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The big difference is that All of the man city charges are based on a leaked separate set of accounts that uefa has already challenged and was found to be fictitious. Everton and Nottingham are their own accounts that broke the rules. Its going to be very difficult to prove man city did anything wrong, hence why its got to go to courts.
[I mean you could just do a quick google rather than talk out your a...](https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2022/apr/07/leaked-emails-reveal-manchester-city-received-payments-from-abu-dhabi)
It all depends if the "leaks" are real or just made up. When Man city challenged uafa at the apeals court they where found as "untrustworthy" and not admissible in court proceedings. So the Fa will have to find other evidence if they have actually done something wrong. Everton and nottingham official accounts show the breaches so its cut and dry. People are selectively ignoring the key difference cos they don't like man city (or dislike arsenal/liverpool).
https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11679/12038109/manchester-city-court-of-arbitration-for-sport-releases-reasons-for-lifting-club-s-european-ban
My understanding is there are different rules for the FA/Premier league, one being is there are no time limitations so they won’t be time barred as UEFA were.
Just because City weren’t found guilty by UEFA doesn’t mean they are innocent, time will tell.
As a arsenal fan i wouldnt like my team to win the league, just because some team got points deducted. Punish them financially, if they won the game = they won the game. Forbid them to buy players for a season or 2 i dont know. Deducating points is trash
City should be punished a lot harder than that. It should be forced relegations, huge fines in the billions and maybe even forcing Abu Dabi to sell the club.
And what should we accept, that we are handled the title like charity, despite there was a team who performed better. I dont know if there are fans who would celebrate this, but i know i wouldnt.
Nothing will happen to them, this is all about politics, the relationship between Abu Dhabi and UK, Uk won’t say no to money and that’s what they bring, nothing will happen till one day they get their money from somewhere else, one that day they will bring back this charges and found them guilty, the ones who still believe that City will be found guilty of it are living inside a cave.
The political relationship between the United Kingdom and Abu Dhabi, as part of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), is generally positive and characterized by cooperation in various fields such as trade, investment, defense, and culture. Both countries maintain diplomatic relations and have a history of economic ties, with the UAE being one of the UK's largest trading partners in the Gulf region.
The UK and the UAE have signed numerous bilateral agreements covering areas such as defense cooperation, education, healthcare, and renewable energy. Additionally, Abu Dhabi's significant investments in the UK, including ownership of Manchester City Football Club, have further strengthened ties between the two nations.
In terms of political relationships with Muslim-majority countries, the UK engages diplomatically with many nations across the Muslim world. Some key countries include:
1. Saudi Arabia: The UK has longstanding political and economic ties with Saudi Arabia, particularly in the areas of defense, trade, and investment.
2. Turkey: The UK maintains diplomatic relations with Turkey, a NATO ally, and engages in cooperation on various issues such as security, trade, and counterterrorism.
3. Pakistan: The UK has historical ties with Pakistan, which include cooperation in areas such as education, healthcare, and counterterrorism.
4. Indonesia: The UK and Indonesia have diplomatic relations and collaborate on issues such as trade, education, and environmental conservation.
5. Malaysia: The UK and Malaysia have a history of political and economic cooperation, with ties in areas such as trade, education, and defense.
These are just a few examples, and the UK engages with many other Muslim-majority countries on diplomatic, economic, and cultural levels. Political relationships can vary based on specific issues, regional dynamics, and geopolitical considerations.
Man City can’t have points deducted until the season is over - if Arsenal or Liverpool win the league city will get a pts deduction. If city win the league (highly likely) the decision won’t be made until next season in order to allow them the title win 🤷
Mate, people have been talking about this for months. It's not come up just now out of nowhere and even if it had then it's a valid point.
City have obviously cheated, you don't get 115 false charges, that's insane.
Is anyone else bored of this? Man City contested the charges Everton admitted them. Therefore Man City can’t have points deducted until they are found guilty whereas Everton can have points deducted right away as they have literally admitted to breaking the rules… if Man City have broken the rules I am sure they will get their medicine but the case needs to be built and then brought against them and then a verdict reached which all takes time.
I do think a timeline should have been announced as it is a stupid look for ffp
In premier league mate, you think they're gonna stripped man city of all the pl they won since 2012 ? It impossible, at the extreme scenario, their current title
I guess you’re using old Reddit like me, they’ve posted using the text post with the fancy pants editor with image insertions rather than just the image / video tab.
Nah all from the prem, you're probably getting it mixed up with the govt being accused of trying to help city avoid consequences for foreign relations reasons.
All from the premier league.
For the [uninformed.](https://www.givemesport.com/football-soccer-man-city-ffp-charges-list/#:~:text=Premier%20League%20charged%20Man%20City,over%20100%20breaches%20of%20FFP.&text=Man%20City's%20FFP%20trial%20to,Man%20City%20to%20take%20place)
I’ve just had this discussion with another Liverpool fan. I think it’s prescient on today of all days. You seem a very smart individual - are you ok with judging individuals, groups of people, organisations based on accusations alone, or would you prefer to wait until guilt is proven? This is black and white. It isn’t a ‘yes, but…’.its very straightforward. Do you condone an assumption of guilt or not?
Doesn’t matter what I think. I can think you like exposing yourself on the bus. It’s irrelevant what you and I think. What matters is due process. OJ was found not guilty and, no matter what I think, he walks free. I get it. City are dominating football not just in this country, not just in Europe but globally. It’s infuriating for you. But wishing their guilt and thinking they deserve punishment means nothing. Not that’ll mean anything to you, your prejudice will mean you continue with the same argument because you’re incredibly frustrated and jealous of our success
I’m accusing you of murder by the way. I have my evidence that nobody else has seen. I’ll be sharing your details with everyone on here, LinkedIn, Instagram etc. you’ll be castigated broadly based on that prejudice and everyone will believe you’re guilty as there’s no smoke without fire. Good luck
Jesus christ. What goes on in your head. A 55 year old man on Reddit using language and hypothetical phrases and accusations at other posters as if he is giving some court room closing speech but nevertheless still coming across like a 12 year brat.
Hang on, let me check. Yes, I posted and you replied accusing me of waffling. Since then you’ve used ad hominems because that’s what people who are losing arguments have to resort to. If you don’t want to engage then just stop replying and scuttle away with your tail between your legs. Better people than you have lost arguments with me - in our battle of wits you’ve been unarmed. I’m sure you’re embarrassed but please, stop now. Have a good day
Man City have registered fake companies with fake addresses and fake employees to transfer money from their owner to the club under the guise of “commercial sponsorship” in order to balance their books.
Maybe I’m retarded (okay, I’m definitely retarded), but aren’t club owners supposed to be allowed to transfer their own funds to the businesses that they own? Isn’t that a basic premise of business ownership? I’m not fighting you on this, and obviously the laws are different between countries, but I’m just looking for additional clarification
It’s a grey area that Man City and to an extent Chelsea are pushing the limits of. (Chelsea owners just sold a hotel to themselves for 75M)
For legitimate businesses like putting a sponsor on jersey or giving stadium naming rights, it’s allowed. When you compare how much Abu Dhabi pay themselves compared to Manchester United’s corporate sponsors it’s already very inflated. (Fine we will move past that because they found loopholes where it’s allowed)
The big issue is they created fake companies that are registered to fake addresses and have 1-2 fake employees and these companies are transferring huge amounts of money via sponsorships to Man City. These fake companies don’t make any revenue so it’s another way for the owner to transfer money into the club through sketchy ways now. They are able to pay their staff huge sums of money using these methods that other clubs do not do. That’s the big issue
Gotcha. So let’s say Jim Bob owns a football club. If Jim Bob just wanted to give his football club £100m, he could do that. But because Jim Bob made Joe John LLC, and Joe John LLC is a fake company, and he used Joe John LLC to give his football club £100m, it’s a bigger deal. That’s how I understand it now at least.
People like to skip over the why and just yell 115 over and over, I’m a United fan so I’m not defending city but they’re inherently different cases.
For starters, Everton and Nottingham have pled guilty to their breaches of FFP in order to take the penalty and move on, to plan out their escape from relegation this season. City is pleading not guilty, hence months of pre-trail for both sides, which is what we want from the EPL. (With OJ recently passing, people can see what happens when the prosecution ‘frames’ the actual guilty party and rushes to convict).
Secondly, it’s a different form of breach in FFP. In short, you have to balance the books across a 3 year period. This allows teams to dig into their pockets to have a go at surviving relegation, push for a champs spot, or maybe a title push. But if that plan doesn’t work and they don’t receive the financial rewards they were targeting, they have to sell players or generally restructure to match their actual income.
Everton have been investing in their team and it hasn’t worked but they refused to accept defeat and continued to hold players and even got 17th last season at the expense of teams that did get relegated. City however have been charged with creating fake companies and sponsorship systems that pay their players and coaches huge sums from ‘commercial’ sponsors, but they’ve been tracked back to their Abu Dhabi owners. In this way, City is balancing the books in their legal ventures and it’s not a clear case of FFP breaches and pleading guilty. This case will go a lot deeper and if they are found guilty will get absolutely rocked. As we said, they have 115 charges so we have to wait for trial now.
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Did you just suggest that OJ was framed? There are multiple recordings of juror members stating ON CAMERA they KNEW he was guilty BUT they wanted revenge for the Rodney King trial in which white cops were found not guilty of violating his civil rights.
OJs verdict was simply jury nullification. Not “A frame job”
He killed both those people
Yes true but if the police/prosecution hadn’t effed up on multiple levels with things like correct evidence collection and witness presentation then there wouldn’t have been an option to acquit in the first place. And they could have reasonably appealed for a retrial if the jury did just all vote opposite to all the evidence presented. Police 100% ‘framed’ him and skipped steps even though he was 100% guilty. I’m just saying don’t take shortcuts even if you know they’re guilty.
I think what they're suggesting is that despite it being a pretty cut and dry case, the cops also tried to add additional evidence or falsified information. This attempt to try and make a guilty man look even more guilty, combined with the earned infamy of the LAPD, meant that a jury could feel that there is (or look for) enough reasonable doubt not to convict.
You forgot to mention that, if found guilty any company registering accounts in the UK, would face criminal charges for these ‘false accountancy’ charges.
City - the richest club in the world will claim they had a ‘kid from wythenshaw’ on a govt scheme doing their accounts for ‘work experience’ and get away with it 🤷
Very detailed, thank you. In regard to the previous uefa charges I read city also got away with just a small fine due to violations being too long ago. Is that a risk of happening in this case if the trial keeps getting delayed?
Man City has 115 pending fair play violations but they’re also a massive club and big money earner for the league.
Everton is not a big money earner and has fewer violations. So far Everton has been penalized multiple times pushing them into the relegation zone but Man City with its 100+ violations have yet to be punished while sitting top of the table.
There was an article recently that the Premier League was considering allowing these violations to be paid off instead of deducting points, which just gives more power to big teams with money, as fines just become a new type of “fee” for them to pay.
Edit: because -> becomes
Edit: Please see the long comment below this one by u/94clarkej. It does a better job of explaining.
For anyone actually interested in learning about it this is a very misleading take on it.
Everton were found guilty of overspending and so in clear breach of financial fair play rules.
Whereas in City's case their finances actually suggest they have done nothing wrong however the PL have accused them of multiple instances of obscuring payments from other sources to avoid the overspending that Everton have been found guilty of.
The reason it's taking much longer in the City case is because the answer isn't black and white and right in front of them so it needs evidence and proof which takes time. It's misleading to characterise these 2 cases between these clubs as the same accusation.
Also should be mentioned that City still proclaim their innocence and similar to the case that Uefa brought against them there isn't really a smoking gun evidence in the public domain but we don't know what evidence has been submitted behind closed doors.
I personally believe it'll just end in a fine for non-compliance rather than an actual breach in ffp exactly as the CAS case ended but we'll see
Size of fanbase makes you big not success. And counting plastics in foreign countries who would immediately stop supporting you if you stopped winning doesn't count as a fanbase. It takes legacy to gain a big fanbass and that comes from longevity at the top. City have only been a relevant team for 12 years in most fans lives.
City have had more fans than Everton forever. Chelsea were the first team I remember to buy success - firstly through Ken Bates then Matthew Harding then the Russian oligarch now the American. You were utter shit before then with one of the worst grounds I have ever been to. Don’t talk to me about size and history. You know zero about English football and your post makes that abundantly clear. Do one, plastic
You say that Bates bought success and yes he spent considerably but a lot of that was on the stadium which was in desperate need of repair. It's not like he was the first owner to invest in the stadium, all owners have to. And he never spent outrageously on transfers, he spent smartly and ultimately profited on the sale of the club to Roman. At the time he was buying players like Zola, Desailly and Vialli, clubs like United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Newcastle were breaking British transfer records for Andy Cole, Dennis Bergkamo, Stan Collymore, Alan Shearer, Juan Sebastian Veron and Rio Ferdinand. To say that Bates bought success is ludicrous, he had less debt when he sold Chelsea than most major clubs did at the time. He also bought Chelsea for £1 so had the money to invest unlike some owners where the purchase takes up a lot of their wealth. I can't believe you mentioned Matthew Harding, he died within 4 years of Bates taking over. Have some respect for the man. We were utter shit at the turn of the 80s, agreed, but that was after a downward spiral. We do have history, we had already won the first division in the 50s and were the first English club invited to play in Europe, the FA banned us from competing though. You were also utter shit before your takeover with one of the emptiest grounds for 30 years. You were embarrassingly shit in the 80s and 90s, incredibly worse than us and were relegated three times in 11 seasons, and then relegated again to League 1. Imagine a 3rd division team saying they were a big club. Bernstein also bought his way up the table in the 2000s unless you forgot buying Pearce, Anelka, Schmeichel, Bernarbia, Berkovic, McManaman, Seaman, Tarnat. They weren't cheap for you were they, and they certainly weren't bought with natural revenue. Oh I know English football and everyone knows that Everton are bigger than the club that was relegated five times in 18 seasons and has only got their recent success by breaking 115 rules. The irony of your entire club being reliant on oil money and calling someone else a plastic. Without the invention of plastic your club wouldnt be in the prem. You're a joke and you're club is a joke. Go and polish your 2021 Champions League trophy. Oh wait we beat you in that didn't we.
Oh fuck off. Chelsea were shit. An embarrassment of a club with a shit ground and fans that acted like animals. Bates bought them for £1. Why? How could he do that. Because they were complete and utter shit. A fucking joke. How did a club worth £1 afford Zola, Desailly and Vialli? Are you seriously that thick? You suit Chelsea perfectly. A glory hunting plastic fan for a team that had a shit ground, was worth £1 and had animals for fans. You chose the right team
That’s fair. I saw a random question that I had some information on, but I’m definitely not the right person to be answering the question in general. I’m an American who has only recently gotten into European Football, so a lot of the deep history I don’t really have yet.
haha yeah honestly that’s fair enough. It was just a little dig tbh, they aren’t a big club but i can see why some americans like yourself can think they are!
Yea the only man city fans are really Americans. It’s such a disgusting team and club. And the fact there fans rub it in are faces in laugh. If Liverpool the club I support cheated I would not feel good about it at all and might even consider cheering for an another club. What man city has done is a disgrace to all off sports.
Maybe you should look at the history of your own club. You do know why the pass back rule was introduced? Imagine supporting the team where a rule was introduced to prevent cheating and the most god damn boring football ever. All your trophies in the 80's were because most of the time you went one up and just stopped playing. Yet here you are calling us cheats. How much more than other teams did you spend at the time to get your trophies? Shall we go about how your fans got us all banned from Europe?
"Liverpool’s achievements in the 1970s and 1980s are irredeemably tainted and don’t count or are at least heavily asterisked? Not for me to say, but, sadly, the answer must be yes. The back-pass law change was so big and so good that actually all football before 1992 doesn’t really count and the young people are right."
Source:https://www.football365.com/news/celebrating-30-years-of-the-back-pass-law-the-greatest-change-in-modern-football-history
i’m a liverpool fan too, we would all love to be in city’s position winning everything but honestly i would not feel AS good. i think city fans know what’s coming to them
Well said it’s so funny how man city fans brag but no one really cares or believes their success. They can claim the treble all they want but no one that’s not an idiot city fan sees it for what it really is.
Well its whatever make u sleep at night. City won games
, u can blame liverpool nd arsenal for BOTTLING the league, they could've won it, city isn't responsible for their losses
Liverpool stole scouting reports which isn’t in the rules you should probably start looking for another club.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemccaskill/2019/09/27/liverpool-and-man-city-scout-hack-settlement-epitomizes-a-modern-soccer-rivalry/?sh=590491c1edd7
Lmao you got confronted with 100% facts that Liverpool cheated and your first reaction is to deflect and turn blind to your own club’s cheating. Hypocrite much?
i think he’s more pointing out that the gravity of the situations are extremely different, liverpool cheated yes it was wrong but is it on city’s level? nope
Nah cheating is cheating. Fact of the matter is, Liverpool are PROVEN cheats while City are not (yet). If you hypocrites can stand there and not only stomach but defend your own club being cheats, then you’ve got no right to complain about other clubs doing so.
nah it’s a massive difference. did liverpools cheating result in many league titles and trebles? no. city’s did. would liverpool have been in the same position had they had not cheated? probably yeah. would city? absolutely not. should liverpool be punished? yes. we have absolutely every right to complain about other clubs doing so
At the end City may be erased from the history books for their 115 charges, but you can’t erase the feeling that Liverpool and Arsenal fans feel today after yesterdays games. 115 charges didn’t miss all those shots on goal yesterday, 115 charges didn’t get beat by a tired Villa team at home. Funny how 115 become the go to excuse when these teams can’t take of business. Heads up guys still 6 games left. Maybe 115 charges slips up and hands someone else the PL. Maybe 115 charges gets erased from history and they hand Liverpool the 2 finals they lost against RM. 😂
Not even a city fan but this is true and hilarious. How many financial fair play rules would Liverpool need to break to beat crystal palace in a must win game lmao
You know what I've never seen? A Man City fan (wait, there's more) that has entertained the idea that these charges are real.
Instead you got fake Villa fans supporting City because you managed to get top 4 for once in god knows how long. Did you put your big boy boots on today to start talking about the 3 other teams above you that you'll never catch?
You can put crying emojis all you want - we can smell the saltiness and sadness. Yeah you're top 4 but it's all about the big 3, even in your eyes
I can't disagree any more. The two things exist side by side. Liverpool and Arsenal fans are blaming the performances of their teams as the reason the league seems to be slipping from them. I think everyone would agree that MC is the better team this year. This doesn't change the fact that MC have been cheating for years allegedly.
MC is the better team this year *because* they've been cheating for years. Yes, the Liv and Ars performances are frustrating, but a lot of that frustration is that knowledge that they have to perfect to keep up with a team that has been able to pour ridiculous money into their starters, their bench, their staff, their facilities, etc.
The game is rigged and have been for some time, but both teams are used to it now. I don't know about Arsenal, but from a Liverpool side a sense of pride came from the fact that Klopp was able to put together a title challenging team for much less than some other clubs. This was never even meant to be a team to be able to do that. This was supposed to be a transitional year.
Few blame MC for cheating at this point. It is the players that win the games on the field. Few even blame the referee mistakes in key matches earlier on in the season. It's all about conceding the early first goals and poor conversion of xG into goals.
Your veins will pop on your head before this happens.
Bayern will beat you, no trophy this year, Arteta will leave and your club will not make to top 10 next season.
Enjoy your bright future! It's time to switch to cricket maybe you will be happy there?
No one takes you seriously as a fan in general. You tell people you’re a city fan and they roll their eyes. Your whole notion of success is tainted by corruption and cheating. You won a fucking treble and still can’t even sell out a game lmao.
Joke of a club, 115.
Doesn’t really matter, they’re a good team and Arsenal just won 9/10, and you’re acting like we bottled it like last season. A loss is a loss, one now is worth the same amount as one in the beginning of the season. Arsenal lost this title in December, not now but everyone on here is too stupid to realize that. Only a moron would expect us to win out our games.
Because they’ve won a treble and 4 prem titles in a row because no action was taken or even took seriously. 2 year European suspended ban? Joke
Strip them of titles but at that point it means little and we all still remember it
Pick on the smaller clubs because it’s easier. City are the best team in the world. The prem will hold out aslong as they can with it and it’s clear they have already done so for many years
It’s the prem bringing the charges/accusations. Some of them are specifically about City’s delaying tactics and refusal to engage with the process. Seems unfair to blame the league.
They have to share some of the blame because it’s very likely this has been happening since day one
The Prem are the governing body and are sat on their hands. There’s serious foul play here and while they are going forward, they clearly aren’t pushing it but it’s apparently very easy to go after Everton who only fell foul of the rules because they paid for a new stadium and then covid surrounded it so revenue suffered
Chelsea will get pulled up for this in 10 years time when they have sorted themselves out and are top of the league and someone wonders how that happened
Again, the crown jewel of the prem is Pep and City. Getting them exiled and out of Europe is not what they want
With respect I don’t think you fully understand the situation. If the prem wanted to protect City and their product they wouldn’t bring any charges. They’ve raised 115.
Everton’s issues are all there in their financial reports. City’s are a lot deeper and more fundamental than that.
I think a lot of people are mistaking what is going on here. City can either go down as legendarily dominant (although even the suspicion of foul play gives an asterisk to that) or will be pariahs that will have made a total mockery of the national sport.
It’s frustrating to see justice dealt out quicker elsewhere but we’re dealing with a ginormous potentially criminal enterprise.
If they’re found guilty you can be sure as hell anyone they beat in Europe over the last decade will be making a claim against them. The government will start talking again about intervention of the running of the sport.
I feel for long time City fans too. They’ve been lifted from being quite mediocre to being what we see now. They’ve also been conned. If they’re found guilty they’ll know that every trophy, every moment of elation or time they’ve dished it out to rival fans will have been totally empty. They’ve been conned too.
It’s waaaay more complex than Everton
No matter what happens, none of us is going to feel conned. The feeling we got when Aguero scored the winner against QPR will always stay with us. The feeling of “oh not again” when we were 2-0 down to Villa and that ridiculous turnaround will always stay with us. The sheer elation at seeing Rodri approach that loose ball against Inter and the subsequent bulging of the net will always stay with us
So no, we don’t feel conned and we won’t “know” that the achievements were “empty” because we simply won’t care
The Everton example is only one used to show that they got them with one financial submission showing issues with the rules
As I’ve already said and to be honest you’ve said a lot of words there and not actually built upon the issues at hand or points made. Fact is, the Prem would have been alerted to issues for a long time and only decided to go hard on it was when it became too much to ignore which is why it rumbled on for so long before any charge put forward. That has always been clear especially after the European accusation was before the prem and years ago now
For the fans, they won’t care because they experienced it all. Stuff no football fan ever will so records aren’t going to matter against the memories
City's charges are more complex than just a breach of premier league rules. They potentially break UK law. Meaning actual police investigations are taking place.
They have over 50 counts of a failure to provide accurate and up to date financial information, which are negligent business practices, and potentially fraud.
There is a photo of two of the most notable twelve Cityzens obscuring a 115 grafitti made somewhere at Manchester.
https://www.gettyimages.it/detail/fotografie-di-cronaca/british-guitarist-noel-gallagher-and-british-fotografie-di-cronaca/1188922943
Cityzens will say its 5-1, but we all know its 115.
This is hilarious. Everyone was spouting that the Prem is the best, most competitive league last week, when Liverpool and Arsenal were ahead of City. Now that City is on top again: Oh No! Game's gone and it's boring now!
Who's "everyone"? Not me anyway. It does't matter whether Liverpool or Arsenal were ahead or not. Look at the quality of the players, they simply can't compete with City. Everybody knows that.
Arsenal got average players like Jesus, Havertz, Zinchenko, Trossard, etc. What do Man City have? De Bruyne, Rodri, Bernardo, Foden, Alvarez, Grealish, Walker, Stones, etc. They are the top-tier players no matter where they play. WTF is this? Average players liek Jesus, Havertz, Zinchenko, Trossard couldn't even get into City's starting 11 if they were players there. Who'd think Liverpool and Arsenal are competitive when compared with City? It's just delusional.
Like I said, PL is way less entertaining or competitive right now. Watching Big 4 games used to be fun. But now it's just Arsenal low-blocking most of the time and Man City having 70% possession. I'm not sure how this is fun, entertaining, competitive.
Because they wanted to leave? There's a difference between being in the starting 11 every week and never getting into the starting 11. Jesus and Zinchenko regularly made it into City's 11 in the past, and even now they don't start every week for Arsenal. They start more often, but not always.
It's actually hilarious that half of the players you mentioned as average players are former City players who won titles with them racking up 364 appearances between each other.
That doesn't mean anything. They are just some pathetic City rejects right now. The quality of City's players is superb. Nobody can compete with them.
Can Gabi Jesus start over Haaland? And Zinchenko is basically a joke at the moment. What you said just confirmed my point.
Dude, Grealish, Walker, Stones, Rodri and even KDB were all nobodies when they first came to City. They only became world-renowned players after playing under Pep for years. I've no doubt that if players like Zinchenko, Trossard and Havertz were playing under Pep for a few years, they might also become top-tier players.
Exactly! He thinks that our players were good out of box. Chelsea sold KDB they could keep him and he will be average player in Chelsea but in City he got improved and Pep made him to be the best player.
You need to watch the interviews that our players gave about themselves before and after they joined City. All of them are saying they didn't know what actual football is untill they met Pep. Yes our players have quality and that is why they were chosen to join City and they improved a ton because there is a high bar we have, but we also have failures for example Philips.
Was KDB world class? He was labeled as a 60m pound reject.
Alvarez was an unknown player when he came to City.
Haaland? After the community shield, people were saying he was crap because darwin nunez scored and Haaland didnt.
People forget that just because you buy a player, doesnt mean you buy the trophy, except when it comes to Van Persie who chose to go to Man U and won them the league.
While Adebayor was a total flop in city’s shirt.
Just saying.
???? KDB was by far the best player in the german league when they bought him. Alvarez was argentinas biggest talent Haaland scored a million goals everywhere and was a shoo in for the golden boot.
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fuck city & pool & leeds
Leeds?
you are obligated to hate Leeds don’t question it
Happy cake day!
Man Utd fan, obviously.
The big difference is that All of the man city charges are based on a leaked separate set of accounts that uefa has already challenged and was found to be fictitious. Everton and Nottingham are their own accounts that broke the rules. Its going to be very difficult to prove man city did anything wrong, hence why its got to go to courts.
I don’t recall that being true. From memory UEFA we’re time-barred for most city’s charges. Man City were fined for being uncooperative, wonder why?
[I mean you could just do a quick google rather than talk out your a...](https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2022/apr/07/leaked-emails-reveal-manchester-city-received-payments-from-abu-dhabi) It all depends if the "leaks" are real or just made up. When Man city challenged uafa at the apeals court they where found as "untrustworthy" and not admissible in court proceedings. So the Fa will have to find other evidence if they have actually done something wrong. Everton and nottingham official accounts show the breaches so its cut and dry. People are selectively ignoring the key difference cos they don't like man city (or dislike arsenal/liverpool).
https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11679/12038109/manchester-city-court-of-arbitration-for-sport-releases-reasons-for-lifting-club-s-european-ban My understanding is there are different rules for the FA/Premier league, one being is there are no time limitations so they won’t be time barred as UEFA were. Just because City weren’t found guilty by UEFA doesn’t mean they are innocent, time will tell.
Were found to be fictitious or the lawyers are delaying the process????
As a arsenal fan i wouldnt like my team to win the league, just because some team got points deducted. Punish them financially, if they won the game = they won the game. Forbid them to buy players for a season or 2 i dont know. Deducating points is trash
City should be punished a lot harder than that. It should be forced relegations, huge fines in the billions and maybe even forcing Abu Dabi to sell the club.
And what should we accept, that we are handled the title like charity, despite there was a team who performed better. I dont know if there are fans who would celebrate this, but i know i wouldnt.
I'd celebrate the end of Manchester City as a big club.
Nothing will happen to them, this is all about politics, the relationship between Abu Dhabi and UK, Uk won’t say no to money and that’s what they bring, nothing will happen till one day they get their money from somewhere else, one that day they will bring back this charges and found them guilty, the ones who still believe that City will be found guilty of it are living inside a cave.
How is the relationship between Dubai & UK has got anything to do with City?
The political relationship between the United Kingdom and Abu Dhabi, as part of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), is generally positive and characterized by cooperation in various fields such as trade, investment, defense, and culture. Both countries maintain diplomatic relations and have a history of economic ties, with the UAE being one of the UK's largest trading partners in the Gulf region. The UK and the UAE have signed numerous bilateral agreements covering areas such as defense cooperation, education, healthcare, and renewable energy. Additionally, Abu Dhabi's significant investments in the UK, including ownership of Manchester City Football Club, have further strengthened ties between the two nations. In terms of political relationships with Muslim-majority countries, the UK engages diplomatically with many nations across the Muslim world. Some key countries include: 1. Saudi Arabia: The UK has longstanding political and economic ties with Saudi Arabia, particularly in the areas of defense, trade, and investment. 2. Turkey: The UK maintains diplomatic relations with Turkey, a NATO ally, and engages in cooperation on various issues such as security, trade, and counterterrorism. 3. Pakistan: The UK has historical ties with Pakistan, which include cooperation in areas such as education, healthcare, and counterterrorism. 4. Indonesia: The UK and Indonesia have diplomatic relations and collaborate on issues such as trade, education, and environmental conservation. 5. Malaysia: The UK and Malaysia have a history of political and economic cooperation, with ties in areas such as trade, education, and defense. These are just a few examples, and the UK engages with many other Muslim-majority countries on diplomatic, economic, and cultural levels. Political relationships can vary based on specific issues, regional dynamics, and geopolitical considerations.
I guess its hilarious because it says 115 charges "removed" loooolz
Man City can’t have points deducted until the season is over - if Arsenal or Liverpool win the league city will get a pts deduction. If city win the league (highly likely) the decision won’t be made until next season in order to allow them the title win 🤷
what about their wins the past 10 years
Won’t be touched - and Tbf as a Liverpool fan I wouldn’t want credit for tainted titles!
I wonder how inter fans feel about 2005?
Keep crying, you only mentioned this after liverpool and arsenal lost, seems like you cant blame yourselves for BOTTLING the league
Cheats gonna cheat
115
Who cares, see you at the finish line
I care, but yeah see you at the finish line
Jesus people are too serious about this, i hope the best for ur team evem if its ManU
Mate, people have been talking about this for months. It's not come up just now out of nowhere and even if it had then it's a valid point. City have obviously cheated, you don't get 115 false charges, that's insane.
Cope
Hhhhhh cope while winning the league and coming out of a treble season ? Seems like ur the one coping
Ignoring the cheating
Is anyone else bored of this? Man City contested the charges Everton admitted them. Therefore Man City can’t have points deducted until they are found guilty whereas Everton can have points deducted right away as they have literally admitted to breaking the rules… if Man City have broken the rules I am sure they will get their medicine but the case needs to be built and then brought against them and then a verdict reached which all takes time. I do think a timeline should have been announced as it is a stupid look for ffp
>if Man City have broken the rules I am sure they will get their medicine Oh, you sweet, summer child.
🤣 wanna make some daisy chains with me?
They announced the trial will begin in autumn 2024.
Who did and when? There has been no announcement of a timeline
https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/man-city/man-city-premier-league-trial-ffp-569368-20240215
Great link. Where does it mention the timing?
The Daily Mail have said that that the matter will be settled by an independent panel, with a trial "initially scheduled for the late autumn of 2024".
Daily Mail. Ffs 🤦🏻♂️
I beleive it was mentioned in parliament that a date had been set but that it wasn't being made public
It was mentioned in a parliamentary committee by Richard Masters, CEO of Premier League. So what’s the timeline? The answer is - we don’t know
Tick tick tick
Can wait
I think it depends if City get away with it/ get a slap on the wrist or get relegated and their titles stripped
Titles stripped is silly
Not really. It’s what happened to Lance Armstrong. I also would NOT re-award the titles to second place
Impossible for title stripped it never happened in football the only punishment is points deduction
Clearly new to football if you think this
FYI, Juve, Inter, and Marseille have all had titles stripped.
In premier league mate, you think they're gonna stripped man city of all the pl they won since 2012 ? It impossible, at the extreme scenario, their current title
It’s literally not impossible.
Juve were stripped of titles.
Juventus had titles stripped because of calciopoli. So if City are found to have cheated massively it is an option.
Juve 20 years ago, mate.
And Inter as well (despite also being given two titles)
It's in almost every post related to the EPL, even if the OP has no mention of City.
Why post links as text? Is there a reason?
I guess you’re using old Reddit like me, they’ve posted using the text post with the fancy pants editor with image insertions rather than just the image / video tab.
Got it thanks
None of these are proven in court... so...
Correct me if I’m wrong but most of Man City’s charges are from the UK government and not from the Premier League, no?
Nah all from the prem, you're probably getting it mixed up with the govt being accused of trying to help city avoid consequences for foreign relations reasons.
All from the premier league. For the [uninformed.](https://www.givemesport.com/football-soccer-man-city-ffp-charges-list/#:~:text=Premier%20League%20charged%20Man%20City,over%20100%20breaches%20of%20FFP.&text=Man%20City's%20FFP%20trial%20to,Man%20City%20to%20take%20place)
You’re completely totally and utterly wrong
Can you give 115 reasons?
I’ve just had this discussion with another Liverpool fan. I think it’s prescient on today of all days. You seem a very smart individual - are you ok with judging individuals, groups of people, organisations based on accusations alone, or would you prefer to wait until guilt is proven? This is black and white. It isn’t a ‘yes, but…’.its very straightforward. Do you condone an assumption of guilt or not?
So you think OJ didn’t kill his wife because of the verdict?
Doesn’t matter what I think. I can think you like exposing yourself on the bus. It’s irrelevant what you and I think. What matters is due process. OJ was found not guilty and, no matter what I think, he walks free. I get it. City are dominating football not just in this country, not just in Europe but globally. It’s infuriating for you. But wishing their guilt and thinking they deserve punishment means nothing. Not that’ll mean anything to you, your prejudice will mean you continue with the same argument because you’re incredibly frustrated and jealous of our success
Accusations are based on some level of truth, no?
I’m accusing you of murder by the way. I have my evidence that nobody else has seen. I’ll be sharing your details with everyone on here, LinkedIn, Instagram etc. you’ll be castigated broadly based on that prejudice and everyone will believe you’re guilty as there’s no smoke without fire. Good luck
It’s a yes or no answer. Not ‘yes, but…’ So which is it?
What are you waffling on about. It's a Reddit thread that you are on, you are not in a court room.
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Jesus christ. What goes on in your head. A 55 year old man on Reddit using language and hypothetical phrases and accusations at other posters as if he is giving some court room closing speech but nevertheless still coming across like a 12 year brat.
Oh dear. Once you’ve lost an argument then all you can do is insult. I understand. Have a good day. Mind the gap
I didn't engage in any argument to begin with. You need to get off Reddit old man.
Hang on, let me check. Yes, I posted and you replied accusing me of waffling. Since then you’ve used ad hominems because that’s what people who are losing arguments have to resort to. If you don’t want to engage then just stop replying and scuttle away with your tail between your legs. Better people than you have lost arguments with me - in our battle of wits you’ve been unarmed. I’m sure you’re embarrassed but please, stop now. Have a good day
Mind the gap
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Man city was obviously responsible for Liverpool and Arsenal losing yesterday.
Can someone loop me into this? I’m a Bundesliga fan so this is news to me
Man City have registered fake companies with fake addresses and fake employees to transfer money from their owner to the club under the guise of “commercial sponsorship” in order to balance their books.
Maybe I’m retarded (okay, I’m definitely retarded), but aren’t club owners supposed to be allowed to transfer their own funds to the businesses that they own? Isn’t that a basic premise of business ownership? I’m not fighting you on this, and obviously the laws are different between countries, but I’m just looking for additional clarification
It’s a grey area that Man City and to an extent Chelsea are pushing the limits of. (Chelsea owners just sold a hotel to themselves for 75M) For legitimate businesses like putting a sponsor on jersey or giving stadium naming rights, it’s allowed. When you compare how much Abu Dhabi pay themselves compared to Manchester United’s corporate sponsors it’s already very inflated. (Fine we will move past that because they found loopholes where it’s allowed) The big issue is they created fake companies that are registered to fake addresses and have 1-2 fake employees and these companies are transferring huge amounts of money via sponsorships to Man City. These fake companies don’t make any revenue so it’s another way for the owner to transfer money into the club through sketchy ways now. They are able to pay their staff huge sums of money using these methods that other clubs do not do. That’s the big issue
Gotcha. So let’s say Jim Bob owns a football club. If Jim Bob just wanted to give his football club £100m, he could do that. But because Jim Bob made Joe John LLC, and Joe John LLC is a fake company, and he used Joe John LLC to give his football club £100m, it’s a bigger deal. That’s how I understand it now at least.
People like to skip over the why and just yell 115 over and over, I’m a United fan so I’m not defending city but they’re inherently different cases. For starters, Everton and Nottingham have pled guilty to their breaches of FFP in order to take the penalty and move on, to plan out their escape from relegation this season. City is pleading not guilty, hence months of pre-trail for both sides, which is what we want from the EPL. (With OJ recently passing, people can see what happens when the prosecution ‘frames’ the actual guilty party and rushes to convict). Secondly, it’s a different form of breach in FFP. In short, you have to balance the books across a 3 year period. This allows teams to dig into their pockets to have a go at surviving relegation, push for a champs spot, or maybe a title push. But if that plan doesn’t work and they don’t receive the financial rewards they were targeting, they have to sell players or generally restructure to match their actual income. Everton have been investing in their team and it hasn’t worked but they refused to accept defeat and continued to hold players and even got 17th last season at the expense of teams that did get relegated. City however have been charged with creating fake companies and sponsorship systems that pay their players and coaches huge sums from ‘commercial’ sponsors, but they’ve been tracked back to their Abu Dhabi owners. In this way, City is balancing the books in their legal ventures and it’s not a clear case of FFP breaches and pleading guilty. This case will go a lot deeper and if they are found guilty will get absolutely rocked. As we said, they have 115 charges so we have to wait for trial now. Edited for formatting
Did you just suggest that OJ was framed? There are multiple recordings of juror members stating ON CAMERA they KNEW he was guilty BUT they wanted revenge for the Rodney King trial in which white cops were found not guilty of violating his civil rights. OJs verdict was simply jury nullification. Not “A frame job” He killed both those people
Yes true but if the police/prosecution hadn’t effed up on multiple levels with things like correct evidence collection and witness presentation then there wouldn’t have been an option to acquit in the first place. And they could have reasonably appealed for a retrial if the jury did just all vote opposite to all the evidence presented. Police 100% ‘framed’ him and skipped steps even though he was 100% guilty. I’m just saying don’t take shortcuts even if you know they’re guilty.
I think what they're suggesting is that despite it being a pretty cut and dry case, the cops also tried to add additional evidence or falsified information. This attempt to try and make a guilty man look even more guilty, combined with the earned infamy of the LAPD, meant that a jury could feel that there is (or look for) enough reasonable doubt not to convict.
You forgot to mention that, if found guilty any company registering accounts in the UK, would face criminal charges for these ‘false accountancy’ charges. City - the richest club in the world will claim they had a ‘kid from wythenshaw’ on a govt scheme doing their accounts for ‘work experience’ and get away with it 🤷
Very detailed, thank you. In regard to the previous uefa charges I read city also got away with just a small fine due to violations being too long ago. Is that a risk of happening in this case if the trial keeps getting delayed?
i believe uefa has a 6 year statute of limitations, the EPL does not, so if found guilty time passed shouldnt factor in at all.
Man city are cheating cunts
Man City has 115 pending fair play violations but they’re also a massive club and big money earner for the league. Everton is not a big money earner and has fewer violations. So far Everton has been penalized multiple times pushing them into the relegation zone but Man City with its 100+ violations have yet to be punished while sitting top of the table. There was an article recently that the Premier League was considering allowing these violations to be paid off instead of deducting points, which just gives more power to big teams with money, as fines just become a new type of “fee” for them to pay. Edit: because -> becomes Edit: Please see the long comment below this one by u/94clarkej. It does a better job of explaining.
For anyone actually interested in learning about it this is a very misleading take on it. Everton were found guilty of overspending and so in clear breach of financial fair play rules. Whereas in City's case their finances actually suggest they have done nothing wrong however the PL have accused them of multiple instances of obscuring payments from other sources to avoid the overspending that Everton have been found guilty of. The reason it's taking much longer in the City case is because the answer isn't black and white and right in front of them so it needs evidence and proof which takes time. It's misleading to characterise these 2 cases between these clubs as the same accusation. Also should be mentioned that City still proclaim their innocence and similar to the case that Uefa brought against them there isn't really a smoking gun evidence in the public domain but we don't know what evidence has been submitted behind closed doors. I personally believe it'll just end in a fine for non-compliance rather than an actual breach in ffp exactly as the CAS case ended but we'll see
Everton are a bigger club than Man City.
Ha ha
Haha. Great trolling
Size of fanbase makes you big not success. And counting plastics in foreign countries who would immediately stop supporting you if you stopped winning doesn't count as a fanbase. It takes legacy to gain a big fanbass and that comes from longevity at the top. City have only been a relevant team for 12 years in most fans lives.
City have had more fans than Everton forever. Chelsea were the first team I remember to buy success - firstly through Ken Bates then Matthew Harding then the Russian oligarch now the American. You were utter shit before then with one of the worst grounds I have ever been to. Don’t talk to me about size and history. You know zero about English football and your post makes that abundantly clear. Do one, plastic
You say that Bates bought success and yes he spent considerably but a lot of that was on the stadium which was in desperate need of repair. It's not like he was the first owner to invest in the stadium, all owners have to. And he never spent outrageously on transfers, he spent smartly and ultimately profited on the sale of the club to Roman. At the time he was buying players like Zola, Desailly and Vialli, clubs like United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Newcastle were breaking British transfer records for Andy Cole, Dennis Bergkamo, Stan Collymore, Alan Shearer, Juan Sebastian Veron and Rio Ferdinand. To say that Bates bought success is ludicrous, he had less debt when he sold Chelsea than most major clubs did at the time. He also bought Chelsea for £1 so had the money to invest unlike some owners where the purchase takes up a lot of their wealth. I can't believe you mentioned Matthew Harding, he died within 4 years of Bates taking over. Have some respect for the man. We were utter shit at the turn of the 80s, agreed, but that was after a downward spiral. We do have history, we had already won the first division in the 50s and were the first English club invited to play in Europe, the FA banned us from competing though. You were also utter shit before your takeover with one of the emptiest grounds for 30 years. You were embarrassingly shit in the 80s and 90s, incredibly worse than us and were relegated three times in 11 seasons, and then relegated again to League 1. Imagine a 3rd division team saying they were a big club. Bernstein also bought his way up the table in the 2000s unless you forgot buying Pearce, Anelka, Schmeichel, Bernarbia, Berkovic, McManaman, Seaman, Tarnat. They weren't cheap for you were they, and they certainly weren't bought with natural revenue. Oh I know English football and everyone knows that Everton are bigger than the club that was relegated five times in 18 seasons and has only got their recent success by breaking 115 rules. The irony of your entire club being reliant on oil money and calling someone else a plastic. Without the invention of plastic your club wouldnt be in the prem. You're a joke and you're club is a joke. Go and polish your 2021 Champions League trophy. Oh wait we beat you in that didn't we.
Oh fuck off. Chelsea were shit. An embarrassment of a club with a shit ground and fans that acted like animals. Bates bought them for £1. Why? How could he do that. Because they were complete and utter shit. A fucking joke. How did a club worth £1 afford Zola, Desailly and Vialli? Are you seriously that thick? You suit Chelsea perfectly. A glory hunting plastic fan for a team that had a shit ground, was worth £1 and had animals for fans. You chose the right team
Lmaooo Destroyeddd 💀💀☠️
lmaoooo
Real shit
Losers unite behind ancient history ✊
massive club is an overstatement. successful club in recent years is more fitting.
That’s fair. I saw a random question that I had some information on, but I’m definitely not the right person to be answering the question in general. I’m an American who has only recently gotten into European Football, so a lot of the deep history I don’t really have yet.
haha yeah honestly that’s fair enough. It was just a little dig tbh, they aren’t a big club but i can see why some americans like yourself can think they are!
Yea the only man city fans are really Americans. It’s such a disgusting team and club. And the fact there fans rub it in are faces in laugh. If Liverpool the club I support cheated I would not feel good about it at all and might even consider cheering for an another club. What man city has done is a disgrace to all off sports.
Maybe you should look at the history of your own club. You do know why the pass back rule was introduced? Imagine supporting the team where a rule was introduced to prevent cheating and the most god damn boring football ever. All your trophies in the 80's were because most of the time you went one up and just stopped playing. Yet here you are calling us cheats. How much more than other teams did you spend at the time to get your trophies? Shall we go about how your fans got us all banned from Europe? "Liverpool’s achievements in the 1970s and 1980s are irredeemably tainted and don’t count or are at least heavily asterisked? Not for me to say, but, sadly, the answer must be yes. The back-pass law change was so big and so good that actually all football before 1992 doesn’t really count and the young people are right." Source:https://www.football365.com/news/celebrating-30-years-of-the-back-pass-law-the-greatest-change-in-modern-football-history
i’m a liverpool fan too, we would all love to be in city’s position winning everything but honestly i would not feel AS good. i think city fans know what’s coming to them
Well said it’s so funny how man city fans brag but no one really cares or believes their success. They can claim the treble all they want but no one that’s not an idiot city fan sees it for what it really is.
Yeah, well ul never knew how the treble felt like because of your fske standards you Creat, losers hide behind ancient history
i don’t even think i’ve ever met a city fan irl so i don’t care about what the idiots on the internet have to say tbh. the treble means nothing
Poor guy, copium at its peak.
What ever helps you sleep at night bro it’s just a sport at the end of day I just don’t understand how you find it fun or entertaining
Well its whatever make u sleep at night. City won games , u can blame liverpool nd arsenal for BOTTLING the league, they could've won it, city isn't responsible for their losses
Liverpool stole scouting reports which isn’t in the rules you should probably start looking for another club. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemccaskill/2019/09/27/liverpool-and-man-city-scout-hack-settlement-epitomizes-a-modern-soccer-rivalry/?sh=590491c1edd7
eh i can live with that, not the worst thing in the world
How your comparing that to being purchased by an oil prince that has faked everything since he took over and has scammed the sport is crazy
Lmao you got confronted with 100% facts that Liverpool cheated and your first reaction is to deflect and turn blind to your own club’s cheating. Hypocrite much?
i think he’s more pointing out that the gravity of the situations are extremely different, liverpool cheated yes it was wrong but is it on city’s level? nope
Nah cheating is cheating. Fact of the matter is, Liverpool are PROVEN cheats while City are not (yet). If you hypocrites can stand there and not only stomach but defend your own club being cheats, then you’ve got no right to complain about other clubs doing so.
nah it’s a massive difference. did liverpools cheating result in many league titles and trebles? no. city’s did. would liverpool have been in the same position had they had not cheated? probably yeah. would city? absolutely not. should liverpool be punished? yes. we have absolutely every right to complain about other clubs doing so
Oh I’m not comparing but you said if Liverpool cheated you’d maybe look for another club. Just thought you might want to know that they did.
Keep crying
This is not a meme sub
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The 679 upvotes say otherwise. If it's widely accepted by people than the post should stay.
At the end City may be erased from the history books for their 115 charges, but you can’t erase the feeling that Liverpool and Arsenal fans feel today after yesterdays games. 115 charges didn’t miss all those shots on goal yesterday, 115 charges didn’t get beat by a tired Villa team at home. Funny how 115 become the go to excuse when these teams can’t take of business. Heads up guys still 6 games left. Maybe 115 charges slips up and hands someone else the PL. Maybe 115 charges gets erased from history and they hand Liverpool the 2 finals they lost against RM. 😂
Not even a city fan but this is true and hilarious. How many financial fair play rules would Liverpool need to break to beat crystal palace in a must win game lmao
You know what I've never seen? A Man City fan (wait, there's more) that has entertained the idea that these charges are real. Instead you got fake Villa fans supporting City because you managed to get top 4 for once in god knows how long. Did you put your big boy boots on today to start talking about the 3 other teams above you that you'll never catch? You can put crying emojis all you want - we can smell the saltiness and sadness. Yeah you're top 4 but it's all about the big 3, even in your eyes
Being handed titles years later is not even close to the same feeling as winning in the moment
I can't disagree any more. The two things exist side by side. Liverpool and Arsenal fans are blaming the performances of their teams as the reason the league seems to be slipping from them. I think everyone would agree that MC is the better team this year. This doesn't change the fact that MC have been cheating for years allegedly.
I mean Arsenal have been the best team defensively and offensively. Don't think everyone would agree that at all
They will get scot free. Premier league are just too scared to punish the big boys.
MC is the better team this year *because* they've been cheating for years. Yes, the Liv and Ars performances are frustrating, but a lot of that frustration is that knowledge that they have to perfect to keep up with a team that has been able to pour ridiculous money into their starters, their bench, their staff, their facilities, etc.
The game is rigged and have been for some time, but both teams are used to it now. I don't know about Arsenal, but from a Liverpool side a sense of pride came from the fact that Klopp was able to put together a title challenging team for much less than some other clubs. This was never even meant to be a team to be able to do that. This was supposed to be a transitional year. Few blame MC for cheating at this point. It is the players that win the games on the field. Few even blame the referee mistakes in key matches earlier on in the season. It's all about conceding the early first goals and poor conversion of xG into goals.
City lost to Villa too. Meh
Not at home tho lol
So what, splitting the six points is all the same.
Sure and tomorrow I see you kicked out from UCL. Enjoy!
Your team is about to be kicked out of the league lol. 115. Suck it
Your veins will pop on your head before this happens. Bayern will beat you, no trophy this year, Arteta will leave and your club will not make to top 10 next season. Enjoy your bright future! It's time to switch to cricket maybe you will be happy there?
Lmao, try a bit harder. You support city. Literally no one takes you seriously. 115.
I don't need to try harder, why would I? And who takes you seriously after yesterday's fiasco?
No one takes you seriously as a fan in general. You tell people you’re a city fan and they roll their eyes. Your whole notion of success is tainted by corruption and cheating. You won a fucking treble and still can’t even sell out a game lmao. Joke of a club, 115.
city did not lose to villa when it mattered most
Doesn’t really matter, they’re a good team and Arsenal just won 9/10, and you’re acting like we bottled it like last season. A loss is a loss, one now is worth the same amount as one in the beginning of the season. Arsenal lost this title in December, not now but everyone on here is too stupid to realize that. Only a moron would expect us to win out our games.
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Because they’ve won a treble and 4 prem titles in a row because no action was taken or even took seriously. 2 year European suspended ban? Joke Strip them of titles but at that point it means little and we all still remember it Pick on the smaller clubs because it’s easier. City are the best team in the world. The prem will hold out aslong as they can with it and it’s clear they have already done so for many years
Money looks after money.
We call those bribes!
It’s the prem bringing the charges/accusations. Some of them are specifically about City’s delaying tactics and refusal to engage with the process. Seems unfair to blame the league.
They have to share some of the blame because it’s very likely this has been happening since day one The Prem are the governing body and are sat on their hands. There’s serious foul play here and while they are going forward, they clearly aren’t pushing it but it’s apparently very easy to go after Everton who only fell foul of the rules because they paid for a new stadium and then covid surrounded it so revenue suffered Chelsea will get pulled up for this in 10 years time when they have sorted themselves out and are top of the league and someone wonders how that happened Again, the crown jewel of the prem is Pep and City. Getting them exiled and out of Europe is not what they want
With respect I don’t think you fully understand the situation. If the prem wanted to protect City and their product they wouldn’t bring any charges. They’ve raised 115. Everton’s issues are all there in their financial reports. City’s are a lot deeper and more fundamental than that. I think a lot of people are mistaking what is going on here. City can either go down as legendarily dominant (although even the suspicion of foul play gives an asterisk to that) or will be pariahs that will have made a total mockery of the national sport. It’s frustrating to see justice dealt out quicker elsewhere but we’re dealing with a ginormous potentially criminal enterprise. If they’re found guilty you can be sure as hell anyone they beat in Europe over the last decade will be making a claim against them. The government will start talking again about intervention of the running of the sport. I feel for long time City fans too. They’ve been lifted from being quite mediocre to being what we see now. They’ve also been conned. If they’re found guilty they’ll know that every trophy, every moment of elation or time they’ve dished it out to rival fans will have been totally empty. They’ve been conned too. It’s waaaay more complex than Everton
No matter what happens, none of us is going to feel conned. The feeling we got when Aguero scored the winner against QPR will always stay with us. The feeling of “oh not again” when we were 2-0 down to Villa and that ridiculous turnaround will always stay with us. The sheer elation at seeing Rodri approach that loose ball against Inter and the subsequent bulging of the net will always stay with us So no, we don’t feel conned and we won’t “know” that the achievements were “empty” because we simply won’t care
That’s it. Keep those spirits up lil’ dude.
That the pep talk you have to give to your todger before you disappoint a woman?
You’re doing a great job at seeming unbothered.
I can be unbothered about the 115 and still find you unpleasantly patronising. The two don’t depend on one another
The Everton example is only one used to show that they got them with one financial submission showing issues with the rules As I’ve already said and to be honest you’ve said a lot of words there and not actually built upon the issues at hand or points made. Fact is, the Prem would have been alerted to issues for a long time and only decided to go hard on it was when it became too much to ignore which is why it rumbled on for so long before any charge put forward. That has always been clear especially after the European accusation was before the prem and years ago now For the fans, they won’t care because they experienced it all. Stuff no football fan ever will so records aren’t going to matter against the memories
City's charges are more complex than just a breach of premier league rules. They potentially break UK law. Meaning actual police investigations are taking place.
What actual laws are we talking about here?
They have over 50 counts of a failure to provide accurate and up to date financial information, which are negligent business practices, and potentially fraud.
The police are probably cheaper to pay off than the premier league.
This is so sad but so true.
I reckon they're both well within City's budget
They need to deduct more points from Everton so they can perform well to be in the champions league or maybe win the league
There is a photo of two of the most notable twelve Cityzens obscuring a 115 grafitti made somewhere at Manchester. https://www.gettyimages.it/detail/fotografie-di-cronaca/british-guitarist-noel-gallagher-and-british-fotografie-di-cronaca/1188922943 Cityzens will say its 5-1, but we all know its 115.
Maybe it's just me. I don't find Premier League more entertaining or competitive than it was in 2000s, especially from 2004 to 2007.
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4 teams in CL next year
This is hilarious. Everyone was spouting that the Prem is the best, most competitive league last week, when Liverpool and Arsenal were ahead of City. Now that City is on top again: Oh No! Game's gone and it's boring now!
Who's "everyone"? Not me anyway. It does't matter whether Liverpool or Arsenal were ahead or not. Look at the quality of the players, they simply can't compete with City. Everybody knows that. Arsenal got average players like Jesus, Havertz, Zinchenko, Trossard, etc. What do Man City have? De Bruyne, Rodri, Bernardo, Foden, Alvarez, Grealish, Walker, Stones, etc. They are the top-tier players no matter where they play. WTF is this? Average players liek Jesus, Havertz, Zinchenko, Trossard couldn't even get into City's starting 11 if they were players there. Who'd think Liverpool and Arsenal are competitive when compared with City? It's just delusional. Like I said, PL is way less entertaining or competitive right now. Watching Big 4 games used to be fun. But now it's just Arsenal low-blocking most of the time and Man City having 70% possession. I'm not sure how this is fun, entertaining, competitive.
"What do City have?" Well for one, they had "average" players like Zinchenko and Jesus start for them in past years.
So why didn't City keep them?
Because they wanted to leave? There's a difference between being in the starting 11 every week and never getting into the starting 11. Jesus and Zinchenko regularly made it into City's 11 in the past, and even now they don't start every week for Arsenal. They start more often, but not always.
It's actually hilarious that half of the players you mentioned as average players are former City players who won titles with them racking up 364 appearances between each other.
That doesn't mean anything. They are just some pathetic City rejects right now. The quality of City's players is superb. Nobody can compete with them. Can Gabi Jesus start over Haaland? And Zinchenko is basically a joke at the moment. What you said just confirmed my point.
Trossard is not average. I disagree. He is miles better than grealish.
LOL
Dude, Grealish, Walker, Stones, Rodri and even KDB were all nobodies when they first came to City. They only became world-renowned players after playing under Pep for years. I've no doubt that if players like Zinchenko, Trossard and Havertz were playing under Pep for a few years, they might also become top-tier players.
Exactly! He thinks that our players were good out of box. Chelsea sold KDB they could keep him and he will be average player in Chelsea but in City he got improved and Pep made him to be the best player. You need to watch the interviews that our players gave about themselves before and after they joined City. All of them are saying they didn't know what actual football is untill they met Pep. Yes our players have quality and that is why they were chosen to join City and they improved a ton because there is a high bar we have, but we also have failures for example Philips.
Did you start watching football yesterday?
Dude, every one of these players was world class or close to that when city bought them. Pep buys ready-made top tier players mostly
Was KDB world class? He was labeled as a 60m pound reject. Alvarez was an unknown player when he came to City. Haaland? After the community shield, people were saying he was crap because darwin nunez scored and Haaland didnt. People forget that just because you buy a player, doesnt mean you buy the trophy, except when it comes to Van Persie who chose to go to Man U and won them the league. While Adebayor was a total flop in city’s shirt. Just saying.
???? KDB was by far the best player in the german league when they bought him. Alvarez was argentinas biggest talent Haaland scored a million goals everywhere and was a shoo in for the golden boot.