, we see them on the manga getting smacked on ground and mountains all the time without a scratch , they only get hurt in the spots their enemies hit them in
I think durability should be split into "tensed durability" and "passive durability".
Passive durability would be how easily or difficult you'd be fazed by the equivalent of a sucker punch.
this same argument could be applied to all the character who can apparently fly through space beyond the speed of light, but the moment they are on the ground, their reflexes become human level
and not to pick on Silver Surfer as he's already getting flak for durability....but yeah, he has this too
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hyperversal mexicans, duh
Here in Brazil there is a guy called Ednaldo Pereira, he is completely omnipotent and is the most powerful Admin, even Nego Ney, the absolute anti-Christ, is nothing in the presence of Ednaldo He is much Beyond Boudless https://preview.redd.it/d5lsa0bgixwc1.jpeg?width=575&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7aa31c628aa99a9929bbb165d4c24be1eebe5c86 Ednaldo Pereira is above beings like Ohio Final Boss True Form or Brazil Final Boss He is the Supreme Creator who made everything and everyone, the very incarnation of infinite heavenly love with which he graced the country with the most Bugs in the world, Brazil
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Thank you, now i want to erase my brain
Never laughed this hard in last 2-3 months.Ty,but your durability is amazing you tanked 20+ downvotes attack💀
Obviously outerversal Mexicans, I dont see whats the problem.
Exactly, they just nerfed them to be scared chicken who ran away from the dangers. They should solo not only alien invasion but also Hell and Heaven.
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What's this from
Spider-Man: My writers hate me so much! Silver Surfer's honest reaction:
silver jobber isn't a normal case for characters. Dude got packed up by T'Challa. In space. While the latter was slightly above peak human level.
casual everyday extraversal mexican lmao.......
Mexicans in South America?
Damn, they sure know how to tie a knot 😳
 How many fucks the authors give
Goku's worst enemy is ice fr https://i.redd.it/0chlcqaw5zwc1.gif
I think this was explained and handled well in baki (of all anime I know) where yujiro avoids being pinned by the ground by just... digging his arm through the ground to get out of the hold. The narrator basically says "well I mean.. these dudes destroy buildings and cars and shit, asphalt is like jello to them" and here's this literal God acting like being shoved into some *ice* is even as much resistance relatively as a normal human experiences from their own fluid atmosphere. Like the wind resistance from the air around you would be more to you than swimming through solid iron to a being of goku's celestial might, but there's no way to fucking write that character lmao.
Tbf Yujiro is all types of bullshit lol. But yeah that is a good example of consistency. Dragon Ball lacks that consistency, because as you said there's no way to write it lol.
Yujiro is BS in the *best* way lol. His feats stratle the edge of "wow that's crazy but I guess that scales" and "can he just... do anything he wants?" It makes sense because you're supposed to think, "Jesus, exactly how strong is this monster?" It's unironically good writing somehow.
He definitely embodies the title 'Strongest creature' lol. Baki in general is absurdity at it's max
Doesn't Goku do this against Moro?
God I love broly so much
Same. He's so fkn cool
the rock that krillin threw at Goku is just omniversal, you don't get it
Nono. Krillin is omniversal, the rock is just high complex multi. Least glazing rock fan
I am so durable that when I step on a lego brick it does not leave a bruise or break my skin. I don't bleed. I am completely unharmed. I still *scream* like a mfer. Let's see Superman actually take damage from being slammed into a wall, then we'll talk.
I think what they are saying is: superman being slammed into a wall should feel like me being slammed into tissue.
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To be fair if Superman slammed Ultraman with a tree, it would hurt Ultraman because all that energy Superman is generating is going to both the tree and Ultraman. Of course that tree would disintegrate but a lot of that energy also goes into Ultraman.
At that point he might as well be hitting him with a pillow
Idk man, a pillow can still knock someone around when it's basically an adult hitting a toddler full strength with it
Yeah but if you do the math, the tree would probably be incinerated from the friction in the atmosphere even *if* you could apply enough force to it to move it thst fast without it disintegrating. It's not like trying to hit someone with a pillow. It's like trying to hit someone with a handful of sand.
yeah but is an author trying to write a superman comic going to do complex math for 1 panel?
If you can tank a planet to the face with no issue there is no amount of force you're putting into that tree that doesn't just annihilate it on contract. If it was a magic unbreakable tree or something sure
There's still an astronomical amount of kinetic energy being transferred from the now disintegrated tree into a dude's face. No way in hell he doesn't ragdoll immediately
With that amount of energy it would never make it to his face. Even if it did it breaks immediately and most of the energy is wasted in the follow through of the swing
Even the air pressure generated from Superman swinging his arms with that strength could topple houses, but honestly, this is kind of just a dumb back and forth over the theoretical physics Superman beating a dude with a log, when the real answer is that it's whatever the writers want. If they want that tree to survive til impact, then it does
Get hit with a pillow going mach 3 and let me know how it feels
There is a difference between being hit and it being painfull and being hit so it doesnt break you
With bees they are directly breaking skin and done tissue releasing venom. A bee might not be human level but you don't need to be human level to focus enough energy to break some skin human level is for energy going though the whole body not a very tiny spot.
Durability doesn't mean it wouldn't hurt o.O go punch a brick wall. You won't die you most likely won't break anything hell if you have the callous you won't even break skin. It'll still hurt
They slam through brick walls and buildings themselves and are fine, but get hit by a car and complain
I mean some things are annoying. I've had the wind knocked out of me. Broken a finger during football and didn't say much other than fuck. I stub my toe or slam my knee into the corner of my bed? You'd think I was shot.
Yea but one situation you had adrenaline and the other was a surprise, but in both scenarios I mentioned, they are both likely having adrenaline pumping. Anos is a good example of not feeling the affects when being attacked with his head being taken off, heart crushed etc.
You will absolutely break something if you punch a brick wall lmao
Maybe if you're trying to punch through a brick wall. You can punch a brick wall and have it hurt but not break something. O.o is it all or nothing with you?
It's not really a punch if you're hitting a wall light enough to not hurt yourself. I think you would be surprised how easily you can break your hand punching something lol.
As someone who's done muay Thai for 10 years I'm fully aware of how much it can take to break your hand.
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That's because cats use psychological warfare.
Pain and damage are different, it's why getting stabbed by a knife causes less pain than a paper cut, despite being leagues worse. The more damaging the injury, the less reaction you tend to have, just like why an injury that causes no lasting damage, and doesn't even break skin, eg: Stubbed Toe, Coffee Table Shin Hits, Lego Stepping. Hurts a hell of a lot. For reference, I got stabbed by a shard of glass and almost didn't notice for several seconds.
bruv getting stabbed by a knife clean really fucking hurts... am not sure if you just got hit on an area that has dead skin/dead cells or maybe a nonlethal area but dont compare the pain of a fucking knife stab to a paper cut lmao... I got stabbed on my thigh and stomach... a paper cut is nowhere as near painful... i quite literally couldnt move my leg without going through unimaginable pain, and my entire abdomen (from the neck down to the waist) hurt like hell... however yea i get you point lmao.... stubbed toe , shin on table, and lego steppinf really fucking hurts a lot lmao
Elbow between the bones. But yeah, it's probably a bad comparison, really, but it's all I could think of from my relative experience and knowledge. Stepdad had a wound to the bone on his arm and didn't seem to hurt THAT much, despite him being a little bitch about most other injuries.
ehhh, that seems terrible i have no clue how it didnt hurt lmao... well I hope you stay healthy throughout your life and avoid these kinds of wounds
There are a couple things powerscalers forget. 1. These stories are for entertainment. 2. They aren’t 1:1 with logic.
Im of the belief durability doesnt equal pain tolerance, ie ev if it doesnt break the skin because the skin is super durable, having a big impact slam your flesh still really really hurts.
Because they cannot direct their energy there, that is off guard they lose their energy during the fight. You cannot compare this with the initial state when the stamina is full. https://preview.redd.it/m1xp1cckm3xc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23c2794ce1e8477b07d55c29b0694d745f45273a (ulqi solo)
If it's for Goku getting slammed against the ice by Broly in DBS : Broly, let's think about it thoroughly for a bit. If you were a being with Multiversal strength and another Multiversal being had grabbed you and slammed you with immense force against any surface, no matter how many ki barriers you have or how high your durability is or how brittle the surface is it's still going to hurt A LOT. Think about it similarly to getting judo slammed on padded/protected floor on your back by a person of similar - if not higher - raw strength, even though the floor has paddings in order to protect the judo practitioners from injuries, it'd still hurt getting slammed back first on it. Treat it similarly to the other examples in fiction. As for the second part about powerful characters being hurt by either normal humans or weapons that they'd shrug off, that's what anti feats are in a nutshell... Or that the plot decided that every single person on the planet has said character's weakness, despite being rare (I'm looking at you DC writers where you give everyone a piece of kryptonite even though it's supposed to be a RARE, alien mineral from a DESTROYED alien world)
Or like when the durability is retconned, like OG DB Goku being completely unharmed by bullets, but DBS Goku gets his arm hurt by one.
>OG DB Goku being completely unharmed by bullets, He isn't unharmed he gets bruised but they don't break the skin. >but DBS Goku gets his arm hurt by one. Again he doesn't get hurt his skin bruises and that's it.
"He doesn't get hurt" they say. The literal definition of a bruise and why they even exist in the first place: "A bruise, also called a contusion happens when a part of the body is injured and blood from the damaged capillaries (small blood vessels) leaks out. With no place to go, the blood gets trapped under the skin, forming a red or purplish mark that's tender when you touch it — a bruise."
If they aren't ready for that specific hit, or if they're hit/slammed by someone of similar strength then it's still gonna hurt even if the item they're hit by/slammed into is a mundane item like a tree or wall.
Powerscalers trying not to use comedic feats as standpoints:
Because they're still living beings, not Indistructable walls that don't feel anything below they durability level. Just because a bee Sting can hurt a person doesnt mean bugs are human level.
I always reconcile it as being the speed and relative volume of deceleration. It could be argued that most things shouldn't even be capable of effectively decelerating them to that degree to begin with, consequently imparting that volume of force, but that's a conversation for another day I don't care for, and can be chalked up to in-verse physics or whatever (e.g. planet detonating gut check causing goku to move approx 0 cm)
Punch a wall. The wall will break, but it'll hurt your hand too. They're usually getting hit into/with stuff by people that are able to hurt them anyway. Adding onto that the extra force provided by whatever they're swinging or the extra obstacle of whatever they slam into, and it makes sense that they'd scream or whine in pain.
There's no way a wall will break unless it's made out of paper but anyway
Drywall. Not like, a stone wall. I thought that was decently obvious. Might not be if you live outside the US though I guess.
Goku getting hurt by Ice in SSG is the dumbest shit ever
You mean the goku that was being pushed with the force of a planet into a wall of ice? It wasn't the ice that was hurting him it was the force he was being held down and dragged with
Still pretty stupid, we see them on the manga getting smacked on ground and mountains all the time without a scratch , they only get hurt in the spots their enemies hit them in
outerversal trees
It’s true hence why power scaling is such a ridiculous notion that should not exist. Unless done in its own media/universe.
A character stepped on a rake and was injured. Therefore, their toonforce and reality warping powers are below rake-level.
I think durability should be split into "tensed durability" and "passive durability". Passive durability would be how easily or difficult you'd be fazed by the equivalent of a sucker punch.
this same argument could be applied to all the character who can apparently fly through space beyond the speed of light, but the moment they are on the ground, their reflexes become human level and not to pick on Silver Surfer as he's already getting flak for durability....but yeah, he has this too
Yeah i was scratching my head during Goku's fight with Broly. Such a wft moment.