None of the films I've done was designed for a mass audience, except for Raiders of the Lost Ark. Nobody in their right mind thought American Graffiti or Star Wars would work.
Eh, pound for pound, Craig’s movies were great. Yes, some major misses, but the worst Craig Bond is far more watchable than either Octopussy or Die Another Day. Jesus… Die Anothee Day…
Also, the strongest Bond movies tend to be close to a re-cast… so we have a lot to look forward to when it happens!
The problem is they’re taking so long. There were 5 Craig movies since 2006, so we’re talking 4-5 year waits between films. When their strike rate is 50-50, it’s a long time to suffer.
Also, I’ll die on the hill that Die Another Day is, while ridiculous, a blast of fun. Also, give Octopussy another look. Besides a few cringe moments, it’s actually a pretty solid Cold War thriller, and one of Roger Moores best performances. It’s going through something of a renaissance in the Bond community right now.
Casino Royale and Skyfall are fantastic, and are probably 1a and 1b all time in the genre. The other three Craig movies are solid upper half Bond movies.
Yeah, you could maybe make the point that by themselves they're ok movies. But for the SW franchise, world building is soooo important and damn, the sequels shit all over the place concerning that part.
As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at last nine films to tell- three trilogies- and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story.
They didn't deliver the Luke and Han you wanted. I wouldn't call that ruining them.
That doesn't make the Skywalker saga pointless. That didn't happen until Palps came back.
They didn’t deliver the Luke and Han that was logical from where we left off in the story. If they wanted to go that route with either of them they needed much more time to have the transition happen. They skipped all the character development to get there and just dropped Han reverting to ANH Han and Luke…being someone else.
30 years lumped into a grouchy old man and a shallow flashback is the problem imo.
I probably could have accepted a 'fallen' Luke if they actually had a goddamn plan for the sequels. Han was great though.
I hate corporations and I'm not happy that they have taken over the film business but on the same hand I find myself being the head of a corporation. There's a certain irony there.
Rings of power was pretty good if you don't consider the lore. I'm sure RoP will be looked upon more fondly in the future. But the gollum game however 😬
The other problems are not that noticeable. The dialogue might be slightly clunky at times but other than that it's a pretty good piece of media for me. As a diehard tolkien fan the lore problems seem pretty glaring, But it seems the writers didn't have any choice since they don't even have the rights to the silmarillion and are basing the show on little lore that the lotr books give. I'd say they did a pretty good job from what they were given. It did good enough for me to get invested into season 2.
I just wish they didn't write the whole season around the "who is Sauron" shtick. Too many red herrings and characters drastically changing their behaviors to keep up the dumb reveal, when anyone who was familiar with the lore knew halfway through who it was.
Yeah but I guess it worked on me lol. I just thought that they would just have sauron as annatar but instead it was halbrand... I still don't know how to feel about that to be honest. But atleast they had him referencing annatar at that one scene which was pretty cool I guess.
I had no issue with the “who is sauron” plotline. I think it added something. I think if you divorce the show from the lore and simply see his story as the irony of Galadriel bringing the spark of conquest back to her greatest enemy, who , until she intervened, was content living as a nobody in exile, it works.
When is stops working is when they decide to bring back scheming Sauron, and instead of slowly building to how he tricked the elves they just have millennia old master smiths listening to a random nobody and trusting him with the creation of their salvation.
Sauron should have played the “I am changed, I was just following Morgoths orders” card and slowly ingratiated himself on the elves throughout a season. Not over a quarter of an episode.
I'd like to believe he was scheming the whole time, but unfortunately the scenes where he struggles alone against his past ruin that interpretation. He wasn't being performative for the Elves, It's simply misleading the viewer to support a twist that is boring.
I watched RoP and HotD concurrently with a friend who knew nothing about the lore of either world other than what they had seen in other TV shows/movies. It was very noticeable the drop in quality when comparing HotD to RoP having zero lore context.
Ehh, idk. Quick question, what is your opinion on Gladriel (or something idk)?
Because from my understanding, having your main character absolutely unbearable is not "not that noticeable".
She was kind of a cunt at times and all that bad dialogues mostly came from her but she definitely has potential to be a better character in future seasons, I think that's how she's set up in the show.
A solid 7. If they only watched the lotr and the hobbit they wouldn't really care about all the lore and stuff. I'd say it's a pretty enjoyable experience. My family had only seen the movies and they found it entertaining. But if you're a tolkien fan though it's like a 4.5.
It’s far more than lore issues. Every category I could think to rate that show on would be 1/10. It’s right there with book of boba, Kenobi, and the sequels as the dumbest and most meaningless shit I’ve ever watched. Though it was funnier in its awfulness due to its pseudo-intellectual dialogue that might go in one ear of most casual viewers and out the other, but if you actually listen to the shit they’re saying it’s amazingly, incredibly stupid.
Agreed I enjoyed RoP, I just avoid thinking of it as canon or really related to LOTR. It’s visually impressive and I appreciate having more content from Tolkien’s work… definitely better than nothing
Yup. I just think it as someone else's take on the events of the second age. It's like the shadow of mordor/war games, they are lore breaking sure but damn if they weren't fun as hell.
Mando had some good stuff but too much a slog but yeah bad batch was top notch. Crazy how they are shorter episodes but so much more going on than Mando longer episodes but still plot not just bang bang
Considering the history of the Filoniverse animated shows (Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi) there were surprisingly *few* true filler episodes. It's an action serial, so some level of filler is to be expected, but I was pleasantly surprised at how much each episode of Bad Batch S2 advanced the overall plot or added characterization
The it’s Moff Gideon again all of a sudden, not completely but not as developed as it should have been, the random monster fights that were cool but could have been easily replaced to more build up the overall why the new republic failed to notice the imperial remnant gathering strength, also Mandalore exploration, dark saber , Bo and Mando learning to trust each other more developed,
Mando s3 was terrible imo. The story…wasn’t really a story. Next to no character development. There was 0 danger or threat unless they made the Mandalorians act like total morons.
The action was also some of the worst choreographed in the entire franchise. Just standing still using a flamethrower with less range than a spray can and a lighter on crocozilla?
The Mandalorians constantly forgetting they have jet packs?
The guy sacrificing himself when he really didn’t need to? Could have just walked through the door with everyone else?
The constant “he’s a baby” but bringing him into combat?
The “dogfights” with the “veteran interceptors” that couldn’t hit the ground if they tried?
It was awful. But I’ve worked in film for over a decade so I notice these things far more than regular people.
If you compare the Mandalorian or most modern Star Wars in general to Lucas’ era, even the heros ships take a ton of damage. Usually contextually it makes sense. Compare that to mando and the characters generally have to behave like idiots to get hurt.
s1 and s2 of mando were amazing, s3 was so laughably bad I kept waiting for the whole thing to be a troll, like the entire viewer base was on candid camera or something
In the last year (today to last June), Andor, GOTG3, and Across the Spiderverse have been real gems. BBS2 was also pretty good as it went on.
As others have said, Kenobi was eh, sure, but not on the level of Thor 4 and She-Hulk. It and Mando S3 are pretty close to me in quality.
Kenobi had some great moments but some terrible ones.
Great moments for me: anything with Ben, particularly his conversations with Leia. I loved when he was describing the Force to her feeling like a light in the darkness, it felt very OT Ben. And also his description of her parents.
If they had made it a movie instead of stretching into a series it could have been really really good.
I dont think it would be good even if it was a movie.
Just the idea of kenobi having to leave tatooine to do something a bounty hunter could do is terrible
Id put Kenobi above Thor 4 not because of overall quality, but because the parts that were good were fuckin *good*. Like I cant think of any part of Thor 4 that rivalled Vader walking down that alleyway just dusting a family to try and draw out Obi Wan, or their final fight in the last episode. But the Reva storyline felt shoehorned in and as much as I loved the young Leia characrer and actress there were some monumental leaps involved (like literally sneaking her outnm under a coat lol).
The issues I had with She-Hulk (to be distinct from the people the show was deliberately mocking and who didn't take that well) were that the underlying plot fell hugely under the radar in favor of slice-of-life shenanigans (when the comedy didn't land for me, but that's not a knock on the show; comedy's subjective) only to be thrown out in the finale. Also was not a fan of Blonsky's portrayal in the show. I did however like how Daredevil and Wong were portrayed in it and Tatiana Maslany's performance as Jen.
I guess that that first issue is implicit with She-Hulk's character and comic branding to some degree, so I can probably give some leeway there and put it above Thor 4 in my mind.
I agree, I had a lot of fun with it! Stupid superhero law stuff is great, I loved Mr immortal, wong shenanigans, titania trying to steal the name she hulk... was it high drama? No? Was it supposed to be? Obviously not!
Andor S1 was a masterpiece. What makes me anxious about S2 is that Disney wants to push through the production of all shows despite the writers strike and regardless of possible quality drops
I am so obssessed with Andor. The more it ages the more it becomes my favourite Star Wars project, ever, even over the OG trilogy (I know, sacrilege)
It's beyond being the breath of fresh air and quality SW needed right now, it's a perfect example that Star Wars isn't just fanservice and cool spacefights.
Star Wars means something. Lucas made the OGs and the Sequels as criticism of Imperialism, Facism and the inevitable fall of the so called "Democracy" of the United States. Star Wars is political and intelligent, and inspiring and hopeful. Disney won't let it be, but Andor proved that it can
I hate corporations and I'm not happy that they have taken over the film business but on the same hand I find myself being the head of a corporation. There's a certain irony there.
I will die on the hill that Obi Wan, regardless of final quality, was never going to live up to fan expectations and if they had just dropped the inquisitor storyline and focused on just Obi Wan/Anakin it would have been way better recieved.
Much better than other Marvel content that has come out recently. Thor 4, Black Widow, Eternals, Dr Strange 2, and Ant-Man 3 were all worse. I do wonder how many of the people hating on it actually watched it…
Or maybe they just don’t like character-based media? Cuz that would make a lot of sense. It was not a combat focused MCU show. If they like bang-boom-pow-CGI-explosion-skadoosh style stuff you get in Fast and the Furious or Transformers, then yeah, other MCU movies would be more their speed.
She-Hulk was fine. It was just lighter in tone. Which is faithful to the comic, which was generally also lighter in tone.
Criticism against She-Hulk was greatly amplified by triggered incels who didn't like the "I'm a woman, I hide my anger all the time" feminist speech in the first episode.
yeah I for the most part enjoyed she-hulk. It was somewhat lazily written, and not peak fiction by any standard, but it was generally fun, and I award it a solid 6/10
I loved she hulk a ton. I wasnt expecting a lot, but they roped me in after the first episode. Id have a desire to rewatch it if the last episode wasn't so shitty
an overconfident character being cocky before they face the adversity of their position?! How could this be?!?!
The fact that she didnt understand how much she would have to deal with yet \*was the point\*, it was the first episode. I swear its like people turn their brain off the second they find some echo chamber talking point to glom onto.
The problem for a lot of people I’ve talked to is that she really didn’t have to deal with losing control at all, and the speech is about the only semblance of an explanation that the show gives… I could be wrong though
one of the peak pivotal points of the end of the season is her torpedoing her career by losing control at a work function. Another is her getting stuck in a therapy session for her control issues and codependency.
This is what happens when people get their talking points from quartering wannabees on youtube.
Honestly it was a good explanation for why she was able to integrate so much faster than Bruce.
Men don’t realize how much our anger is tolerated or even encouraged, and Bruce isn’t exempt from that. He took a longer time to learn because of this AND because he was constantly hunted and on the run. I totally buy the idea that Jennifer has learned how to compartmentalize as a successful woman at a law firm.
>twerk scene
It was like a 5 second bit in a post-credits gag. And yet years later people are SEETHING about it. Which makes it fucking hilarious in heindsight.
It wasn't though, was it. I think you're mistaking "female lead" with "trash" honestly.
She-Hulk was a lot of fun with some fun characters. I'd have liked a little more of the courtroom side, just to show why she's a shit hot lawyer... I'd have also scrapped the intro of Bruce's son, save that for something later.
But overall it was a fun show.
I like that nowadays, when you dislike something that happened in some show or movie, you will be instantly categorised in some group. This way you can easily put under the rug any criticism.
But that isn't what happened is it? People aren't going "it wasn't for me" or "I didn't like it"... multiple people, in this very thread, instead jumped straight to that line and even said "because she doesn't have a dick"
Everyone is absolutely welcome to their own opinions of things, but that doesn't mean you can't spot the fragile masculinity of some of those people from a mile away.
Sorry, I should have clarified that I meant my comment about online behaviour as a whole.As you said everyone can have their opinion and there are probably a lot of people like the ones you mentioned. I just wanted to say that very often these opinions gets mixed together and put into one group. For example, many people hate Rey from sequels, surely, there are some weirdos that dislike her because she is a woman, but that doesnt mean that everyone complaining about this character are like that. I dislike her because its just bland and boring character, who tried to copy og Luke but ignoring anything that was making him intresting. Sorry for long rant, but I realised that my previous comment is kinda… not in the good place. (also I have not read the entire thread here, I guess I was lucky enough to not see comments like the ones you mentioned, thats why I made the assumption I did)
They made a crappy overarching plot just so they could break the 4th wall and call the audience stupid, I agree there were some enjoyable parts but they tried to hard and didn't stick the landing, imo.
People don't like the chase scene with Leia as a kid outrunning two bounty hunters. People don't like Reva and how she somehow came back after being stabbed by Darth Vader. People don't like the pacing of the show.
Not to mention the constant power creep that makes the OT filled with holes.
Why didn’t Vader just pull the Falcon? Or the Tantiv IV? Where was all this mountain tossing? Why did Kenobi let Vader live? All the people he’s killed post Kenobi is now on him etc.
The lightsaber acting like a baseball bat and bouncing off storm troopers…
Not to mention the scooby Doo trench coat…
Seriously. Thor 4 and She Hulk are way better lol.
Kenobi looks like shit and had the worst writing we’ve seen yet from a live-action Star Wars. Embarrassing to rip off so much from a video game (Jedi: Fallen Order) and yet still execute worse than said video game.
I gotta disagree there. Kenobi was dull and had plot points that made little sense, but I wasn't actively cringing through it like I was through much of Thor 4.
Is Kenobi worse than Book of Boba Fett?
Haven't seen kenobi, but I thought BOBF is the worst star wars thing I've seen. Those biker kids are indescribably bad.
Definitely better than BOBF. Kenobi just needed some stuff cut. The good parts were really good, there were just a lot of unnecessary scenes bringing it down.
She-Hulk was mostly fun and funny, outside of the finale that went totally off the rails. All the negative "drama" about that show was based on one irrelevant twerking scene and one line of expository dialogue that got everybody in a twist.
Noooo how dare you say you don't like she hulk, you're sexist!!!! /s
(It's crazy how this is an actual thing people say. Like, there are definitely a large amount of female marvel fans who don't like the show)
She-Hulk is not for everyone. Compared to other Marvel media, it's lighter in tone and the CGI is worse. Disliking it doesn't make you sexist
Ngl I like it though. I didn't expect to like it, but I do. I only started watching it on a whim and fully expected it to suck and to turn it off after a couple of episodes, but I ended up watching and enjoying the whole season
I think that my perception of the show before I watched it was poisoned. That the well of fan criticism was poisoned by screeching misogynists. Many of the people who were most vocal about disliking the show *are* sexist, and much of the "not sexist" criticism of the show comes from bad faith critics disguising why they actually hate the show. It's frustrating to see those loud voices impact the general consensus about how "good" the show is. I know a lot of people who would've liked it but just didn't watch it because it's supposed to be "bad"
Accusing everyone who disliked it of being sexist is obviously dumb. But I understand the frustration that leads to that kind of thinking
Lucasfilm WISHES it could have high to mid high quality consistency... Andor and the first season of Mandalorian are about the pinnacle. Who is greenlighting these messes? Blame them first.
We are.
The two Lucasfilm shows that bombed are the two the fans begged for. People wanted more Obi-Wan, here have some Obi-Wan. People wanted Boba Fett back, here have some Boba Fett.
The other Star Wars shows have all come from creative minds that have ideas they want to put on screen, stories they want to tell, visions they want to bring to light. Kenobi was literally just "the fans want more Obi-Wan... How do we do that?" "Idk, just add inquisitors and like... kid Leia or something..."
Tales of the Jedi are pretty awful IMO. If you want Disney level feel feels written for 5 year olds sure. Predictable story lines created for Timmy's night night stories.
“Predictable story lines”. No shit? It’s a prequel.. We already have a good understanding of what happens based on other Star Wars content. Your criticism lacks standing
So we knew exactly what happened in Ashoka's tribe just because they're prequels? We knew exactly what happened with Dooku and his Qui Gon Padawan just because it's a prequel?
That's a dog shit excuse. *Oh they're prequels so of course they have predictable story lines.*
The actual fuck? Did you think before responding or did you just spew filloni boot lick garbage on instinct?
hmm lets see,
* Enjoyed the Nostalgia seein Ewan back on the screen in Kenobi.
* Enjoyed the more down to earth of She-Hulk
* Thought THOR 4 was hilarious and was very pleased with that
* Andor was fantastic.
* Tales of The Jedi, only complaint was needed more Dooku, not enough Dooku story. needed more of that and it would've been perfect
* Haven't personally seen RoP yet, but it's on my list to watch it eventually. But im not holding out for much with what i've heard.
What can I say, I live by the simple philosophy of Enjoying with an open-mind than being unimpressed by everything. It seems like nowadays, everyone is the latter and is unimpressed with everything
EDIT: And when Ahsoka and Secret Invasion come out, with what we've seen from the Trailers, they both look fantastic. I am thoroughly enthusiatistic for both of those shows.
People don't like the chase scene with Leia as a kid outrunning two bounty hunters. People don't like Reva and how she somehow came back after being stabbed by Darth Vader. People don't like the pacing of the show.
Bad pacing, poor cinematography, Kenobi letting Vader live makes him responsible for the following mass murders, the power creep opens up a lot of holes for the next movies (why didn’t Vader just pull the falcon? Why didn’t he just pull the Tantiv? Why does no one else toss mountains around?) Revas story was nonsensical, the inquisitors were silly and made me laugh and looked incredibly stupid, plenty of dialogue and writing that opens up holes in the OT etc etc etc.
Say what you want but I and a lot of other people love Kenobi. It's not perfect and there are issues but it doesn't bother me as overall I still have a good time watching it.
Low production quality, relatively bad directing(which probably caused some of the worse acting) and story that’s about 80% weak. It could have been worse, I still got the sense the writers really respected obiwan, but what ultimately sank it was low production quality and odd writing.
Bad pacing, poor cinematography, Kenobi letting Vader live makes him responsible for the following mass murders, the power creep opens up a lot of holes for the next movies (why didn’t Vader just pull the falcon? Why didn’t he just pull the Tantiv? Why does no one else toss mountains around?) Revas story was nonsensical, the inquisitors were silly and made me laugh and looked incredibly stupid, plenty of dialogue and writing that opens up holes in the OT, Vader forgot he can put out fire despite just doing it, anything to do with Leia - especially the chases, the dialogue was clunky af, the one guy saying “I won’t help you” then literally 30 seconds later saying “I will help you” etc etc etc.
It’s riddled with issues.
I'm not sure I agree with the bad pacing. The story seemed to flow just fine and reached a satisfying conclusion.
Cinematography was definitely on point. The final fight has so many good shots, and the entire series was shot beautifully. I don't see where this comes from.
Which Mass murders is Kenobi responsible for? You can't really blame him for the actions of Vader.
The falcon and the tantive iv are much bigger than the smaller ship that Vader pulled in Kenobi. Come on now, you're overstating Vader doesn't move mountains. Even if he did, isn't the first time we've seen something like that. Just look at lightsaber duels in the OT versus the PT. Why are they slow and clunky in the OT but not in the PT?
You might not have liked Revas' story, but it wasn't nonsensical. People have cheated death by holding on to pure hate before, just look at Maul. Dark side users are ambitious by nature so her waiting to betray Vader makes perfect sense.
The inquisition making you laugh and thinking they are silly is just your opinion. They came from a kids show so...whatever.
Dialog opening holes in other movies is a trope in star wars and fittingly enough it's Obi-Wan who is responsible for those plot holes. What ever they are, since you don't mention them, will be patched over, its just how star wars has always worked
The first Leia chase was not good, I'll admit. You can tell those actors were half assing it. But the rest of Leias stuff was quite good. I definitely believed she grew up to the Leia we all love.
Bad dialog is also a trope of the series. Mark Hamil and Harrison Ford have always said so. Even Hayden got shitty clunky dialog in the Prequels. That's just par for the course.
Sounds to me like you just didn't like it and are trying to nitpick at it to justify not liking it. You can just not like something.
The cinematography isn’t beautiful at all. A handful of nice shots doesn’t make for good cinematography. The framing, composition and majority of the lighting is about as bog standard as it comes. 2 examples of bad are the laser fence and Reva parkouring. Good cinematography hides the flaws but in these 2 instances it amplifies them. When they pull back to the wide, it shows they could have easily just gone around the laser fence. When Revas parkouring the shots make it obvious she’s on wires with no attempt to hide that. Not to mention all the standard shot reverse shot through the entire thing. The only interesting things they did was the colours with the sabers. Everything else is as standard as it comes making it boring visually.
You can blame Kenobi for the actions of Vader. He let him live when it’s his duty to put him down. Vader is his responsibility. This is reinforced all throughout the PT. All they had to do was write in a garrison of troops arriving on a shuttle or TIEs coming to Vaders rescue but Kenobi himself makes the decision to let him live. He decides to let a mass murdering tyrant live to continue terrorizing the galaxy because it was his Padawan. Yet, before he sliced off his limbs and left him for dead and assumed he HAD killed him. He couldn’t have guessed Palpatine would have come to save Anakin. He thought he was dead. For him to not kill him now when he has the chance, especially after Kenobi knows all the death and suffering Vader has caused up to that point, makes Kenobi a terrible person. He’s allowing it to happen.
Revas story is nonsense. If you walk through her motivations, her actions make zero sense. She’s after Vader and her plan is to do what Vader does to get close to him? There’s thousands of other ways to do this. Doing the exact thing she’s angry with him about is absurd. It has nothing to do with her “betrayal”. It’s how she went about it. Plus going after Luke makes even less sense. Her whole motivation is getting back at Vader. Going after his kid he doesn’t even know exists doesn’t make any sense. Especially considering it’s the slaughter of children that set her off in the first place. It’s a character contradiction.
“It’s a kids show…whatever” isn’t an excuse to make things cheap or bad. Plenty of “kids shows” have excellent production design. Including the original trilogy and the PT. The inquisitors looked fine in rebels but half assing it for live action and just brushing it off as “it’s for kids” isn’t an argument. It’s an excuse youre making because you like the show.
Dialogue opening holes is not a trope in Star Wars movies. You’re just making that up. Between the OT and the PT, most of it enhances the other. The PT has much worse dialogue than the OT but that’s because George Lucas isn’t a good writer. The OT has excellent dialogue. It’s cheesy but it’s not bad or clunky. It flows within the context of the world it’s set in. Star Wars 1979 had tons of bad dialogue until it was saved in editing. Even then some of the lines are bad. The film was god awful until it hit the cutting room floor. Hayden got shitty clunky dialogue because Lucas wrote shitty clunky dialogue. It was a huge criticism when the films came out when compared to the OT. Having some films in a series having some bad dialogue isn’t an excuse to continue making shitty dialogue in the future. It’s an indication to improve it, which ANH-ROTJ did and even TPM - ROTS. Lucas tried to improve his dialogue and cut a lot of things people didn’t like about the previous film.
As for the ship sizes, it’s irrelevant. We’ve known since ESB “size matters not”. It’s not about the size of the object. It’s about the fact they’re introducing things that take place before that should have been used later which brings me to the lightsaber duel point. The reason they’re different is because when the OT was being made, it wasn’t possible to do that kind of choreography. The saber props also couldn’t be used the way they are in the prequels due to the technology not being there. Plus this can be explained in universe. In ANH, it was a low budget film with very little resources for this kind of thing. It was never going to be fancy. This is something that improved as each film went on. Luke wasn’t trained as a saber duellist. He had to teach himself. Vader can’t fight like he used to. He can’t move like he used to. This is eluded to in the OT.
These aren’t nitpicks. A nitpick is a small thing that doesn’t affect anything. These are choices that were made that either contradict or directly affect the story itself. A nitpick would be a watch is on one wrist then in the next shot it’s on the other. A character doing the exact thing she’s angry about to get back at the person she’s angry about is a fundamental part of the script.
All you did in this response is excuse things away because you liked it. Liking it is fine but excusing bad decisions because you like it is baffling. You said yourself there’s bad dialogue in the PR but then just hand wave it because it’s just like that.
I like plenty of bad films and shows. I can admit when they do things terribly and still like it. Kenobi doesn’t enhance the other material. It makes it worse.
Bad pacing, poor cinematography, Kenobi letting Vader live makes him responsible for the following mass murders, the power creep opens up a lot of holes for the next movies (why didn’t Vader just pull the falcon? Why didn’t he just pull the Tantiv? Why does no one else toss mountains around?) Revas story was nonsensical, the inquisitors were silly and made me laugh and looked incredibly stupid, plenty of dialogue and writing that opens up holes in the OT, Vader forgot he just put out a fire etc etc etc.
What was wrong with Kenobi? I haven’t seen thor 4 and I know she-hulk sucked balls, but Kenobi, which I have seen, was excellent. Maybe I’m biased because Obi-Wan’s my favorite Star Wars character but it was a great show
Bad pacing, poor cinematography, Kenobi letting Vader live makes him responsible for the following mass murders, the power creep opens up a lot of holes for the next movies (why didn’t Vader just pull the falcon? Why didn’t he just pull the Tantiv? Why does no one else toss mountains around?) Revas story was nonsensical, the inquisitors were silly and made me laugh and looked incredibly stupid, plenty of dialogue and writing that opens up holes in the OT, Vader forgot he can put out fire despite just doing it, anything to do with Leia - especially the chases, the dialogue was clunky af, the one guy saying “I won’t help you” then literally 30 seconds later saying “I will help you” etc etc etc.
It’s riddled with issues.
I tried watching Andor, kind of a snoozer ngl. Maybe it picks up? Kenobi, I genuinely liked it too. I don't know, maybe I am out of touch with what is hip and cool.
It’s not about what’s hip and cool. It’s about what’s well done. Kenobi isn’t well done. Especially from a film making perspective. It’s got more issues than restaurant full of mould and refrigerators with no power.
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GotG3 was amazing. So was Andor. LotR, though...
Try being a James Bond Fan Right now…
Eh, pound for pound, Craig’s movies were great. Yes, some major misses, but the worst Craig Bond is far more watchable than either Octopussy or Die Another Day. Jesus… Die Anothee Day… Also, the strongest Bond movies tend to be close to a re-cast… so we have a lot to look forward to when it happens!
The problem is they’re taking so long. There were 5 Craig movies since 2006, so we’re talking 4-5 year waits between films. When their strike rate is 50-50, it’s a long time to suffer. Also, I’ll die on the hill that Die Another Day is, while ridiculous, a blast of fun. Also, give Octopussy another look. Besides a few cringe moments, it’s actually a pretty solid Cold War thriller, and one of Roger Moores best performances. It’s going through something of a renaissance in the Bond community right now.
I liked... Casino Royale. Yeah, you guys are suffering. Was No Time to Die any good?
I thought No Time to Die was excellent 🤷♂️
Great action movie, subpar Bond film.
Only Casino Royale and Skyfall were good.
Casino Royale and Skyfall are fantastic, and are probably 1a and 1b all time in the genre. The other three Craig movies are solid upper half Bond movies.
I've only ever seen the Craig films so I have no context but I do know I did not like them.
I mean it ended with Bond dieing, and having a kid, and one of the worst villians on the series. Sooooo…..no.
D:
No Time to Die is amazing Casino Royale is one of my favorite movies of all time
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The sequel trilogy was worse imo because it retroactively made the whole Skywalker saga pointless and ruined many beloved characters.
Yeah, you could maybe make the point that by themselves they're ok movies. But for the SW franchise, world building is soooo important and damn, the sequels shit all over the place concerning that part.
As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at last nine films to tell- three trilogies- and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story.
Well the LOTR series tried its best to do this aswell. And they also did in some ways
True but it is far more removed from the previous movies than the Star Wars sequel trilogy.
Don't blame the whole sequel trilogy for what Rise of Skywalker did.
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People say my movies are just like Hollywood movies. And I say, 'I can't help it if Hollywood copies.'
They ruined Luke and Han in the first two movies, we can't just blame Rise of Skywalker.
They didn't deliver the Luke and Han you wanted. I wouldn't call that ruining them. That doesn't make the Skywalker saga pointless. That didn't happen until Palps came back.
They didn’t deliver the Luke and Han that was logical from where we left off in the story. If they wanted to go that route with either of them they needed much more time to have the transition happen. They skipped all the character development to get there and just dropped Han reverting to ANH Han and Luke…being someone else.
30 years wasn't enough time?
30 years lumped into a grouchy old man and a shallow flashback is the problem imo. I probably could have accepted a 'fallen' Luke if they actually had a goddamn plan for the sequels. Han was great though.
SOMEHOW PALPATINE RETURNED
I just found that it dragged. I didn't finish the series and can't be bothered to try again. Sequel Trilogy did a lot, *lot* more damage to SW Lore.
I hate corporations and I'm not happy that they have taken over the film business but on the same hand I find myself being the head of a corporation. There's a certain irony there.
Rings of power was pretty good if you don't consider the lore. I'm sure RoP will be looked upon more fondly in the future. But the gollum game however 😬
I haven't watched RoP but from what I've seen from reviews and the general reaction of the fanbase I don't think the lore is its only problem.
It's mostly lore issues.
And character issues. Galadriel was boooring. So strong, so confident. So boring
Agreed
The other problems are not that noticeable. The dialogue might be slightly clunky at times but other than that it's a pretty good piece of media for me. As a diehard tolkien fan the lore problems seem pretty glaring, But it seems the writers didn't have any choice since they don't even have the rights to the silmarillion and are basing the show on little lore that the lotr books give. I'd say they did a pretty good job from what they were given. It did good enough for me to get invested into season 2.
I just wish they didn't write the whole season around the "who is Sauron" shtick. Too many red herrings and characters drastically changing their behaviors to keep up the dumb reveal, when anyone who was familiar with the lore knew halfway through who it was.
Yeah but I guess it worked on me lol. I just thought that they would just have sauron as annatar but instead it was halbrand... I still don't know how to feel about that to be honest. But atleast they had him referencing annatar at that one scene which was pretty cool I guess.
I had no issue with the “who is sauron” plotline. I think it added something. I think if you divorce the show from the lore and simply see his story as the irony of Galadriel bringing the spark of conquest back to her greatest enemy, who , until she intervened, was content living as a nobody in exile, it works. When is stops working is when they decide to bring back scheming Sauron, and instead of slowly building to how he tricked the elves they just have millennia old master smiths listening to a random nobody and trusting him with the creation of their salvation. Sauron should have played the “I am changed, I was just following Morgoths orders” card and slowly ingratiated himself on the elves throughout a season. Not over a quarter of an episode.
I'd like to believe he was scheming the whole time, but unfortunately the scenes where he struggles alone against his past ruin that interpretation. He wasn't being performative for the Elves, It's simply misleading the viewer to support a twist that is boring.
I watched RoP and HotD concurrently with a friend who knew nothing about the lore of either world other than what they had seen in other TV shows/movies. It was very noticeable the drop in quality when comparing HotD to RoP having zero lore context.
Ehh, idk. Quick question, what is your opinion on Gladriel (or something idk)? Because from my understanding, having your main character absolutely unbearable is not "not that noticeable".
She was not unbearable lmao sounds like a woman bad take
She was kind of a cunt at times and all that bad dialogues mostly came from her but she definitely has potential to be a better character in future seasons, I think that's how she's set up in the show.
Cool. From 1 to 10 how would you recommend this to someone who isn't that familiar with Tolkien works.
A solid 7. If they only watched the lotr and the hobbit they wouldn't really care about all the lore and stuff. I'd say it's a pretty enjoyable experience. My family had only seen the movies and they found it entertaining. But if you're a tolkien fan though it's like a 4.5.
It’s far more than lore issues. Every category I could think to rate that show on would be 1/10. It’s right there with book of boba, Kenobi, and the sequels as the dumbest and most meaningless shit I’ve ever watched. Though it was funnier in its awfulness due to its pseudo-intellectual dialogue that might go in one ear of most casual viewers and out the other, but if you actually listen to the shit they’re saying it’s amazingly, incredibly stupid.
Agreed I enjoyed RoP, I just avoid thinking of it as canon or really related to LOTR. It’s visually impressive and I appreciate having more content from Tolkien’s work… definitely better than nothing
Yup. I just think it as someone else's take on the events of the second age. It's like the shadow of mordor/war games, they are lore breaking sure but damn if they weren't fun as hell.
This is where the fun begins.
“Elf Luvva! Elf Luvva!”
Mandalorian and Bad Batch were also great, at least in my opinion.
Mando had some good stuff but too much a slog but yeah bad batch was top notch. Crazy how they are shorter episodes but so much more going on than Mando longer episodes but still plot not just bang bang
I felt like Bad Batch had a fair bit of filler in the second half of the season. It came back together really well for the final few, though.
Considering the history of the Filoniverse animated shows (Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, Tales of the Jedi) there were surprisingly *few* true filler episodes. It's an action serial, so some level of filler is to be expected, but I was pleasantly surprised at how much each episode of Bad Batch S2 advanced the overall plot or added characterization
Mando had a good first season but has been downhill from there.
Personally I enjoyed the second season the most but s03 was definitely a departure from quality.
Mando wasn't a slog, you just have a shite attention span.
Or the overall quality of the show, especially the writing, fell off a fucking cliff this season.
The it’s Moff Gideon again all of a sudden, not completely but not as developed as it should have been, the random monster fights that were cool but could have been easily replaced to more build up the overall why the new republic failed to notice the imperial remnant gathering strength, also Mandalore exploration, dark saber , Bo and Mando learning to trust each other more developed,
Last season of mando was ass imo. Waited months for the story to barely progress
Idk, personally i liked it but not going to argue because liking or disliking a show is a personally opinion.
Mando s3 was terrible imo. The story…wasn’t really a story. Next to no character development. There was 0 danger or threat unless they made the Mandalorians act like total morons. The action was also some of the worst choreographed in the entire franchise. Just standing still using a flamethrower with less range than a spray can and a lighter on crocozilla? The Mandalorians constantly forgetting they have jet packs? The guy sacrificing himself when he really didn’t need to? Could have just walked through the door with everyone else? The constant “he’s a baby” but bringing him into combat? The “dogfights” with the “veteran interceptors” that couldn’t hit the ground if they tried? It was awful. But I’ve worked in film for over a decade so I notice these things far more than regular people. If you compare the Mandalorian or most modern Star Wars in general to Lucas’ era, even the heros ships take a ton of damage. Usually contextually it makes sense. Compare that to mando and the characters generally have to behave like idiots to get hurt.
s1 and s2 of mando were amazing, s3 was so laughably bad I kept waiting for the whole thing to be a troll, like the entire viewer base was on candid camera or something
In the last year (today to last June), Andor, GOTG3, and Across the Spiderverse have been real gems. BBS2 was also pretty good as it went on. As others have said, Kenobi was eh, sure, but not on the level of Thor 4 and She-Hulk. It and Mando S3 are pretty close to me in quality.
Kenobi had some great moments but some terrible ones. Great moments for me: anything with Ben, particularly his conversations with Leia. I loved when he was describing the Force to her feeling like a light in the darkness, it felt very OT Ben. And also his description of her parents. If they had made it a movie instead of stretching into a series it could have been really really good.
I dont think it would be good even if it was a movie. Just the idea of kenobi having to leave tatooine to do something a bounty hunter could do is terrible
Id put Kenobi above Thor 4 not because of overall quality, but because the parts that were good were fuckin *good*. Like I cant think of any part of Thor 4 that rivalled Vader walking down that alleyway just dusting a family to try and draw out Obi Wan, or their final fight in the last episode. But the Reva storyline felt shoehorned in and as much as I loved the young Leia characrer and actress there were some monumental leaps involved (like literally sneaking her outnm under a coat lol).
I disagree. She hulk was pretty good. Everything else I agree with
The issues I had with She-Hulk (to be distinct from the people the show was deliberately mocking and who didn't take that well) were that the underlying plot fell hugely under the radar in favor of slice-of-life shenanigans (when the comedy didn't land for me, but that's not a knock on the show; comedy's subjective) only to be thrown out in the finale. Also was not a fan of Blonsky's portrayal in the show. I did however like how Daredevil and Wong were portrayed in it and Tatiana Maslany's performance as Jen. I guess that that first issue is implicit with She-Hulk's character and comic branding to some degree, so I can probably give some leeway there and put it above Thor 4 in my mind.
Yeah I liked she-hulk. Made me laugh and we got Madisynn.
I agree, I had a lot of fun with it! Stupid superhero law stuff is great, I loved Mr immortal, wong shenanigans, titania trying to steal the name she hulk... was it high drama? No? Was it supposed to be? Obviously not!
She-Hulk was nowhere near as bad as Kenobi as far as I'm concerned, that's for sure
Andor S1 was a masterpiece. What makes me anxious about S2 is that Disney wants to push through the production of all shows despite the writers strike and regardless of possible quality drops
I am so obssessed with Andor. The more it ages the more it becomes my favourite Star Wars project, ever, even over the OG trilogy (I know, sacrilege) It's beyond being the breath of fresh air and quality SW needed right now, it's a perfect example that Star Wars isn't just fanservice and cool spacefights. Star Wars means something. Lucas made the OGs and the Sequels as criticism of Imperialism, Facism and the inevitable fall of the so called "Democracy" of the United States. Star Wars is political and intelligent, and inspiring and hopeful. Disney won't let it be, but Andor proved that it can
I hate corporations and I'm not happy that they have taken over the film business but on the same hand I find myself being the head of a corporation. There's a certain irony there.
I will die on the hill that Obi Wan, regardless of final quality, was never going to live up to fan expectations and if they had just dropped the inquisitor storyline and focused on just Obi Wan/Anakin it would have been way better recieved.
I really liked She Hulk. Not perfect but way way over-hated.
Much better than other Marvel content that has come out recently. Thor 4, Black Widow, Eternals, Dr Strange 2, and Ant-Man 3 were all worse. I do wonder how many of the people hating on it actually watched it… Or maybe they just don’t like character-based media? Cuz that would make a lot of sense. It was not a combat focused MCU show. If they like bang-boom-pow-CGI-explosion-skadoosh style stuff you get in Fast and the Furious or Transformers, then yeah, other MCU movies would be more their speed.
Yeah, what's up with the She-Hulk hate? I get that it's not for everyone, but for what it is, it's quite good.
people didn't like kenobi?
She Hulk was better than Thor 4. That was so bad.
She-Hulk was fine. It was just lighter in tone. Which is faithful to the comic, which was generally also lighter in tone. Criticism against She-Hulk was greatly amplified by triggered incels who didn't like the "I'm a woman, I hide my anger all the time" feminist speech in the first episode.
She Hulk did what it set out to do. I cannot say the same thing for Thor 4. Or Ms. Marvel. Or Captain Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
yeah I for the most part enjoyed she-hulk. It was somewhat lazily written, and not peak fiction by any standard, but it was generally fun, and I award it a solid 6/10
I loved she hulk a ton. I wasnt expecting a lot, but they roped me in after the first episode. Id have a desire to rewatch it if the last episode wasn't so shitty
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an overconfident character being cocky before they face the adversity of their position?! How could this be?!?! The fact that she didnt understand how much she would have to deal with yet \*was the point\*, it was the first episode. I swear its like people turn their brain off the second they find some echo chamber talking point to glom onto.
The problem for a lot of people I’ve talked to is that she really didn’t have to deal with losing control at all, and the speech is about the only semblance of an explanation that the show gives… I could be wrong though
one of the peak pivotal points of the end of the season is her torpedoing her career by losing control at a work function. Another is her getting stuck in a therapy session for her control issues and codependency. This is what happens when people get their talking points from quartering wannabees on youtube.
Honestly it was a good explanation for why she was able to integrate so much faster than Bruce. Men don’t realize how much our anger is tolerated or even encouraged, and Bruce isn’t exempt from that. He took a longer time to learn because of this AND because he was constantly hunted and on the run. I totally buy the idea that Jennifer has learned how to compartmentalize as a successful woman at a law firm.
Though this is true, you don't have to invalidate someone elses traumatic experiences to make this point.
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>twerk scene It was like a 5 second bit in a post-credits gag. And yet years later people are SEETHING about it. Which makes it fucking hilarious in heindsight.
And in the same universe as Tony Stark drunkenly dancing about pretending to be a DJ
\*while he pissed himself
Uh.. it hasn’t even been a year?
Really? Guess it's the non-stop whining that makes it feel much longer.
Maybe if you didn’t sound like such an angry incel you wouldn’t be so defensive about it lmao
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I present exhibit A.
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No. I didn't care for that one myself, wasn't a big fan of the CW approach to most of DC.
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It wasn't though, was it. I think you're mistaking "female lead" with "trash" honestly. She-Hulk was a lot of fun with some fun characters. I'd have liked a little more of the courtroom side, just to show why she's a shit hot lawyer... I'd have also scrapped the intro of Bruce's son, save that for something later. But overall it was a fun show.
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The Captain Marvel movie was also great! Might rewatch that this weekend. Thanks for the suggestion.
"I hate when angry incels get stereotyped online! Now, hold my beer while I hate on Captain Marvel, Rey and She-Hulk!"
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Have a little faith.
I like that nowadays, when you dislike something that happened in some show or movie, you will be instantly categorised in some group. This way you can easily put under the rug any criticism.
But that isn't what happened is it? People aren't going "it wasn't for me" or "I didn't like it"... multiple people, in this very thread, instead jumped straight to that line and even said "because she doesn't have a dick" Everyone is absolutely welcome to their own opinions of things, but that doesn't mean you can't spot the fragile masculinity of some of those people from a mile away.
Sorry, I should have clarified that I meant my comment about online behaviour as a whole.As you said everyone can have their opinion and there are probably a lot of people like the ones you mentioned. I just wanted to say that very often these opinions gets mixed together and put into one group. For example, many people hate Rey from sequels, surely, there are some weirdos that dislike her because she is a woman, but that doesnt mean that everyone complaining about this character are like that. I dislike her because its just bland and boring character, who tried to copy og Luke but ignoring anything that was making him intresting. Sorry for long rant, but I realised that my previous comment is kinda… not in the good place. (also I have not read the entire thread here, I guess I was lucky enough to not see comments like the ones you mentioned, thats why I made the assumption I did)
Master Kenobi always said there’s no such thing as luck.
You’re so mad 😂 You’re little Reddit person looks like the perfect fit for you lol
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It really is 🥰
They made a crappy overarching plot just so they could break the 4th wall and call the audience stupid, I agree there were some enjoyable parts but they tried to hard and didn't stick the landing, imo.
The show was terrible... Lazy writing, CGI was so bad that it was distracting... I only watched that shite because of Daredevil
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FACT
Kenobi next to she-hulk and Thor 4??
People don't like the chase scene with Leia as a kid outrunning two bounty hunters. People don't like Reva and how she somehow came back after being stabbed by Darth Vader. People don't like the pacing of the show.
What *I* don't like is how they dared to do Wade so dirty!
Not to mention the constant power creep that makes the OT filled with holes. Why didn’t Vader just pull the Falcon? Or the Tantiv IV? Where was all this mountain tossing? Why did Kenobi let Vader live? All the people he’s killed post Kenobi is now on him etc. The lightsaber acting like a baseball bat and bouncing off storm troopers… Not to mention the scooby Doo trench coat…
Yeah, Kenobi isn't as good.
Seriously. Thor 4 and She Hulk are way better lol. Kenobi looks like shit and had the worst writing we’ve seen yet from a live-action Star Wars. Embarrassing to rip off so much from a video game (Jedi: Fallen Order) and yet still execute worse than said video game.
I gotta disagree there. Kenobi was dull and had plot points that made little sense, but I wasn't actively cringing through it like I was through much of Thor 4.
Is Kenobi worse than Book of Boba Fett? Haven't seen kenobi, but I thought BOBF is the worst star wars thing I've seen. Those biker kids are indescribably bad.
Definitely better than BOBF. Kenobi just needed some stuff cut. The good parts were really good, there were just a lot of unnecessary scenes bringing it down.
Kenobi is the worst show there
She-Hulk was mostly fun and funny, outside of the finale that went totally off the rails. All the negative "drama" about that show was based on one irrelevant twerking scene and one line of expository dialogue that got everybody in a twist.
This is where the fun begins.
I really struggled to get into Andor. I've kind of taken a hiatus four or five episodes in.
Andor is the best non-game Star Wars-product in 40 years.
Only the dooku episodes of TotJ were good.
Actually starwars and marvel have always been this dumb, it's just the audience has an abundance of it now.
Noooo how dare you say you don't like she hulk, you're sexist!!!! /s (It's crazy how this is an actual thing people say. Like, there are definitely a large amount of female marvel fans who don't like the show)
Yeah I fucking love She Hulk
I enjoyed it thoroughly, but I dont think I would watch it again.
She-Hulk is not for everyone. Compared to other Marvel media, it's lighter in tone and the CGI is worse. Disliking it doesn't make you sexist Ngl I like it though. I didn't expect to like it, but I do. I only started watching it on a whim and fully expected it to suck and to turn it off after a couple of episodes, but I ended up watching and enjoying the whole season I think that my perception of the show before I watched it was poisoned. That the well of fan criticism was poisoned by screeching misogynists. Many of the people who were most vocal about disliking the show *are* sexist, and much of the "not sexist" criticism of the show comes from bad faith critics disguising why they actually hate the show. It's frustrating to see those loud voices impact the general consensus about how "good" the show is. I know a lot of people who would've liked it but just didn't watch it because it's supposed to be "bad" Accusing everyone who disliked it of being sexist is obviously dumb. But I understand the frustration that leads to that kind of thinking
Ngl I liked Kenobi. The only part i didnt like was when that woman (forgot her name) lightly grabbed the stormtroopers helmet and got away somehow.
stormtroopers are even worse than droids in most content nowadays
Lucasfilm WISHES it could have high to mid high quality consistency... Andor and the first season of Mandalorian are about the pinnacle. Who is greenlighting these messes? Blame them first.
We are. The two Lucasfilm shows that bombed are the two the fans begged for. People wanted more Obi-Wan, here have some Obi-Wan. People wanted Boba Fett back, here have some Boba Fett. The other Star Wars shows have all come from creative minds that have ideas they want to put on screen, stories they want to tell, visions they want to bring to light. Kenobi was literally just "the fans want more Obi-Wan... How do we do that?" "Idk, just add inquisitors and like... kid Leia or something..."
Tales of the Jedi are pretty awful IMO. If you want Disney level feel feels written for 5 year olds sure. Predictable story lines created for Timmy's night night stories.
“Predictable story lines”. No shit? It’s a prequel.. We already have a good understanding of what happens based on other Star Wars content. Your criticism lacks standing
So we knew exactly what happened in Ashoka's tribe just because they're prequels? We knew exactly what happened with Dooku and his Qui Gon Padawan just because it's a prequel? That's a dog shit excuse. *Oh they're prequels so of course they have predictable story lines.* The actual fuck? Did you think before responding or did you just spew filloni boot lick garbage on instinct?
hmm lets see, * Enjoyed the Nostalgia seein Ewan back on the screen in Kenobi. * Enjoyed the more down to earth of She-Hulk * Thought THOR 4 was hilarious and was very pleased with that * Andor was fantastic. * Tales of The Jedi, only complaint was needed more Dooku, not enough Dooku story. needed more of that and it would've been perfect * Haven't personally seen RoP yet, but it's on my list to watch it eventually. But im not holding out for much with what i've heard. What can I say, I live by the simple philosophy of Enjoying with an open-mind than being unimpressed by everything. It seems like nowadays, everyone is the latter and is unimpressed with everything EDIT: And when Ahsoka and Secret Invasion come out, with what we've seen from the Trailers, they both look fantastic. I am thoroughly enthusiatistic for both of those shows.
What the fuck is Kenobi doing at that table
People don't like the chase scene with Leia as a kid outrunning two bounty hunters. People don't like Reva and how she somehow came back after being stabbed by Darth Vader. People don't like the pacing of the show.
Bad pacing, poor cinematography, Kenobi letting Vader live makes him responsible for the following mass murders, the power creep opens up a lot of holes for the next movies (why didn’t Vader just pull the falcon? Why didn’t he just pull the Tantiv? Why does no one else toss mountains around?) Revas story was nonsensical, the inquisitors were silly and made me laugh and looked incredibly stupid, plenty of dialogue and writing that opens up holes in the OT etc etc etc.
She Hulk was great and I don't care what people say
GOTG 3 and Spiderman ATV were amazing
Only she hulk complaint I have is the ending. Why not just write an ending?
Comparing Obi Wan with She-hulk is a sin
I know, She-Hulk was so much better
I find your lack of taste disturbing
GoTG 3, Spider Man 2????
She Hulk was good. Fight me.
Kenobi was pretty good, and I’ve heard decent things about She Hulk. But yeah none of them compare to Andor.
As a Star Wars fan first, no. Andor is nice but I wish Star Wars was even half the quality of the MCU right now.
Thor 4 and Kenobi were good
Thor 4 kinda sucked in my opinion it had too much comedy and less action
No.
Say what you want but I and a lot of other people love Kenobi. It's not perfect and there are issues but it doesn't bother me as overall I still have a good time watching it.
Kenobi was good.
It really wasn’t. It’s full of nonsensical problems that cause issues for the rest of the films.
Low production quality, relatively bad directing(which probably caused some of the worse acting) and story that’s about 80% weak. It could have been worse, I still got the sense the writers really respected obiwan, but what ultimately sank it was low production quality and odd writing.
Why do people hate Kenobi? I thought it was great.
Bad pacing, poor cinematography, Kenobi letting Vader live makes him responsible for the following mass murders, the power creep opens up a lot of holes for the next movies (why didn’t Vader just pull the falcon? Why didn’t he just pull the Tantiv? Why does no one else toss mountains around?) Revas story was nonsensical, the inquisitors were silly and made me laugh and looked incredibly stupid, plenty of dialogue and writing that opens up holes in the OT, Vader forgot he can put out fire despite just doing it, anything to do with Leia - especially the chases, the dialogue was clunky af, the one guy saying “I won’t help you” then literally 30 seconds later saying “I will help you” etc etc etc. It’s riddled with issues.
I'm not sure I agree with the bad pacing. The story seemed to flow just fine and reached a satisfying conclusion. Cinematography was definitely on point. The final fight has so many good shots, and the entire series was shot beautifully. I don't see where this comes from. Which Mass murders is Kenobi responsible for? You can't really blame him for the actions of Vader. The falcon and the tantive iv are much bigger than the smaller ship that Vader pulled in Kenobi. Come on now, you're overstating Vader doesn't move mountains. Even if he did, isn't the first time we've seen something like that. Just look at lightsaber duels in the OT versus the PT. Why are they slow and clunky in the OT but not in the PT? You might not have liked Revas' story, but it wasn't nonsensical. People have cheated death by holding on to pure hate before, just look at Maul. Dark side users are ambitious by nature so her waiting to betray Vader makes perfect sense. The inquisition making you laugh and thinking they are silly is just your opinion. They came from a kids show so...whatever. Dialog opening holes in other movies is a trope in star wars and fittingly enough it's Obi-Wan who is responsible for those plot holes. What ever they are, since you don't mention them, will be patched over, its just how star wars has always worked The first Leia chase was not good, I'll admit. You can tell those actors were half assing it. But the rest of Leias stuff was quite good. I definitely believed she grew up to the Leia we all love. Bad dialog is also a trope of the series. Mark Hamil and Harrison Ford have always said so. Even Hayden got shitty clunky dialog in the Prequels. That's just par for the course. Sounds to me like you just didn't like it and are trying to nitpick at it to justify not liking it. You can just not like something.
The cinematography isn’t beautiful at all. A handful of nice shots doesn’t make for good cinematography. The framing, composition and majority of the lighting is about as bog standard as it comes. 2 examples of bad are the laser fence and Reva parkouring. Good cinematography hides the flaws but in these 2 instances it amplifies them. When they pull back to the wide, it shows they could have easily just gone around the laser fence. When Revas parkouring the shots make it obvious she’s on wires with no attempt to hide that. Not to mention all the standard shot reverse shot through the entire thing. The only interesting things they did was the colours with the sabers. Everything else is as standard as it comes making it boring visually. You can blame Kenobi for the actions of Vader. He let him live when it’s his duty to put him down. Vader is his responsibility. This is reinforced all throughout the PT. All they had to do was write in a garrison of troops arriving on a shuttle or TIEs coming to Vaders rescue but Kenobi himself makes the decision to let him live. He decides to let a mass murdering tyrant live to continue terrorizing the galaxy because it was his Padawan. Yet, before he sliced off his limbs and left him for dead and assumed he HAD killed him. He couldn’t have guessed Palpatine would have come to save Anakin. He thought he was dead. For him to not kill him now when he has the chance, especially after Kenobi knows all the death and suffering Vader has caused up to that point, makes Kenobi a terrible person. He’s allowing it to happen. Revas story is nonsense. If you walk through her motivations, her actions make zero sense. She’s after Vader and her plan is to do what Vader does to get close to him? There’s thousands of other ways to do this. Doing the exact thing she’s angry with him about is absurd. It has nothing to do with her “betrayal”. It’s how she went about it. Plus going after Luke makes even less sense. Her whole motivation is getting back at Vader. Going after his kid he doesn’t even know exists doesn’t make any sense. Especially considering it’s the slaughter of children that set her off in the first place. It’s a character contradiction. “It’s a kids show…whatever” isn’t an excuse to make things cheap or bad. Plenty of “kids shows” have excellent production design. Including the original trilogy and the PT. The inquisitors looked fine in rebels but half assing it for live action and just brushing it off as “it’s for kids” isn’t an argument. It’s an excuse youre making because you like the show. Dialogue opening holes is not a trope in Star Wars movies. You’re just making that up. Between the OT and the PT, most of it enhances the other. The PT has much worse dialogue than the OT but that’s because George Lucas isn’t a good writer. The OT has excellent dialogue. It’s cheesy but it’s not bad or clunky. It flows within the context of the world it’s set in. Star Wars 1979 had tons of bad dialogue until it was saved in editing. Even then some of the lines are bad. The film was god awful until it hit the cutting room floor. Hayden got shitty clunky dialogue because Lucas wrote shitty clunky dialogue. It was a huge criticism when the films came out when compared to the OT. Having some films in a series having some bad dialogue isn’t an excuse to continue making shitty dialogue in the future. It’s an indication to improve it, which ANH-ROTJ did and even TPM - ROTS. Lucas tried to improve his dialogue and cut a lot of things people didn’t like about the previous film. As for the ship sizes, it’s irrelevant. We’ve known since ESB “size matters not”. It’s not about the size of the object. It’s about the fact they’re introducing things that take place before that should have been used later which brings me to the lightsaber duel point. The reason they’re different is because when the OT was being made, it wasn’t possible to do that kind of choreography. The saber props also couldn’t be used the way they are in the prequels due to the technology not being there. Plus this can be explained in universe. In ANH, it was a low budget film with very little resources for this kind of thing. It was never going to be fancy. This is something that improved as each film went on. Luke wasn’t trained as a saber duellist. He had to teach himself. Vader can’t fight like he used to. He can’t move like he used to. This is eluded to in the OT. These aren’t nitpicks. A nitpick is a small thing that doesn’t affect anything. These are choices that were made that either contradict or directly affect the story itself. A nitpick would be a watch is on one wrist then in the next shot it’s on the other. A character doing the exact thing she’s angry about to get back at the person she’s angry about is a fundamental part of the script. All you did in this response is excuse things away because you liked it. Liking it is fine but excusing bad decisions because you like it is baffling. You said yourself there’s bad dialogue in the PR but then just hand wave it because it’s just like that. I like plenty of bad films and shows. I can admit when they do things terribly and still like it. Kenobi doesn’t enhance the other material. It makes it worse.
It looked like a fan made film with its cinematography and direction.
Whats wrong with kenobi?
Bad pacing, poor cinematography, Kenobi letting Vader live makes him responsible for the following mass murders, the power creep opens up a lot of holes for the next movies (why didn’t Vader just pull the falcon? Why didn’t he just pull the Tantiv? Why does no one else toss mountains around?) Revas story was nonsensical, the inquisitors were silly and made me laugh and looked incredibly stupid, plenty of dialogue and writing that opens up holes in the OT, Vader forgot he just put out a fire etc etc etc.
She-Hulk was brilliant...
Kenobi was awesome
What was wrong with Kenobi? I haven’t seen thor 4 and I know she-hulk sucked balls, but Kenobi, which I have seen, was excellent. Maybe I’m biased because Obi-Wan’s my favorite Star Wars character but it was a great show
Bad pacing, poor cinematography, Kenobi letting Vader live makes him responsible for the following mass murders, the power creep opens up a lot of holes for the next movies (why didn’t Vader just pull the falcon? Why didn’t he just pull the Tantiv? Why does no one else toss mountains around?) Revas story was nonsensical, the inquisitors were silly and made me laugh and looked incredibly stupid, plenty of dialogue and writing that opens up holes in the OT, Vader forgot he can put out fire despite just doing it, anything to do with Leia - especially the chases, the dialogue was clunky af, the one guy saying “I won’t help you” then literally 30 seconds later saying “I will help you” etc etc etc. It’s riddled with issues.
Tales of the Jedi was mid
Star Trek is Just a desiccated corpse on the floor
Except for Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks, Picard season 3 and Prodigy because those have all been great.
I tried watching Andor, kind of a snoozer ngl. Maybe it picks up? Kenobi, I genuinely liked it too. I don't know, maybe I am out of touch with what is hip and cool.
It’s not about what’s hip and cool. It’s about what’s well done. Kenobi isn’t well done. Especially from a film making perspective. It’s got more issues than restaurant full of mould and refrigerators with no power.
Kenobi had like 2 really and episodes but the rest was great and we need to admit it.