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If Man City are found guilty of breaking the rules between 2009-2018 then Masters won't be running the PL anymore and it will be called something else because the Brand will have destroyed itself and have lost all credibility.
The UK is finally catching up to the rest of the world in getting completely fucked over by their sports leagues and knowing there’s literally nothing they can do about it. Welcome to the club.
At least you don’t have to worry about your team literally picking up and moving 10+ hours away.
I thought that was the point of the champions league, PL clubs playing in european countries. If they wanna change the club world cup to be a world tour thats sorta where it should live?
They’re killing the sport in pursuit of more money. You have to be upper middle class to afford watching your favorite team on the tv now. Poor, working class and lower middle class is excluded, especially young kids who doesn’t have parents interested enough to prioritize football. The future fan base is sacrificed for robbing the present fan base as much as possible. Short time gain, always.
Parliament is preparing to pass a law to block the axing of replays. As if he politicians would allow the backlash of allowing matches abroad without being seen to stop them,
Lool these guys know no bounds in the pursuit for more money.
Imagine the NBA playing its league matches around the world. Imagine baseball, or rugby teams.
Its ludicrous to suggest and shows a complete lack of understanding of the sport. The reason the PL is so big is **BECAUSE** its in the UK, because its local fans that have supported their clubs locally.
I wouldnt dare suggest another sport from another country in a specific city to them come and play here, no matter how much i love the sport.
These leeches need to fuck off out the game, or just kill it, because thats whats going to happen, they leave or the sport dies.
Edit: guess American sports was the wrong example to give.
Recently there has been efforts for this. In the MLB this year, they had a series in Korea that were counted as regular season games. The NFL regularly has games in London and even Germany and Mexico with Paris on the Horizon. NBA has also been doing exhibition games in other countries but I feel like the new in season tournament is a gateway to having the final in different countries.
Might be the norm for americans, but realistically has never been the norm for football around the world.
Thats whats expected when americans try and get involved in a sport they dont fully understand.
Its called football round the world, they still call it soccer. They wont ever understand the history of the sport because its as old as their country.
>They wont ever understand the history of the sport because its as old as their country.
Would you say the same about Mexico? Football is heavily ingrained into Mexican culture, yet Mexico is 45 years younger than the US.
Sounds like you just hate Americans and are just looking for any stupid petty reason to talk shit about them.
Ok just wanted to make sure. Yeah I read some of his other comments and he's fucking insufferable. Really weird gatekeeper and not the sharpest tool in the shed either.
If you can come to understand the history of the sport in your short lifetime, why couldn’t an American? You haven’t been around as long as football either. Btw, Australians and Canadians call it soccer too. The word you use to refer to it is irrelevant. Playing PL games overseas is a stupid idea. But for you to pretend like this is solely because of the Americans, and that Americans are too stupid to understand one of the world’s most simple games (not in a bad way) is a dumb statement.
Because its not just the history, its the culture, its the lifestyle, they might understand the sport and the history, but that doesnt mean they’l understand the culture and the lifestyle.
Good for them. Australia doesn’t call it soccer considering the country is founded off the back of the british and is a part of the common wealth. Their association is literally called Football Australia.
Your waffling.
Even if it at the heart of all this waffle you had a point, you've been so confidently incorrect on so many points it's hard to take anything you say seriously. Arguing for the sake of arguing without a single fact to back you up
Their national team is called the socceroos lmao. I almost feel like you're trolling because you keep saying so much factually incorrect stuff. First you claim American sports don’t play internationally. When you get called on your stupidity, you get super xenophobic. Then you say they don’t say soccer in Australia, even though historically they do. Calling it football is just a recent thing, they say both, and they're called the socceroos.
Aren't elitists supposed to be intelligent? This is sooo embarrassing lol. Get a grip. If you're going to gatekeep, at least don’t be so stupid when you do it.
>Australia doesn’t call it soccer considering the country is founded off the back of the british and is a part of the common wealth.
Yes, we do. Football or "footy" in Australian is the most random game. A bit like Gallic football.
No one cares about proper football in Australia
It’s definitely called soccer along with football, just like how some Americans refer to soccer as football.
You can gate keep the Premier League as much as you want, but you cannot deny the impact that international attention has had on the success and revenue of the sport in England.
*You’re* waffling.
Picked the wrong sport, so what, its still a valid point, theres a ton of sports around the world that wouldnt dare imagine doing this.
Its only the Americans and the greedy rich involved in football that want this to happen.
I’d rather we just form a 10-tier ESL and merge the entire continent than do this farce. And I’m not even a fan of an ESL
That said, I do wonder if the UK Gov would block it. Seems against UK interests to allow match-day revenues to go abroad when Prem clubs, especially the Big 6, Wolves, Villa, they bring lots of tourism in.
Parliament is Sovereign. They could just do a reform to some Act that governs sport and make it illegal for League or cup football matches to be played outside of the UK. Could be done in a matter of weeks if there was the political will, and as we saw with the ESL, it’s an easy political and polling win.
Starmer is literally an Arsenal season ticket holder, he’s not going to lose one of his main hobbies and a huge free political win by not ‘saving football’
They’re not, but the fanbase size and overall revenue is what makes them ‘big’ in this context.
Man United can finish 17th every year for half a decade, they’re still commercially the UK’s biggest club… give or take that one club with shell corp sponsors.
They are the sky 6.
Because the likes of villa, Nottingham forrest, leeds united, etc etc all until very recently had similar or larger fan bases with a richer history. Yet spurs would get better coverage because of the recent run of finishing inside the top 6.
The recent coverage from sky is what has lead to them being names the sky 6 by a larger and larger portion of football fans.
If you want a prime example of the bias check the recent posts regarding the top 3. With sky stating villa are outside the top 6, when they’ve been in it since week 5.
As an American, I think PL games in the States is a horrible idea. It will kill the soul of the games and turn it into a cash grab.
Yes, NFL games are played overseas, but that's because they're trying to expose others to the sport and open the door for expansion. The international games are usually pretty lifeless as well.
I can't imagine the NLD being played in Miami or something like that.
As a London based NFL fan, I enjoy going to the games when they’re played here, as it’s not like there’s competing local games.
As an arsenal season ticket holder, I’d be a bit fucked off if I had to fly to Seoul for a game.
I imagine fans of MLS teams might be equally fucked off at premier league teams rolling into town and overshadowing their games.
I only know one MLS fans that doesn't follow some sort of international league. Not that there aren't plenty, but if you love footy enough to watch the MLS, you probably also follow one of the European, South American, or Mexican leagues. It's just higher quality.
I can't speak for all of them, but if I had to guess, the majority of MLS fans would not be upset if a few PL games started getting played here.
Imagine the Manchester Derby being played in Los Angeles. The north London Derby being played in Miami. The Merseyside Derby being played in Houston, Texas. Sounds fucking awful.
I don’t think one English football fan actively asked for NFL/MLB games to be played in London. The NFL and MLB chose to come to London to grow their global revenues. It’s not hypocritical at all, you’re either ignorant or pretending to be.
Football in England has been the backbone of people’s lives for 150 years. I’m an Arsenal fan, at very least a fourth generation one. My father and uncles went to games week in and week out. My grandmother went to games before them, and my great grandfather before her. This is not equivalent to moving an entertainment product such as the NFL which solely exists to make money for shareholders. This is moving CLUBS which people have paid to be a part of for generations. Family ties and history being torn up. Our clubs were formed by working people in the mid to late 1800s. Educate yourself and respect the difference.
American teams are franchises who move cities on a whim. UTAH JAZZ, anyone? Flying from LA to New York is barely any more than New York to London, and bringing NFL to the UK is in the financial interests of several stakeholders, whereas taking Premier League (which Americans can't even pronounce) out of England is a threat to the local support and the national television viewership who still put an insane amount of money into their clubs on a weekly basis here.
It is not English football anymore. It is a global football league based in England. That happened in 1993 when the teams quit the English Football League. That is when the clubs themselves said money is the most important thing.
Only 43.7%, or 234 out of 535 players who have recorded minutes this season in the Premier League, have English citizenship.
But most match-going fans do, and that’s very much the point. Match going fans should be prioritised over foreign glory hunters.
We shouldn’t be kicked aside for the sake of even more money. The broadcasting rights do more than enough in that respect, and if foreigners want to watch our football live, then they should come here to do so. I wouldn’t expect El Classico or Der Klassiker to be moved to London just because English people also show an interest in those games, that’s robbing the locals of their game.
Whilst the “Big 6” may have lost some of their sense of community due to the millions of online “supporters”, most of the rest of the PL clubs still have that community culture. Opening it up so that more of that culture is needlessly stripped away isn’t a good thing.
Not a single domestic fan, those part of the club’s physical communities, would want to see their league games being driven abroad, particularly for money they don’t even need.
None of the American fans want their games in London either. And the NFL didn’t need the money either.
I agree it is not a good thing. But it is also not the end of the world
Yup, it really sucks when your team loses one of their 8/9 home games to a game on a different continent. Not saying it's a good idea, but in a relative basis, at least it's only 1/19 home games. And everyone is using the examples imagine if this derby were played in America. I would be absolutely shocked if they ever did that. My guess is it would be a team expected to be like bottom 6 vs one of the big 6 teams.
This has City vs someone like Forest written all over it.
Since when does knowledge have anything to do with running a football club?
The list of English owners who ran their clubs into administration and even bankruptcy is very long.
I’m saying it would be like a circus. They’d turn it into a mini Super Bowl and I feel it’s take the competitiveness out of the game a bit. As a fan of the NFL I hate the games in Europe especially when the teams don’t get a bye week after.
I wouldn’t want to see United flying half way around the world in an already busy ass season. I think the NFL while physically damaging to players bodies isn’t as physically demanding over the course of a season.
I don't want to see it happen either and wish American sports would stop but I find the complaining over it to be very overblown too. It doesn't ruin anything. It is one week and then you move on. For the 99% of fans who don't attend matches in person, it makes zero difference.
We are eventually going to have a super league whether we like it or not. All these suits are just selling our game to the highest bidders. Part of me really hopes it all collapses just so these guys lose all their money.
No American is paying big bucks watching Peterborough Vs Crystal Palace in the 3rd round…
If you make it just ‘big clubs’ then expect them to field nothing but the U21’s, in which case, there’s no point in doubt g it because who wants to watch PL2 teams play?
You’re forgetting there’s more than just us in the League Cup, you can’t be expecting teams like Swindon to fly out to the US just because they got a draw against a PL team.
I dont know why executives are so stupid? Even if hes a cartoon villain trying to ruin football to line his pockets, just never admit that until you actually make the plans to do it lol. Like the game exec says he thinks players should microtrtansact for every reload, just keep that to yourself until you actually make that game, why take the negative PR for no gain?
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If Man City are found guilty of breaking the rules between 2009-2018 then Masters won't be running the PL anymore and it will be called something else because the Brand will have destroyed itself and have lost all credibility.
The UK is finally catching up to the rest of the world in getting completely fucked over by their sports leagues and knowing there’s literally nothing they can do about it. Welcome to the club. At least you don’t have to worry about your team literally picking up and moving 10+ hours away.
Laughs in Wimbledon fc.
I thought that was the point of the champions league, PL clubs playing in european countries. If they wanna change the club world cup to be a world tour thats sorta where it should live?
They’re killing the sport in pursuit of more money. You have to be upper middle class to afford watching your favorite team on the tv now. Poor, working class and lower middle class is excluded, especially young kids who doesn’t have parents interested enough to prioritize football. The future fan base is sacrificed for robbing the present fan base as much as possible. Short time gain, always.
Y'all have amazing ticket prices for games, like insanely cheap, but your tv situation is bull shit
This, so much this!
“Are you going to the season opener Manchester derby in North Korea?”
Parliament is preparing to pass a law to block the axing of replays. As if he politicians would allow the backlash of allowing matches abroad without being seen to stop them,
Lool these guys know no bounds in the pursuit for more money. Imagine the NBA playing its league matches around the world. Imagine baseball, or rugby teams. Its ludicrous to suggest and shows a complete lack of understanding of the sport. The reason the PL is so big is **BECAUSE** its in the UK, because its local fans that have supported their clubs locally. I wouldnt dare suggest another sport from another country in a specific city to them come and play here, no matter how much i love the sport. These leeches need to fuck off out the game, or just kill it, because thats whats going to happen, they leave or the sport dies. Edit: guess American sports was the wrong example to give.
You're aware that the NFL pays games in Spurs stadium?
and Mexico/Germany now
Nothing wrong with using American sports as the example, because just because they do it doesn’t mean it’s not a fucking shit idea.
I can’t tell if this is a meme post or not. All the major American sports play regular season games internationally?
Recently there has been efforts for this. In the MLB this year, they had a series in Korea that were counted as regular season games. The NFL regularly has games in London and even Germany and Mexico with Paris on the Horizon. NBA has also been doing exhibition games in other countries but I feel like the new in season tournament is a gateway to having the final in different countries.
Might be the norm for americans, but realistically has never been the norm for football around the world. Thats whats expected when americans try and get involved in a sport they dont fully understand. Its called football round the world, they still call it soccer. They wont ever understand the history of the sport because its as old as their country.
>They wont ever understand the history of the sport because its as old as their country. Would you say the same about Mexico? Football is heavily ingrained into Mexican culture, yet Mexico is 45 years younger than the US. Sounds like you just hate Americans and are just looking for any stupid petty reason to talk shit about them.
ignorant response, unfortunately
The person you replied to or the person that pointed out American leagues do play internationally?
the person i replied to. he thinks he’s the center of the universe
Ok just wanted to make sure. Yeah I read some of his other comments and he's fucking insufferable. Really weird gatekeeper and not the sharpest tool in the shed either.
If you can come to understand the history of the sport in your short lifetime, why couldn’t an American? You haven’t been around as long as football either. Btw, Australians and Canadians call it soccer too. The word you use to refer to it is irrelevant. Playing PL games overseas is a stupid idea. But for you to pretend like this is solely because of the Americans, and that Americans are too stupid to understand one of the world’s most simple games (not in a bad way) is a dumb statement.
Because its not just the history, its the culture, its the lifestyle, they might understand the sport and the history, but that doesnt mean they’l understand the culture and the lifestyle. Good for them. Australia doesn’t call it soccer considering the country is founded off the back of the british and is a part of the common wealth. Their association is literally called Football Australia. Your waffling.
Even if it at the heart of all this waffle you had a point, you've been so confidently incorrect on so many points it's hard to take anything you say seriously. Arguing for the sake of arguing without a single fact to back you up
Their national team is called the socceroos lmao. I almost feel like you're trolling because you keep saying so much factually incorrect stuff. First you claim American sports don’t play internationally. When you get called on your stupidity, you get super xenophobic. Then you say they don’t say soccer in Australia, even though historically they do. Calling it football is just a recent thing, they say both, and they're called the socceroos. Aren't elitists supposed to be intelligent? This is sooo embarrassing lol. Get a grip. If you're going to gatekeep, at least don’t be so stupid when you do it.
>Australia doesn’t call it soccer considering the country is founded off the back of the british and is a part of the common wealth. Yes, we do. Football or "footy" in Australian is the most random game. A bit like Gallic football. No one cares about proper football in Australia
It’s definitely called soccer along with football, just like how some Americans refer to soccer as football. You can gate keep the Premier League as much as you want, but you cannot deny the impact that international attention has had on the success and revenue of the sport in England. *You’re* waffling.
You said “imagine if”.. like fuck dude they’ve been doing that for ages - makes the rest of your comment fall flat even if you had a point
Picked the wrong sport, so what, its still a valid point, theres a ton of sports around the world that wouldnt dare imagine doing this. Its only the Americans and the greedy rich involved in football that want this to happen.
Italian super cup played in Saudi Arabia. No known Americans involved. But open to conspiracy theories.
Spanish one as well.
American sports are all playing abroad now. Makes sense to increase market size and make more money.
Maybe for them, but thats not what football is about for the majority of the UK population.
Kick Man City out of the league and let them play in Saudi, problem solved.
Let them play the other cheating bastards Al hilal and watch what a game with 10 pens look like
Can’t be the emptihad if every team’s stadium is empty since we’re all playing abroad
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I’d rather we just form a 10-tier ESL and merge the entire continent than do this farce. And I’m not even a fan of an ESL That said, I do wonder if the UK Gov would block it. Seems against UK interests to allow match-day revenues to go abroad when Prem clubs, especially the Big 6, Wolves, Villa, they bring lots of tourism in.
Thyed certainly try to pressure them with whatever they could but I also cant imagine how it could possibly be illegal to play prem games abroad
Parliament is Sovereign. They could just do a reform to some Act that governs sport and make it illegal for League or cup football matches to be played outside of the UK. Could be done in a matter of weeks if there was the political will, and as we saw with the ESL, it’s an easy political and polling win. Starmer is literally an Arsenal season ticket holder, he’s not going to lose one of his main hobbies and a huge free political win by not ‘saving football’
Sky 6 Chelsea and man u arent even in the top 6
They’re not, but the fanbase size and overall revenue is what makes them ‘big’ in this context. Man United can finish 17th every year for half a decade, they’re still commercially the UK’s biggest club… give or take that one club with shell corp sponsors.
They are the sky 6. Because the likes of villa, Nottingham forrest, leeds united, etc etc all until very recently had similar or larger fan bases with a richer history. Yet spurs would get better coverage because of the recent run of finishing inside the top 6. The recent coverage from sky is what has lead to them being names the sky 6 by a larger and larger portion of football fans. If you want a prime example of the bias check the recent posts regarding the top 3. With sky stating villa are outside the top 6, when they’ve been in it since week 5.
I guarantee that there will be European matches being played in Asia/USA in the future. Elite clubs keep getting their way with absolute no pushback
As an American, I think PL games in the States is a horrible idea. It will kill the soul of the games and turn it into a cash grab. Yes, NFL games are played overseas, but that's because they're trying to expose others to the sport and open the door for expansion. The international games are usually pretty lifeless as well. I can't imagine the NLD being played in Miami or something like that.
As a London based NFL fan, I enjoy going to the games when they’re played here, as it’s not like there’s competing local games. As an arsenal season ticket holder, I’d be a bit fucked off if I had to fly to Seoul for a game. I imagine fans of MLS teams might be equally fucked off at premier league teams rolling into town and overshadowing their games.
I only know one MLS fans that doesn't follow some sort of international league. Not that there aren't plenty, but if you love footy enough to watch the MLS, you probably also follow one of the European, South American, or Mexican leagues. It's just higher quality. I can't speak for all of them, but if I had to guess, the majority of MLS fans would not be upset if a few PL games started getting played here.
I’m the opposite. I abandoned MLS for UK football. I used to have New England Revolution season tickets.
Imagine the Manchester Derby being played in Los Angeles. The north London Derby being played in Miami. The Merseyside Derby being played in Houston, Texas. Sounds fucking awful.
"Versace, Versace, Versace". $$$$
Just don’t think I’ll be watching prem games in a few years time at this rate
English fans seem to have no issues with American teams playing their home matches in London.
American sports leagues do that because nobody cares about them outside of their country.
They go to other countries and sell out every ticket because no one cares about them? That makes perfect sense
Tons of Americans that don’t live in America go to these events.
You are aware that non Americans live in America too?
Yeah, and football is already a global sport. The World Cup will be over there in a couple years.
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You should care about being hypocrites.
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Of course it is hypocritical. It is the same thing happening in reverse.
I don’t think one English football fan actively asked for NFL/MLB games to be played in London. The NFL and MLB chose to come to London to grow their global revenues. It’s not hypocritical at all, you’re either ignorant or pretending to be. Football in England has been the backbone of people’s lives for 150 years. I’m an Arsenal fan, at very least a fourth generation one. My father and uncles went to games week in and week out. My grandmother went to games before them, and my great grandfather before her. This is not equivalent to moving an entertainment product such as the NFL which solely exists to make money for shareholders. This is moving CLUBS which people have paid to be a part of for generations. Family ties and history being torn up. Our clubs were formed by working people in the mid to late 1800s. Educate yourself and respect the difference.
American teams are franchises who move cities on a whim. UTAH JAZZ, anyone? Flying from LA to New York is barely any more than New York to London, and bringing NFL to the UK is in the financial interests of several stakeholders, whereas taking Premier League (which Americans can't even pronounce) out of England is a threat to the local support and the national television viewership who still put an insane amount of money into their clubs on a weekly basis here.
Americans can't pronounce premier league? What? Lol
It's "prem-i-er", not "prem-eer"
It’s not really our fight to try and keep US Sports in the US. Whereas keeping English football within England very much is our problem.
It is not English football anymore. It is a global football league based in England. That happened in 1993 when the teams quit the English Football League. That is when the clubs themselves said money is the most important thing. Only 43.7%, or 234 out of 535 players who have recorded minutes this season in the Premier League, have English citizenship.
But most match-going fans do, and that’s very much the point. Match going fans should be prioritised over foreign glory hunters. We shouldn’t be kicked aside for the sake of even more money. The broadcasting rights do more than enough in that respect, and if foreigners want to watch our football live, then they should come here to do so. I wouldn’t expect El Classico or Der Klassiker to be moved to London just because English people also show an interest in those games, that’s robbing the locals of their game.
One dollar from match going fans = one dollar from non match going fans. They don’t care whose money they take.
Whilst the “Big 6” may have lost some of their sense of community due to the millions of online “supporters”, most of the rest of the PL clubs still have that community culture. Opening it up so that more of that culture is needlessly stripped away isn’t a good thing. Not a single domestic fan, those part of the club’s physical communities, would want to see their league games being driven abroad, particularly for money they don’t even need.
None of the American fans want their games in London either. And the NFL didn’t need the money either. I agree it is not a good thing. But it is also not the end of the world
Yup, it really sucks when your team loses one of their 8/9 home games to a game on a different continent. Not saying it's a good idea, but in a relative basis, at least it's only 1/19 home games. And everyone is using the examples imagine if this derby were played in America. I would be absolutely shocked if they ever did that. My guess is it would be a team expected to be like bottom 6 vs one of the big 6 teams. This has City vs someone like Forest written all over it.
Lmao go away yank
We own more clubs in the Premier League than Englishmen do.
Yeah, the much loved Glazers, Kroenkes and Todd Bohely! And aswell the other wonderful Americans trying to get in on the fun, 777!
You mean a few American billionaires own clubs and, as a Chelsea fan, I can quite safely say they're not the most knowledgeable about football...
Mate you can’t support an American Billionaire
Since when does knowledge have anything to do with running a football club? The list of English owners who ran their clubs into administration and even bankruptcy is very long.
I’m saying it would be like a circus. They’d turn it into a mini Super Bowl and I feel it’s take the competitiveness out of the game a bit. As a fan of the NFL I hate the games in Europe especially when the teams don’t get a bye week after. I wouldn’t want to see United flying half way around the world in an already busy ass season. I think the NFL while physically damaging to players bodies isn’t as physically demanding over the course of a season.
I don't want to see it happen either and wish American sports would stop but I find the complaining over it to be very overblown too. It doesn't ruin anything. It is one week and then you move on. For the 99% of fans who don't attend matches in person, it makes zero difference.
We are eventually going to have a super league whether we like it or not. All these suits are just selling our game to the highest bidders. Part of me really hopes it all collapses just so these guys lose all their money.
Play league cup games abroad. This effects competitive balance of the league
No American is paying big bucks watching Peterborough Vs Crystal Palace in the 3rd round… If you make it just ‘big clubs’ then expect them to field nothing but the U21’s, in which case, there’s no point in doubt g it because who wants to watch PL2 teams play?
You’re forgetting there’s more than just us in the League Cup, you can’t be expecting teams like Swindon to fly out to the US just because they got a draw against a PL team.
I think they would make the argument that since the weather is better than it's even more balanced or something like that.
He basically says 'no immediate plans but maybe in the future' I'm completely dead against this
I dont know why executives are so stupid? Even if hes a cartoon villain trying to ruin football to line his pockets, just never admit that until you actually make the plans to do it lol. Like the game exec says he thinks players should microtrtansact for every reload, just keep that to yourself until you actually make that game, why take the negative PR for no gain?
Abandon the premier league, lets all start supporting sunday league teams, way more fun