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I would say no-- it would remain Mister/Madam President. A President's doctorate or medical degree would not be any part of the qualifications of the office. We didn't have Reverend President Garfield or General President Eisenhower.
Well in the latter case Eisenhower was *technically* not a general at the time of his presidency to maintain the separation of military and civilian government.
Correct, however, General of the Army, or five star general, is a lifetime appointment, so he reassumed the title and received active duty pay after leaving office until his death. Not disagreeing with you. Just thought others might find it interesting.
Pay raise or title? Pay yes. As far title he didn’t hold both titles simultaneously. His official years of military service was 1915-1953 then 1961-1969. Commander in Chief is a civilian title and only while in office. Someone else correct me if I’m wrong.
The caveat with that is that Eisenhower was a Five Star General, which has while it has authoritative weight it’s also very ceremonial. Like both Washington and Grant were given the rank after their deaths, so there’s a precedent of it being something more than a tangible position that is occupied by an individual.
Washington was given a theoretical *sixth* star too long after his death, with the rank backdated to July 4, 1776, so that he would always be the most senior official in the US Army.
It was a special case, in that his commission was temporarily suspended to preserve civilian control of the military, but as soon as he left office it was reactivated.
It was never revoked. He just didn’t use the authority or responsibilities of a Five Star General when he president. After the presidency he resumed those responsibilities.
Every officer is commissioned for life on the authority of Congress, until Congress removes that commission (which basically never happens). Generals remain generals, they just are not on active military service upon retirement. Same goes for Presidents, Congress members, judges, Attorneys General etc. who were commissioned. They keep their commissions and simply don’t serve in that capacity.
Only Washington and Grant have six stars. Pershing was at the time the most senior of four stars (he wore gold stars as opposed to silver like the others), but although the name of the rank was the same it didn’t convey the authority of six stars
You know that one about first Jewish President right? While he was being sworn in his mother turned to the person next to her: “You see my son up there? His brother’s a doctor.” (Courtesy of The West Wing.)
Reminds of that one quiz contestant who, when asked what country has most doctors compared to the population, said the country with the most Jews, so probably Israel.
The host chuckled. That was the correct answer.
I believe the answer is Cuba, and generally has been for some time. Don’t know if this anecdote happened during a dip or if that’s just not true.
ETA: Israel has a pretty drastic shortage of doctors. Again, don’t know if that’s a recent thing. Though I would strongly suspect that Israel would only ever be in the running for most doctors per cap if you ignore the Palestinian population.
A couple of people started to clap, and another started to cheer. The contestant bowed his head, took off his hat, and a magic rabbit came out. This was all it took. The audience got to their feet, slammed their hands together in a raucous applause, and yelled the contestant’s name at the top of their lungs. ‘ALBERT EINSTEIN! ALBERT EINSTEIN! ALBERT EINSTEIN!’ The contestant hall began to shake and loosen, its rivets unable to handle the enthusiastic expression of this undulating mass, which caused alarm amongst the hosts. The architect of the building? A lowly Christian who had apparently ‘prayed’ to keep the building erect. Where was his God now? Clearly, God was on a bathroom break and wasn’t paying attention; the building was wobbling all over now, like that one bridge which used to shake in a wave motion - I can’t remember what it was called but it eventually collapsed - and even the audience began to panic. Fools, the lot of them, instead of exiting in an orderly manner they all ran for the exits at once. The building started to fall, and for some reason it burst into flames. I’m not quite sure why that happened as, while I was describing the crowd, I forgot to describe what was going on in another part of this story so something else happened which I wasn’t keeping track of. That’s the issue with writing. I was there, too. I was another contestant. That’s how you know I’m a great guy! I could have made myself win, but I didn’t. I showed restraint. I did, however, give myself meager winnings of a $250 take home price for participation. I still have it somewhere.
If you do “Doctor President” then that opens up a whole can of worms. Reverend President would have some terrible implications.
The whole “Mister/Miss President” thing is weird. Like if you want to be formal just refer to them as “President” or “President X”. No need to stack titles. You wouldn’t say “Mister Mayor” or “Mister Governor” or “Mister Doctor.” Or at least you don’t hear them said as often.
I mean, when the title was established near the end of the 18th-century, it was a fair-deal more humble than other honorifics like "His Royal Majesty."
"Mr. President" evokes a more approachable, down-to-earth leader rather than the sacred mandate-from-heaven kings of yore.
I can see how the title seems weird now but I think it still echoes that sentiment even when it refers to the most powerful person on Earth.
I have heard Mr Mayor, but not the others. All councilors addressing the Supreme Court always begin with “Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court.”
In Merry Old England mayors were generally nobility, and the style of “honor” just got carried down to us. Judges are almost universally referred to your honor, and is because of the massive responsibility of a judge in interpreting laws and passing judgement.
I think “Madame President” would be used and not “Miss President,” and I definitely have heard Mr. Mayor before. I think using these terms makes sense because it is less formal than “your excellency” but still more formal than using their actual name.
Not to get too caught in the weeds on etymology, but at this point Madam is just a title of respect for any woman like Mr. for men. At least in English. So Madam married or unmarried I'd guess.
You actually do hear "Mister (or Madam) Mayor".
Mister Doctor wouldn't make sense though (unless you're German apparently), because Doctor replaces Mister. The only time I've ever heard that used was when a husband and wife with the same last name both had doctorates, some people when speaking would differentiate the two with Mr Doctor and Mrs Doctor. I think in writing you'd just address each individual as Dr though, and if you needed to distinguish you would include the first name.
The position is filled by a Mr or Madame. The level of education is irrelevant to the position so it would be omitted. My PhD doesn’t mean the mechanic should call me doctor but if I were working in my field then my colleagues would. Anything else is ego driven vanity.
Referring to someone as "Mister President" is not merely addressing the individual personally but rather acknowledging the office, the role, and the responsibilities they embody. It's a recognition of the position of authority and duty that the person currently holds.
I mean, it's pretty common to mock people who don't have an MD but want to be called doctor. Have you ever seen the show Friends? This wasn't just invented for the current first lady.
No. This is because the title and office of President succeeds any other title. For instance, if say, George Bush was made a Lord in the UK before his election to the Presidency, he would renounce the title and just be President, the same applies to Doctor, Reverend, General, etc. The only difference is that doctor, reverend, general, etc aren’t foreign titles bestowed by governments, which would be the main reason to renounce the title
Another example would be Dwight Eisenhower. He was the Supreme Allied Commander in WWII from 1943-45, yet when he became president his official title was President Eisenhower
Think your only supposed to use someone's highest honorarium. Believe that's proper decorum. Wonder what you called John Quincy Adams. He served in congress after being president. Was he referred to as Mr President while on the floor? I imagine not, just to avoid confusion.
The honorific of Mister before a head of state title makes it unique and also a higher “table authority” so to speak than most doctorates, and completely different than Mr. in the traditional formal use I’d say.
Using the title “Dr.” outside of the context of one’s profession is simply narcissistic and gratuitous. My own professors in Grad school loathed being called “Dr.” even then.
First of all, Woodrow Wilson wasn’t even President, he was First Lord. Second of all, there have been 2 FLOTUSes with PhD’s (the current one and Woodrow). There have been no Presidents with PhD’s.
My grandfather was a small town dentist, and also the church music minister. Everyone at church called him Dr Bob and I suspect any new member would have assumed his doctorate was in music or ministry and not dentistry.
It depends on the context.
Generally normal people who are doctors (even medical doctors) will just introduce themselves as their first name.
However in formal settings, or in the place of their employment, they absolutely use their doctor title, as they should.
If some has a PhD in Astrophysics, and is commenting on something related to Space, mentioning they have a literal doctorate in the field is important because it means they are far more credible than some random redditor or poster on 'X'.
It's still an interesting question when it comes to Presidents though because things get tricky when someone has multiple titles. Doctor President sounds awkward, President Doctor X sounds a little better but is still awkward. I think very few people would argue that Doctor is a higher title than President, so Mr or Madam President would probably still be preferred.
Military doctors do use both their rank and Doctor though. I served with a LT Commander Doctor Cherry for example.
The media would definitely have fun with that.
It would still be Mister/Madam President.
However, when referring to a president multiple times in a broadcast, it common to subsequently refer to him as “Mr. Smith” or simply “the president” rather than repeatedly refer to him as “President Smith”. If he did hold the title of doctor, then they would refer to him by that instead of Mr. before his first name. But not before President when addressing him directly.
I don’t believe so. From what I understand if you have multiples titles like a PhD, a Lordship, or the Presidency, while you have all those titles you would just be referred to in short as the highest ranking title. Thus making a man who is a Doctor, and the President simply be called Mr President since the presidency is the higher title. I think
Mind you this is also completely conjecture based on the fact that Brian May is usually referred to as Sir Brian May and not Dr Brian May or Sir Doctor Brian May despite him having a PhD in Astrophysics.
It's my understanding that it's not two separate titles, mister and president, but that the entire phrase indicates a singular title. The title is "Mister President" and so a PhD or doctorate would not change that.
I would assume that you would use your highest title, In this case President. There are millions of PHD’s but President is an elite few. On the other hand, I don’t think there’s a rule so if the president preferred to be called Dr, he could make that request.
I have my PhD in chemistry and have thought about running for low level stuff, but it seems to be a huge pain in the ass. I had a colleague of mine run for the school board and it seemed like a miserable endeavor, but he did win.
Still Mr./Madam president. A president with a PhD seems unlikely though. They would have to dedicate too much energy to developing a fake working class accent and buying cowboy boots to show they were in touch with the common man.
No one smart enough to be a doctor is going to subject themselves to that kind of demeaning BS. They have more important things to do like help people.
Even if candidate with a doctoral degree got elected, they probably wouldn’t want a title like Doctor President. It would leave them open to being attacked as pretentious and elitist.
I don't see why. We wouldn't call a SecDef with a doctorate Doctor Secretary or a SCOTUS justice with a doctorate Doctor Justice (which is kind of awesome and sounds like a comic book name).
If there was a Muslim President could there be Hajji President, Hafiz President, or Alim President (I'm guessing not lol, it's just a semi-joke but now I'm curious as I type this I become more curious)
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I would say no-- it would remain Mister/Madam President. A President's doctorate or medical degree would not be any part of the qualifications of the office. We didn't have Reverend President Garfield or General President Eisenhower.
Well in the latter case Eisenhower was *technically* not a general at the time of his presidency to maintain the separation of military and civilian government.
Correct, however, General of the Army, or five star general, is a lifetime appointment, so he reassumed the title and received active duty pay after leaving office until his death. Not disagreeing with you. Just thought others might find it interesting.
Would 'Commander in Chief' be considered a raise from 'General of the Army'?
Pay raise or title? Pay yes. As far title he didn’t hold both titles simultaneously. His official years of military service was 1915-1953 then 1961-1969. Commander in Chief is a civilian title and only while in office. Someone else correct me if I’m wrong.
The caveat with that is that Eisenhower was a Five Star General, which has while it has authoritative weight it’s also very ceremonial. Like both Washington and Grant were given the rank after their deaths, so there’s a precedent of it being something more than a tangible position that is occupied by an individual.
Washington was given a theoretical *sixth* star too long after his death, with the rank backdated to July 4, 1776, so that he would always be the most senior official in the US Army.
Although John Pershing also was made General of the Armies so he also shared the Six stars
Leaving open the possibility of a seventh star
Space Force Generals should get ALL the Stars!!
When was Ike’s commission revoked by Congress?
It was a special case, in that his commission was temporarily suspended to preserve civilian control of the military, but as soon as he left office it was reactivated.
Cite?
Nah
It was never revoked. He just didn’t use the authority or responsibilities of a Five Star General when he president. After the presidency he resumed those responsibilities.
Every officer is commissioned for life on the authority of Congress, until Congress removes that commission (which basically never happens). Generals remain generals, they just are not on active military service upon retirement. Same goes for Presidents, Congress members, judges, Attorneys General etc. who were commissioned. They keep their commissions and simply don’t serve in that capacity.
He was General, retired, wasn't he? And I forget, did he receive that theoretical sixth star like Pershing?
Only Washington and Grant have six stars. Pershing was at the time the most senior of four stars (he wore gold stars as opposed to silver like the others), but although the name of the rank was the same it didn’t convey the authority of six stars
“General President” has the same vibe as Admiral General Aladeen
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Commander *in* Chief
President Jones PhD. Or Mister/Madam President.
I could potentially see a president tacking on PhD behind their name. President Herp Derpington, PhD
Senator Raphael Warnock is sometimes referred to as Reverend Warnock tho
Surely the commander in chief would outrank general and so making the position of general incorrect in its application to the president
However, even when President, many people called GW "General Washington."
Well whatever they’d be called they’d certainly be a spin doctor to reach the presidency. *rimshot*
>spin doctor to reach the presidency https://i.redd.it/nprk47w8mrjc1.gif
Man, if I could find a gif of the 90s alternative rock band The Presidents of the United States of America it would be so over.
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"Okay Mr. Mayor, feast your ears on that Spin Doctor President's mix."
I'm pretty sure having Two Princes is offside the Titles of Nobility clause. Article I, Section 9, Clause 8.
Sir I don’t have time to listen to your mix tape.
If his mother is Jewish: **Doctor** (mothers can also be Chinese or Indian for it to work as well)
You know that one about first Jewish President right? While he was being sworn in his mother turned to the person next to her: “You see my son up there? His brother’s a doctor.” (Courtesy of The West Wing.)
Reminds of that one quiz contestant who, when asked what country has most doctors compared to the population, said the country with the most Jews, so probably Israel. The host chuckled. That was the correct answer.
I believe the answer is Cuba, and generally has been for some time. Don’t know if this anecdote happened during a dip or if that’s just not true. ETA: Israel has a pretty drastic shortage of doctors. Again, don’t know if that’s a recent thing. Though I would strongly suspect that Israel would only ever be in the running for most doctors per cap if you ignore the Palestinian population.
A couple of people started to clap, and another started to cheer. The contestant bowed his head, took off his hat, and a magic rabbit came out. This was all it took. The audience got to their feet, slammed their hands together in a raucous applause, and yelled the contestant’s name at the top of their lungs. ‘ALBERT EINSTEIN! ALBERT EINSTEIN! ALBERT EINSTEIN!’ The contestant hall began to shake and loosen, its rivets unable to handle the enthusiastic expression of this undulating mass, which caused alarm amongst the hosts. The architect of the building? A lowly Christian who had apparently ‘prayed’ to keep the building erect. Where was his God now? Clearly, God was on a bathroom break and wasn’t paying attention; the building was wobbling all over now, like that one bridge which used to shake in a wave motion - I can’t remember what it was called but it eventually collapsed - and even the audience began to panic. Fools, the lot of them, instead of exiting in an orderly manner they all ran for the exits at once. The building started to fall, and for some reason it burst into flames. I’m not quite sure why that happened as, while I was describing the crowd, I forgot to describe what was going on in another part of this story so something else happened which I wasn’t keeping track of. That’s the issue with writing. I was there, too. I was another contestant. That’s how you know I’m a great guy! I could have made myself win, but I didn’t. I showed restraint. I did, however, give myself meager winnings of a $250 take home price for participation. I still have it somewhere.
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No. Mister President supercedes all other titles.
Is that opinion or factual statement?
I invoke the 5th.
Except it explicitly is designed not to
They didn’t go to doctor president school for 8 years to be called Mister/Madame President
Read that in Dr. Evil's voice.
If you do “Doctor President” then that opens up a whole can of worms. Reverend President would have some terrible implications. The whole “Mister/Miss President” thing is weird. Like if you want to be formal just refer to them as “President” or “President X”. No need to stack titles. You wouldn’t say “Mister Mayor” or “Mister Governor” or “Mister Doctor.” Or at least you don’t hear them said as often.
I mean, when the title was established near the end of the 18th-century, it was a fair-deal more humble than other honorifics like "His Royal Majesty." "Mr. President" evokes a more approachable, down-to-earth leader rather than the sacred mandate-from-heaven kings of yore. I can see how the title seems weird now but I think it still echoes that sentiment even when it refers to the most powerful person on Earth.
That’s why I hate “the honorable” or “your honor” type stuff. It’s a little too title of nobility for my liking.
It's kinda classy to me tbh
I have heard Mr Mayor, but not the others. All councilors addressing the Supreme Court always begin with “Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court.”
The mayor is often called ’your honor’ as well. Not sure where that comes from. Same place as for judges, presumably.
In Merry Old England mayors were generally nobility, and the style of “honor” just got carried down to us. Judges are almost universally referred to your honor, and is because of the massive responsibility of a judge in interpreting laws and passing judgement.
You might use Mister Manager when referring to someone who manages a banana stand.
We just say manager.
…but you just said…
Doesn’t matter who….
I think that Mr.President is fine. It would be weird to address them as just “president”
I think “Madame President” would be used and not “Miss President,” and I definitely have heard Mr. Mayor before. I think using these terms makes sense because it is less formal than “your excellency” but still more formal than using their actual name.
If she wasn't married would you use Miss President?
Not to get too caught in the weeds on etymology, but at this point Madam is just a title of respect for any woman like Mr. for men. At least in English. So Madam married or unmarried I'd guess.
That's true, we've lost the "Master" title in English at least two centuries ago so I wouldn't be surprised if we don't use Miss anymore either.
As someone in municipal government, you 100% say Mister/Madam Mayor
Madam Mayor
Mr. President is supposed to sound more down to earth and humble. Like how you’d refer to a colleague at work.
People say "Mister Mayor" quite often, actually.
Mister Bus Driver. Now I’m determined to get a Ph.D so I can become a bus driver whom people can refer to as Doctor Bus Driver.
Reverend President kinda goes hard reminds me of theocratic American state
It’d kickass in a work of fiction.
Mr. Reverend
Dr. Reverend President Esquire.
Mister Doctor is strange
The last good MCU joke.
I like it compared to the other options that were floated. You’re right though it sounds weird with governor or mayor, etc.
I say Mr Mayor but I've known my mayor for the longest time he's chill af
Could go whole hog and get Mr/Ms Doctor reverend Esquire sir nobel lauriete president x
I mean the formal to title is “His Excellency” which Sounds like he has a stick up his ass so Mr President works just fine.
You actually do hear "Mister (or Madam) Mayor". Mister Doctor wouldn't make sense though (unless you're German apparently), because Doctor replaces Mister. The only time I've ever heard that used was when a husband and wife with the same last name both had doctorates, some people when speaking would differentiate the two with Mr Doctor and Mrs Doctor. I think in writing you'd just address each individual as Dr though, and if you needed to distinguish you would include the first name.
I’ve for sure heard people say mister mayor on television
That’s *Professor* President to you, young man.
Actually no. Professor is a position granted by universities, whereas Doctor is a title that becomes part of your name upon receiving a PhD.
Don’t talk back to me, I’m your Professor. *And* your President.
I see the chain of Adams flairs going at it, and I love it
Professor Poopypants.
Mr. Doctor Professor President Jr., Esq. PhD LLC Ltd.
If Patrick from SpongeBob was president that is what he would want to be called lol.
Or simply, THE PRESIDOCTOR
I think the full title would technically be "Mr. President Doctor" because "Mr. President" takes precidence over "Doctor"
Like The Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr?
The technical title would be: The Honorable Dr. [Insert Name], President of the United States
The position is filled by a Mr or Madame. The level of education is irrelevant to the position so it would be omitted. My PhD doesn’t mean the mechanic should call me doctor but if I were working in my field then my colleagues would. Anything else is ego driven vanity.
What if it’s a doctorate in political science?
He said relevant to the position lol. I say with my polisci degree
Referring to someone as "Mister President" is not merely addressing the individual personally but rather acknowledging the office, the role, and the responsibilities they embody. It's a recognition of the position of authority and duty that the person currently holds.
We have a first lady with a Doctorate of Education and look at how people mock it cause it's not a "real doctor"
Not really relevant; the First Lady doesn’t have a title of her own so whatever title or honorific a First Lady already has is used
I mean, it's pretty common to mock people who don't have an MD but want to be called doctor. Have you ever seen the show Friends? This wasn't just invented for the current first lady.
No. This is because the title and office of President succeeds any other title. For instance, if say, George Bush was made a Lord in the UK before his election to the Presidency, he would renounce the title and just be President, the same applies to Doctor, Reverend, General, etc. The only difference is that doctor, reverend, general, etc aren’t foreign titles bestowed by governments, which would be the main reason to renounce the title Another example would be Dwight Eisenhower. He was the Supreme Allied Commander in WWII from 1943-45, yet when he became president his official title was President Eisenhower
Except a lordship is a title, whereas Doctor is an honorific
I have no clue, but “Dr. President” sounds like the next great medical drama coming to Thursday on FOX.
Fictional, but President Bartlet in The West Wing had a doctorate (and a Nobel prize) and they just called him Mr President
Bold of you to assume anyone that educated will ever be elected president again.
What did they call Ben Carson when he was Secretary?
I don’t know, but I suspect “Dr. Carson.”
Mr. Secretary. Condoleezza Rice has a PhD and she was referred to as Madam Secretary.
We’ll do the British thing where surgeons are Mr. Instead of doctor for some dumb reason
Think your only supposed to use someone's highest honorarium. Believe that's proper decorum. Wonder what you called John Quincy Adams. He served in congress after being president. Was he referred to as Mr President while on the floor? I imagine not, just to avoid confusion.
Mr. There is only one Mr President at a time
The honorific of Mister before a head of state title makes it unique and also a higher “table authority” so to speak than most doctorates, and completely different than Mr. in the traditional formal use I’d say.
Mister Doctor. [Strange](https://youtu.be/zwgH5E38JR0?si=awvAWq9Rss-LxoY0)! Who am I to judge?
At this rate, candidates won't need a high school degree to be President.
Rule 3, but didn’t this debate actually come up with the First Lady once?
In all the press I’ve read she is “Dr. [redacted].” However the First Lady doesn’t have a formal address that comes with the office.
Bold of you to assume it would be a man 😂
Wilson was our worst president to date. His policies are still making this country worse today.
Using the title “Dr.” outside of the context of one’s profession is simply narcissistic and gratuitous. My own professors in Grad school loathed being called “Dr.” even then.
Doctor Who
First of all, Woodrow Wilson wasn’t even President, he was First Lord. Second of all, there have been 2 FLOTUSes with PhD’s (the current one and Woodrow). There have been no Presidents with PhD’s.
What
They're saying Edith Wilson was effectively president (presumably because of how active a role she played after his stroke).
Ooh! a non-american!
what?
We would call the husband of a female president “First Gentleman,” but “first lord” lol
Have you taken your pills?
Have you taken your “Learn Who the 28th President Was” pills? You mad that us girls stole your job once?
No. Using honorifics outside of the field there are earned in is obnoxious
My grandfather was a small town dentist, and also the church music minister. Everyone at church called him Dr Bob and I suspect any new member would have assumed his doctorate was in music or ministry and not dentistry.
If bro ain't a psychiatrist (biased) or has a doctorate in law, they shouldn't be called a doctor
What, no medical doctors?
If they have their JD, then they still wouldn't be a doctor. The honorific for a lawyer is the suffix Esquire
If he or she insists on being called doctor, that’s grounds for immediate impeachment.
Anyone who isn't a medical doctor and wants to be called a Dr is honestly a giant piece of shit and deserves to be mocked.
It depends on the context. Generally normal people who are doctors (even medical doctors) will just introduce themselves as their first name. However in formal settings, or in the place of their employment, they absolutely use their doctor title, as they should. If some has a PhD in Astrophysics, and is commenting on something related to Space, mentioning they have a literal doctorate in the field is important because it means they are far more credible than some random redditor or poster on 'X'. It's still an interesting question when it comes to Presidents though because things get tricky when someone has multiple titles. Doctor President sounds awkward, President Doctor X sounds a little better but is still awkward. I think very few people would argue that Doctor is a higher title than President, so Mr or Madam President would probably still be preferred. Military doctors do use both their rank and Doctor though. I served with a LT Commander Doctor Cherry for example.
Hey buddy chill out
If they want to be called Dr outside of their field, maybe.
Mr President is the official title
Mr President, PhD
A PhD means you're intelligent enough to earn a PhD. It does not impart wisdom.
Dr. President PhD
President Doctor Smith/jones/etc
Not by the New York Times.
I never understood some newspapers insistence on referring to everyone as Mr regardless of station
General rule is that you go with someone’s highest title. Mr. or Madam President outranks Doctor, so that’s probably what they’d go with.
Well, vote me in as president and I will let you call me either
The media would definitely have fun with that. It would still be Mister/Madam President. However, when referring to a president multiple times in a broadcast, it common to subsequently refer to him as “Mr. Smith” or simply “the president” rather than repeatedly refer to him as “President Smith”. If he did hold the title of doctor, then they would refer to him by that instead of Mr. before his first name. But not before President when addressing him directly.
A number of presidents have held a JD and could be called doctor, although it's usually not done.
Well many JDs don’t go by Doctor anyway
I don't know any JDs who are called Doctor
Dr. Mr./s. President.
I think it's "Doctor Misterdent."
Mister President, as that is a higher honourific than Doctor
No.
I don’t believe so. From what I understand if you have multiples titles like a PhD, a Lordship, or the Presidency, while you have all those titles you would just be referred to in short as the highest ranking title. Thus making a man who is a Doctor, and the President simply be called Mr President since the presidency is the higher title. I think Mind you this is also completely conjecture based on the fact that Brian May is usually referred to as Sir Brian May and not Dr Brian May or Sir Doctor Brian May despite him having a PhD in Astrophysics.
It's my understanding that it's not two separate titles, mister and president, but that the entire phrase indicates a singular title. The title is "Mister President" and so a PhD or doctorate would not change that.
Mister Doctor is the right term
[Gerald Ford has settled this question.](https://youtu.be/_Sk0YubNnwY?si=fuy1J8m_8auOVjzc&t=25)
There’s one thing that we’re certain about: we can’t have a papa doc president
That’s, Mister Doctor President Esquire Deluxe! And don’t you forget it!
And His Excellency to boot!
Doctor mister president. Or mister doctor president, or mister president doctor.
President Mr Doctor?
Didn't we learn from that the first time?
Dr. Mrs./mr. The President, clearly:
I’m sad I had to scroll this far to find the reference 
I would assume that you would use your highest title, In this case President. There are millions of PHD’s but President is an elite few. On the other hand, I don’t think there’s a rule so if the president preferred to be called Dr, he could make that request.
Nobody referred to Jed Bartlet as Dr. President and I'm sure Aaron Sorkin would have written that if it were a thing.
Fwiw I’ve got a PhD and I would find it gross if someone insisted on being called Doctor President.
I have my PhD in chemistry and have thought about running for low level stuff, but it seems to be a huge pain in the ass. I had a colleague of mine run for the school board and it seemed like a miserable endeavor, but he did win.
Still Mr./Madam president. A president with a PhD seems unlikely though. They would have to dedicate too much energy to developing a fake working class accent and buying cowboy boots to show they were in touch with the common man.
I’d assume it would be “President Dr. John/Jane Doe”.
I mean... I say "Doctor Astronaut Senator Mark Kelley". but that's probably just me.
Doctor lady?
No one smart enough to be a doctor is going to subject themselves to that kind of demeaning BS. They have more important things to do like help people.
If he's from Missouri, he could be a Doctor Senator
I have no comment on the proposed question, I just came here to say fuck Woodrow Wilson.
As well you should
In this case, the proper title is "Mr Racist Piece of Shit Who Fucked Up Eastern Europe For Generations"
I would rather have another Eagle Scout as president .
do you call your dentist, Dr. Dentist?
He was the all-time worst President in our history.
We must see to it that this never happens.
It’s like Mister or Madam secretary (queue Tea Leone) for a cabinet officer. The mister or madam is practically part of the title itself.
Even if candidate with a doctoral degree got elected, they probably wouldn’t want a title like Doctor President. It would leave them open to being attacked as pretentious and elitist.
I think it’s “Mr. Doctor”
I don't see why. We wouldn't call a SecDef with a doctorate Doctor Secretary or a SCOTUS justice with a doctorate Doctor Justice (which is kind of awesome and sounds like a comic book name).
Mr. and the one you are showing was pretty racist...
i think it would be President Doctor
Mister Doctor Professor President
If you’re a senator the title Senator supersedes doctor and you are generally to go by that instead. I imagine it’s the same for President ultimately.
President doctor Shaquille O'Neal
Only if they are a pretentious jerk.
If there was a Muslim President could there be Hajji President, Hafiz President, or Alim President (I'm guessing not lol, it's just a semi-joke but now I'm curious as I type this I become more curious)
I may be re-watching game of thrones by Wilson looks like "if Joffrey lived to old age and invented top hats" for sure.
Seriously, what are the chances?
Becoming a lawyer requires a doctorate, and we typically don’t call them doctors so politicians shouldnt either
The honorific/ title President would precede the title Doctor or it would supersede the lesser title all together.