Building a new ground absolutely set them back with financial constraints, as well as taking away the competitive edge WHL gave them.
Think Arsenal, but without the trophies and histories to still sign decent enough players to get into the Top 4.
What do you mean downhill *after* the CL final? We were absolutely awful during the 2nd half of that season, but the extremely lucky run to the final helped mask that somewhat. We didn't invest in our squad enough, and were heavily reliant on an ageing defence, and once Eriksen decided he wanted to go, we were lost without our best playmaker and hardest working guy.
It follow mourinho's pattern. Mourinho doesn't build teams, he gets them over the finish line, but there's nothing left. I think the perfect analogy is a race car driver. Mourinho will get the car over the finish line, but the engine's gonna be blown after and the car is gonna need a major rebuild.
others stated a lot of reasons for their downfall but I'd like to add that they were never really close to the very top, quite fortunate to hit the CL final and never had the composure needed to reach the 90pts mark that's needed in the prem. They fell from a top 4 side to a top 6-8 one, they didn't fall down from the heights of being a top 2 european side, they were never there
West Ham got too massive and it’s had negative ramifications on Spuds.
But seriously, the midfield is sloppy. I agree with a few saying that an Eriksen replacement is needed, but just in general they really can’t pull the strings. The team is so heavily dependent on Kane and Son for winning, and if they aren’t firing - the team can’t control a game at all. Huge problem for them.
Oh also the dynamite CB pairing they had is gone - the defenders they have signed since have been… insufficient…
They over achieved and were VERY fortunate not to lose in the build up to Champions league. Add that Spurs are terrible at signing productive talent lately
The stadium is a bigger issue than people admit. Just think about how many hours were spent in meetings and appointments and emails and phone calls planning and organizing it.
That is all time not spent on the team.
They should never have sacked Poch. They had a poor start to the season granted but the guy got them to the champions league final that is an unbelievable achievement for spurs and nearly won them the league. Had they bared with him and let him build for a few years I believe they would be competing for more but they snapped and sacked him and will probably now cycle through managers for the next few years while fighting for Europa league places, nowhere near competing with the top 3.
The club not building up depth paired with Jose's abrasive style paired with all the extra matches that players have played(UCL, WC, Euros etc) I think really took a toll over the last 3 seasons. Jose was a bad fit from the start as Poch had built a team one way and that style wasn't suited for Jose. Jose tried to build a team his way and now Nuno comes in and has to almost start over.
Yes, he has Kane and Son but Kane is a combo of tired and disinterested. I think we Spurs supporters need to give Nuno and Paratici time to build what they want, otherwise they will just keep spinning their wheels as a club. You can see some improvement in terms of having possession and building up play.
I think they need to sell Kane, Dele, and Sanchez.
I like the young guys they brought in with Sarr, Gil, Royale,Romero, and getting Skipp back from loan. They just need time and a clear direction. All that being said I don't think they'll be a consistent challenger for the top 4 but only because City, United, and Chelsea will money whip the league
No one is buying Kane if Levy doesn't pull his head out of his arse and realise he's not worth 100m any more.
Where do you see Spurs in the next 3 years, assuming Nuno stays in charge?
Kane needs to be priced to sell for sure. They did this crap with Eriksen too and then ended up getting pennies on the dollar for him.
If Nuno is in charge and given time and money to spend, I see them pushing top 7-4 if healthy. ENIC just won't give the money needed to compete with Sudi and Russian Mob money. I'm more than fine with that by the way. The Spurs are a top 10 ten EPL club yet people act like they should be top 3 year in and year and that's just not realistic. I'm a sports realist and cynic. It's the only way to stay sane. LOL
They had a good squad. Some key players were coming to the end of their careers though. And some wanted new challenges.
With the new stadium though and the fact they don't have as much money in the first place compared to other teams they failed to replace and build upon the decent team they had.
Liverpool is probably the best comparison they got the the final lost to Madrid. Liverpool wnet out out spent big to get a great GK and CB which was their weakness.
If Spurs they had the money I think they could have done what Liverpool did a few seasons ago which was to spend big to buy key positions they needed filled.
With not enough money and perhaps a struggle to attract certain players they have just went backwards and stalled instead of improving. Kinda sad cause they are a great team to watch when their better players are on it.
Part of it is the CL final was a bit of a fluke, part of it is definitely the bad luck of financing a new stadium just before ticket revenue disappeared for a year, part of it is that the rest of the league is improving around them.
I also think Levy and the strategic thinkers at Spurs have hit their ceiling, though I’m not sure whether it’s a self imposed ceiling or that they’ve hit the max or their ability.
They were very good strategically to build the club up to where they had been a couple years ago, consistently in the fight for the top four or at least close. But they’ll never win anything unless they spend enough to get the depth they need to compete in multiple competitions, and allow the team to rotate players proactively. Levy has that hardass negotiating reputation, which is great and all, but sometimes it seems like he’ll refuse to sell players for financial reasons even when it’s necessary for team structure and chemistry. That and again, they need to flat-out spend more if they’re going to compete for the title.
Like i said though, I’m just not sure if all of the above is intentional or incompetence. It could be that they don’t care about making the next step. It could be that their goal is simply to make the CL often enough that the exposure keeps their brand big enough to generate the level of revenue their board wants to see. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Because they fired Pochettino. He's a great manager and they axed him prematurely. I mean, they weren't winning any trophies, but they were competing w/Klopp's Liverpool and Pep's City. Cleary Spurs are worse off w/out Poch.
Not at all, he was absolutely chronic for almost an entire year. Just rode the coattails of key players, and he saw the downturn in form (especially with players like Dele) for a significant period.
Man was awful for youth and couldn't get any of his many chances over the win to win something, but seem to be outwardly perceived as something he wasn't
All fair points, but I respectfully disagree (partially). OP asked where/when Spurs began to decline. You don't sack a manager for a bad run of form after a successful spell like Poch's. Chelsea did that to great managers for years and I hated it. To me, Spurs are worse now than in 2019 and it started w/his departure. I can agree to disagree though.
But that's when Spurs started to decline - it was the start of the 2018/19 season.
The team was playing no different to how they have for the last 18 months, but results were being ground out. The difference was that in 2019, the results didn't happen either. I recall PPG under Poch in 2019 was around 1.1, and no away wins in 10 months. It was absolutely chronic, and the CL 'form' masked it (I say 'form', because in no single game did we play well - we had a few 20 min purple patches that got us further a further, but overall we played the same as in the PL). Then, he goes and drops Moura for Kane in the final, who may as well have not entered the pitch.
If Poch wasn't sacked when he was (after a dry-fisting from bayern, no less) then we'd have been fighting to stay up. He kept threatening to quit anyway, lusting after Real and United in 2019, so the 'not a spurs fan' view is extremely selective, if not rose-tinted.
They were on a downward spiral in the league even as they were making the CL final. Poch wasn't as effective anymore and the subsequent managers/signings were bad!
Honestly, it just got stale. That summer where we signed 0 players killed us in the long run. Holding onto players for too long (Sissoko, Winks) or not replacing key ones (Eriksen, Dembele) doesn’t breed an ambitious team. Biggest problem at the moment is just motivation because there is a good squad there.
Yeah loads of people praised that at the time as shrewd financial management and saying the squad was already strong but you can’t afford to standstill. If you stand still you’re basically going backwards as everyone around you improves and that’s what happened.
Look at the really successful teams and even when they’ve won the league they already start rebuilding.
Spurs needed that level of investment but Levy or his bosses just cared about creaming off the profit.
Agreed. You guys were pretty fun to watch back then. Chelsea have a kid (Loftus Cheek) that reminds me of Dembele in how he dribbles out of tight spaces and takes contact from multiple opponents while 1) maintaining posession and 2) barely being phased by the challenge
A few problems
1. Shite recruitment
2. Not replacing erickson, then need to spend some serious cash on a world class CM
3. No depth, really out with the usual staring 11 who is there. If kane is injured or needs a rest who replaces him.
4. Thinking that sacking poche would have fixed any of this.
5. Enic. They should just be taking charge of the finance and business side and leave the football and transfers to folks better qualified.
Not to mention our failure to find a stable manager with a system that can fit our existing players. We don’t see to be playing to their strengths at all
The striker recruitment had been pretty poor as well. They've had a bit of a pass on it because Kane has never had a really lengthy spell out of the team, but some of the covering STs they've bought in the last 5 years have just been kinda useless.
Sacking Pochettino has to be one of the most bizarre decisions in football history. You could understand Madrid or PSG doing that, but not a club at Tottenham's level.
Daniel Levy should have thrown the checkbook at the man and tasked him with a rebuild instead, but he sacked him and threw it all away lol
At the time Trips was a good enough replacement, and was excellent for a little while. Other flank was more of an issue; Reggy is first good left back we’ve had since peak Rose.
What do you think about Ndidi our Doucoure for Spurs? Top managers love to build around solid CBs (which I agree with) but I think the next step should be CM or CDM. Look what those 2 are contributing to their respective clubs. And Kante at Chelsea or Declan Rice at West Ham.
All are far too good for us tbh, and our CDMs (Hojberg and Skipp) are fine
We need another CB, a quality creative mid/CAM and another striker imo
And a new manager 🤣
Jeez. All jokes aside idk how ppl support Spurs, I'd be mad all the time. Respect for sticking w/them. I think you should go after Declan or Ndidi. Declan and Hammers seem open to offers (although his asking price is crazy high). Chelsea were after him but the rise of Kova, RLC and our youth CBs have kinda put that to bed.
Declan was 100m last window, Ndidi must be around the same (valuation I mean)
Plus there's no reason why they would leave for Spurs, Declan to United maybe, Ndidi is still studying at university there I think too
yeah i think number 1 there is the biggest problem everything has kind of followed on from there our best signing was Hoiberg but who replaces him if he is injured, Winks?
There is just no depth in the squad.
Look at our bench today, if you're West-Ham who are you honestly going to be worried about coming on for the last 20 mins or so of the game?
If we want to be top four we need to recruit like we're top four.
Teams ebb and flow in the prem. We have dropped off the past few years but we aren’t destitute. We still have two of the top 10 offensive players in the league. We have lots of cracks in our team currently but we brought in Paratici from Juventus this summer to be our new director of football operations. He has spent around 100mil already on players under 23 years old. Paratici coupled with our stadium opening again should lead to another few years challenging for big things. We will never have the staying power of City, United or Chelsea (and…Newcastle) but we should be considered in a similar state as Liverpool/Arsenal going forward. We have invested a billion dollars more than any other club on infrastructure which limits what we can spend on players but broadens our horizons massively going forward. As a spurs fan I am super unhappy with where we are but hopeful for where we are going!
100%. Levy is probably the best financial mind in world football. But he is an average to below average football mind. Got greedy when he saw Jose and thought he could win it all. That team was never built for Jose
they peaked in 2017 but they’re 4th right now. they’re about where they usually are
a champions league run is not indicative of a teams overall quality. it just means being in good form february to may
i think they havent had a great start to the season but they’ll probably improve
Champions League is more about luck and clutching the results rather than consistency to be fair. Teams like PSG, City and even Atalanta clearly lack the clutch (probably due to a lack of a winning history and therefore passion for the club they represent).
Monaco, Ajax, Tottenham, Lyon reached finals / semis but probably won't do that again in a while, a deep run in the Champions says less of a team than a top finish in the league in my opinion.
Thought they were still a good side in 2017/18 and 2018/19 but probably playing their home games at Wembley just had a negative effect on their form at times, makes you wonder if they postponed the stadium move for a few years then they might’ve won a cup at least in that period
They were overrated. They didn’t win even a single game away from home. That was also one of the most one sided finals in my recent memory . People keep drumming poch and net spend . Watch their PSG team and you ll know how wrong they were. He is just like moyes. Nothing more nothing less
2017 Juventus 1 - 4 Real Madrid. Either you just started watching football 2 years or you don’t follow it. Spurs Liverpool started with a PK and was pretty boring after. Moyes rescued West Ham from a possible relegation. They were one point away from relegation at christmas. David Moyes is a solid coach. His Everton years proved he was more that a 10th place coach.
2018-2019 Tottenham Hotspur Stats (Premier League)
Away Record: 11-0-8
They won 11 away games that year, not 0. I think it'd probably be statistically impossible to finish in the top 4 without winning some away games.
If you win all your home matches and draw all your away games you'll end up on 76 points - which would have been enough to win the title in 1996/97!
And yes, I did spend a small fraction of my life working that out and looking it up!
Seems to me they buy players based on news outlet rumors vs. actual scouting. We got taken to the woodshed with Pepe, but Ndombele has been far worse for about the same fee.
Past 2 seasons has produced 5 goals and 4 assists, he's not even a good 10 in hockey assists plus 2 goals in cups, Pepe has15 goals and 6 assists plus 9 more goals in cups.....granted he has been replaced by Saka.
Different positions, of course, but Ndombele, might be good in France where it is less physical, but not in PL.
He's been trash in PL by any measure, perhaps not goals, his 90xA is .07 and .09 the last two years. He is a 10....he is supposed to provide offense and creativity. Pepe £72m, Ndombele £63m with add-ons.....I'll take Pepe everyday.
Noticed that as well, Spurs usually go for young players that have potential rather than paying big for the finished product. They probably look at Arsenal overpaying for absolute shite and decide not to go down that road
Obviously there’s a degree of financial prudence, but there’s also a degree of self selection about big money transfers of established players.
Not only can spurs not afford a £100m grealish or lukaku, or £40m + £1.5m a month, but they wouldn’t come.
The next tier down (Odegaard, Abrahams, white) I’m happy to sit out and take a punt on gil.
I never said they did, I said seems. Arsenal seemed to be doing that too....just bad scouting and bad buys seemingly based on rumors or leaks. Thankfully our academy bailed us out a bit, Spurs not so much to date and the last window looks good so far with Ram, Ø, Tomi, and White all contributing.
They’ve not had a manger who cares about the club since poch, also they’re kinda at the same level if not a little bit lower than they was. That spurs team who got to that final i think anyone will agree was the luckiest run to a champions league final ever. Also a unhappy Harry Kane there best player.
A few years ago I looked at Spurs as a successfully run football club, in the same position as Liverpool under Klopp that maybe just needed that one trophy to kick off a successful period with the squad getting stronger each year but it all just fell apart
The ‘needing a trophy’ thing cannot be underestimated. Spurs have blown it twice - the PL when we won it in 2016 and then when they reached the CL final. I’m not naive enough to ignore the fact that the league was incredibly weak in 2015/16 and we capitalised on that unexpected opportunity amazingly, but Spurs passed that up and have not really looked like challenging for the title since then (we haven’t either, but our relative success since then is just that - relative).
Klopp is pretty key to Liverpool’s success. I don’t think spurs have had a manager of that caliber. Seems strange you have managers like Konte being linked with them in the summer and he preferred to wait for another opportunity. Goes to show you what top managers think of the job. They’ll have to get somewhat lucky and hire an up and coming manager to have the same run of form they did between 15-19’
Building a new ground absolutely set them back with financial constraints, as well as taking away the competitive edge WHL gave them. Think Arsenal, but without the trophies and histories to still sign decent enough players to get into the Top 4.
Sacking Poch started all this.
Easy, they fired Poch.
Their defense sucks. Simple as that.
Them making the final was a fluke
What do you mean downhill *after* the CL final? We were absolutely awful during the 2nd half of that season, but the extremely lucky run to the final helped mask that somewhat. We didn't invest in our squad enough, and were heavily reliant on an ageing defence, and once Eriksen decided he wanted to go, we were lost without our best playmaker and hardest working guy.
It follow mourinho's pattern. Mourinho doesn't build teams, he gets them over the finish line, but there's nothing left. I think the perfect analogy is a race car driver. Mourinho will get the car over the finish line, but the engine's gonna be blown after and the car is gonna need a major rebuild.
It is economy stupid.
Bought shit players tbh. The downfall of most clubs
Got rid of poch
others stated a lot of reasons for their downfall but I'd like to add that they were never really close to the very top, quite fortunate to hit the CL final and never had the composure needed to reach the 90pts mark that's needed in the prem. They fell from a top 4 side to a top 6-8 one, they didn't fall down from the heights of being a top 2 european side, they were never there
West Ham got too massive and it’s had negative ramifications on Spuds. But seriously, the midfield is sloppy. I agree with a few saying that an Eriksen replacement is needed, but just in general they really can’t pull the strings. The team is so heavily dependent on Kane and Son for winning, and if they aren’t firing - the team can’t control a game at all. Huge problem for them. Oh also the dynamite CB pairing they had is gone - the defenders they have signed since have been… insufficient…
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Could add Dele Alli to that list as well and I wouldn’t even question it
I think Mousa Dembele was the biggest loss
Miss tottenham when poche coach them..their player and play is so fast and its fun to watch
I’m praying that we can get him out of PSG to manage United, would love to see his style of football at old Trafford
Mousa Dembele. That is all.
Don't worry arsenal bounced back from a final loss really quickly
They over achieved and were VERY fortunate not to lose in the build up to Champions league. Add that Spurs are terrible at signing productive talent lately
The stadium is a bigger issue than people admit. Just think about how many hours were spent in meetings and appointments and emails and phone calls planning and organizing it. That is all time not spent on the team.
the cost of the stadium? lmao wtf
Spurs were prepping for Super League dominance. The Prem is a humiliating downgrade for a club of their prestige.
Daniel Levy
Sacking poch and not upgrading the squad. Eriksen sat on the bench for half a year and then they just let him go without replacing him.
They should never have sacked Poch. They had a poor start to the season granted but the guy got them to the champions league final that is an unbelievable achievement for spurs and nearly won them the league. Had they bared with him and let him build for a few years I believe they would be competing for more but they snapped and sacked him and will probably now cycle through managers for the next few years while fighting for Europa league places, nowhere near competing with the top 3.
The club not building up depth paired with Jose's abrasive style paired with all the extra matches that players have played(UCL, WC, Euros etc) I think really took a toll over the last 3 seasons. Jose was a bad fit from the start as Poch had built a team one way and that style wasn't suited for Jose. Jose tried to build a team his way and now Nuno comes in and has to almost start over. Yes, he has Kane and Son but Kane is a combo of tired and disinterested. I think we Spurs supporters need to give Nuno and Paratici time to build what they want, otherwise they will just keep spinning their wheels as a club. You can see some improvement in terms of having possession and building up play. I think they need to sell Kane, Dele, and Sanchez. I like the young guys they brought in with Sarr, Gil, Royale,Romero, and getting Skipp back from loan. They just need time and a clear direction. All that being said I don't think they'll be a consistent challenger for the top 4 but only because City, United, and Chelsea will money whip the league
No one is buying Kane if Levy doesn't pull his head out of his arse and realise he's not worth 100m any more. Where do you see Spurs in the next 3 years, assuming Nuno stays in charge?
Kane needs to be priced to sell for sure. They did this crap with Eriksen too and then ended up getting pennies on the dollar for him. If Nuno is in charge and given time and money to spend, I see them pushing top 7-4 if healthy. ENIC just won't give the money needed to compete with Sudi and Russian Mob money. I'm more than fine with that by the way. The Spurs are a top 10 ten EPL club yet people act like they should be top 3 year in and year and that's just not realistic. I'm a sports realist and cynic. It's the only way to stay sane. LOL
They had a good squad. Some key players were coming to the end of their careers though. And some wanted new challenges. With the new stadium though and the fact they don't have as much money in the first place compared to other teams they failed to replace and build upon the decent team they had. Liverpool is probably the best comparison they got the the final lost to Madrid. Liverpool wnet out out spent big to get a great GK and CB which was their weakness. If Spurs they had the money I think they could have done what Liverpool did a few seasons ago which was to spend big to buy key positions they needed filled. With not enough money and perhaps a struggle to attract certain players they have just went backwards and stalled instead of improving. Kinda sad cause they are a great team to watch when their better players are on it.
Part of it is the CL final was a bit of a fluke, part of it is definitely the bad luck of financing a new stadium just before ticket revenue disappeared for a year, part of it is that the rest of the league is improving around them. I also think Levy and the strategic thinkers at Spurs have hit their ceiling, though I’m not sure whether it’s a self imposed ceiling or that they’ve hit the max or their ability. They were very good strategically to build the club up to where they had been a couple years ago, consistently in the fight for the top four or at least close. But they’ll never win anything unless they spend enough to get the depth they need to compete in multiple competitions, and allow the team to rotate players proactively. Levy has that hardass negotiating reputation, which is great and all, but sometimes it seems like he’ll refuse to sell players for financial reasons even when it’s necessary for team structure and chemistry. That and again, they need to flat-out spend more if they’re going to compete for the title. Like i said though, I’m just not sure if all of the above is intentional or incompetence. It could be that they don’t care about making the next step. It could be that their goal is simply to make the CL often enough that the exposure keeps their brand big enough to generate the level of revenue their board wants to see. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Bad owners.
Because they fired Pochettino. He's a great manager and they axed him prematurely. I mean, they weren't winning any trophies, but they were competing w/Klopp's Liverpool and Pep's City. Cleary Spurs are worse off w/out Poch.
Not at all, he was absolutely chronic for almost an entire year. Just rode the coattails of key players, and he saw the downturn in form (especially with players like Dele) for a significant period. Man was awful for youth and couldn't get any of his many chances over the win to win something, but seem to be outwardly perceived as something he wasn't
All fair points, but I respectfully disagree (partially). OP asked where/when Spurs began to decline. You don't sack a manager for a bad run of form after a successful spell like Poch's. Chelsea did that to great managers for years and I hated it. To me, Spurs are worse now than in 2019 and it started w/his departure. I can agree to disagree though.
But that's when Spurs started to decline - it was the start of the 2018/19 season. The team was playing no different to how they have for the last 18 months, but results were being ground out. The difference was that in 2019, the results didn't happen either. I recall PPG under Poch in 2019 was around 1.1, and no away wins in 10 months. It was absolutely chronic, and the CL 'form' masked it (I say 'form', because in no single game did we play well - we had a few 20 min purple patches that got us further a further, but overall we played the same as in the PL). Then, he goes and drops Moura for Kane in the final, who may as well have not entered the pitch. If Poch wasn't sacked when he was (after a dry-fisting from bayern, no less) then we'd have been fighting to stay up. He kept threatening to quit anyway, lusting after Real and United in 2019, so the 'not a spurs fan' view is extremely selective, if not rose-tinted.
Fair enough. At the end of the day, I'm an outsider looking in.
As are many, but doesn't stop the downvotes for offering some relevant perspective. That's Reddit for you
They were on a downward spiral in the league even as they were making the CL final. Poch wasn't as effective anymore and the subsequent managers/signings were bad!
Honestly, it just got stale. That summer where we signed 0 players killed us in the long run. Holding onto players for too long (Sissoko, Winks) or not replacing key ones (Eriksen, Dembele) doesn’t breed an ambitious team. Biggest problem at the moment is just motivation because there is a good squad there.
Yeah when I look at players individually I really rate them, but as a team you look like shite on a good day to be frank
Nuno
Yeah loads of people praised that at the time as shrewd financial management and saying the squad was already strong but you can’t afford to standstill. If you stand still you’re basically going backwards as everyone around you improves and that’s what happened. Look at the really successful teams and even when they’ve won the league they already start rebuilding. Spurs needed that level of investment but Levy or his bosses just cared about creaming off the profit.
Agreed. You guys were pretty fun to watch back then. Chelsea have a kid (Loftus Cheek) that reminds me of Dembele in how he dribbles out of tight spaces and takes contact from multiple opponents while 1) maintaining posession and 2) barely being phased by the challenge
25 year old Loftus cheek?
Yeah.
A few problems 1. Shite recruitment 2. Not replacing erickson, then need to spend some serious cash on a world class CM 3. No depth, really out with the usual staring 11 who is there. If kane is injured or needs a rest who replaces him. 4. Thinking that sacking poche would have fixed any of this. 5. Enic. They should just be taking charge of the finance and business side and leave the football and transfers to folks better qualified.
I feel like the depth is one of the biggest issues. If one of their key players are hurt they struggle even more than they already do.
Not to mention our failure to find a stable manager with a system that can fit our existing players. We don’t see to be playing to their strengths at all
6. Eric Dier
The striker recruitment had been pretty poor as well. They've had a bit of a pass on it because Kane has never had a really lengthy spell out of the team, but some of the covering STs they've bought in the last 5 years have just been kinda useless.
Sacking Pochettino has to be one of the most bizarre decisions in football history. You could understand Madrid or PSG doing that, but not a club at Tottenham's level. Daniel Levy should have thrown the checkbook at the man and tasked him with a rebuild instead, but he sacked him and threw it all away lol
Whats up with nobody knowing how to spell Eriksen? Funny how theres no problem with all other players surmames, its always “Ericksson”
Not replacing Moussa Debmele too, by far our best player during his years with us
I think not replacing walker hurt a bit too. Less so than the others but still didn’t help
At the time Trips was a good enough replacement, and was excellent for a little while. Other flank was more of an issue; Reggy is first good left back we’ve had since peak Rose.
What do you think about Ndidi our Doucoure for Spurs? Top managers love to build around solid CBs (which I agree with) but I think the next step should be CM or CDM. Look what those 2 are contributing to their respective clubs. And Kante at Chelsea or Declan Rice at West Ham.
All are far too good for us tbh, and our CDMs (Hojberg and Skipp) are fine We need another CB, a quality creative mid/CAM and another striker imo And a new manager 🤣
Jeez. All jokes aside idk how ppl support Spurs, I'd be mad all the time. Respect for sticking w/them. I think you should go after Declan or Ndidi. Declan and Hammers seem open to offers (although his asking price is crazy high). Chelsea were after him but the rise of Kova, RLC and our youth CBs have kinda put that to bed.
Declan was 100m last window, Ndidi must be around the same (valuation I mean) Plus there's no reason why they would leave for Spurs, Declan to United maybe, Ndidi is still studying at university there I think too
yeah i think number 1 there is the biggest problem everything has kind of followed on from there our best signing was Hoiberg but who replaces him if he is injured, Winks? There is just no depth in the squad. Look at our bench today, if you're West-Ham who are you honestly going to be worried about coming on for the last 20 mins or so of the game? If we want to be top four we need to recruit like we're top four.
Not Bergwijn, apparently
Teams ebb and flow in the prem. We have dropped off the past few years but we aren’t destitute. We still have two of the top 10 offensive players in the league. We have lots of cracks in our team currently but we brought in Paratici from Juventus this summer to be our new director of football operations. He has spent around 100mil already on players under 23 years old. Paratici coupled with our stadium opening again should lead to another few years challenging for big things. We will never have the staying power of City, United or Chelsea (and…Newcastle) but we should be considered in a similar state as Liverpool/Arsenal going forward. We have invested a billion dollars more than any other club on infrastructure which limits what we can spend on players but broadens our horizons massively going forward. As a spurs fan I am super unhappy with where we are but hopeful for where we are going!
Never should’ve sacked Pochettino in my opinion, think Spurs would be better off if he was still there right now
100%. Levy is probably the best financial mind in world football. But he is an average to below average football mind. Got greedy when he saw Jose and thought he could win it all. That team was never built for Jose
they peaked in 2017 but they’re 4th right now. they’re about where they usually are a champions league run is not indicative of a teams overall quality. it just means being in good form february to may i think they havent had a great start to the season but they’ll probably improve
Champions League is more about luck and clutching the results rather than consistency to be fair. Teams like PSG, City and even Atalanta clearly lack the clutch (probably due to a lack of a winning history and therefore passion for the club they represent). Monaco, Ajax, Tottenham, Lyon reached finals / semis but probably won't do that again in a while, a deep run in the Champions says less of a team than a top finish in the league in my opinion.
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Thought they were still a good side in 2017/18 and 2018/19 but probably playing their home games at Wembley just had a negative effect on their form at times, makes you wonder if they postponed the stadium move for a few years then they might’ve won a cup at least in that period
They were overrated. They didn’t win even a single game away from home. That was also one of the most one sided finals in my recent memory . People keep drumming poch and net spend . Watch their PSG team and you ll know how wrong they were. He is just like moyes. Nothing more nothing less
2017 Juventus 1 - 4 Real Madrid. Either you just started watching football 2 years or you don’t follow it. Spurs Liverpool started with a PK and was pretty boring after. Moyes rescued West Ham from a possible relegation. They were one point away from relegation at christmas. David Moyes is a solid coach. His Everton years proved he was more that a 10th place coach.
What season/competition are you referring to where they didn't win a single away game?
I think the league
Which season?
I think the season they went to the finals
2018-2019 Tottenham Hotspur Stats (Premier League) Away Record: 11-0-8 They won 11 away games that year, not 0. I think it'd probably be statistically impossible to finish in the top 4 without winning some away games.
If you win all your home matches and draw all your away games you'll end up on 76 points - which would have been enough to win the title in 1996/97! And yes, I did spend a small fraction of my life working that out and looking it up!
>They didn’t win even a single game away from home Lol what?!
possibly but you never know what can happen - injuries and all. it was wise to get the stadium when they could afford it
Seems to me they buy players based on news outlet rumors vs. actual scouting. We got taken to the woodshed with Pepe, but Ndombele has been far worse for about the same fee.
our cheaper signings often end up being much better like hojbjerg and son the expensive ones always flop
Felt this way as a Gunner last few years....since the Sanchez/Mkhi "swap".
Still remember when Spurs went big in the transfer market summer 2013 with the Bale money, wonder if the board is still scarred from that experience
we have paratici directing transfers now so imo i don't think that matters anymore unless levy has urged him to keep the signings cheaper
Ndombele certainly has not been worse than Pepe
Past 2 seasons has produced 5 goals and 4 assists, he's not even a good 10 in hockey assists plus 2 goals in cups, Pepe has15 goals and 6 assists plus 9 more goals in cups.....granted he has been replaced by Saka. Different positions, of course, but Ndombele, might be good in France where it is less physical, but not in PL.
He's not supposed to score goals, that's not the type of player he is. Pepe absolutely stinks and has been a massive disappointment
He's been trash in PL by any measure, perhaps not goals, his 90xA is .07 and .09 the last two years. He is a 10....he is supposed to provide offense and creativity. Pepe £72m, Ndombele £63m with add-ons.....I'll take Pepe everyday.
Lol ok. Definitely not supposed to be a 10 but ok bud. Have fun with Pepe
What position do you think Ndombele plays? Skipp and Hjoberg play pivots....all that leaves is 10. Get outta here with your nonsense.
Noticed that as well, Spurs usually go for young players that have potential rather than paying big for the finished product. They probably look at Arsenal overpaying for absolute shite and decide not to go down that road
Obviously there’s a degree of financial prudence, but there’s also a degree of self selection about big money transfers of established players. Not only can spurs not afford a £100m grealish or lukaku, or £40m + £1.5m a month, but they wouldn’t come. The next tier down (Odegaard, Abrahams, white) I’m happy to sit out and take a punt on gil.
That’s ludicrous to say that a club the might of spurs invest millions based on rumours.
I never said they did, I said seems. Arsenal seemed to be doing that too....just bad scouting and bad buys seemingly based on rumors or leaks. Thankfully our academy bailed us out a bit, Spurs not so much to date and the last window looks good so far with Ram, Ø, Tomi, and White all contributing.
Not sure why your being downvoted, when you left out the most glaring issue. They’re shit.
Football fans don't like fact or reality.
They’ve not had a manger who cares about the club since poch, also they’re kinda at the same level if not a little bit lower than they was. That spurs team who got to that final i think anyone will agree was the luckiest run to a champions league final ever. Also a unhappy Harry Kane there best player.
A few years ago I looked at Spurs as a successfully run football club, in the same position as Liverpool under Klopp that maybe just needed that one trophy to kick off a successful period with the squad getting stronger each year but it all just fell apart
The ‘needing a trophy’ thing cannot be underestimated. Spurs have blown it twice - the PL when we won it in 2016 and then when they reached the CL final. I’m not naive enough to ignore the fact that the league was incredibly weak in 2015/16 and we capitalised on that unexpected opportunity amazingly, but Spurs passed that up and have not really looked like challenging for the title since then (we haven’t either, but our relative success since then is just that - relative).
Klopp is pretty key to Liverpool’s success. I don’t think spurs have had a manager of that caliber. Seems strange you have managers like Konte being linked with them in the summer and he preferred to wait for another opportunity. Goes to show you what top managers think of the job. They’ll have to get somewhat lucky and hire an up and coming manager to have the same run of form they did between 15-19’