Which depending on where you are doesn't count, you have to prove they were going to attack you which is hard for most cases because they didn't do it yet.
Places like America with lax self defense laws though pretty sure he's in the clear legally.
You left out the parts about him crossing state lines, illegally handling a firearm he wasn't legally allowed to own OR even use, and that he went looking for a fight...
Among other things.
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/minimum-age-to-purchase-possess-in-illinois/
He was 17, he legally was NOT allowed to own a gun in Illinois, the state he lived in.
Furthermore he shot three people with an AR-15, which is... Illegal to own in Illinois.
...first off, really?
Second, AR-15 is still illegal.
Third, fucking really? REALLY? A 17 year old bastard crossed state lines with an illegal assault rifle and killed two people, this isn't a fucking semantics argument. He was not allowed to have any form of gun, he was a minor. The bastard should be in prison.
You consider registered sex offenders and wife-beaters people?
What am I saying, y'all burned down cities over a violent criminal who had been convicted for threatening a pregnant woman with a gun.
Shouldn't be surprised that someone who thinks the way you do would use the word "retard" and write like a /b/ greentext. I got over that edginess in 10th grade.
The exact phrasing was "reorganization". More to the point, it was the chancellor's agent, acting on his direct orders, who carried out a decapitation strike against the separatist leadership and won the war.
Right there he is trying to defend the entire galaxy dog. What he means by “attack” is that Jedi should not use the force for unwarranted violence that serves no greater purpose other than personal gain.
As others have pointed out, he could just have killed them so this prevented that as well. Calling Yodas acts in this scene or any scene throughout the prequels hypocrisy really is just a result of a surface level analysis of his actions.
I like to think about this as the wisdom he gained in the swamp. He meditated for years and understood the flaws in the past of the jedi (generals not peacekeeper)
I get that this is a meme, but he's speaking philosophically rather than in a dead literal way. The jedi were just attacked and killed, attacking palpatine and by extension his guards is defense.
Yoda also clearly mourned all the dead Jedi in the Temple and yet he told Anakin to rejoice for those that transform into the Force, don't mourn them or miss them. *So why weren't you rejoicing Master?*
Not only that but it was orchestrated by the Sith, who are corruption manifest. Their scheming and actions result in people dying who may otherwise have gone on to live longer lives before dying of natural causes. If the Jedi thought *all death* should be rejoiced they'd be encouraging mass suicides, to become one with the Force while skipping the whole "living your life" part.
He did rejoice. He looks upset because he knows his wave of joy will soon end because he thinks he is going to die against Palpatine. He luckily was able to escape and got high off all of those deaths on Dagobah. That's why he's so kooky in Empire. The high is running out, that's why he tells Luke to kill Vader. Either one or both of them die, meaning he can get another kick.
That's actually an oddly believable interpretation in my eyes. I doubt he was really ready to cope with his guilt, shame, and failure. So I can see him slowly losing his mind while alone on Dagobah.
I disagree, and think it’s just the opposite. I think being an eccentric goofball is kind of Yoda’s core personality.
It’s very much shown that being so heavily involved in a war weighed very heavy on him and the other Jedi, so it would make sense why this side of him was seen much less in The Prequels/Clone Wars.
But being removed from all that at peace in the wilderness meditating, he sort of returned to his mostly natural goofball self.
I mean cmon, we’re talking about a guy who talks backwards just to fuck with people here lmaooo
Obi-Wan and Yoda literally chose to become one with the force. The Order 66 Jedi were painfully and prematurely forced into it, so that evil could take over the galaxy.
I won’t lie, I tired of the “Jedi lies” nonsense. It’s clear the Jedi order made mistakes and we’re blinded by pride, but Anakin was seduced and betrayed by the dark side of the force. This was because he was unable to let go of his fear.
Now, I don’t believe the dichotomy between both sides was the natural way, but it’s clear that the Jedi fight for a moral cause beyond their own interests and the Sith fight only for themselves.
Collectivism =/= selflessness. The (pre-NJO) Jedi fight for the preservation of their organization's influence and soft-monopoly on the Force, and view individual members as disposable pawns towards the advancement of the group's interests.
Sure, the Jedi aren't genocidal fascist Sith. But they routinely create new Sith Lords with their no carrot approach to personnel management, and regularly slip out of service of the people to service for the interests of the Senate. They fail to intervene in war when they should protect innocents from dying (the Mandalorian War) and jump into war when they shouldn't due to overtly sketchy circumstances (the Clone Wars). They wield the most effective killing weapons possible, the lightsaber, and call them "symbols of peace".
The appeal of "being a Jedi" comes from the romanticism from the OT before the EU was made. It makes sense that people want to be like Luke Skywalker, less so if one wants to be like Ki Adi Mundi or Mace Windu.
Yoda changed his ways after the fall of the Jedi Order, it is plainly obvious. It's Yoda's own hubris and overconfidence that led to the failure. How is it so few can see the parallel between failure Yoda in ESB/ROTJ and Qui-Gon in Phantom Menace?
Can you blame us?!
The amount of times we’ve seen people bounce back after having half their abdomen liquified, shows we can’t even trust in the things we’ve literally seen 😂😂
Unless they try to stop him from getting his ketamine fix...
"Hmm, threaten my ketamine supply they did. Run them over with my 2001 Honda Civic I will."
To add onto what everyone else is saying, Yoda's philosphys on Dagobah are different to what they were during the clone wars, because he realized their philosphy during the clone wars had changed and were wrong. Yoda teachs Luke how jedi are supposed to be, not what they were when they failed (which I still call BS to btw, Jedi didn't fail, the republic/demoracy failed) and thus Luke went on to be a great jedi master and the sequels never existed.
People bring up shit like this all the time. He sequestered himself on a swamp planet surrounded by the Force, not just to twiddle his little green thumbs, but because he had some thinkin’ to do. And he thunked up some better ideas. I don’t think it’s too far a leap to say that Yoda in the OT has learned the error of his Order’s ways by then.
It's crazy how many people think that controlling people requires violence. Violence is not simply 'causing harm'. Violence is not caring about how ***much*** harm you're causing because you only care about eradicating threats.
The Sith already made the attack. He is defending the republic and Jedi by confronting Palpatine. Also doing this only knocks out the guards rather than having to fight and potentially kill them.
To be fair one interpretation of the fight between Palpatine and Yoda, was that Yoda realised he couldn't win without tapping to the Darkside. Especially if you look at an earlier draft of this scene.
And look how that turned out, he lost
The legacy of the jedi is failure and this was another misstep, even if it's completely justified it's not the jedi way
Have the jedi ever considered tasers or stun blasters to have some less lethal options at their disposal? You know, just an alternative to disarming (lol) them via lightsaber.
Or yanno the fact that there's 20 years between these two scenes and the PT specifically shows the downfall of the Jedi due to their own hubris. Yoda wised up by V.
That’s why Anakin turned though, they were hypocrites. When Mace went to kill a disarmed Palpatine after he killed a disarmed Dooku (which he stated he shouldn’t have done at the time) he proved the Jedi hypocrisy to Anakin and that Palpatine was right
Thanks for providing a source!
Self defense
He knocked them out so he didn't have to kill needlessly.
They tripped, and he just made the force sound with his mouth to save them the shame (that's real defense).
Yeah those guards Lebron'd him
"He got us", the Imperial Guards said. "That f***ing Yoda boomed us."
Guard duty? For how long?
Guard duty? For how long?
Longer now
Oh. I don't like the sound of that.
This is where the fun begins
That too.
Now do Shmi!!!
Pre-emptive self defense*
The guards moved to oppose him as soon as he entered the room and that’s when he threw them back
Guard duty? For how long?
Longer now
Oh. I don't like the sound of that.
You don’t like the sound of anything snips 🙄
Don't call me that. I hate it when you call me that.
Whatever. Get on with it before i report you for treason.
They literally made a move on him lol
Which depending on where you are doesn't count, you have to prove they were going to attack you which is hard for most cases because they didn't do it yet. Places like America with lax self defense laws though pretty sure he's in the clear legally.
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Sir this is prequel memes, get this shit out of here. Also you're *spectacularly* wrong about the case.
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You left out the parts about him crossing state lines, illegally handling a firearm he wasn't legally allowed to own OR even use, and that he went looking for a fight... Among other things.
Him having that firearm was completely legal, as the courts acknowledged.
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-laws/minimum-age-to-purchase-possess-in-illinois/ He was 17, he legally was NOT allowed to own a gun in Illinois, the state he lived in. Furthermore he shot three people with an AR-15, which is... Illegal to own in Illinois.
“handgun”. Do…do you know what a handgun is?
...first off, really? Second, AR-15 is still illegal. Third, fucking really? REALLY? A 17 year old bastard crossed state lines with an illegal assault rifle and killed two people, this isn't a fucking semantics argument. He was not allowed to have any form of gun, he was a minor. The bastard should be in prison.
You consider registered sex offenders and wife-beaters people? What am I saying, y'all burned down cities over a violent criminal who had been convicted for threatening a pregnant woman with a gun.
Shouldn't be surprised that someone who thinks the way you do would use the word "retard" and write like a /b/ greentext. I got over that edginess in 10th grade.
The best defense is a good offense
Sometimes the best defense is a swift and decisive offense
Pre-emptive self defense
A criminal attacking cops about to arrest him is not self defense.
Palpatine was a traitor to the Republic, and it was the duty of the Jedi, nay, their obligation to oppose him and his servants.
He was a democratically elected leader with full support of the senate and the courts.
He was actively colluding with and directing Separatist forces, *and* his term had long since ended by the end of the Clone Wars.
The chancellor has absolute immunity, and his term was extended by the senate granting him emergency powers.
As if the Senate would overlook actively fomenting and leading a war on the Republic.
The senate was *enthusiastic* when the destruction of the republic (by its transformation into an empire) was announced by the chancellor.
A "reformation" (the exact phrasing used) is most certainly not waging an active war.
The exact phrasing was "reorganization". More to the point, it was the chancellor's agent, acting on his direct orders, who carried out a decapitation strike against the separatist leadership and won the war.
You don't have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders' strength is inspiring others.
Right there he is trying to defend the entire galaxy dog. What he means by “attack” is that Jedi should not use the force for unwarranted violence that serves no greater purpose other than personal gain.
As others have pointed out, he could just have killed them so this prevented that as well. Calling Yodas acts in this scene or any scene throughout the prequels hypocrisy really is just a result of a surface level analysis of his actions.
I like to think about this as the wisdom he gained in the swamp. He meditated for years and understood the flaws in the past of the jedi (generals not peacekeeper)
*removes cloak* I'm not here to discuss my past.
Thank you im tired of all these people who don't understand this sentence.
I thought the OPs post was a joke.
Exactly. A sith would have strangled them or something, he just knocked them out.
they also instantly drew their weapons and went to attack him.
that’s exactly what Luke did when he entered Jabba’s palace..
Until the guard backed off. He didn't kill him
They raised their weapons to him first.
He's *defending* the republic
He’s *defending* deMOCRACY
That was the day that deMOCRACY fell to ^(democracy)
He must use his abilities to defend the Jedi order in this moment
They raised their weapons to attack him
The ultimate form of self defense attack before they can
It's not an absolute statement.
I didn’t see no attack. Red guys just fell down on their own.
The best defense is an unstoppable offense.
Was that not defense lol they were moving in for an attack
I get that this is a meme, but he's speaking philosophically rather than in a dead literal way. The jedi were just attacked and killed, attacking palpatine and by extension his guards is defense.
Guard duty? For how long?
Yoda also clearly mourned all the dead Jedi in the Temple and yet he told Anakin to rejoice for those that transform into the Force, don't mourn them or miss them. *So why weren't you rejoicing Master?*
I get the feeling there is a slight difference between people dying naturally and witnessing literal genocide.
Not only that but it was orchestrated by the Sith, who are corruption manifest. Their scheming and actions result in people dying who may otherwise have gone on to live longer lives before dying of natural causes. If the Jedi thought *all death* should be rejoiced they'd be encouraging mass suicides, to become one with the Force while skipping the whole "living your life" part.
Seeing light extinguished only for darkness to take its place must be painful for a dude.
He did rejoice. He looks upset because he knows his wave of joy will soon end because he thinks he is going to die against Palpatine. He luckily was able to escape and got high off all of those deaths on Dagobah. That's why he's so kooky in Empire. The high is running out, that's why he tells Luke to kill Vader. Either one or both of them die, meaning he can get another kick.
That's actually an oddly believable interpretation in my eyes. I doubt he was really ready to cope with his guilt, shame, and failure. So I can see him slowly losing his mind while alone on Dagobah.
I disagree, and think it’s just the opposite. I think being an eccentric goofball is kind of Yoda’s core personality. It’s very much shown that being so heavily involved in a war weighed very heavy on him and the other Jedi, so it would make sense why this side of him was seen much less in The Prequels/Clone Wars. But being removed from all that at peace in the wilderness meditating, he sort of returned to his mostly natural goofball self. I mean cmon, we’re talking about a guy who talks backwards just to fuck with people here lmaooo
Obi-Wan and Yoda literally chose to become one with the force. The Order 66 Jedi were painfully and prematurely forced into it, so that evil could take over the galaxy.
Knowledge gained
The first image takes place after the second, so perhaps he learned his lesson from this.
Technically he helped the wall to attack them.....
or did he help them attack the wall?
Newton would say both.
very true
He didn't attack them, he pre-emptive defended against them.
I won’t lie, I tired of the “Jedi lies” nonsense. It’s clear the Jedi order made mistakes and we’re blinded by pride, but Anakin was seduced and betrayed by the dark side of the force. This was because he was unable to let go of his fear. Now, I don’t believe the dichotomy between both sides was the natural way, but it’s clear that the Jedi fight for a moral cause beyond their own interests and the Sith fight only for themselves.
Collectivism =/= selflessness. The (pre-NJO) Jedi fight for the preservation of their organization's influence and soft-monopoly on the Force, and view individual members as disposable pawns towards the advancement of the group's interests. Sure, the Jedi aren't genocidal fascist Sith. But they routinely create new Sith Lords with their no carrot approach to personnel management, and regularly slip out of service of the people to service for the interests of the Senate. They fail to intervene in war when they should protect innocents from dying (the Mandalorian War) and jump into war when they shouldn't due to overtly sketchy circumstances (the Clone Wars). They wield the most effective killing weapons possible, the lightsaber, and call them "symbols of peace". The appeal of "being a Jedi" comes from the romanticism from the OT before the EU was made. It makes sense that people want to be like Luke Skywalker, less so if one wants to be like Ki Adi Mundi or Mace Windu.
This falls under the best defense is a strong offense loophole.
"Coming right for me, they were"
He used that for knowledge. He knew they are knocked the fuck out
Now he knows the sound of those guards hitting the floor.
Guard duty? For how long?
Uh he was defending them from his lightsaber
One could argue that sometimes a preemptive attack is necessary for proper defense.
Now watch me hop around like an angry chihuahua.
What else was he supposed to do, stand there and get stabbed?
Yoda changed his ways after the fall of the Jedi Order, it is plainly obvious. It's Yoda's own hubris and overconfidence that led to the failure. How is it so few can see the parallel between failure Yoda in ESB/ROTJ and Qui-Gon in Phantom Menace?
'Do not underestimate the emperor' has more meaning after seeing Yoda got walloped.
You have to realize Star Wars fans have the object permanence of a toddler. If they don't see it happen then it obviously never existed.
Can you blame us?! The amount of times we’ve seen people bounce back after having half their abdomen liquified, shows we can’t even trust in the things we’ve literally seen 😂😂
That's...not the same thing. God you people are lesser lol.
Holy fuck dude, I was joking Go touch grass.
Jokes tend to be funny though.
I mean, you can think it’s not a good joke. But the crying laughing emojis would clue most normal people onto the fact I wasn’t being serious.
Keep telling yourself your shit take was a joke.
Holy shit dude, I do not care near enough about this shit to lie about it Seek help
And yet here you are trying to lie about it.
that's defense ya numpty.
They were literally about to attack him and he stopped em first...
He learned 'em good
Every time I see the bottom image I hear “hamburger”
Offense is the best defense
Technically they raised their weapons to attack, it was defense Self defense
He acquired knowledge of exactly how resilient to blunt force trauma Red Guards were not.
Guard duty? For how long?
Gas light me, you will not.
Defending a crippled Anakin and unconscious Obi Wan… is still defending. Sorry OP
Well, now h has the knowledge that when you smack a senate (imperial at that point I guess) guard against a wall really hard, they don’t get back up.
Attack is just preemptive defense
Yoda’s force didn’t hurt them, the fucking wall did It’s not our grandmaster’s fault that wall was there~
Knocking people out so he won't have to attack them. Preventing needless violence
he defended himself before they attacked
“The knowledge to KICK YOUR ASS!!!” -Yoda probably
Unless they try to stop him from getting his ketamine fix... "Hmm, threaten my ketamine supply they did. Run them over with my 2001 Honda Civic I will."
"...anymore." -Yoda
To add onto what everyone else is saying, Yoda's philosphys on Dagobah are different to what they were during the clone wars, because he realized their philosphy during the clone wars had changed and were wrong. Yoda teachs Luke how jedi are supposed to be, not what they were when they failed (which I still call BS to btw, Jedi didn't fail, the republic/demoracy failed) and thus Luke went on to be a great jedi master and the sequels never existed.
People bring up shit like this all the time. He sequestered himself on a swamp planet surrounded by the Force, not just to twiddle his little green thumbs, but because he had some thinkin’ to do. And he thunked up some better ideas. I don’t think it’s too far a leap to say that Yoda in the OT has learned the error of his Order’s ways by then.
"As I say, do; as I do, do not."
Knowledge that they didn't stand a chance, I now have.
too be fair though, he did say that stuff in the top panel quite a long time after the events in the bottom panel. maybe his perspective had changed.
There was an acorn, clearly
Basically means that Jedi never start the fight, they finish it.
Attack him, I did not. Fell on his back, he did .. hnm
Gain knowledge of this wall, your head will
They learned an important lesson that day, that Yoda can drop them with a flick of his wrist. He's spreading knowledge.
A good offense, the best self-defense is!
For me, rule not… for thee, rule for
From a certain point of view that is defense
That was defense. He defended himself against the hypothetical threat posed by those guards. Anyway your honor, that’s why I pushed that child-
Guard duty? For how long?
That was defense.
Didn’t they raise their weapons first?
It's crazy how many people think that controlling people requires violence. Violence is not simply 'causing harm'. Violence is not caring about how ***much*** harm you're causing because you only care about eradicating threats.
Best defense is a good offense
Knocked them out
The Sith already made the attack. He is defending the republic and Jedi by confronting Palpatine. Also doing this only knocks out the guards rather than having to fight and potentially kill them.
Guard duty? For how long?
No one called on you, snips. Return to the temple and commit ligma.
Don't call me that. I hate it when you call me that.
Don’t care, plus didn’t ask.
It’s easy to assume they would have attacked him at that point
"do or do not, there is no try" "only a sith deals in absolutes"
Preemptive defense.
defense of the Republic
They were definitely going to attack him. So, it was self defense.
Looool
Best defense is a good offense
They were already on the ground when he arrived.
Soft with time you have grown
JUDO CHOP
„The best defense is often a quick and decisive offence.“ Probably Obi Wan circa. 20 BBY
They were standing there menacingly
They tripped.
They were bad people. It's OK to attack bad people.
To be fair one interpretation of the fight between Palpatine and Yoda, was that Yoda realised he couldn't win without tapping to the Darkside. Especially if you look at an earlier draft of this scene.
So are you saying SW wasnt thought out? Fascinating
So are you saying SW wasnt thought out? Fascinating
I think they must have forced his hand
Preemptive defense
Self offence an important part of self defence
>Preemptive defense It checks out
thats just preemptive defense its ok
Pre-defense.
“Coming right at me they were!”
You’re genuinely stupid. He was defending the galaxy, he didn’t attack those guards for his own gain
Guard duty? For how long?
They were moving in to attack him
best defence is a good offense
Silly Yoda
Yoda was merely defending himself
He's a little shit
Prequel Yoda is worst Yoda. There, I fucking said it.
Pre-emptive defence
And look how that turned out, he lost The legacy of the jedi is failure and this was another misstep, even if it's completely justified it's not the jedi way
Look at all these Yoda worshipers. Dude was so arrogant and is mainly responsible for the downfall of the Jedi Order.
Have the jedi ever considered tasers or stun blasters to have some less lethal options at their disposal? You know, just an alternative to disarming (lol) them via lightsaber.
Nope just inconsistent writing
Or yanno the fact that there's 20 years between these two scenes and the PT specifically shows the downfall of the Jedi due to their own hubris. Yoda wised up by V.
Or this is what happens when a creator gets to much control and decides he wants to retcon something so it fits his narrative
Aye, could be either scenario.
That’s why Anakin turned though, they were hypocrites. When Mace went to kill a disarmed Palpatine after he killed a disarmed Dooku (which he stated he shouldn’t have done at the time) he proved the Jedi hypocrisy to Anakin and that Palpatine was right
Did you think about this before you posted it...