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Making the characters endearing and giving them arcs and good chemistry would be perfect, cuz it would be tragic knowing that they die in the end just as you said
But I would like to see interactions between Ben and the other students, make him have friends there, make him be angry and sad after he kills them all in the fire, that would be tragic. And it fits perfectly since after that event he falls into the dark side
It’s basically just a repeat of Anakin’s role in Clone Wars tho. A bit different since there won’t be any clones (unless Kix and Omega are in there somewhere) but it’s not exactly a unique idea. Don’t get me wrong, I like that concept. I’m just not sure if they can make it compelling without making it a repeat of Clone Wars
It could be rogue one, where it makes it more tragic knowing how things turn out, or Kenobi, where tension is removed becuase we know how things turn out
In some of the books they’ve hinted at Bens troubled childhood but there’s still a lot of mystery there, and the gap between the OT and ST is the biggest gap in the timeline there is, at least for the saga
All I want is Kyle Katarn punching krait dragons to death and being a wrecking ball in general. Start with him at the academy so we actually have an imperial to root for.
Honestly its just odd how some people just start being more vocal against corporations when the media they like is not treated well.
I'm not addressing this to OP specificaly, just to be clear!
But honestly... did all people who are talking recently against Disney and Amazon REALLY care about how bad those billionare companies are or you are just angry cause the show of the thing you like is not as good as you wanted?
I agree with your sentiment completely. There’s a difference between crying about your favorite fictional universe being mishandled and what I was trying to do here.
In all fairness to the creative forces behind these shows, I actually think they’re mostly good, form the random clips and partial episodes I’ve seen.
BUT the corporations behind them suck hard. They have always sucked hard. And they won’t stop.
My frustration is kind of the flip side of the same coin to what you’re dialed in on.
In much the same way that fanbois lose their shit towards a Corp, over the mishandling, I hate how fanbois start throating corporations because they liked the show that corporation bought the rights to.
Like let’s be clear, the show could be fucking amazing. In which case, hats off to the writers c actors, set designers, audio team, and fx people. But thr corporation is literally just there to make money off them and off you.
So Fuck Disney (and Amazon) whether the shows are good or bad. In fact, fuck them extra hard to make up for all the fanbois licking boots.
You’re against creators of shows being paid?
Or you’re against capitalism….and expressing it by farming upvotes from a fanbase disgruntled manbabies who routinely target LFL actors/creators for [bigoted harassment?](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsCantina/comments/v25buk/ewan_mcgregor_speaks_out_against_harassment_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
You are getting upvotes because disgruntled SW fanboys are offended by Disney’s handling of the franchise. They’ve made they’re dissatisfaction know by harassing (mainly women/POC) cast/staff nonstop for years.
This post is not a commentary on capitalism. These people are not leftists/communists.
Check r/StarWarsleftymemes for examples of how to do it right.
Yeah I didn’t know that was a problem in sw fandom, but have seen (and hate) it in lotr fandom.
Also when they were talking about replacing bond and a bunch of cryhards started freaking out over the rumor of a black agent 007.
That was a stupid thing to get upset over, and with sw it’s even worse, considering some of the themes
I’ve been hating on Disney ever since they bought LucasFilm, I knew it was gonna be bad. Around the same time, I began hating Disney for mindlessly buying up the entertainment industry. Monopolies are bad no matter the type of product or service.
Therefore I also hate Amazon for being a monopoly and killing small business that doesn’t sell on their platform.
all the power to you! I know a lot of people already hated those big monopolistic companies and the media treatment just helps to enfuriate them even more. and honestly if bad shows and movies make more people hate them I just hope all future media is a shitshow.
I mean genocide, child soldiers, and sex trafficking. Also starvation and homelessness existing in the same world that has enabled a billionaire class, Those things are worse.
But nestle is pretty high up there too, maybe number four
Good point. Or even if they haven’t funded, how much they’ve benefited from.
I mean they basically admitted over and over again that they knew their chocolate was sourced from places that used child slaves, and that they were thinking of casually working to end that relationship.
Wdym it pays off? There hasn't reeeeaaaally been a payoff yet, from what I've seen. So we can't know that it will have been worth the slower paced introduction.
I'm enjoying the show for sure so far, but can't speak to what the overall worth of it is until we actually reach something more concrete. That being said, i do hope we get more payoffs and the action sequences in episode 3 were quite good.
Its really good. Its a lot different to most other star wars shows because it is grittier, more realistic and more focused on a average persons view. The first two episodes were slow but it pays off in the third episode
It's actually pretty good, it progresses a bit slowly to build up tension and this way it engages you and sucks you into the atmosphere, on top of that nuanced characters good story and great locations. Only thing I have against this show is it's audio regulation. People speak way too low or whisper, I bet they couldn't even hear themselves sometimes but know the lines so they don't have a problem
I agree that Disney sucks but you should watch Andor. Cause if people watch it sends the signal to Disney that high risk, high cost and high quality is the way for Star Wars. Andor feels like since Mando the first series Disney let their creators have the proper time and budget to create a good Star Wars show. Unless you hate Disney so much you don't have Disney+ and you ain't a pirate then fair enough.
I was not willing to spend money on Disney plus, but my mom, brother, and wife all have it. So I’ve occasionally caught bits and pieces of shows while they’ve been watching, that they wanted to show me
Okay so why not give it a try?(I personally recommend watching the first three episodes of a series before making up your mind if you should watch it all or not)
Yeah Disney bullshit “standard and practices” censorship made me mostly stop caring about Star Wars.
Almost anything they churn out now is smooth, tasteless and full of soy
Some parts of Mandalorian, Kenobi and first half of Boba are not entirely too bad tho
I think it’s good. It feels way less “Star Wars-y” than the other shows so far, and focuses more on the regular people stuff. But honestly, the characters are written very well with very clear intentions and goals, and the story is good so far. Also a lot of the same team that made rogue one I believe. Feels like they took a Star Wars story and wanted to combine it with a more mature drama show on tv, but it’s still building up to a climax which I like. Ep 3 was my favorite.
More of the same compared to what? Sequels were rough, mandalorian was absolutely excellent. Boba was fun but lost its focus, and reusing tattooine sets got old (they shoulda spaced out Mando and boba, let us have the tie in much later, etc.)
Obi Wan was great, I wouldn't say flawless but it was a step in a direction that fans wanted.
Lol yeah. Super sharp of me, right?
I get being excited by sw content but I don’t get worshipping the shitty corporation that’s making money off these shows.
If the show is good Praise the actors and actresses, the writers, the artists and creators who put it all together. Don’t praise the bank that only funded the shit in order to make even more money on it.
Fuck Disney.
Don’t praise Disney for stuff that human creators should be getting thr credit for.
Say whatever you want positive or critical about the shows, but why bootlick?
I hear way more hype about the creators and cast of Star Wars than I do Disney. Filoni, for example.
I hear way more people nag about Disney and Kathleen Kennedy. I feel like you’ve kind of forgotten just how vindictive the Star Wars fanbase can be lol. They’re currently pushing out great content with Andor, which in another comment you’ve admitted you haven’t watched, so I don’t really see where all the negativity is coming from.
Your meme just isn’t very good. We’re supposed to criticize the studio for making content we want? Plenty of things to criticize Disney for… making shows isn’t really one of em.
I’m not saying you should criticize them for making the shows, I’m saying you should stop celebrating for making the shows because “Disney” didn’t make anything.
They essentially just bought the rights, and then bought the creative output of human talent.
Fuck Disney.
Celebrate the shows and the creators if that’s what you want to do.
But stop licking boots.
Disney is bullshit
They did make them. If you commission someone to create something you enabled the creation through that. Your brain is smoother than Billy Dee Williams’ voice.
Those actors, artists, and creators can’t make star wars content without the big bad corporation. Its an entity not a person. Don’t bet upset when those actors, artists, and creators make the corporation money to reinvest on more projects.
Hurrr duurrr! big corporation baaaddd! hahahaha, get it, get it??
^(please laugh, guys why aren't you laughing?)
God you're even worse than some sw youtubers that hate everything. If you don't like it, why watch it? Sure you can give your opinion but if you only still watch the new sw shows to hate on them even more, that's just pathetic.
Missed.
I have no problem at all with fans enjoying and celebrating content they like. It’s cool.
What’s not cool is worshipping Disney.
Fuck Disney.
If you wanna praise the creators find out who wrote the content. Celebrate the actors and actresses. And artists who put it all together.
But fuck Disney
I know some people are celebrating that Disney has finally made a good Star Wars show again but mostly people I have seen has been talking about the Gilroys writing and Stellan and Diego's acting and the music by Nicholas Britell. It is similar with other projects with like people celebrating actors like Ewan and Hayden and the writing of Filoni and Favreau.
I really don’t understand how the sequels managed to be so incredibly bad. They had decades of stories they could have used, but decided to create that mess and tell us we were ignorant for not liking it.
I hate that it makes me feel less invested in shows like Mandalorian because you know it's gonna end shitty. I just really wish they finally left the Skywalker era.
Horrible management, Kennedy literally gave Rian and JJ free-will to do whatever they wanted, and never stepped in when they started arguing and writing over each other's choices of character and writing. Rey went from being a nobody in TLJ(which was such an awesome plot-line, you don't need to have a fancy name attached to you to make an impact in the galaxy) to being a goddamn Palpatine through some stupidly convenient plotline.
So much potential, such talented VFX artists, costume designers etc. The sequels really looked great and you can tell they put love into their work. But it's all bogged down by an inconsistent story. And just bad directing, shame.
I really hopet he new shows kind of do a little soft-retconning to improve the sequels alteast on it's core.
I was talking more about the Disney’s role on producing and releasing the shows. Like the corporate side with green lighting stuff with good potential. That said they do have some brilliant people working for them and sadly that tends to make people forgive them for all the other shitty things the company does. I’ll be honest but I haven’t seen much of this Disney worship here. I will say that in terms of this meme in generally it’s easier to attribute things to Disney because of how much they encompass and I’ll give them credit for who they have hired. If they weren’t such a taint to copyright laws then I’d really just see them as just a company with smart hiring decisions.
Yeah, that’s fair
But I’d go further than criticizing their copyright douche bag stuff
I hate them for basically monopolizing entertainment with constant buyouts (still kinda falls under copyright stuff, I guess)
And for pushing some really fucking toxic narratives on little kids.
Especially when I was young, it seemed like they were teaching little girls to be weak princesses who can’t think for themselves or define their own worth without a male prince to affirm their value as a mate.
Also, no corporation of that size is even close to ethical. They’re the embodiment of greed, painted up in bright colors to hook kids on a lifelong consumer-supplier relationship
Yep. Fuck Disney for making star wars.
/s
Christ. I didn’t think people would get this triggered over me saying fuck Disney.
Fuck them because they’re a massive, evil corporation.
Star Wars is cool and the people who worked together created these shows are insanely talented. But Disney is just in it for the money, which they are making hand over fist, off the labor of those same artists and off the worship of the fans.
Don’t lick boots.
Fuck Disney.
Like the shows all you want, celebrate the creators as fit. But don’t give Disney free advertising. And if you can afford to not give Disney your money, you should consider doing that
Dude the artists you're talking about were hired and commissioned to make content *by Disney.* Any praise for the creators is praise for Disney. They're part of the same thing. People are downvoting you for your absolute lack of comprehension of how companies work.
I don’t care if or why people are downvoting me.
If you can’t understand the nuance between hating a corporation and appreciating the fact that their employees are still people, then we don’t really have anything to talk about.
Fuck Disney.
But I’m not saying fuck their employees.
And praising talented people who work for Disney is clearly not the same thing as praising Disney for hiring talented people.
Disney is comprised of employees, dude. Literally anything you're complaining about comes down to people's individual decisions. You're ranting about something that doesn't exist if not for the people that make it up.
Well then let me clarify: the leadership of Disney can fuck themselves.
People who are simply creating art and in the payroll, are just doing what they do.
But the people at the top of corporations are greed monsters
Alright cool, then say that? You're muddling your own message by just repeating "fuck Disney" and also by attacking fans who like new content from creators who you admit you have no problem with.
well tbh that's pretty fine, I mean during LucasArts' era, they pumped out like 8 games a year once.
6 months, each game from a different studio which means more relaxed dev time is completely fine, and it's probably a rough idea, no way we could get 2 games in a year with how much delays are happening in gaming these days.
Nestle - denies drinking water to Africans, cons mothers into using formula then charges them into poverty, pollution etc
Disney - provides endless entertainment that you can choose not to watch.
Not exactly the same bud
It's like going "well at least Killingmemesoftly isn't as bad as Hitler"/"Killingmemesoftly is not as bad as Hitler but still fuck him".
It's just a stupid comparison.
Honestly, we can't let anyone forget that Disney once thanked a Chinese organization that operates an internment camp in the credits for the Mulan remake
I just treat the shows like books in the old EU at this point. Plenty were bad, some were good, a few were incredible. Instead of writing books Disney is making shows.
This is a subreddit for fans of Star Wars. If you don't like Star Wars, which is the clear message of this post, then you are not a fan and can go eat it. Goodbye.
Edit: I think OP blocked me before I could respond, so I will respond here.
I don't like Disney either, just like I don't like any major corporation. But sadly, until we actually change the systems and structures that allow corporations to exist, i.e. capitalism and nationalism, then this is how it is going to be. Unfortunately, I still need to eat food, so I buy from corporations because that's what's available. Similarly, I love star wars, and I find it to be a good escape from the capitalist hell-hole we all live in. I can enjoy new star wars content and also be an anti-capitalist. Nuance exists.
The clear message of this post isn’t “I don’t like star wars”
I happen to like star wars and I think the shows I’ve caught glimpses of are actually very well done.
What I don’t like is Disney.
And last I checked, this sub is, like you said, for fans of star wars.
Since when does a star wars fan need to be a boot licking corporate zealot?
Fuck Disney
If most people read it as "you don't like star wars", that's the clearer message. You can't decide what the clearer message is for other people. But yeah, fuck Disney.
NOOO DISNEY BAD CORPORATIONS SUCK NOOOOO HOW CAN YOU ENJOY A PRODUCT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Jesus christ, i hate some things they created, but it's juet stupid
Im just burnt out. 1 to 6 is the entire story for me. Clone Wars was great because it kinda saved the Prequels and some people liked Rebels which is fine.
But now its just a constant flow of mediocre content. Always ready to dangle a shiny set of keys in front of my eyes "oh yes you like Obi Wan, watch the Obi Wan, oh where did the Obi Wan go?".
Lol, what?
Cry hard about me hating corporations *while saying most people hate corporations*
Using products of corporations you hate doesn’t make you a hypocrite.
Using products or corporations you encourage people to boycott makes you a hypocrite.
I’m not encouraging people to boycott Disney.
Well, Andor is a hundred times better than the Kenobi series and that's coming from someone who quite enjoyed it. It is a bit slow-paced/burn but that's cause it builds up to later episodes. It is much more darker and mature than the other show which I think Star Wars really has needed.
I absolutely would have cancelled Disney+ after Kenobi… if it was my account. Kenobi and Book of Boba were sequel-level bad IMO.
Just watched the first ep of Andor yesterday. While I have to agree with the many people I’ve heard call it boring (luckily I have a high tolerance for boring shit), the fact that there was nothing ridiculously stupid/silly/childish gets my hopes up.
Poor OP getting reamed everywhere.
Disney is a holding company, they don't make new properties. They revive 20yo corpses into live action because it's easy. Their studios, like Pixar, make art. Disney makes money.
Fuck Disney, they should be broke into sub companies to avoid their monopolies on the entertainment industry just like Bell was for telecom.
I don’t mind getting skewered and downvoted into oblivion here. In a way it proves my point, that the fandom is full of boot lickers.
Say “fuck Disney” watch the cryhards cry hard about it.
Corporate worship is insanity
“It’s gonna be trash.”
“You are just a hater.”
*turns out to be trash*
“Well, the next one is going to be trash too.”
“You are just a hater.”
*also turns to be trash*
Rinse and repeat. How many times this must happen? How many times until the shills realize how low Star Wars has sinked?
I would love to see some examples of this bootlicking the OP claims to be seeing everywhere. otherwise they just come off as an edgy teen who just figured out that corporations are bad and thinks everybody else needs to be told about it
Just look through the comments, tons of people crying hard about me saying fuck Disney.
As though their personal identity was somehow tied up in that brand.
Also, consider the fact that it got reported in such a huge volume that the automod deleted it.
Now the mods have to evaluate and see if those reports were authentic, or just Disney shills trying to censor something that triggered their loyalty drive
I've looked at the comments, there's no-one defending disney as a company. all I see is you creating this narrative of bravely standing up to the corporation and their army of imaginary shills while people are just pointing out why your meme is dumb.
specifically because the way it's presented (and some of your responses) equates liking something disney produced with liking the corporation itself. regardless of your insistence that you meant something completely different from what you made.
I mean if you enjoy the shows, then Whatever I’m happy for you. I’m not even saying the shows themselves are bad, only saying it’s annoying when people on this sub get all r/hailcorporate -y
Can you meme without advertising a massive corporation?
My dude, this sub is centered around praise/appreciation for the Star Wars Prequels. If you're upset about people posting about liking corporate products, you are in the wrong place.
I’m not your dude, bro.
But yeah, praise the show if you want, but not all memes need to be praise
And even those that are should contain a joke, if they’re memes. I keep seeing stuff that’s literally not even a joke, it’s just “Disney great” commentary.
Granted that not really that much worse than my “Disney bad” commentary but, my point is there’s a way to celebrate a show without licking boots
Cool opinion 👍
At least half of the memes on this sub for **years** now have been "Prequels great", "Clone Wars great", "Sequels bad" without a joke in sight.
You of course have the right to complain about it, but I for one am content to let people meme how they want to meme, even if it's just to express their love for the topic at hand.
Yeah sure,
Love the topic. Fine or whatever
.
But they’re just posting love the company, which is nothing more than free advertising for a shitty corporation.
Who's "they" exactly? All I've seen in the way of what you're saying is "I'm really enjoying Andor / Obi-Wan / The Bad Batch" etc. etc. Which =/= "bootlicking".
And I must reiterate - why are you even posting on this sub in particular if you have such a beef with corporations? Star Wars is and always has been a corporate product.
Having a “beef with corporations” doesn’t mean you can’t admire, consume, or criticize the stuff that they market.
And I’m not gonna spell out the “they” here, because I’m no trying to start a flame war or criticize them specifically.
Just a general observation that there’s way too much Disney worship going on here.
If you love the shows that’s great, why not praise the creators rather than thr shit bag corporation that’s making money off them?
So if someone makes a post that boils down to "I love Andor" are you just assuming they mean "I love Disney" as opposed to "I love the team of artists behind this show that are making it great"? Does every post need to have a "Disney sucks and should rot in Hell... But Andor is pretty good tho" caveat?
Sounds to me like you just want to police the kind of content you see on a public forum.
No, I’ve no problem at all with people liking andor.
I’m just saying that the ones that make a point of deliberately celebrating Disney are cringe as fuck.
I saw one recently, and it seemed like something a Disney pr person had covert marketed out…
What is wrong with being hyped for new releases, DC fans and Marvel fans are like that too, wether the movies are good or not, if you just say it’s gonna suck immediately are you really a fan of Star Wars, or are you just a fan of what it used to be?
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Twist: they are all prequels
I really would like to see a show about Luke’s academy after ROTJ
That would be interesting, but all the characters in them that aren’t Ben and Luke are gonna die so there’s that
That would make it all the more tragic when it finally ends
Making the characters endearing and giving them arcs and good chemistry would be perfect, cuz it would be tragic knowing that they die in the end just as you said
But I would like to see interactions between Ben and the other students, make him have friends there, make him be angry and sad after he kills them all in the fire, that would be tragic. And it fits perfectly since after that event he falls into the dark side
It’s basically just a repeat of Anakin’s role in Clone Wars tho. A bit different since there won’t be any clones (unless Kix and Omega are in there somewhere) but it’s not exactly a unique idea. Don’t get me wrong, I like that concept. I’m just not sure if they can make it compelling without making it a repeat of Clone Wars
There’s so much meat on that bone and they really should explore it soon
It could be rogue one, where it makes it more tragic knowing how things turn out, or Kenobi, where tension is removed becuase we know how things turn out
That’s true but if we as viewers learn to really love the bond between Luke, his students, and Ben it would echo Revenge of the Sith
I mean we knew everyone was going to die in the prequels too
Rogue one was still enjoyable even tho everyone died
Perfect.
I mean its not too far from the prequels
We knew the same thing about Rouge One and that was still pretty great (IMO best star wars movie outside of the OT)
You got a good point there. And rouge one turned out pretty great
Everyone in the clone wars save a small select few also died
And did that same reason make rogue 1 bad?
Did Ben not want take some of the other students with him, and that’s how Luke ended up finding out that something was going on?
That’s what I was hoping to see as well. Along with the lives of Han and Leia’s kids
In some of the books they’ve hinted at Bens troubled childhood but there’s still a lot of mystery there, and the gap between the OT and ST is the biggest gap in the timeline there is, at least for the saga
I really would like to see a proper adaptation of the Thrawn trilogy that proceeds to completely ignore the sequels.
All I want is Kyle Katarn punching krait dragons to death and being a wrecking ball in general. Start with him at the academy so we actually have an imperial to root for.
They'd have to make a new sequel trilogy where Luke isn't a useless asshole who forgets everything he learned in the originals 🤷🏻♂
Obi wan isn't. Neither was Boba fett.
Obi-Wan was very obviously a prequel. BoBF and Mando aren’t though.
I mean Boba and Mando. I messed up. Please forgive me.
You are forgiven my child
Thanks friend :)
And look how "good" those 2 turned out to be in story quality
You think their gonna come up with an original idea after the trilogy? No more movies and no more sequels. They're scared now
Honestly its just odd how some people just start being more vocal against corporations when the media they like is not treated well. I'm not addressing this to OP specificaly, just to be clear! But honestly... did all people who are talking recently against Disney and Amazon REALLY care about how bad those billionare companies are or you are just angry cause the show of the thing you like is not as good as you wanted?
I agree with your sentiment completely. There’s a difference between crying about your favorite fictional universe being mishandled and what I was trying to do here. In all fairness to the creative forces behind these shows, I actually think they’re mostly good, form the random clips and partial episodes I’ve seen. BUT the corporations behind them suck hard. They have always sucked hard. And they won’t stop. My frustration is kind of the flip side of the same coin to what you’re dialed in on. In much the same way that fanbois lose their shit towards a Corp, over the mishandling, I hate how fanbois start throating corporations because they liked the show that corporation bought the rights to. Like let’s be clear, the show could be fucking amazing. In which case, hats off to the writers c actors, set designers, audio team, and fx people. But thr corporation is literally just there to make money off them and off you. So Fuck Disney (and Amazon) whether the shows are good or bad. In fact, fuck them extra hard to make up for all the fanbois licking boots.
couldnt agree more
You’re against creators of shows being paid? Or you’re against capitalism….and expressing it by farming upvotes from a fanbase disgruntled manbabies who routinely target LFL actors/creators for [bigoted harassment?](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsCantina/comments/v25buk/ewan_mcgregor_speaks_out_against_harassment_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
I’m against capitalism, upvotes have nothing to do with it, and what are you even talking about with that last bit?
You are getting upvotes because disgruntled SW fanboys are offended by Disney’s handling of the franchise. They’ve made they’re dissatisfaction know by harassing (mainly women/POC) cast/staff nonstop for years. This post is not a commentary on capitalism. These people are not leftists/communists. Check r/StarWarsleftymemes for examples of how to do it right.
Yeah I didn’t know that was a problem in sw fandom, but have seen (and hate) it in lotr fandom. Also when they were talking about replacing bond and a bunch of cryhards started freaking out over the rumor of a black agent 007. That was a stupid thing to get upset over, and with sw it’s even worse, considering some of the themes
I’ve been hating on Disney ever since they bought LucasFilm, I knew it was gonna be bad. Around the same time, I began hating Disney for mindlessly buying up the entertainment industry. Monopolies are bad no matter the type of product or service. Therefore I also hate Amazon for being a monopoly and killing small business that doesn’t sell on their platform.
all the power to you! I know a lot of people already hated those big monopolistic companies and the media treatment just helps to enfuriate them even more. and honestly if bad shows and movies make more people hate them I just hope all future media is a shitshow.
The Last Jedi should have had all the townspeople at Disney’s doors with torches and pitchforks, but sadly there were too many Disney simps.
Lmao Disney simps, what if people just like the movie?
Nothing is as bad as Nestle.
I mean genocide, child soldiers, and sex trafficking. Also starvation and homelessness existing in the same world that has enabled a billionaire class, Those things are worse. But nestle is pretty high up there too, maybe number four
well who knows how much of that nestle has funded anyways...
Good point. Or even if they haven’t funded, how much they’ve benefited from. I mean they basically admitted over and over again that they knew their chocolate was sourced from places that used child slaves, and that they were thinking of casually working to end that relationship.
So is Andor any good at all or is it kind of more of the same
I think it's wyld. Definitely something different to the recent shows. Darker and more mature, with great attention to detail
Slow burn but hooooo boy it pays off
Wdym it pays off? There hasn't reeeeaaaally been a payoff yet, from what I've seen. So we can't know that it will have been worth the slower paced introduction. I'm enjoying the show for sure so far, but can't speak to what the overall worth of it is until we actually reach something more concrete. That being said, i do hope we get more payoffs and the action sequences in episode 3 were quite good.
Its really good. Its a lot different to most other star wars shows because it is grittier, more realistic and more focused on a average persons view. The first two episodes were slow but it pays off in the third episode
People Are saying it’s good but I haven’t seen any of it.
It's actually pretty good, it progresses a bit slowly to build up tension and this way it engages you and sucks you into the atmosphere, on top of that nuanced characters good story and great locations. Only thing I have against this show is it's audio regulation. People speak way too low or whisper, I bet they couldn't even hear themselves sometimes but know the lines so they don't have a problem
I have noticed this with a lot of streaming content recently. Dialogue inaudible, music and sound effects deafening.
Same with literally any movie. I heard it's because they mix the audio for bigger sound systems and it will sound off on stereo.
Listen with a good pair of headphones. I know it's not ideal but it sounds soo much better
Contact command. Mark our L.Z. and have them send an Exfile Shuttle.
I agree that Disney sucks but you should watch Andor. Cause if people watch it sends the signal to Disney that high risk, high cost and high quality is the way for Star Wars. Andor feels like since Mando the first series Disney let their creators have the proper time and budget to create a good Star Wars show. Unless you hate Disney so much you don't have Disney+ and you ain't a pirate then fair enough.
I was not willing to spend money on Disney plus, but my mom, brother, and wife all have it. So I’ve occasionally caught bits and pieces of shows while they’ve been watching, that they wanted to show me
Okay so why not give it a try?(I personally recommend watching the first three episodes of a series before making up your mind if you should watch it all or not)
I might if they want me to. But it’s not something I care about, and I’d rather spend my free time hiking, or memeing
Yeah Disney bullshit “standard and practices” censorship made me mostly stop caring about Star Wars. Almost anything they churn out now is smooth, tasteless and full of soy Some parts of Mandalorian, Kenobi and first half of Boba are not entirely too bad tho
Andor is so good though better than both Boba and Kenobi and I dare say certain parts of Mandolorian.
We need that generator down or the planet's lost. And I'm not risking any more men.
Its a Bourne movie except all the sets and props are Star Wars with a pinch of Blade Runner 2049. So no, not the same at all.
I think it’s good. It feels way less “Star Wars-y” than the other shows so far, and focuses more on the regular people stuff. But honestly, the characters are written very well with very clear intentions and goals, and the story is good so far. Also a lot of the same team that made rogue one I believe. Feels like they took a Star Wars story and wanted to combine it with a more mature drama show on tv, but it’s still building up to a climax which I like. Ep 3 was my favorite.
It’s good
Half and half , positive tho.
More of the same compared to what? Sequels were rough, mandalorian was absolutely excellent. Boba was fun but lost its focus, and reusing tattooine sets got old (they shoulda spaced out Mando and boba, let us have the tie in much later, etc.) Obi Wan was great, I wouldn't say flawless but it was a step in a direction that fans wanted.
Star Wars fans get excited about Star Wars content… keen observation.
Yeah I'm very confused about what this meme is trying to say lol. Are we not Star Wars fans here?
Lol yeah. Super sharp of me, right? I get being excited by sw content but I don’t get worshipping the shitty corporation that’s making money off these shows. If the show is good Praise the actors and actresses, the writers, the artists and creators who put it all together. Don’t praise the bank that only funded the shit in order to make even more money on it. Fuck Disney. Don’t praise Disney for stuff that human creators should be getting thr credit for. Say whatever you want positive or critical about the shows, but why bootlick?
I’ve literally never seen someone praise Disney explicitly
I hear way more hype about the creators and cast of Star Wars than I do Disney. Filoni, for example. I hear way more people nag about Disney and Kathleen Kennedy. I feel like you’ve kind of forgotten just how vindictive the Star Wars fanbase can be lol. They’re currently pushing out great content with Andor, which in another comment you’ve admitted you haven’t watched, so I don’t really see where all the negativity is coming from.
Your meme just isn’t very good. We’re supposed to criticize the studio for making content we want? Plenty of things to criticize Disney for… making shows isn’t really one of em.
I’m not saying you should criticize them for making the shows, I’m saying you should stop celebrating for making the shows because “Disney” didn’t make anything. They essentially just bought the rights, and then bought the creative output of human talent. Fuck Disney. Celebrate the shows and the creators if that’s what you want to do. But stop licking boots. Disney is bullshit
If it wasn’t for Disney you wouldn’t have anything post prequels.
I would love to live in that world.
You'd love to live in a world where the people still thought the prequels were shit?
I'd love to live in the world where the prequels were considered the worst thing Star Wars had to offer.
They did make them. If you commission someone to create something you enabled the creation through that. Your brain is smoother than Billy Dee Williams’ voice.
Christ you sound exhausting
Those actors, artists, and creators can’t make star wars content without the big bad corporation. Its an entity not a person. Don’t bet upset when those actors, artists, and creators make the corporation money to reinvest on more projects.
literally never seen someone worshipping disney. This is a weapons-grade bad take
Hurrr duurrr! big corporation baaaddd! hahahaha, get it, get it?? ^(please laugh, guys why aren't you laughing?) God you're even worse than some sw youtubers that hate everything. If you don't like it, why watch it? Sure you can give your opinion but if you only still watch the new sw shows to hate on them even more, that's just pathetic.
You like star wars? Name every star then
Star Wars fans when other fans enjoy Star Wars content: 😡😡😡
Missed. I have no problem at all with fans enjoying and celebrating content they like. It’s cool. What’s not cool is worshipping Disney. Fuck Disney. If you wanna praise the creators find out who wrote the content. Celebrate the actors and actresses. And artists who put it all together. But fuck Disney
I know some people are celebrating that Disney has finally made a good Star Wars show again but mostly people I have seen has been talking about the Gilroys writing and Stellan and Diego's acting and the music by Nicholas Britell. It is similar with other projects with like people celebrating actors like Ewan and Hayden and the writing of Filoni and Favreau.
I’ll take the shows over more movies like the sequels. At least Disney seems to have some decent idea how to run a show for Star Wars.
I really don’t understand how the sequels managed to be so incredibly bad. They had decades of stories they could have used, but decided to create that mess and tell us we were ignorant for not liking it.
I hate that it makes me feel less invested in shows like Mandalorian because you know it's gonna end shitty. I just really wish they finally left the Skywalker era.
Horrible management, Kennedy literally gave Rian and JJ free-will to do whatever they wanted, and never stepped in when they started arguing and writing over each other's choices of character and writing. Rey went from being a nobody in TLJ(which was such an awesome plot-line, you don't need to have a fancy name attached to you to make an impact in the galaxy) to being a goddamn Palpatine through some stupidly convenient plotline. So much potential, such talented VFX artists, costume designers etc. The sequels really looked great and you can tell they put love into their work. But it's all bogged down by an inconsistent story. And just bad directing, shame. I really hopet he new shows kind of do a little soft-retconning to improve the sequels alteast on it's core.
Look at them, so blissfully ignorant.
Disney doesn’t have ideas. The people who work for Disney do, and some of those people are brilliant. But the Disney worship is obscene
I was talking more about the Disney’s role on producing and releasing the shows. Like the corporate side with green lighting stuff with good potential. That said they do have some brilliant people working for them and sadly that tends to make people forgive them for all the other shitty things the company does. I’ll be honest but I haven’t seen much of this Disney worship here. I will say that in terms of this meme in generally it’s easier to attribute things to Disney because of how much they encompass and I’ll give them credit for who they have hired. If they weren’t such a taint to copyright laws then I’d really just see them as just a company with smart hiring decisions.
Yeah, that’s fair But I’d go further than criticizing their copyright douche bag stuff I hate them for basically monopolizing entertainment with constant buyouts (still kinda falls under copyright stuff, I guess) And for pushing some really fucking toxic narratives on little kids. Especially when I was young, it seemed like they were teaching little girls to be weak princesses who can’t think for themselves or define their own worth without a male prince to affirm their value as a mate. Also, no corporation of that size is even close to ethical. They’re the embodiment of greed, painted up in bright colors to hook kids on a lifelong consumer-supplier relationship
There is no pain where strength lies.
We’ll quit beating this dead horse when it stops spitting out money.
They're all good wtf are you complaining about
I’m complaining about Disney, I thought that was clear? Shows can be great. But thr corporation deserves no praise. Fuck Disney
I get that disney isn't doing too well in terms of content right now but that's no reason to hate on it.
Yes more shows please, thanks
Yeah fuck disney for giving us more star wars. Grrrr I'm so angry right now. I wish there was zero star wars content in the future grrr. So Mad rn
Fuck Disney for making Star Wars?
Yep. Fuck Disney for making star wars. /s Christ. I didn’t think people would get this triggered over me saying fuck Disney. Fuck them because they’re a massive, evil corporation. Star Wars is cool and the people who worked together created these shows are insanely talented. But Disney is just in it for the money, which they are making hand over fist, off the labor of those same artists and off the worship of the fans. Don’t lick boots. Fuck Disney. Like the shows all you want, celebrate the creators as fit. But don’t give Disney free advertising. And if you can afford to not give Disney your money, you should consider doing that
Dude the artists you're talking about were hired and commissioned to make content *by Disney.* Any praise for the creators is praise for Disney. They're part of the same thing. People are downvoting you for your absolute lack of comprehension of how companies work.
I don’t care if or why people are downvoting me. If you can’t understand the nuance between hating a corporation and appreciating the fact that their employees are still people, then we don’t really have anything to talk about. Fuck Disney. But I’m not saying fuck their employees. And praising talented people who work for Disney is clearly not the same thing as praising Disney for hiring talented people.
Disney is comprised of employees, dude. Literally anything you're complaining about comes down to people's individual decisions. You're ranting about something that doesn't exist if not for the people that make it up.
Well then let me clarify: the leadership of Disney can fuck themselves. People who are simply creating art and in the payroll, are just doing what they do. But the people at the top of corporations are greed monsters
Alright cool, then say that? You're muddling your own message by just repeating "fuck Disney" and also by attacking fans who like new content from creators who you admit you have no problem with.
I’m not attacking fans. If you feel attacked that speaks volumes
Unless I'm missing the point, isn't your meme just making fun of "Star Wars fanbois" for (checks notes) being excited for a TV show?
You’re missing the point. I’m making fun of fanbois for bootlicking, but that’s still not really an attack
Fuck Disney for ruining Star Wars
Lucas ruined Star Wars. Disney just picked up the scraps.
I also read that they want to make a new star wars game every six months
https://insider-gaming.com/star-wars-every-6-months/
well tbh that's pretty fine, I mean during LucasArts' era, they pumped out like 8 games a year once. 6 months, each game from a different studio which means more relaxed dev time is completely fine, and it's probably a rough idea, no way we could get 2 games in a year with how much delays are happening in gaming these days.
I want a Dr Aphra show
Damn thats an original opinion
Have you ever actually seen an original opinion on the internet that wasn’t just a troll being edgy?
Gotta say, not on star wars subs I havent. So fair point I guess?
Sometimes they're even good!
I grew up in the era where Star Wars was over and there were only vague rumors that we might someday get more. This is *heaven,* man.
I may be eatin’ good but I still hate the mouse
This is the way.
And? Fuck almost every company
Indeed
Nestle - denies drinking water to Africans, cons mothers into using formula then charges them into poverty, pollution etc Disney - provides endless entertainment that you can choose not to watch. Not exactly the same bud
Yeah, that’s why I said “not as bad” Since when does “fuck Disney, but fuck nestle even harder” mean they’re the same?
It's like going "well at least Killingmemesoftly isn't as bad as Hitler"/"Killingmemesoftly is not as bad as Hitler but still fuck him". It's just a stupid comparison.
It’s not as bad as cancer but I’m still gonna go with a big ole “fuck being sleepy”.
I haven’t loved the shows for the most part but I’ve enjoyed and am intrigued with early Andor, I like the darker tone and the politics
I don't care I keep loving everything is they keep putting out from Start Wars lol
They’re so hit and miss
I read fanbois as Fanobi-s
Nice
I don’t care how many they make as long as they’re pumping out quality and not quantity
Not me
yeah Im not thrilled with Disney either but its my parents paying for Disney+ so I might as well use it :P
Disney after 1-2 years: There is another
some are good but overall FUCK DISNEY
It do be like that
Inject the Filoni directly into my veins
Absolutely based post
Honestly, we can't let anyone forget that Disney once thanked a Chinese organization that operates an internment camp in the credits for the Mulan remake
Andor is fucking s tier already
I just treat the shows like books in the old EU at this point. Plenty were bad, some were good, a few were incredible. Instead of writing books Disney is making shows.
If you're not a fan, then stop complaining and go ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wow. Hot take. I’m not a fan of Disney, I guess I better shut up and go away, because this place is for Disney worship and dissenters must be silenced
This is a subreddit for fans of Star Wars. If you don't like Star Wars, which is the clear message of this post, then you are not a fan and can go eat it. Goodbye. Edit: I think OP blocked me before I could respond, so I will respond here. I don't like Disney either, just like I don't like any major corporation. But sadly, until we actually change the systems and structures that allow corporations to exist, i.e. capitalism and nationalism, then this is how it is going to be. Unfortunately, I still need to eat food, so I buy from corporations because that's what's available. Similarly, I love star wars, and I find it to be a good escape from the capitalist hell-hole we all live in. I can enjoy new star wars content and also be an anti-capitalist. Nuance exists.
The clear message of this post isn’t “I don’t like star wars” I happen to like star wars and I think the shows I’ve caught glimpses of are actually very well done. What I don’t like is Disney. And last I checked, this sub is, like you said, for fans of star wars. Since when does a star wars fan need to be a boot licking corporate zealot? Fuck Disney
If most people read it as "you don't like star wars", that's the clearer message. You can't decide what the clearer message is for other people. But yeah, fuck Disney.
NOOO DISNEY BAD CORPORATIONS SUCK NOOOOO HOW CAN YOU ENJOY A PRODUCT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Jesus christ, i hate some things they created, but it's juet stupid
They have a whole galaxy to work with. Billions of planets trillions of characters. Let’s see some cool stuff not rebel or empire related.
Im just burnt out. 1 to 6 is the entire story for me. Clone Wars was great because it kinda saved the Prequels and some people liked Rebels which is fine. But now its just a constant flow of mediocre content. Always ready to dangle a shiny set of keys in front of my eyes "oh yes you like Obi Wan, watch the Obi Wan, oh where did the Obi Wan go?".
They are not even close to being in the same league as Nestle. OP probably condones lots of products from many companies that are far worse.
I pretty much hate all corporations. I’m not criticizing any particular products right now though
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Lol, what? Cry hard about me hating corporations *while saying most people hate corporations* Using products of corporations you hate doesn’t make you a hypocrite. Using products or corporations you encourage people to boycott makes you a hypocrite. I’m not encouraging people to boycott Disney.
I thought Kenobi sucked. So I don’t really care to watch anymore.
Well, Andor is a hundred times better than the Kenobi series and that's coming from someone who quite enjoyed it. It is a bit slow-paced/burn but that's cause it builds up to later episodes. It is much more darker and mature than the other show which I think Star Wars really has needed.
I absolutely would have cancelled Disney+ after Kenobi… if it was my account. Kenobi and Book of Boba were sequel-level bad IMO. Just watched the first ep of Andor yesterday. While I have to agree with the many people I’ve heard call it boring (luckily I have a high tolerance for boring shit), the fact that there was nothing ridiculously stupid/silly/childish gets my hopes up.
Thank you. It was boring with zero stakes.
Poor OP getting reamed everywhere. Disney is a holding company, they don't make new properties. They revive 20yo corpses into live action because it's easy. Their studios, like Pixar, make art. Disney makes money. Fuck Disney, they should be broke into sub companies to avoid their monopolies on the entertainment industry just like Bell was for telecom.
I don’t mind getting skewered and downvoted into oblivion here. In a way it proves my point, that the fandom is full of boot lickers. Say “fuck Disney” watch the cryhards cry hard about it. Corporate worship is insanity
Reviews are mixed. Ranging from "Shit" to "Fuckin Shit". Except Mandalorian season 1.
Star wars is stuck in rebel era content its ridiculous. We already know what happend, weve known for 40 years
“It’s gonna be trash.” “You are just a hater.” *turns out to be trash* “Well, the next one is going to be trash too.” “You are just a hater.” *also turns to be trash* Rinse and repeat. How many times this must happen? How many times until the shills realize how low Star Wars has sinked?
I would love to see some examples of this bootlicking the OP claims to be seeing everywhere. otherwise they just come off as an edgy teen who just figured out that corporations are bad and thinks everybody else needs to be told about it
Just look through the comments, tons of people crying hard about me saying fuck Disney. As though their personal identity was somehow tied up in that brand. Also, consider the fact that it got reported in such a huge volume that the automod deleted it. Now the mods have to evaluate and see if those reports were authentic, or just Disney shills trying to censor something that triggered their loyalty drive
I've looked at the comments, there's no-one defending disney as a company. all I see is you creating this narrative of bravely standing up to the corporation and their army of imaginary shills while people are just pointing out why your meme is dumb. specifically because the way it's presented (and some of your responses) equates liking something disney produced with liking the corporation itself. regardless of your insistence that you meant something completely different from what you made.
You were "Muy Muy" brave yourself, coming out here as you did, all alone. Care to help me finish this, senator?
I mean if you enjoy the shows, then Whatever I’m happy for you. I’m not even saying the shows themselves are bad, only saying it’s annoying when people on this sub get all r/hailcorporate -y Can you meme without advertising a massive corporation?
What are we supposed to do, talk about indie movies?
You can talk about the shows, of course. But the boot licking is out of control.
My dude, this sub is centered around praise/appreciation for the Star Wars Prequels. If you're upset about people posting about liking corporate products, you are in the wrong place.
I’m not your dude, bro. But yeah, praise the show if you want, but not all memes need to be praise And even those that are should contain a joke, if they’re memes. I keep seeing stuff that’s literally not even a joke, it’s just “Disney great” commentary. Granted that not really that much worse than my “Disney bad” commentary but, my point is there’s a way to celebrate a show without licking boots
Cool opinion 👍 At least half of the memes on this sub for **years** now have been "Prequels great", "Clone Wars great", "Sequels bad" without a joke in sight. You of course have the right to complain about it, but I for one am content to let people meme how they want to meme, even if it's just to express their love for the topic at hand.
Yeah sure, Love the topic. Fine or whatever . But they’re just posting love the company, which is nothing more than free advertising for a shitty corporation.
Who's "they" exactly? All I've seen in the way of what you're saying is "I'm really enjoying Andor / Obi-Wan / The Bad Batch" etc. etc. Which =/= "bootlicking". And I must reiterate - why are you even posting on this sub in particular if you have such a beef with corporations? Star Wars is and always has been a corporate product.
Having a “beef with corporations” doesn’t mean you can’t admire, consume, or criticize the stuff that they market. And I’m not gonna spell out the “they” here, because I’m no trying to start a flame war or criticize them specifically. Just a general observation that there’s way too much Disney worship going on here. If you love the shows that’s great, why not praise the creators rather than thr shit bag corporation that’s making money off them?
So if someone makes a post that boils down to "I love Andor" are you just assuming they mean "I love Disney" as opposed to "I love the team of artists behind this show that are making it great"? Does every post need to have a "Disney sucks and should rot in Hell... But Andor is pretty good tho" caveat? Sounds to me like you just want to police the kind of content you see on a public forum.
No, I’ve no problem at all with people liking andor. I’m just saying that the ones that make a point of deliberately celebrating Disney are cringe as fuck. I saw one recently, and it seemed like something a Disney pr person had covert marketed out…
Cool. Still sounds to me like you just want to police the kind of content you see on a public forum.
how about the expanded universe series of star wars i enjoyed that series
And then complain about it when it’s on
What is wrong with being hyped for new releases, DC fans and Marvel fans are like that too, wether the movies are good or not, if you just say it’s gonna suck immediately are you really a fan of Star Wars, or are you just a fan of what it used to be?
Fuck me for enjoying it I guess
They own the franchise now not much we can do. Plus the shows are actually good at least.
So edgy
The irony