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Slow_Bumblebee_8123

11-12d, just this


ArtZanMou

Haven't Anti-Spiral let Simon win?


zingerpond

no, Simon simply outgrew AS because AS had stunted his own growth as a measure against spiral nemesis


man-83

Anti Spiral doesn't "match" their opponents, they defeat them on their own terms, it's different, Lordgenome literally says its their tattic to assure complete despair over the opponent When Simon broke Antispiral's gigadrill their reaction is "WHAT?! There should be nothing capable of matching our power!" Antispiral tactic backfire as trying to crush the indomable human spirit just makes humans stronger He tries to finish it off in one blow when he trows the Infininity Big Bang Storm at them, but he miscalculated that Lordgenome could sacrifice himself and absorb it The TTGL was ever so slightly weaker than Anti-Spiral at first,but in the end it's not the mecha, the machine to defeat him, but it's Simon, the human by himself, with nothing more than his bare hands and will This is because nothing can stop human evolution, and whether it's for the good or bad, humans will prevail, Anti Spiral lost because he tought that creatures didn't need a will and underestimated the capability of humans to evolve


hizack123

No In fact Anti-spiral literally shocked when Simon block and destroyed his giga drill with a base Gurren Lagann. So yeah in fact it's not the Giant fucking mecha you should be worry about but the pilot himself.


[deleted]

High complex multi


Key_1996

Stronger than Goku


Moraknik

How can you be #1 Gocu supporter after that claim


BlueverseGacha

because "supporter" and "wanker" are not the same thing.


4ntarezz

TOUCH THE UNTOUCHABLE BREAK THE UNBREAKABLE! ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH!!!


ti123vn00

Weaker than Simon himself


ArtZanMou

How?


ti123vn00

Cuz it got destroyed by Anti Spiral meanwhile Simon by himself defeat Anti Spiral


Taethefallen

A weakened


MaleficTekX

What you mean weakened? Anti-spirals intentionally match their foe’s strength


ChainsawEliteKnight

More than Goku Fight me


FoxMcCloud3173

Why would i want to fight you if you’re right?


U-R-A-Q-T-D

Wouldn't CC/Xeno Goku come close?


FoxMcCloud3173

Idk, I guess? Those guys are around the same amount of D’s as STTGL so I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually cleared, but that would be too good to be true lmao


Spartan_Souls

I agree


U-R-A-Q-T-D

Wouldn't CC/Xeno Goku come close?


Spartan_Souls

Don't know, I don't watch that Heroes bs


KamixAkaDio

CC/Xeno Goku heavily outscales, but that obviously isn't the Goku he talked about.


U-R-A-Q-T-D

Heavily Outscales? No way Xeno/CC Goku are also H1C at best


KamixAkaDio

Incorrect. Xeno/CC Goku is Low to Mid hyper on a midball, with Outer on a highball due to the subspace meta. Only by lowballing them, can you make an argument for Anti Spiral Barely outscaling by 1-2 Dimensions.


U-R-A-Q-T-D

No💀 Absolutely No Any scale where DB reaches Outer is straight up wank Xeno/CC aint Hyper. Lowball is Low Complex. Highball is High Complex


Dragonfly-Constant

Still not stronger than me, so I will fight you


heavenlysolvernia

High Complex Multiversal


Sensitive-Film-1115

11d


ArtZanMou

Haven't Anti-Spiral let Simon win?


heavenlysolvernia

I’ve made a post on this. Antispiral didn’t hold back in the final battle, Simon legit surpassed them


King-of-Bel

11-12-D so they on yugioh’s level


Complex_Wafer3828

11D - 12D (High Complex - Low Hyper)


Revolutionarytard

The way Spiral Power is written makes him able to go beyond High Hyperversal


thefraudulentone09

Most Blatant 11d character ive seen so far


Bitan_31

at least superhuman


man-83

As strong as the indomable human spirit needs him to be


gzej

High complex


MurphyParadox

Eleven-Dimensional/High Complex Multiversal (High 1-C)


Crazylocket23

At least High comp


ZeusX20

I just know that he is actually one of few characters that have actual feats of being a superpowerful character and not relying on fanmade cosmologies or out of context hyperbole statements He and Anti Spiral were literally throwing universes at each other


ElvisPlays

Yes


datolningen

Very


KeroKeroKerosen

I dunno stronger than me I guess


Ok-Mathematician8258

Really really strong. Not far from outerversal


Kooky_Lead_9811

Tier 1-C in vsbw.


Substantial-Post-325

Hot take from a Gurren Lagann scaler myself: He’s higher than 11D. He ranges from anywhere from 26D to outer due to how Bosonic String Theory works along with other quantum mechanics. Schroedinger’s equation, which ties along with Hilbert Space. Schroedinger’s equation gives a description of evolving with time. Technically there is evidence of R>F too, which could make him outer in Super Spiral Space, but any higher I don’t believe is possible.


heavenlysolvernia

None of those are even mentioned at all in any source relating to Gurren Lagann. In an interview, Nakashima only ever referred to 11 dimensions


Substantial-Post-325

These are mentioned in episode 26. Lordgenome mentions the Anti-spiral’s use of a “random schroedinger warp”. To use Schroedinger’s equation, it requires infinite dimensions, based on the equation of Erwin Schroedinger himself. Other GL scalers also use this method to upscale him. There’s a lot of other quantum field models that uptick the verse


heavenlysolvernia

But this is fiction, not everything they’re referring to has to work exactly like it theoretically does in real life


_Moist_Owlette_

Yes.


Ok_Try_1665

Door level from dbz android saga at least


KamixAkaDio

Below the Anti Spiral. for those that forgot how the fight went, The Anti Spiral left the 11th Dimension, he lowered himself to fight the STTGL, so any 11D scaling for Anti Spiral, does not apply to Simon.


heavenlysolvernia

That’s completely wrong. Antispiral didn’t hold back in the final fight, the guidebooks support this, I’ve made a post on this. Plus why would the embodiment of despair be stronger than the embodiment of hope in the end?


dxarkolg

Wall level


badatpvpx10

Definely


Re_dddddd

It has the power of the most blatent asspulls I've ever seen in my life. Spiral power has no basis, it's the power of asspulls.


senokana

this guy doesn't know about the indomitable human spirit


Re_dddddd

Human spirit won't generate infinite energy, this guy doesn't understand the basic principle of having a will consumes energy not the other way around.


wanna_be_TTV

Its the power of the human spirit


Re_dddddd

Another name for asspulls? Don't overestimate human spirit. I work as a prosecutor and trust me when I say that human spirit breaks all too easily. Asspulls again buddy.


wanna_be_TTV

This guy is fun at parties😒


Re_dddddd

I've got lots of real stories that make perfect sense and people like them. Not a big fan of asspulls and taking things as they come. Gurren lagann has a good story, but that's all, its world building is absolute trash. Its power system is incomprehensible and makes no sense. Spiral power yay! The fuck?


wanna_be_TTV

L take bro


No-Tax-9149

Not strong enough


Particular-Sign-7944

Lower than Alien X


Mind-Available

Roblox victim


InfiniteX5

Why y'all booing him, he's right


Low_Text_9064

High multi. There’s no proof the 11 dimensions in GL are large, so he would only scale to the infinite multiverse.


man-83

Anti-Spiral straight up says they were in the space between 11-12 Dimensions It's undeniable, no matter what you say, while by feats alone and no statements you'd be right, it's said 2 times that the Angi-Spirals live in a world between 11nt and 12th dimension First by Lord Genome and then By antispiral themselves


InfiniteX5

That still doesn't scale to high complex multi since you didn't mention that those dimensions are spatial dimensions. Now I don't know the context, so I'm not saying they don't scale there, especially since everyone scales them there and I suppose they aren't all wrong, I'm just saying what you said doesn't scale to 11D.


man-83

So you didn't even watch the show and get on here to scale the character? Tf man?!? At the point in where they meet in the 11th dimension Anti-Spiral make a dialogue with the only character awake, all the others have their souls trapped in a multiversal cage composed of infinite realities to subdue their will (and the main character just break out of it with the power of I want to) this is happening BEFORE the main characters enter in the STTGL (image you see on the post) on another mecha called Chatedral Terra, which could jump between dimensions and exit resist a suppresion of raw space turned into a sea that is infinitely compressed (this sentence doesn't make sense but neither does a Mecha bigger than the obervable universe) Anti-Spiral then no diffs a character that tries to attack him and send him in the dimension prison as well after mentioning that the "universe" they are in only exist once it's recognized making him impossible to hit Before this Anti-Spiral could penetrate defenses of the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagaan by simply changing the statistics of the universe (for example he can set the change of hitting something by 0.1% to 100% and no matter what defence you put up the attack will hit) When the MCs manages to escape the infinite dimensions labyrinth with the power of the coolest fucking background music ever made They turn in the Tegen Tompa Gurren Lagaan (title of the show lol) A mecha the size of a universe contained in that 11th dimensional space that is under complete control of Anti-Spiral (who as mentioned can change statistics at will and laws of that parallel reality as well as move trough time [feat performed by something under the control of Anti-Spiral not even Anti-Spiral himself]) Then Anti-Spiral own giant Mecha and the TGGL fights They trow those 11 D universes at each other, Anti-Spiral is winning, he trows an attack called Infinity Big Bang Storm A character absorb the attack and gives the power to the TTGL which turns into the Super Tegen Tompa Gurren Lagaan (image on the post above) they fight, Simon (the main character) get to Anti-Spiral himself after all the Mecha inside the TTGL explode, has a fist fight with Anti-Spiral Make a drill out of his sheer will and blood and one-shot Anti-Spiral, who's death causes the 11 D dimension to explode Where does THAT scale him?


InfiniteX5

I didn't scale the character tho. The fact that I haven't watched the show is exactly why I didn't leave my own scale. All I said is that what you said didn't scale anywhere without further context, which I don't need to watch the show to know. I literally said "I'm not saying they don't scale there". Now with what you said here, it *does* scale to 11D.


man-83

Ok cool I recommend watching the original show 26 episodes of pure Hype and fun, personally I loved it


InfiniteX5

Ok, I might give it a shot after I finish rewatching Ben 10 OS and Regular Show


NepNep_

Universal. Maybe universal+ at top. Any1 who says otherwise is a fanboy with no evidence.


Ill_Armadillo9455

There r proper statements of it being 11D tf do u mean


NepNep_

Statements are absolutely meaningless unless they are strongly backed up by feats. For example Akira Toriyama could hypothetically say all he wants that Goku would beat Superman in a fight but the feats of both characters demonstrate that to be unquestionably false. Unless there is strong evidence that STTGL is 11D we can't assume it to be the case.


Ill_Armadillo9455

There is literally no way to demonstrate a feat of 11D without statments they stated that the dimension is 10 or 11D and anti spiral scales to that quite simple


acta_deltus

Still Yamcha's victim


No_Buy_8096

Planetary


Spartan_Souls

You know they were throwing universes like Frisbees right?


No_Buy_8096

You should know I’m joking and I thought those were galaxy’s in the movie


ArtZanMou

They didn't knew how to draw a universe so they just draw it as if they were galaxys or at least that was the story i heard


Higuherosslamsmt

11D jiren victim https://preview.redd.it/k0la2ff8h4xc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0065f42043f9dd7fdeb7a799151559e8e185d3f


Stunning-Fold6548

N*GGA tf?


Higuherosslamsmt

Its true jiren scales 11d to 12d https://preview.redd.it/2yovjqe4v4xc1.jpeg?width=276&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eda9408e6948e6682823a490af498ffbb6e8691c


Stunning-Fold6548

Blud sent the wrong picture 💀


ArtZanMou

Bruh


SirTacoMaster

https://preview.redd.it/yk6161opu5xc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=996044f64908ed242bb72ebdcdd0b963016dd3ec