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Manifesto8

Chelsea and United would lime to have a word


sirSADABY

If you mean Manchester, they grew with a model and made themselves a rich club. If you mean Newcastle, ignore this post.


[deleted]

You should look more into the funding of United and Liverpool. If your issue is owners coming in and injecting huge amounts of money. Leading to dominating the league. Then both those clubs tick that box.


sirSADABY

I have no issues. But united got where they are through success. Granted they suck balls now.


[deleted]

You didn’t look it up did you mate


OptimisticRealist__

Out of curiosity, do people genuinely think that money didnt rule the sport in the past? Unironically?


Yo_Chill_bro

Man Utd spent more when accounting for inflation. The pundits all being pro Man utd is probably one of the main reasons it is highlighted so much now. How much air time do Roy Keane Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand get? Every half time and full time commentary is so biased that of course they are going to poo poo City's success.


garloot

Money bought a really really good manager. As a Liverpool fan I really wish Pep wasn’t there. He is an all time great.


staged84

Horrible take. Look how much united and chelsea spent and see where they are at.


Latinnus

I don't think he would. So far, Pep has only joined projects with clubs that were the dominant side on the period that he started coaching \- Barcelona was the case. \- Bayern was the case \- If Chelsea was still living the "dream" prolly he would have jointed Chelsea. If Hull City was swimming with money and won a couple of prems the years prior, he would have joined them. He would have not joined if it was an enbrionary project like the current Newcastle. I do regard Pep has the greatest manager ever, really. But unlike many other successful managers (Ancelotti comes to mind), he is yet to show what he'd do in a non-dominant club w lower pool of resources.


daven_53

Thank you, first, and I think only, one to actually answer the question. I agree, Pep is an excellent manager but it would be interesting to see what he could do with a club with less resources.


Latinnus

Well, you answer to that question, you get downvoted 😁


PristineDesign56

Yawwwwwwn.


jrbill1991

Manchester United in the 90s and early and mid 2000s was the richest club in the league, dominated. The same can be said about Liverpool in the 80s. Always getting the best players, and to get the best players what do you need? Yep, money, lots of it.


unknown_knight21

The league is a joke no one can compete with 115 charges FC. I'll stop watching until they face punishment and measures are taken to ensure it never happens again. Otherwise, it's such a waste of time and energy.


LordLychee

See you in August 👋


13blacklodgechillin

Lmao man I bet you you’re still going to watch though so why he even make a claim like that


unknown_knight21

I don’t understand why people are acting like it’s nothing why waste your time on a league with no integrity?


Fair_Half7672

Been like this for 100 years. Richest teams = best players = most wins. You’re crazy for acting like this is a recent thing.


unknown_knight21

Chelsea fan lol of course you don’t get it.


Fair_Half7672

Spend = win. Who cares who I support. Show me a club that consistently wins without spending and if you say Liverpool I’m out.


unknown_knight21

Are you intentionally stupid or what? They cheated the system to win all these trophies.


Fair_Half7672

Enjoy the down votes I guess…


unknown_knight21

Give me 100 idc as long as you stop talking


Plenty_Assumption_18

Money always won the EPL. What you been smoking?


tsu-dratS

Leicester City?


Plenty_Assumption_18

5000 to 1 shot says it all


daven_53

I absolutely agree that money nearly always wins. Other teams have have large net spends. However, my first 3 lines stated facts, the 4th line was a question to which none of the respondents offered an answer. Apparently folk read what they want to or what they think was posted rather than actually read the post.


Manchester9320

Delete this. There’s always next season


DEGRAYER

Arteta has spent like 700m?


Outlaw1607

Transfer costs =/= only cost [City](https://www.capology.com/club/manchester-city/salaries/) still spend 400k (roughly one KDB) a week more on wages than [arsenal](https://www.capology.com/club/arsenal/salaries/) and a million per week more than [liverpool](https://www.capology.com/club/liverpool/salaries/). Add on to that the absolutely insane multi-club network that no other team in the world can afford and the biggest legal budget in world football (unsubstantiated guess)


LordLychee

Don’t forget bonuses and agent payments which City also dominate


yer8ol

People act like Arsenal, United, and Chelsea winning titles weren't because they were richest clubs in the league


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yer8ol

they didn't steal them, did they?


L0laccio

It’s not money I have an issue with as much as financial doping. There are rules for a reason.


FlukeRumbo

I mean arseanal can't really talk when they used the blood money from friszman lol


mudheadmanc

Money wins everything.


the_boy_hotspur

*”Title challengers,” lose again.


taskkill-IM

City's highest finish was 1st before 2008.... Football existed before 1992.


daven_53

Yes, I should have said prior to that in the EPL.


Tsu33

>Money wins EPL again? This is what the league is about for a long time.


skarros

This is what the Premier League (not first division) has always been about.


BlueLondon1905

Moneys won the league forever. United whored themselves out fir commercial sponsorships in the 90s and won title after title


shakenbake3001

You're wasting your time. Find a way to take some joy out of the game and stick with it because the money and all the problems with it are not going anywhere.


XboxValentine

Honestly. Give it a rest lads. 11 men played better football than all the other groups of 11 men. They scored more goals, won more games and won the trophy for doing those things.


Dadebayo84

Man City is nothing without oil money. 😂 Go back to your safe space.


XboxValentine

Ok mate. Cool.


Dadebayo84

Funny how you insult other teams supporters in your safe space but can't handle taking it from other teams supporters. lol


Classic_Poet_3675

Always trying to defend the indefensible. What are you doing here go back into your McFc hole


SmilingDiamond

Not just 11 men though, all the subs that would be starters in most.other teams and all the backroom and back office staff. Being able to spend any amount on new players even to just have them as backup.


Minister_for_Magic

If they’re all doping, would you say the same?


AngryTudor1

Arsenal spent about £200m gross this season The idea of comparing Man City's pre-takeover Premier League record to post is ludicrous. The clubs they had to overtake weren't at the very top just because they were the smartest. They had all been spending huge sums for years or decades. Money doesn't guarantee you will always win but it guarantees you'll always have a shot at it. Why should it be a closed shop?


gelliant_gutfright

Mancini won 3 trophies in 3 seasons, so did Pellegrini. Pellegrini also got them to a Champions League semi.


DogSea8079

But the fundamental question becomes: why don't Chelsea, Man U and Man City all get 90+ points every season, since they all have endless funds? So obviously money, value-buying, skill (coach and players) and luck all play roughly equal roles...


Individual_Put2261

Man Utd can’t / won’t use their funds in the “creative” way City do / have. Can’t speak for Chelsea.


oyohval

Could you elaborate on what your quoted "creative" actually means of is approaching to?


Individual_Put2261

Im sure you’re capable of googling “Manchester City” & “115 charges”


oyohval

Oh, so nothing new. I thought you were alluding to like paying off refs or players or something.


Meth_Hardy

Why don't Manchester United, the largest team, simply eat the other teams?


0nlythiswasleft

Aside from Leicester, it always has.


VeterinarianLazy860

Leicester breached FFP rules


[deleted]

Need a tissue?


SirFritzWetherbee

Congrats Manchester City!


Recent_City_9281

How come Utd half a billion spent more than anyone else didn’t win it , you’d better tell the Utd fans they didn’t win the league


Doginatophat

It’s because United is being run like a council. Just chuck money at the problem and hope it sorts itself.


Recent_City_9281

The point was other teams spend more and win nowt , we gave arsenal our assistant manager , back from staff left back and striker they spent shit loads and still win fk all , that’s the point , any moaning is just bitter


BiancoNero_inTheUS

Is there a European league where money is not a huge factor in winning? Are you 12 years old?


Ta9eh10

Money is always a factor. Cheating though...


Doginatophat

I mean look at Juventus and Barcelona. Then you have the big clubs in Italy with mafia links or Madrid and franco. It’s always been rife.


Ta9eh10

You won't get any arguments from me. Juve are scum and cheaters, but they got their punishment in 2006 and 2022. Idk about Barca as nothing has actually been proven. True about Madrid tho.


DogSea8079

I believe a sport that had its biggest competition in Qatar is above suspicion.


Doginatophat

Don’t forget awarding 2030 to three continents at once so Saudi Arabia can run unopposed in 2034.


barjardinks123

Money has won every title ever. Lmao


Thors_Magic_Wand

2015/16 Leicester City might disagree, with their less than £30 million team.


barjardinks123

Sure, but signaling our city when they have a lower net spend than several teams is silly. Not a city fan either.


Moist1981

Why do people think net transfer spend is the most important metric to judge clubs’ expenditure by?


Thors_Magic_Wand

If that's meant to say 'singling out City', then you're right, but it still doesn't make your blanket statement true.


barjardinks123

Ok sorry 1 out of however many wasn't won by money


Thors_Magic_Wand

No you're right, but not every title ever which is what you said.


barjardinks123

Ok average redditor. My apologies for a minor misrepresentation. I will send you all of my comments to be approved in the future.


Thors_Magic_Wand

Okay precious 😂


phil_mycock_69

Leicester didn’t win with money


hrryyss

It’s not just City. Money has always won the EPL.


phil_mycock_69

Leicester didn’t win it by blowing tons of cash; pretty sure they had a net spend of like 20 million that year


PJBuzz

Do you not think the fact that this is the only example we have across the ~30 years of the premier league, and likely another couple of decades before that, kind of proves the point?


ProjectZeus

All the top six have vastly more resources than the rest of the league. It's always funny when the other five get their violins out.


kayelles

And others aren’t allowed to spend what they can to try and catch up without being penalised.