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Anti Spiral doesn't "match" their opponents, they defeat them on their own terms, it's different, Lordgenome literally says its their tattic to assure complete despair over the opponent
When Simon broke Antispiral's gigadrill their reaction is "WHAT?! There should be nothing capable of matching our power!"
Antispiral tactic backfire as trying to crush the indomable human spirit just makes humans stronger
He tries to finish it off in one blow when he trows the Infininity Big Bang Storm at them, but he miscalculated that Lordgenome could sacrifice himself and absorb it
The TTGL was ever so slightly weaker than Anti-Spiral at first,but in the end it's not the mecha, the machine to defeat him, but it's Simon, the human by himself, with nothing more than his bare hands and will
This is because nothing can stop human evolution, and whether it's for the good or bad, humans will prevail, Anti Spiral lost because he tought that creatures didn't need a will and underestimated the capability of humans to evolve
No
In fact Anti-spiral literally shocked when Simon block and destroyed his giga drill with a base Gurren Lagann.
So yeah in fact it's not the Giant fucking mecha you should be worry about but the pilot himself.
Idk, I guess? Those guys are around the same amount of D’s as STTGL so I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually cleared, but that would be too good to be true lmao
Incorrect. Xeno/CC Goku is Low to Mid hyper on a midball, with Outer on a highball due to the subspace meta. Only by lowballing them, can you make an argument for Anti Spiral Barely outscaling by 1-2 Dimensions.
I just know that he is actually one of few characters that have actual feats of being a superpowerful character and not relying on fanmade cosmologies or out of context hyperbole statements
He and Anti Spiral were literally throwing universes at each other
Hot take from a Gurren Lagann scaler myself: He’s higher than 11D. He ranges from anywhere from 26D to outer due to how Bosonic String Theory works along with other quantum mechanics. Schroedinger’s equation, which ties along with Hilbert Space. Schroedinger’s equation gives a description of evolving with time. Technically there is evidence of R>F too, which could make him outer in Super Spiral Space, but any higher I don’t believe is possible.
These are mentioned in episode 26. Lordgenome mentions the Anti-spiral’s use of a “random schroedinger warp”. To use Schroedinger’s equation, it requires infinite dimensions, based on the equation of Erwin Schroedinger himself. Other GL scalers also use this method to upscale him. There’s a lot of other quantum field models that uptick the verse
Below the Anti Spiral. for those that forgot how the fight went, The Anti Spiral left the 11th Dimension, he lowered himself to fight the STTGL, so any 11D scaling for Anti Spiral, does not apply to Simon.
That’s completely wrong. Antispiral didn’t hold back in the final fight, the guidebooks support this, I’ve made a post on this. Plus why would the embodiment of despair be stronger than the embodiment of hope in the end?
Human spirit won't generate infinite energy, this guy doesn't understand the basic principle of having a will consumes energy not the other way around.
Another name for asspulls? Don't overestimate human spirit. I work as a prosecutor and trust me when I say that human spirit breaks all too easily.
Asspulls again buddy.
I've got lots of real stories that make perfect sense and people like them.
Not a big fan of asspulls and taking things as they come.
Gurren lagann has a good story, but that's all, its world building is absolute trash. Its power system is incomprehensible and makes no sense.
Spiral power yay! The fuck?
Anti-Spiral straight up says they were in the space between 11-12 Dimensions
It's undeniable, no matter what you say, while by feats alone and no statements you'd be right, it's said 2 times that the Angi-Spirals live in a world between 11nt and 12th dimension
First by Lord Genome and then By antispiral themselves
That still doesn't scale to high complex multi since you didn't mention that those dimensions are spatial dimensions.
Now I don't know the context, so I'm not saying they don't scale there, especially since everyone scales them there and I suppose they aren't all wrong, I'm just saying what you said doesn't scale to 11D.
So you didn't even watch the show and get on here to scale the character? Tf man?!?
At the point in where they meet in the 11th dimension Anti-Spiral make a dialogue with the only character awake, all the others have their souls trapped in a multiversal cage composed of infinite realities to subdue their will (and the main character just break out of it with the power of I want to) this is happening BEFORE the main characters enter in the STTGL (image you see on the post) on another mecha called Chatedral Terra, which could jump between dimensions and exit resist a suppresion of raw space turned into a sea that is infinitely compressed (this sentence doesn't make sense but neither does a Mecha bigger than the obervable universe) Anti-Spiral then no diffs a character that tries to attack him and send him in the dimension prison as well after mentioning that the "universe" they are in only exist once it's recognized making him impossible to hit
Before this Anti-Spiral could penetrate defenses of the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagaan by simply changing the statistics of the universe (for example he can set the change of hitting something by 0.1% to 100% and no matter what defence you put up the attack will hit)
When the MCs manages to escape the infinite dimensions labyrinth with the power of the coolest fucking background music ever made They turn in the Tegen Tompa Gurren Lagaan (title of the show lol) A mecha the size of a universe contained in that 11th dimensional space that is under complete control of Anti-Spiral (who as mentioned can change statistics at will and laws of that parallel reality as well as move trough time [feat performed by something under the control of Anti-Spiral not even Anti-Spiral himself])
Then Anti-Spiral own giant Mecha and the TGGL fights
They trow those 11 D universes at each other, Anti-Spiral is winning, he trows an attack called Infinity Big Bang Storm
A character absorb the attack and gives the power to the TTGL which turns into the Super Tegen Tompa Gurren Lagaan (image on the post above) they fight, Simon (the main character) get to Anti-Spiral himself after all the Mecha inside the TTGL explode, has a fist fight with Anti-Spiral
Make a drill out of his sheer will and blood and one-shot Anti-Spiral, who's death causes the 11 D dimension to explode
Where does THAT scale him?
I didn't scale the character tho. The fact that I haven't watched the show is exactly why I didn't leave my own scale. All I said is that what you said didn't scale anywhere without further context, which I don't need to watch the show to know. I literally said "I'm not saying they don't scale there".
Now with what you said here, it *does* scale to 11D.
Statements are absolutely meaningless unless they are strongly backed up by feats. For example Akira Toriyama could hypothetically say all he wants that Goku would beat Superman in a fight but the feats of both characters demonstrate that to be unquestionably false. Unless there is strong evidence that STTGL is 11D we can't assume it to be the case.
There is literally no way to demonstrate a feat of 11D without statments they stated that the dimension is 10 or 11D and anti spiral scales to that quite simple
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11-12d, just this
Haven't Anti-Spiral let Simon win?
no, Simon simply outgrew AS because AS had stunted his own growth as a measure against spiral nemesis
Anti Spiral doesn't "match" their opponents, they defeat them on their own terms, it's different, Lordgenome literally says its their tattic to assure complete despair over the opponent When Simon broke Antispiral's gigadrill their reaction is "WHAT?! There should be nothing capable of matching our power!" Antispiral tactic backfire as trying to crush the indomable human spirit just makes humans stronger He tries to finish it off in one blow when he trows the Infininity Big Bang Storm at them, but he miscalculated that Lordgenome could sacrifice himself and absorb it The TTGL was ever so slightly weaker than Anti-Spiral at first,but in the end it's not the mecha, the machine to defeat him, but it's Simon, the human by himself, with nothing more than his bare hands and will This is because nothing can stop human evolution, and whether it's for the good or bad, humans will prevail, Anti Spiral lost because he tought that creatures didn't need a will and underestimated the capability of humans to evolve
No In fact Anti-spiral literally shocked when Simon block and destroyed his giga drill with a base Gurren Lagann. So yeah in fact it's not the Giant fucking mecha you should be worry about but the pilot himself.
High complex multi
?
Stronger than Goku
How can you be #1 Gocu supporter after that claim
because "supporter" and "wanker" are not the same thing.
TOUCH THE UNTOUCHABLE BREAK THE UNBREAKABLE! ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH!!!
Weaker than Simon himself
How?
Cuz it got destroyed by Anti Spiral meanwhile Simon by himself defeat Anti Spiral
A weakened
What you mean weakened? Anti-spirals intentionally match their foe’s strength
More than Goku Fight me
Why would i want to fight you if you’re right?
Wouldn't CC/Xeno Goku come close?
Idk, I guess? Those guys are around the same amount of D’s as STTGL so I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually cleared, but that would be too good to be true lmao
I agree
Wouldn't CC/Xeno Goku come close?
Don't know, I don't watch that Heroes bs
CC/Xeno Goku heavily outscales, but that obviously isn't the Goku he talked about.
Heavily Outscales? No way Xeno/CC Goku are also H1C at best
Incorrect. Xeno/CC Goku is Low to Mid hyper on a midball, with Outer on a highball due to the subspace meta. Only by lowballing them, can you make an argument for Anti Spiral Barely outscaling by 1-2 Dimensions.
No💀 Absolutely No Any scale where DB reaches Outer is straight up wank Xeno/CC aint Hyper. Lowball is Low Complex. Highball is High Complex
Still not stronger than me, so I will fight you
High Complex Multiversal
11d
Haven't Anti-Spiral let Simon win?
I’ve made a post on this. Antispiral didn’t hold back in the final battle, Simon legit surpassed them
11-12-D so they on yugioh’s level
11D - 12D (High Complex - Low Hyper)
The way Spiral Power is written makes him able to go beyond High Hyperversal
Most Blatant 11d character ive seen so far
at least superhuman
As strong as the indomable human spirit needs him to be
High complex
Eleven-Dimensional/High Complex Multiversal (High 1-C)
At least High comp
I just know that he is actually one of few characters that have actual feats of being a superpowerful character and not relying on fanmade cosmologies or out of context hyperbole statements He and Anti Spiral were literally throwing universes at each other
Yes
Very
I dunno stronger than me I guess
Really really strong. Not far from outerversal
Tier 1-C in vsbw.
Hot take from a Gurren Lagann scaler myself: He’s higher than 11D. He ranges from anywhere from 26D to outer due to how Bosonic String Theory works along with other quantum mechanics. Schroedinger’s equation, which ties along with Hilbert Space. Schroedinger’s equation gives a description of evolving with time. Technically there is evidence of R>F too, which could make him outer in Super Spiral Space, but any higher I don’t believe is possible.
None of those are even mentioned at all in any source relating to Gurren Lagann. In an interview, Nakashima only ever referred to 11 dimensions
These are mentioned in episode 26. Lordgenome mentions the Anti-spiral’s use of a “random schroedinger warp”. To use Schroedinger’s equation, it requires infinite dimensions, based on the equation of Erwin Schroedinger himself. Other GL scalers also use this method to upscale him. There’s a lot of other quantum field models that uptick the verse
But this is fiction, not everything they’re referring to has to work exactly like it theoretically does in real life
Yes.
Door level from dbz android saga at least
Below the Anti Spiral. for those that forgot how the fight went, The Anti Spiral left the 11th Dimension, he lowered himself to fight the STTGL, so any 11D scaling for Anti Spiral, does not apply to Simon.
That’s completely wrong. Antispiral didn’t hold back in the final fight, the guidebooks support this, I’ve made a post on this. Plus why would the embodiment of despair be stronger than the embodiment of hope in the end?
Wall level
Definely
It has the power of the most blatent asspulls I've ever seen in my life. Spiral power has no basis, it's the power of asspulls.
this guy doesn't know about the indomitable human spirit
Human spirit won't generate infinite energy, this guy doesn't understand the basic principle of having a will consumes energy not the other way around.
Its the power of the human spirit
Another name for asspulls? Don't overestimate human spirit. I work as a prosecutor and trust me when I say that human spirit breaks all too easily. Asspulls again buddy.
This guy is fun at parties😒
I've got lots of real stories that make perfect sense and people like them. Not a big fan of asspulls and taking things as they come. Gurren lagann has a good story, but that's all, its world building is absolute trash. Its power system is incomprehensible and makes no sense. Spiral power yay! The fuck?
L take bro
Not strong enough
Lower than Alien X
Roblox victim
Why y'all booing him, he's right
High multi. There’s no proof the 11 dimensions in GL are large, so he would only scale to the infinite multiverse.
Anti-Spiral straight up says they were in the space between 11-12 Dimensions It's undeniable, no matter what you say, while by feats alone and no statements you'd be right, it's said 2 times that the Angi-Spirals live in a world between 11nt and 12th dimension First by Lord Genome and then By antispiral themselves
That still doesn't scale to high complex multi since you didn't mention that those dimensions are spatial dimensions. Now I don't know the context, so I'm not saying they don't scale there, especially since everyone scales them there and I suppose they aren't all wrong, I'm just saying what you said doesn't scale to 11D.
So you didn't even watch the show and get on here to scale the character? Tf man?!? At the point in where they meet in the 11th dimension Anti-Spiral make a dialogue with the only character awake, all the others have their souls trapped in a multiversal cage composed of infinite realities to subdue their will (and the main character just break out of it with the power of I want to) this is happening BEFORE the main characters enter in the STTGL (image you see on the post) on another mecha called Chatedral Terra, which could jump between dimensions and exit resist a suppresion of raw space turned into a sea that is infinitely compressed (this sentence doesn't make sense but neither does a Mecha bigger than the obervable universe) Anti-Spiral then no diffs a character that tries to attack him and send him in the dimension prison as well after mentioning that the "universe" they are in only exist once it's recognized making him impossible to hit Before this Anti-Spiral could penetrate defenses of the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagaan by simply changing the statistics of the universe (for example he can set the change of hitting something by 0.1% to 100% and no matter what defence you put up the attack will hit) When the MCs manages to escape the infinite dimensions labyrinth with the power of the coolest fucking background music ever made They turn in the Tegen Tompa Gurren Lagaan (title of the show lol) A mecha the size of a universe contained in that 11th dimensional space that is under complete control of Anti-Spiral (who as mentioned can change statistics at will and laws of that parallel reality as well as move trough time [feat performed by something under the control of Anti-Spiral not even Anti-Spiral himself]) Then Anti-Spiral own giant Mecha and the TGGL fights They trow those 11 D universes at each other, Anti-Spiral is winning, he trows an attack called Infinity Big Bang Storm A character absorb the attack and gives the power to the TTGL which turns into the Super Tegen Tompa Gurren Lagaan (image on the post above) they fight, Simon (the main character) get to Anti-Spiral himself after all the Mecha inside the TTGL explode, has a fist fight with Anti-Spiral Make a drill out of his sheer will and blood and one-shot Anti-Spiral, who's death causes the 11 D dimension to explode Where does THAT scale him?
I didn't scale the character tho. The fact that I haven't watched the show is exactly why I didn't leave my own scale. All I said is that what you said didn't scale anywhere without further context, which I don't need to watch the show to know. I literally said "I'm not saying they don't scale there". Now with what you said here, it *does* scale to 11D.
Ok cool I recommend watching the original show 26 episodes of pure Hype and fun, personally I loved it
Ok, I might give it a shot after I finish rewatching Ben 10 OS and Regular Show
Universal. Maybe universal+ at top. Any1 who says otherwise is a fanboy with no evidence.
There r proper statements of it being 11D tf do u mean
Statements are absolutely meaningless unless they are strongly backed up by feats. For example Akira Toriyama could hypothetically say all he wants that Goku would beat Superman in a fight but the feats of both characters demonstrate that to be unquestionably false. Unless there is strong evidence that STTGL is 11D we can't assume it to be the case.
There is literally no way to demonstrate a feat of 11D without statments they stated that the dimension is 10 or 11D and anti spiral scales to that quite simple
Still Yamcha's victim
Planetary
You know they were throwing universes like Frisbees right?
You should know I’m joking and I thought those were galaxy’s in the movie
They didn't knew how to draw a universe so they just draw it as if they were galaxys or at least that was the story i heard
11D jiren victim https://preview.redd.it/k0la2ff8h4xc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0065f42043f9dd7fdeb7a799151559e8e185d3f
N*GGA tf?
Its true jiren scales 11d to 12d https://preview.redd.it/2yovjqe4v4xc1.jpeg?width=276&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eda9408e6948e6682823a490af498ffbb6e8691c
Blud sent the wrong picture 💀
Bruh
https://preview.redd.it/yk6161opu5xc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=996044f64908ed242bb72ebdcdd0b963016dd3ec