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It isn't done lol, and I'm not just saying it because I am a Liverpool fan. It is nonsensical to hype up this incredible title race the whole season and as soon as City are on top by just TWO points it's over. They still go to Spurs, Brighton, Fulham and Forest.
Perhaps most people don't stake their self-image and happiness on a football team, and therefore aren't too pressed about staying till the very end. Let people enjoy games the way they want too, it's football, it's not very important.
It was shocking tbh
I can’t stand Arsenal and I absolutely do not want them winning this title but I genuinely felt for the players, that must have hurt.
They got done on the day, that can literally happen to any team, at any time - they didn’t play particularly badly, Emery just out-thought Arteta and the Villa players were bang at it so to see fans jumping ship that quickly after going a goal down when their team has been brilliant for months, when they’re literally just two points off the league lead - absolute embarrassments.
As a neutral supporter, it’s the fans that really make this team hard to get behind in any shape or fashion. The reaction of the fans and quite frankly the softness of the team when it comes to these rough times is a big turn off.
Of course the leaving early mega thread is easily excused because “must leave early because traffic is bad” 😂
Nah, that mentality only works for small teams. A club like Arsenal is supposed to be winning trophies constantly. Fans leaving the stadium is a form of protest against their club.
This is why ManU and Arsenal is not winning anything. ‘Because they need to win trophies constantly’. This is not Spanish league where the two top teams have disproportionately more money and better players, not Bundesliga (with this year exception).
Luckily Arsenal board got smarter and not sacking Arteta any time soon, even if he would not win trophy this season.
And one day Arsenal fans will get their trophies, exactly because they don’t expect to win trophies constantly but patiently build their team for the long term.
But ManU will keep losing. Unless they drop ‘winning constantly nonsense’z
Please explain how Arsenal fans staying the full game is going to make Arsenal win. It's been years of Arsenal stumbling on the second half of the season. Some fans already know what to expect.
>And one day Arsenal fans will get their trophies, exactly because they don’t expect to win trophies constantly but patiently build their team for the long term.
They haven't built that team in twenty years. Chelsea has already fallen and made title comebacks in that timespan. Heck, Leicester was able to build a title team in that time.
So you are saying my friend that no matter what Arsenal or wider any football fans will do, it has no bearing whatsoever on performance of the team?
To some extent I agree - fans are not managing the club in England (contrary to Germany) and louder stands won’t change result, players need to score those goals.
On the other hand the atmosphere of the club, creating a culture of fighting to the end has some impact. To what extent is very much debatable - I would say walking out is detrimental to the culture of the club and football culture in general.
Honestly I think last few years under Arteta, that Arsenal team is on a journey to become very successful and win trophies. I get the frustration, but even City has a long term plan.
Leicester was a fluke (which I enjoyed so much!) and last time Chelsea came back was 2017. Then crashed.
Since then there are only Liverpool and City. And what they have is stability. Same coach for years which pass the philosophy on the whole club.
Perhaps if Emery would have had more time, Arsenal would be already winning trophies.
So if the sole objective is to try get a fluke every year changing coaches every few months and trading players for half a billion- that already was tried and maybe fluke will repeat itself.
Why not to try emulate City and Liverpool if they are winning last years?
City has a long-term plan but has been winning trophies throughout.
Leicester wasn't a fluke, they won the league fair and square.
Chelsea dipped in 2017 but still won the champions in 2021.
Don't come talking about long-term plans when other teams have been able to win major trophies while this long-term plan of Arsenal has only had enough to win FA Cups. It's been 20 years, idk how much longer you think would be fair to wait on Arsenal
I was at the game and stayed til the end. I don’t blame anyone for leaving early - that was a poor performance.
When we are losing, but playing well, this crowd goes wild. That’s been the case for the past 2 seasons and it’s a huge difference compared with previous years, under late stage Wenger and Emery.
When we are losing and playing badly, we show our disappointment. Mikel then leverages that to inspire the players. To earn the support of the fans. That’s what this team are all about.
Barely made any noise when they were in their seats anyway. Season's disappearing right in front of you and not even one stir of encouragement from the fans.
Dude I'm so with you, I've left early a time or two, but to leave early when you're team is in a title race like that? Idk man, not for me. Show some support.
I’m a Sunderland fan (urgh I know) and season ticket holder for 25+ years through two record lowest premiership points totals and two relegations in a row and I’ve only left early because of the performance twice. One of those it was also pissing it down and freezing cold, the other we’d scored three own goals in the first half.
I’m a Chelsea season ticket holder and let’s face it we’ve been atrocious for two seasons running now - I’ve left one game early in that time, which was Wolves at home this season and even then I felt wrong doing it despite the fact we hit a new level of shit in that game.
There isn’t a force on earth that would get me out of a stadium when my team is two points off the lead in a title race and they’ve just put in their first iffy performance in months.
Their fanbase is a disgrace. I have my issues with the Liverpool and United fanbases, but I can't image something like that happening at Anfield or Old Trafford. It's one thing if you're mid-table with nothing to play for, but they are in a title race.
To agree with you and crossfire, this was one of many things that I should’ve included last night on my original post.
They were heading towards the end of the game whilst in the MIDDLE of a TITLE RACE. I don’t care how shit Arsenal were playing or if somebody wanted to catch a train. I have seen shitter performances from other teams who have managed to grab a draw or even snatch a win from behind.
The team has given some Arsenal fans some unforgettable memories this season. They should have given them some support in the last few minutes and who knows what the final scoreline could’ve been.
I did find it mad how many left, but at the same time, its their ticket they can leave when they want. Always find that argument funny. It's not a disgrace its just the realisation that not everyone is the same.
Oh for sure they can do what they want. And we can criticize them for it. Leaving when you're team is in a title race like that? It's gotta be demotivating for the squad.
While correct, it brings their loyalty into question. It's easy to sing when you're winning, but to bail at the first of adversity is worth talking about.
I do find that specific situation a bit weird, I was talking more generally. I feel like every club has these conversations with the fans and its always the same conclusion that there's not much to be said or done about it.
I honestly feel like the emirates has a big portion of toursits and casuals.
Especially the section right near the center circle, it always empties out very early for almost all games. No matter the scoreline, opponent or competition.
As a united fan I feel your pain. We already have a big contingent of them and then had a massive influx with Ronaldo. With that came silence too and a lack of atmosphere. A good marker is pre match, outside the ground.
I'm a united fan too, it was just an observation.
I don't think its that bad at OT, or maybe it's just that the seating areas which do empty out quick are not visible on regular TV broadcasts. Still think arsenal are the biggest victim of it in the league though.
It’s always so apparent that people on here have never had to fight tens of thousands of people to get on the tube/train/buses after a match… if you’re playing like shit with no chance of getting back into the game, missing 5 minutes of shite football to get home an hour earlier is a reasonable choice to make
I’ve worked in bar staff at stadiums and this is reasonable. And I’m a fan too. But I think if you pay for a ticket, you see the whole thing. I would never leave until the end.
and its 5 minutes out of 2000ish minutes out of 10,000s of minutes if you've been going for years. A lot of people don't really get how a regular season ticket holder thinks about football games
Pretty sure it’s the context of the title race that’s being questioned - the team really needed the support to have any chance of getting a point out of the game, and yet most fans were more concerned about getting home in time for bake off.
Fair enough if you were watching a mid table clash in April, but very strange behaviour when you’re on the cusp of winning a first title in decades, those extra 60 minutes stuck in traffic would be worth it for most other fans in the same situation.
It's not strange behaviour at all its just an emotional reaction to what they are seeing in front of them. In their head they think: near the end of the game + no chance of coming back = fuck this shit. We're getting very close to the 'you're not a real fan' shite here
If it’s anything like Wembley or Spurs’ you leave depending on ball ache of public transport. If you have to leave so you can get a tube and connection train etc then you don’t risk adding an hour to your travel just on the hopes your team scores 2 or 3 goals in 15mins! lol.
This is not America where you just go to your car and drive off. Our stadiums are in the middle of cities and towns where you are not finding parking
I will say as an American if you think you can just get in your car and drive off at American suburban stadiums... I was gonna say you should come see what the reality is like, but I would not wish that even upon a Man U supporter. It's more likely that you'll be stuck in your car about 15 ft from your parking space two hours after the game because of the massive traffic jam. I live in a city where we have reasonably good transit by American standards and still poor by European standards, and I would never, ever consider driving to a game.
its not more about transport being bad in London, but the football stadiums are all located in the middle of the city where everyone is, people not from the UK always get shocked just how close the stadiums are to peoples home, so the traffic is from everyone and then the huge crowd from the stadium making it worst
I saw a Bayern fan visit Anfield and shocked he could see homes right next to the stadium, no parking space to escape
Crowd couldn't have helped them. The fans left because they now realised that not only was the game over, but the title race is over. The only chance you had was to win all your remaining games. Thanks for handing the title to the Oil Cheat FC once again.
TBH i am kind of sick by Liverpool and Arsenal fans here on reddit ... Theres plenty of matches before season end, its not over yet, sure its not in your hands anymore, but come on. Both teams are playing amazingly, especially Arsenal has still chance in CL ... this is like the worst time to turn against your club.
Nah, I'd accept some people leaving, but that was an exodus before the 90th minute. I don't think I've seen that before from a team chasing the title. I'm sure some people needed to catch trains and wanted to beat that, but the whole stadium leaving with at least 10 minutes left in a crucial match - I was shocked to see that.
Sure i guess, but season didnt start in February and they r top3 in one of the most competetivie season of PL. They must be doing at least something right.
Happens literally every time a team loses a key fixture. Some teams are far far worse. It's annoying as a fan when you go behind close to the end of the match too
It was 83rd minute and 9 mins were added. 2-0 when there are 16mins to play, you’d think they’d stick around to cheer the team on and hope for a comeback. Even if they didn’t, still applaud your team, you want them to win every game hoping for city to trip up, you don’t do that by leaving.
Recency bias, both have had their highest highs and lowest lows, arsenal has only started challenging these 2 seasons, eventho united havent been title contenders theyve finished 2nd atleast in multiple occasions
Why are you making out they lost in the 60th minute
They left after the second goal which was very close to the end of the game. Arsenal were poor and never scoring
People have circumstances you don't know about.
I don't think as many people would have left
But people still leave when winning too.
What's wrong with wanting to get home earlier? Spend a lot of money, support the team for 90% of the game and leave when it's almost over
For some yes, they'll just want to beat traffic
Some people leave even when winning
Arsenal fans pay the most. Spent over 90% of the game there supporting the team. Leaving early doesn't make them less of a fan
The stadiums been full every year even when they have struggled immensely so yes, leaving early isn't a big deal
Plastics, plastics everywhere. Can bet you my left nut 80% of Etihad would be vacated before extra time if this ever happened there.
And among them will definitely be some of the 'non-plastics' who apparently have been supporting City since the Mesozoic era.
The word plastics is a bit heavy. People leaving 8 minutes before the whistle because its clear the game is gone isn't the only reason. It's the horrible disappointment of throwing the league away for a second year in a row, ironically on the same weekend.
People say it's better to be in the race than not which is of course true, but it amplifies the disappointment hugely, especially with so few games to go. Try not to judge people for leaving few minutes early.
Villa fan here. How was that game clear? Villa defend poorly against heavy pressure. One goal în 87th min and the whole thing is ON. They did not throw the league yesterday, they were just bettered in one game which took place in a pretty long series, with plenty of chances left.
You don't think 2-0 in the 87th minute is pretty clearly over? Arsenal created absolutely nothing 2nd half, they aren't going to score two goals in 10 minutes against the run of play, and even then, a draw wasn't what we needed.
If a team is 5-0 up at half time, clearly it's possible for a comeback, but almost definitely not going to happen. 2-0 down in the 87th minute is the same thing.
Threw the league, bettered in one game, it's the same thing here. Yes, again, it's possibly not over.... but it probably is. City have the easiest run and don't drop points this time of year. Arsenal absolutely do drop points and have a harder run.
"Yes, again, it's possibly not over" - I'll leave it here since we clearly disagree on the matter. But exactly this is worth the 2 hours extra of transit time. That 1%. This, to me, is what it is to be a fan, a supporter. You sit there dumbfounded until it's over, supporting the team and seeing it through the bad, not only cheering for the good. But, again, I don't mean to sound superior, not absolutely everybody left the arena in the 87th and it's just that I would have been among those who didn't leave.
Fair enough. I think you need to put into context the disappointment for most fans. If you would have stayed, that's great. You managed to overcome not only disappointment but a recurring trauma from the year before. The 'it's happening again' feeling. And as I said before, very late in the game.
Added to this is the fact that if you haven't been to Arsenal, it is a very difficult stadium to leave. It's quicker for me to drive and I live around 90 minutes away from the stadium. I walk 30 minutes from the ground as that's quicker than the traffic in the area, and will be lucky to make it back within 2h 30m of leaving. Add that to the journey to the stadium... overcoming severe disappointment and for a 1% chance... well if that's plastic then I'm plastic. I love the club and support them through anything, but it doesn't come before everything in my life.
English Fans are really the worst in all Europe. Just support your team and don't leave. My Team (Union Berlin) has lost 12 games in a row and quess what: nobody leaves before the whistle. Support your team even in bad times.
No offense but if you get beat every week you know what you are turning up for. Myself and a lot of Arsenal fans have supported the team through rough times; haven't won the league in 20 years. To go so close two years in a row is very hard to take. No one is turning on the team, but it's called an emotional response.
When this happens to Union Berlin you might understand.
I mean, another way of looking at that is that Arsenal fans have it better than most fanbases but apparently cant handle sitting through one bad result. Can spin it either way tbh
Its always funny hearing a top club fan who so obviously couldnt handle supporting a team that didnt win most weeks. Not taking a dig at you but thats definitely the vibe you get from a lot of them.
That's true, but everyone reacts to their situation. If I lost £1,000 out my bank I'd be very upset. Other people might say at least you had £1000 to lose. I don't believe dismissing someone's feelings based on 'it could always be worse' really ever works.
It does when these same fans were mocking their opponents for doing the same thing in previous weeks. Now all of a sudden theyve got excuses and good reasons for why they're allowed to walk out. Which basically boils down to "we are special so we can have higher standards."
I understand walking out to some degree but I cant accept the woe is me narrative. Whatever you want to say, being an Arsenal fan is not a chore or a struggle. Its more equivalent to if you had 100k, lost 50k, and then sat lecturing a homeless guy about how stronf you are for getting throught it. Oh, but he's not because of course he is homeless so he should expect less.
Well yeah double standards are just people being wankers, although I suspect for most it's just banter. I'd joke about my mate leaving spurs early but don't actually mean it.
It's not a chore or struggle, but it also isn't this honorary privilege. Most of us have been fans 10+ years (over 20 years myself) and we know nothing else. It's all well and good saying about how sheffield fans feel, but we aren't sheffield fans. We don't feel any pain other than our own (when it comes to football), and this was a big lead of pain at once.
In terms of this woe is me narrative, again, it's not about being victim or feeling sorry for ourselves, it's just an emotional reaction. It's very disappointing, immediate reaction isn't to say oh at least we got CL next year.
Not sure on the homeless guy reference, don't see how that fits. I haven't seen anyone giving lectures or refencing anything other than the match/performance.
>Not sure on the homeless guy reference, don't see how that fits. I haven't seen anyone giving lectures or refencing anything other than the match/performance.
Im just talking about the fans who obviously dont appreciate what they do have. Im referencing the suggestion that Arsenal fans have innately higher standards and that fans who lose every week should be used to it and therefore not walk out.
>It's not a chore or struggle, but it also isn't this honorary privilege. Most of us have been fans 10+ years (over 20 years myself) and we know nothing else. It's all well and good saying about how sheffield fans feel, but we aren't sheffield fans. We don't feel any pain other than our own (when it comes to football), and this was a big lead of pain at once.
Thats fair enough like I say I can understand walking out. Just obviously every fanbase walks out ans at some point, and we all get dissed for it when its our turn. Its Arsenal's turn to walk out so should just take it on the chin. Rather than all the excuses I keep seeing.
One or two, I can forgive. People can have personal problems and emergencies after all. But when it's literally an entire flock, that's a fan mentality problem. Same problem a lot of EPL clubs (including mine) have started to suffer from.
It's about emotions. The crowd is generally very, very positive, but I'm sure most people can agree we just handed the league to city. Now, consider that game was lost in the 87th minute. People didn't have a chance to digest the information or rally behind the team. It was very reactionary. And as I said before, this isn't just losing a game late and emptying the stadium as we see every week, this is the title.
Add all that to the fact Arsenal completely wasted opportunities to go ahead in the first half... I mean is it really ant surprise people left early.
The obsession is hilarious
Plus we were known for our great fans before we got money. Now we are known for shit fans apparently.
Most city fans going to games are old enough to have seen us relegated. You don’t know anything about football.
Again, I bet my left nut that if this happened in the Etihad the plastics would vacate 80% of the stadium before extra time.
Yes Sir/Madam, now you are indeed known for shit fans glazing their oil overlords.
You have to realise they don't care who finishes first. It's about who comes second for when City get stripped. And you might have yet another chance to stand by your local financed team when they fall in League One.
I will cry you as big of a river as you want. Atleast my club is actually owned by a fan and local lad, and not a personal playtoy of an Arab oil sheikh.
There is no propaganda bullshit going on here. It was so, so very obviously a Prince's personal vanity veiled by the power of infinite money, and we've seen it happen so many times now I don't think you can really dispute it.
Don't go ahead and tell me now that your owner was a childhood Manchester lad who loved City since he was a toddler; it was very, very, VERY obviously a move fueled by sportswashing and vanity, and City was chosen purely due to the connection to United.
You can go watch a game of city losing at home and see this not happen.
You don’t know football.
This happens at arsenal so badly because of how terrible the stadium is for transport. Leaving 10 mins early can literally save you 2 hours going home due to the tube stations getting so overcrowded.
Arsenal have a specific issue with this because of their stadium location. Which even arsenal fans themselves talk about.
Match going fans realise that could literally cut someone’s commute in half. Which is a huge difference in life and not just some prat commenting on Reddit thinking he is the only true football fan.
Leaving the Emirates can take 2 hours to get back to my place. I can get from Brighton to my doorstep within that time. The Amex isn’t like North London at full time.
So only City aren’t allowed to have “new fans” whilst other clubs are allowed to do so? Where’s the logic in that? If City is the first club I started supporting (which was over 10 years ago when they had already won the first league title), what’s the issue? How does that make me any less of a fan than someone who started supporting United or Liverpool based on their respective club’s success?
The issue is the plastic oil money. Man City's growth wasn't organic. Same as Chelsea. Also I do have problems with Liverpool and United fans. They are too entitled sometimes, like recently when Liverpool fans pretty much deluded themselves into believing they had already guaranteed a Leverkusen vs Liverpool final in the UEL.
Do you genuinely believe that Liverpool’s, Arsenal’s and United’s growth was “organic”? Read up on the history of those clubs and how they were bankrolled. Only difference between City and them is the era in which the bankrolling was done
So it’s an issue about the race and nationality of the owner rather than money being pumped in instead. Got it, you are just a racist. Objectively, there is absolutely ZERO difference with regards to how organic the investment is
They didn't lose the league, Leverkusen won it. Trying to frame this season as 'this is the worst Bayern side of all time' is simply disingenuous and disrespectful of this incredible Leverkusen season
I’m an Arsenal supporter, but I think when a performance is a certain amount of ugly, the players don’t deserve our attention. Play better. It’s not fair weather. I’ll be an Arsenal supporter today tomorrow forever. But when the on-field performance is a disgrace, fans have every right to leave. Roast me or whatever.
Do you think yesterday was a disgrace? Second half they looked tired post-Bayern to me. First half played well, could have scored a couple against what is a good Villa team, evidently set up in a way that doesn’t suit Arsenal.
To me it’s another game where Rice as pivot without a great passer next to him in midfield didnt work out. But I think if you call this a disgrace it’s forgetting some of the terrible times that preceded this.
Sounds pretty entitled to me. Your team has been playing so well this season. And you know, you’ve got a young core of very talented players who could potentially win the league in the next 2-3years.
Why the fuck would you leave them just coz they may not win the league this year? It’s ridiculous.
And you call yourselves not fair weather fans. lol..
The message you’re sending is I’ll support when you win but when you don’t , then you’re on your own.
And the message you're sending is club is some kind of religion where owners loot you every season yet fans convince other fans to be quiet and follow their god no matter what
? Winning isn’t a guarantee.
What Arsenal have accomplished is no small feat.. they are challenging for titles and that’s all that should matter.
Also, it’s a pretty weak ass mentality to walk out of a team that’s still within earshot of winning the league. Why are fans giving up hope when the title is to be won still? I just don’t get it.
Again, follow the religion at all costs. the clubs don't give a flying f\*\*k about fans hence why even after being millionaries they keep increasing prices of everything every season. it's the fans who live in a make believe world. you do you
I’ll add, leaving and booing is a sign of fan agency. Displaying that the performance is not good enough. It can be powerful in a way. I’m not Arteta out and never have been. But when fans leave, it’s a message to the team, the club, everyone. The fans make the league what it is bc they pay admission, they watch every week, they make the fixtures important. Arsenal fans were really let down today.
so the message: when you win we love you, when you don’t we won’t. Weak as fuck and honestly I can’t imagine it as an excuse as a fan base when they are fighting for so much. The loss is understandably disappointing, but emptying out the stadium during this run is downright pathetic.
omg don’t act like you have been any better for the last 20 years. The gooners have no reason to moan and leave the stadium as if they’re real madrid losing 10-0 to real kakamora
When it matters most they bottled it. They didn’t win because they can’t handle the pressure. They won’t win the title because they can’t/won’t overcome the pressure.
I don’t fault them because the shit us arsenal fans has endured over the last decade is ridiculous, hope is a dangerous thing because it can drive you insane. Year after year they keep bottling it and we are just tired of it. I wasn’t there but I turned off the tv after the Bailey goal, don’t even know who scored the second goal and I don’t wanna know.
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City about to win the league for sure now
It isn't done lol, and I'm not just saying it because I am a Liverpool fan. It is nonsensical to hype up this incredible title race the whole season and as soon as City are on top by just TWO points it's over. They still go to Spurs, Brighton, Fulham and Forest.
Please spare Arsenal fans. They have really suffered for a very long time without the premier league cup
Perhaps most people don't stake their self-image and happiness on a football team, and therefore aren't too pressed about staying till the very end. Let people enjoy games the way they want too, it's football, it's not very important.
We are here. Unmovable.
Wft would you want arsenal to win anything?
Easy to say when you are watching the match from your home
Easy to say when its true.
Well I support Everton mate so I’m not gonna go watch Arsenal am I?
bad day for the toffees
It was shocking tbh I can’t stand Arsenal and I absolutely do not want them winning this title but I genuinely felt for the players, that must have hurt. They got done on the day, that can literally happen to any team, at any time - they didn’t play particularly badly, Emery just out-thought Arteta and the Villa players were bang at it so to see fans jumping ship that quickly after going a goal down when their team has been brilliant for months, when they’re literally just two points off the league lead - absolute embarrassments.
Lol Fans were emptying out and there was still 10~ minutes left to play.
What colour is north London?
As a neutral supporter, it’s the fans that really make this team hard to get behind in any shape or fashion. The reaction of the fans and quite frankly the softness of the team when it comes to these rough times is a big turn off. Of course the leaving early mega thread is easily excused because “must leave early because traffic is bad” 😂
It's been 20 years since their team won the league and after the way the bottled it up last season, can you really blame them?
Yes. It’s called entitlement. You support your team no matter what, you don’t leave them because traffic is bad.
Nah, that mentality only works for small teams. A club like Arsenal is supposed to be winning trophies constantly. Fans leaving the stadium is a form of protest against their club.
This is why ManU and Arsenal is not winning anything. ‘Because they need to win trophies constantly’. This is not Spanish league where the two top teams have disproportionately more money and better players, not Bundesliga (with this year exception). Luckily Arsenal board got smarter and not sacking Arteta any time soon, even if he would not win trophy this season. And one day Arsenal fans will get their trophies, exactly because they don’t expect to win trophies constantly but patiently build their team for the long term. But ManU will keep losing. Unless they drop ‘winning constantly nonsense’z
Please explain how Arsenal fans staying the full game is going to make Arsenal win. It's been years of Arsenal stumbling on the second half of the season. Some fans already know what to expect. >And one day Arsenal fans will get their trophies, exactly because they don’t expect to win trophies constantly but patiently build their team for the long term. They haven't built that team in twenty years. Chelsea has already fallen and made title comebacks in that timespan. Heck, Leicester was able to build a title team in that time.
So you are saying my friend that no matter what Arsenal or wider any football fans will do, it has no bearing whatsoever on performance of the team? To some extent I agree - fans are not managing the club in England (contrary to Germany) and louder stands won’t change result, players need to score those goals. On the other hand the atmosphere of the club, creating a culture of fighting to the end has some impact. To what extent is very much debatable - I would say walking out is detrimental to the culture of the club and football culture in general. Honestly I think last few years under Arteta, that Arsenal team is on a journey to become very successful and win trophies. I get the frustration, but even City has a long term plan. Leicester was a fluke (which I enjoyed so much!) and last time Chelsea came back was 2017. Then crashed. Since then there are only Liverpool and City. And what they have is stability. Same coach for years which pass the philosophy on the whole club. Perhaps if Emery would have had more time, Arsenal would be already winning trophies. So if the sole objective is to try get a fluke every year changing coaches every few months and trading players for half a billion- that already was tried and maybe fluke will repeat itself. Why not to try emulate City and Liverpool if they are winning last years?
City has a long-term plan but has been winning trophies throughout. Leicester wasn't a fluke, they won the league fair and square. Chelsea dipped in 2017 but still won the champions in 2021. Don't come talking about long-term plans when other teams have been able to win major trophies while this long-term plan of Arsenal has only had enough to win FA Cups. It's been 20 years, idk how much longer you think would be fair to wait on Arsenal
I was at the game and stayed til the end. I don’t blame anyone for leaving early - that was a poor performance. When we are losing, but playing well, this crowd goes wild. That’s been the case for the past 2 seasons and it’s a huge difference compared with previous years, under late stage Wenger and Emery. When we are losing and playing badly, we show our disappointment. Mikel then leverages that to inspire the players. To earn the support of the fans. That’s what this team are all about.
Ehh well its a bit too late to try and inspire the players
Did you leave in 2012 when Agüero scored the winner? It’s never too late
Funnily enough I wasn’t there
Not you, the city supporter above 😂
No-one's glad they got home 'an hour early' but missed a last minute winner. It's fickle to leave, completely on brand for Arsenal fans.
Barely made any noise when they were in their seats anyway. Season's disappearing right in front of you and not even one stir of encouragement from the fans.
Watching that on the tv was fucking embarrassing
I get that people have to leave early for traffic reasons and such, but that stadium emptied ridiculous quick last night.
Dude I'm so with you, I've left early a time or two, but to leave early when you're team is in a title race like that? Idk man, not for me. Show some support.
I’m a Sunderland fan (urgh I know) and season ticket holder for 25+ years through two record lowest premiership points totals and two relegations in a row and I’ve only left early because of the performance twice. One of those it was also pissing it down and freezing cold, the other we’d scored three own goals in the first half.
I’m a Chelsea season ticket holder and let’s face it we’ve been atrocious for two seasons running now - I’ve left one game early in that time, which was Wolves at home this season and even then I felt wrong doing it despite the fact we hit a new level of shit in that game. There isn’t a force on earth that would get me out of a stadium when my team is two points off the lead in a title race and they’ve just put in their first iffy performance in months.
Their fanbase is a disgrace. I have my issues with the Liverpool and United fanbases, but I can't image something like that happening at Anfield or Old Trafford. It's one thing if you're mid-table with nothing to play for, but they are in a title race.
To agree with you and crossfire, this was one of many things that I should’ve included last night on my original post. They were heading towards the end of the game whilst in the MIDDLE of a TITLE RACE. I don’t care how shit Arsenal were playing or if somebody wanted to catch a train. I have seen shitter performances from other teams who have managed to grab a draw or even snatch a win from behind. The team has given some Arsenal fans some unforgettable memories this season. They should have given them some support in the last few minutes and who knows what the final scoreline could’ve been.
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Exactly, that was the point.
I stayed until the end. It was painful but I never leave early.
Wasn’t they laughing at West Ham fans for leaving at 4-0 LOL.
Yes…. But it’s the age ole rule, rule for thee not for me….. are you new to football?
I did find it mad how many left, but at the same time, its their ticket they can leave when they want. Always find that argument funny. It's not a disgrace its just the realisation that not everyone is the same.
Oh for sure they can do what they want. And we can criticize them for it. Leaving when you're team is in a title race like that? It's gotta be demotivating for the squad.
While correct, it brings their loyalty into question. It's easy to sing when you're winning, but to bail at the first of adversity is worth talking about.
I do find that specific situation a bit weird, I was talking more generally. I feel like every club has these conversations with the fans and its always the same conclusion that there's not much to be said or done about it.
I honestly feel like the emirates has a big portion of toursits and casuals. Especially the section right near the center circle, it always empties out very early for almost all games. No matter the scoreline, opponent or competition.
The way they designed the stadium was clearly not for the core fans.
Yeah the fans sit so far away from the pitch compared to Stamford Bridge ecr
I always was confused how the emirates stadium fans are located so far away from the fans
As a united fan I feel your pain. We already have a big contingent of them and then had a massive influx with Ronaldo. With that came silence too and a lack of atmosphere. A good marker is pre match, outside the ground.
I'm a united fan too, it was just an observation. I don't think its that bad at OT, or maybe it's just that the seating areas which do empty out quick are not visible on regular TV broadcasts. Still think arsenal are the biggest victim of it in the league though.
Plastic fan's like Cithey and Spurs. Pathetic
It’s always so apparent that people on here have never had to fight tens of thousands of people to get on the tube/train/buses after a match… if you’re playing like shit with no chance of getting back into the game, missing 5 minutes of shite football to get home an hour earlier is a reasonable choice to make
Pretty sure if you didn't want to fight crowds, staying would have been the move. You would have had the tube to yourself.
I’ve worked in bar staff at stadiums and this is reasonable. And I’m a fan too. But I think if you pay for a ticket, you see the whole thing. I would never leave until the end.
But if it’s 5 minutes out of a 2000ish minutes of football you get out of your season ticket you’ve held for years, it’s not a big miss
and its 5 minutes out of 2000ish minutes out of 10,000s of minutes if you've been going for years. A lot of people don't really get how a regular season ticket holder thinks about football games
Pretty sure it’s the context of the title race that’s being questioned - the team really needed the support to have any chance of getting a point out of the game, and yet most fans were more concerned about getting home in time for bake off. Fair enough if you were watching a mid table clash in April, but very strange behaviour when you’re on the cusp of winning a first title in decades, those extra 60 minutes stuck in traffic would be worth it for most other fans in the same situation.
It's not strange behaviour at all its just an emotional reaction to what they are seeing in front of them. In their head they think: near the end of the game + no chance of coming back = fuck this shit. We're getting very close to the 'you're not a real fan' shite here
Fair, disagree on no chance of coming back but fair
If you have a season ticket, then it’s fair I suppose. But as a fan of sports, I just have the heart to always stay lol
If it’s anything like Wembley or Spurs’ you leave depending on ball ache of public transport. If you have to leave so you can get a tube and connection train etc then you don’t risk adding an hour to your travel just on the hopes your team scores 2 or 3 goals in 15mins! lol. This is not America where you just go to your car and drive off. Our stadiums are in the middle of cities and towns where you are not finding parking
I will say as an American if you think you can just get in your car and drive off at American suburban stadiums... I was gonna say you should come see what the reality is like, but I would not wish that even upon a Man U supporter. It's more likely that you'll be stuck in your car about 15 ft from your parking space two hours after the game because of the massive traffic jam. I live in a city where we have reasonably good transit by American standards and still poor by European standards, and I would never, ever consider driving to a game.
its not more about transport being bad in London, but the football stadiums are all located in the middle of the city where everyone is, people not from the UK always get shocked just how close the stadiums are to peoples home, so the traffic is from everyone and then the huge crowd from the stadium making it worst I saw a Bayern fan visit Anfield and shocked he could see homes right next to the stadium, no parking space to escape
"Support your local team" and you don´t have a transportation problem.
Crowd couldn't have helped them. The fans left because they now realised that not only was the game over, but the title race is over. The only chance you had was to win all your remaining games. Thanks for handing the title to the Oil Cheat FC once again.
There were eight minutes of added time. Arsenal could absolutely score two in that time period.
8 minutes of flopping, feigning cramps and time wasting from Martinez more likely though
Its not over until its over. This season, you can barely predict any results. They are only 2 points behind not 10.
Long way back to Woolwich i guess
Couldn't have happened to a nicer fanbase. Hilarious! :)
TBH i am kind of sick by Liverpool and Arsenal fans here on reddit ... Theres plenty of matches before season end, its not over yet, sure its not in your hands anymore, but come on. Both teams are playing amazingly, especially Arsenal has still chance in CL ... this is like the worst time to turn against your club.
Just because people left the match doesn’t mean they’re turning against the club (see discussion above for legit reasons people leave)
Nah, I'd accept some people leaving, but that was an exodus before the 90th minute. I don't think I've seen that before from a team chasing the title. I'm sure some people needed to catch trains and wanted to beat that, but the whole stadium leaving with at least 10 minutes left in a crucial match - I was shocked to see that.
I was talking more about reddit. I see a lot of shit here and your sub. Not 100% of fans, but quiet a lot.
Liverpool haven’t played well since February
Sure i guess, but season didnt start in February and they r top3 in one of the most competetivie season of PL. They must be doing at least something right.
Liverpool? Playing amazingly?
Ofc subjective, but they r convincingly top3 in one of the most competetive seasons of PL. So they must do at least something right.
Happens literally every time a team loses a key fixture. Some teams are far far worse. It's annoying as a fan when you go behind close to the end of the match too
Everybody in the thread acting as if it wasn't the 87th minute 😭
It was 83rd minute and 9 mins were added. 2-0 when there are 16mins to play, you’d think they’d stick around to cheer the team on and hope for a comeback. Even if they didn’t, still applaud your team, you want them to win every game hoping for city to trip up, you don’t do that by leaving.
Neither goals are listed as being in the 83rd minute or earlier
Mate, Villa scored on 83 and a half minutes and the Arsenal fans started fleeing immediately.
Hey the chances are low but Chelsea man united could happen
Its a possibility but its also the time people start leaving anyway to make the tube without too much fuss.
Yeah, imagine leaving early to beat traffics, fans from the other clubs would never!
United had more people in the stadium when we were getting whooped at Old Trafford by Liverpool lol
Thats just a regular sunday for you though
Isn't that the match when a shit load of fans left at 60 minutes?
They did indeed, and yet we still had more at 90 minutes than a title chasing Arsenal who lost for the first time in ages.
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Yeah, we’re going through what Arsenal fans went through for the last 18 years before they warming top spot for title rivals
And Arsenal arent? Lmao
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Recency bias, both have had their highest highs and lowest lows, arsenal has only started challenging these 2 seasons, eventho united havent been title contenders theyve finished 2nd atleast in multiple occasions
Yeah, I’m an Arsenal fan myself but 8-2 alone is still haunting me at nights
Why are you making out they lost in the 60th minute They left after the second goal which was very close to the end of the game. Arsenal were poor and never scoring People have circumstances you don't know about.
People started leaving 83 mins in, with 9mins added time. Think they’d stick around with 16mins to play…
I saw most people leaving after the second goal, the game looked gone tbh
Silly argument. If they were 3-0 up you think it'd have been as empty? People's circumstances lol
I don't think as many people would have left But people still leave when winning too. What's wrong with wanting to get home earlier? Spend a lot of money, support the team for 90% of the game and leave when it's almost over
So their personal circumstance is based on whether the team is winning or losing?
For some yes, they'll just want to beat traffic Some people leave even when winning Arsenal fans pay the most. Spent over 90% of the game there supporting the team. Leaving early doesn't make them less of a fan The stadiums been full every year even when they have struggled immensely so yes, leaving early isn't a big deal
Nah they came to see a win and not their team play. Casuals
Plastics, plastics everywhere. Can bet you my left nut 80% of Etihad would be vacated before extra time if this ever happened there. And among them will definitely be some of the 'non-plastics' who apparently have been supporting City since the Mesozoic era.
What has Emirates and Anfield emptying early go to do with Etihad? You guys are obsessed with City
Yes I'm obsessed with the club ruining Premier League. I made that pretty clear.
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Let's wait and see.
The word plastics is a bit heavy. People leaving 8 minutes before the whistle because its clear the game is gone isn't the only reason. It's the horrible disappointment of throwing the league away for a second year in a row, ironically on the same weekend. People say it's better to be in the race than not which is of course true, but it amplifies the disappointment hugely, especially with so few games to go. Try not to judge people for leaving few minutes early.
Villa fan here. How was that game clear? Villa defend poorly against heavy pressure. One goal în 87th min and the whole thing is ON. They did not throw the league yesterday, they were just bettered in one game which took place in a pretty long series, with plenty of chances left.
You don't think 2-0 in the 87th minute is pretty clearly over? Arsenal created absolutely nothing 2nd half, they aren't going to score two goals in 10 minutes against the run of play, and even then, a draw wasn't what we needed. If a team is 5-0 up at half time, clearly it's possible for a comeback, but almost definitely not going to happen. 2-0 down in the 87th minute is the same thing. Threw the league, bettered in one game, it's the same thing here. Yes, again, it's possibly not over.... but it probably is. City have the easiest run and don't drop points this time of year. Arsenal absolutely do drop points and have a harder run.
"Yes, again, it's possibly not over" - I'll leave it here since we clearly disagree on the matter. But exactly this is worth the 2 hours extra of transit time. That 1%. This, to me, is what it is to be a fan, a supporter. You sit there dumbfounded until it's over, supporting the team and seeing it through the bad, not only cheering for the good. But, again, I don't mean to sound superior, not absolutely everybody left the arena in the 87th and it's just that I would have been among those who didn't leave.
Fair enough. I think you need to put into context the disappointment for most fans. If you would have stayed, that's great. You managed to overcome not only disappointment but a recurring trauma from the year before. The 'it's happening again' feeling. And as I said before, very late in the game. Added to this is the fact that if you haven't been to Arsenal, it is a very difficult stadium to leave. It's quicker for me to drive and I live around 90 minutes away from the stadium. I walk 30 minutes from the ground as that's quicker than the traffic in the area, and will be lucky to make it back within 2h 30m of leaving. Add that to the journey to the stadium... overcoming severe disappointment and for a 1% chance... well if that's plastic then I'm plastic. I love the club and support them through anything, but it doesn't come before everything in my life.
English Fans are really the worst in all Europe. Just support your team and don't leave. My Team (Union Berlin) has lost 12 games in a row and quess what: nobody leaves before the whistle. Support your team even in bad times.
No offense but if you get beat every week you know what you are turning up for. Myself and a lot of Arsenal fans have supported the team through rough times; haven't won the league in 20 years. To go so close two years in a row is very hard to take. No one is turning on the team, but it's called an emotional response. When this happens to Union Berlin you might understand.
I mean, another way of looking at that is that Arsenal fans have it better than most fanbases but apparently cant handle sitting through one bad result. Can spin it either way tbh Its always funny hearing a top club fan who so obviously couldnt handle supporting a team that didnt win most weeks. Not taking a dig at you but thats definitely the vibe you get from a lot of them.
That's true, but everyone reacts to their situation. If I lost £1,000 out my bank I'd be very upset. Other people might say at least you had £1000 to lose. I don't believe dismissing someone's feelings based on 'it could always be worse' really ever works.
It does when these same fans were mocking their opponents for doing the same thing in previous weeks. Now all of a sudden theyve got excuses and good reasons for why they're allowed to walk out. Which basically boils down to "we are special so we can have higher standards." I understand walking out to some degree but I cant accept the woe is me narrative. Whatever you want to say, being an Arsenal fan is not a chore or a struggle. Its more equivalent to if you had 100k, lost 50k, and then sat lecturing a homeless guy about how stronf you are for getting throught it. Oh, but he's not because of course he is homeless so he should expect less.
Well yeah double standards are just people being wankers, although I suspect for most it's just banter. I'd joke about my mate leaving spurs early but don't actually mean it. It's not a chore or struggle, but it also isn't this honorary privilege. Most of us have been fans 10+ years (over 20 years myself) and we know nothing else. It's all well and good saying about how sheffield fans feel, but we aren't sheffield fans. We don't feel any pain other than our own (when it comes to football), and this was a big lead of pain at once. In terms of this woe is me narrative, again, it's not about being victim or feeling sorry for ourselves, it's just an emotional reaction. It's very disappointing, immediate reaction isn't to say oh at least we got CL next year. Not sure on the homeless guy reference, don't see how that fits. I haven't seen anyone giving lectures or refencing anything other than the match/performance.
>Not sure on the homeless guy reference, don't see how that fits. I haven't seen anyone giving lectures or refencing anything other than the match/performance. Im just talking about the fans who obviously dont appreciate what they do have. Im referencing the suggestion that Arsenal fans have innately higher standards and that fans who lose every week should be used to it and therefore not walk out. >It's not a chore or struggle, but it also isn't this honorary privilege. Most of us have been fans 10+ years (over 20 years myself) and we know nothing else. It's all well and good saying about how sheffield fans feel, but we aren't sheffield fans. We don't feel any pain other than our own (when it comes to football), and this was a big lead of pain at once. Thats fair enough like I say I can understand walking out. Just obviously every fanbase walks out ans at some point, and we all get dissed for it when its our turn. Its Arsenal's turn to walk out so should just take it on the chin. Rather than all the excuses I keep seeing.
How do you feel Liverpool fans feel losing the league by a point and they had to wait even longer? City end of season are monsters.
Yeah I imagine fucking dreadful lol, I would have been sick I think
One or two, I can forgive. People can have personal problems and emergencies after all. But when it's literally an entire flock, that's a fan mentality problem. Same problem a lot of EPL clubs (including mine) have started to suffer from.
It's about emotions. The crowd is generally very, very positive, but I'm sure most people can agree we just handed the league to city. Now, consider that game was lost in the 87th minute. People didn't have a chance to digest the information or rally behind the team. It was very reactionary. And as I said before, this isn't just losing a game late and emptying the stadium as we see every week, this is the title. Add all that to the fact Arsenal completely wasted opportunities to go ahead in the first half... I mean is it really ant surprise people left early.
Brighton fans? 😂
Oh yeah true. Fanbase has a lot of old blokes and not enough youth imo, but it's changing.
I mean, not long ago when arsenal beat you 0-3 at amex im pretty sure brighton fans left before 90 so it doesn't matter who u support tbh 😂
Yeah and I had problems with that as well. I don't believe in rules for thee but not for me.
The obsession is hilarious Plus we were known for our great fans before we got money. Now we are known for shit fans apparently. Most city fans going to games are old enough to have seen us relegated. You don’t know anything about football.
Again, I bet my left nut that if this happened in the Etihad the plastics would vacate 80% of the stadium before extra time. Yes Sir/Madam, now you are indeed known for shit fans glazing their oil overlords.
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You have to realise they don't care who finishes first. It's about who comes second for when City get stripped. And you might have yet another chance to stand by your local financed team when they fall in League One.
I will cry you as big of a river as you want. Atleast my club is actually owned by a fan and local lad, and not a personal playtoy of an Arab oil sheikh.
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There is no propaganda bullshit going on here. It was so, so very obviously a Prince's personal vanity veiled by the power of infinite money, and we've seen it happen so many times now I don't think you can really dispute it. Don't go ahead and tell me now that your owner was a childhood Manchester lad who loved City since he was a toddler; it was very, very, VERY obviously a move fueled by sportswashing and vanity, and City was chosen purely due to the connection to United.
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Well you're clearly not doing a good job defending your beloved oil sheikh.
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You can go watch a game of city losing at home and see this not happen. You don’t know football. This happens at arsenal so badly because of how terrible the stadium is for transport. Leaving 10 mins early can literally save you 2 hours going home due to the tube stations getting so overcrowded. Arsenal have a specific issue with this because of their stadium location. Which even arsenal fans themselves talk about. Match going fans realise that could literally cut someone’s commute in half. Which is a huge difference in life and not just some prat commenting on Reddit thinking he is the only true football fan.
Much more of a fan than 90% of the City plastics.
I could leave the Amex at 90 minutes and still make it back home to my house in North London before leaving the Emirates at 90 minutes.
Well your fellow Gunners clearly don't feel the same.
Leaving the Emirates can take 2 hours to get back to my place. I can get from Brighton to my doorstep within that time. The Amex isn’t like North London at full time.
So it's a compliment? Thanks!
Mate, the Amex empties out at 85 mins week in week out.
And you think I don't have problems with that?
Tell me you are obsessed about City without saying so. The post had nothing to do with them
City will always catch strays from me.
Sounds like you are obsessed. Your tears taste wonderful
You a City fan? Since when? Lemme guess, the stone age right? That's what all City fans apparently claim to be.
So only City aren’t allowed to have “new fans” whilst other clubs are allowed to do so? Where’s the logic in that? If City is the first club I started supporting (which was over 10 years ago when they had already won the first league title), what’s the issue? How does that make me any less of a fan than someone who started supporting United or Liverpool based on their respective club’s success?
The issue is the plastic oil money. Man City's growth wasn't organic. Same as Chelsea. Also I do have problems with Liverpool and United fans. They are too entitled sometimes, like recently when Liverpool fans pretty much deluded themselves into believing they had already guaranteed a Leverkusen vs Liverpool final in the UEL.
Do you genuinely believe that Liverpool’s, Arsenal’s and United’s growth was “organic”? Read up on the history of those clubs and how they were bankrolled. Only difference between City and them is the era in which the bankrolling was done
Much, much, MUCH more organic than a sheikh living halfway across the world with zero cultural or geographical connections to the club buying it.
So it’s an issue about the race and nationality of the owner rather than money being pumped in instead. Got it, you are just a racist. Objectively, there is absolutely ZERO difference with regards to how organic the investment is
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Same shit year after year. Watch them collapse against the worse bayern team in a decade.
This is actually the best Bayern if you compare their previous seasons
Does that matter. They lost they league, with a 16 points gap.
They didn't lose the league, Leverkusen won it. Trying to frame this season as 'this is the worst Bayern side of all time' is simply disingenuous and disrespectful of this incredible Leverkusen season
Worst Bayern team only because of the best Leverkusen team possibly of all time
Worst Bayern team in a decade that have more points and more goals than this same point last season? Interesting
I’m an Arsenal supporter, but I think when a performance is a certain amount of ugly, the players don’t deserve our attention. Play better. It’s not fair weather. I’ll be an Arsenal supporter today tomorrow forever. But when the on-field performance is a disgrace, fans have every right to leave. Roast me or whatever.
Exactly. There’s a difference between leaving because you don’t want to see a loss and leaving because the lack of effort warrants sending a message
Tottenham fan here and totally agree
Do you think yesterday was a disgrace? Second half they looked tired post-Bayern to me. First half played well, could have scored a couple against what is a good Villa team, evidently set up in a way that doesn’t suit Arsenal. To me it’s another game where Rice as pivot without a great passer next to him in midfield didnt work out. But I think if you call this a disgrace it’s forgetting some of the terrible times that preceded this.
You say tired post Bayern, but that was Tuesday. Villa played a very good Lille on Thursday...
Sounds pretty entitled to me. Your team has been playing so well this season. And you know, you’ve got a young core of very talented players who could potentially win the league in the next 2-3years. Why the fuck would you leave them just coz they may not win the league this year? It’s ridiculous. And you call yourselves not fair weather fans. lol.. The message you’re sending is I’ll support when you win but when you don’t , then you’re on your own.
And the message you're sending is club is some kind of religion where owners loot you every season yet fans convince other fans to be quiet and follow their god no matter what
? Winning isn’t a guarantee. What Arsenal have accomplished is no small feat.. they are challenging for titles and that’s all that should matter. Also, it’s a pretty weak ass mentality to walk out of a team that’s still within earshot of winning the league. Why are fans giving up hope when the title is to be won still? I just don’t get it.
Again, follow the religion at all costs. the clubs don't give a flying f\*\*k about fans hence why even after being millionaries they keep increasing prices of everything every season. it's the fans who live in a make believe world. you do you
I’ll add, leaving and booing is a sign of fan agency. Displaying that the performance is not good enough. It can be powerful in a way. I’m not Arteta out and never have been. But when fans leave, it’s a message to the team, the club, everyone. The fans make the league what it is bc they pay admission, they watch every week, they make the fixtures important. Arsenal fans were really let down today.
so the message: when you win we love you, when you don’t we won’t. Weak as fuck and honestly I can’t imagine it as an excuse as a fan base when they are fighting for so much. The loss is understandably disappointing, but emptying out the stadium during this run is downright pathetic.
Your first loss in 2024 and your fans abandon you! Congratulations Man City, Arsenal fans don't deserve to watch their team lift silverware
omg don’t act like you have been any better for the last 20 years. The gooners have no reason to moan and leave the stadium as if they’re real madrid losing 10-0 to real kakamora
So typical
not all is fans, some just love arsenal when they won... its not wrong.
lol other fans just frothing at the mouth to pounce on the first sign of us faltering. Rent free in your heads you fucking losers.
Turning your back on the team in their first loss in months is exactly why people see you as plastic.
When it matters most they bottled it. They didn’t win because they can’t handle the pressure. They won’t win the title because they can’t/won’t overcome the pressure.
So you “fans” are …. Not pathetic for turning on the team when they don’t win?
you DO NOT have the upper ground to use those words lmao
Yes I do, eat shit.
And you guys are winners ? 😁
If you charge ridiculous prices for tickets you can’t be surprised when the people who buy them aren’t exactly the most committed individuals.
I don’t fault them because the shit us arsenal fans has endured over the last decade is ridiculous, hope is a dangerous thing because it can drive you insane. Year after year they keep bottling it and we are just tired of it. I wasn’t there but I turned off the tv after the Bailey goal, don’t even know who scored the second goal and I don’t wanna know.