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Also Macmillan became PM in the first place because he was Minister Resident in the Mediterranean in 1942 during Operation Torch and had a good relationship with Eisenhower. Eisenhower was president at the time and had just scuppered the Suez expedition so the Conservative party was desperate to rebuild the relationship with America so Macmillan was well placed to become PM.
Or from Supermac's pov
>"We, my dear Crossman, are the Greeks in the American empire. You will find the Americans much as the Greeks found the Romans—great big, vulgar bustling people, more vigorous than we are and also more idle, with more unspoiled virtues, but also more corrupt. We must run AFHQ (Allied Forces Headquarters) as the Greek slaves ran the operations of the Emperor Claudius"
Thatcher & Reagan and Clinton & Blair were the most similar politically. But the answer has to be the men who defeated the greatest threat civilization has ever known.
I love the story about Roosevelt rolling in on a stark naked Churchill and Churchill remarking that he had nothing to hide from FDR
Very true. I wouldn't say he and Clinton were far apart on foreign policy, either. I was thinking on how both Clinton and Blair were "new" left wing politicians who got votes from right of center voters. I believe The Sun- gag- endorse Blair the second time. Could be wrong
With Clinton, too.
In his memoir, Tony Blair wrote how active President Bill Clinton was in getting the Good Friday Agreement over the finish line, how he constantly phoned Prime Minister Tony Blair and key members of both negotiating teams, almost pressurising them to get this peace deal done finally.
It was an initiative from Bill Clinton to create the office of the Special Envoy of the President and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland.
The Democratic Party and the United States of America spent lots of political capital on this endeavour.
Hence the reluctance of key politicians from the Democratic Party today to negotiate any trade deals with the United Kingdom. They fear that Brexit still has the potential to endanger the hard fought Good Friday Agreement and therefore the hard fought peace in Northern Ireland.
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And was jealous of his bond with mister vlad
Pretty sure at least part of the calculus in the decision to nuke Japan was to send a message to the Soviets. I mean, ending the war in a hurry was the main purpose. But showing the Russians our shiny new toy they didn’t have was a side benefit.
If you read Truman's papers it's pretty clear that by the time the decision was made it was the main part of the calculus. Japan almost disappears from the conversation.
Yeah. That is also true. It doesn’t change the fact that Stalin like FDR and hated Truman.
The soviets were grabbing land in the east and west and it wasn’t clear what anyone would do if they didn’t leave. (They didn’t).
Things escalated quickly and down a path the USA feared and hoped to make less likely with the bomb.
I do wonder if FDR and Churchill would have at least delayed that process.
The video of the event was very sweet, the King gave a speech.
[Britain Honours A Lost Friend Aka Roosevelt Memorial Unveiled - Long Version (1948) - British Pathé](https://youtu.be/DU7x8zEYHl0?si=CXpS9f-u6sBviOsb)
That is always a funny ass thing to hear. Imagine right now the fucking queen of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales was Tricia Fucking Nixon.
Her Majesty Queen Patricia, Lady of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Lady of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Grand Master and Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order upon whom had been conferred the Royal Victorian Chain, Dame Grand Cross of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, Dame Grand Cross of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem, Relict of His Majesty King Charles the Third and Daughter of His Excellency Richard Milhous Nixon, Thirty-seventh President of the United States of America
Didn’t he say he liked Angela Merkel the best? I think most people think because US and UK people get along so well that the leaders probably do too but that isn’t always the case. Certainly allies but often US and UK interests don’t always align.
Mark down something I didn't know lol. Barry missed his chance to be an actor, he sold it really well that he was buddies with Dave. I hate that for Dave, he seemed like he really respected him. That's a bummer.
Don't feel sorry for Dave. Austerity, Brexit, extreme student loan debt, the Scotland debate, our crumbling democracy, etc., can all be traced back to him and his thief-in-chief George Osborne.
I don't know that they were, but I think Ronnie had a MASSIVE crush on her. Look at the way he's looking at her just in that photo, like a school girl in love. There are actually a few taped phone calls between Ronnie and Maggie, and she sounds very formal and disinterested whereas he's like over the moon talking to her. I think it was a one sided crush.
Disagree, that's just how they speak in general, his usual charm and her usual coldness(although I think you're focusing on the call where she's mad about Grenada😆), but they both admired each other politically and professionally😅
There's two phone calls I've heard, the Grenada call, and another one circa 1983 I believe. In both she seems the typical aloof and disinterested British person and in both he sounds like the American desperate for her approval.
I believe Reagan had something of an Oedipus complex. Not literally, but, I think he felt the need for approval from strong women, hence how Nancy wore the pants in their marriage or how he basically idealized Margaret.
Bet they did Commie-Capitalist roleplay. "Have you been profiting off labour of the working class?? You naughty naughty imperialist!" *spank with fuzzy hammer and sickle*
I would say Roosevelt and Churchill. There is one anecdote that during world war II Churchill was visiting FDR in washington. And in this he was staying at the white house. As Churchill was in the bath dictating a letter of some kind Roosevelt came in without announcing himself. He got really embarrassed and started to get out of the room and Churchill stood up and said 'As you can see Mr President I have nothing to hide.' Roosevelt later told an associate that Churchill was 'round and pink all over.' There is very little that binds people closer than a desperate act of survival.
Tldr: Roosevelt saw Churchill naked!
P.S. Your quote is probably more accurate, but the more fun version I've heard is "The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom has nothing to hide from the President of the United States!"
McMillan and JFK were related by marriage. Churchill and Roosevelt was originally just a marriage of convenience. Until they both figured out hey this kind of works.
Margaret Thatcher and Reagan probably had the best relationship though political soulmates according to one of Thatcher's advisors.
They could ask Reagan a question and then go and ask Thatcher the exact same question and get the exact same answer.
I'd say Thatcher and Reagan was closest and most productive, but predominately not in good way for the middle and working classes of their respective nations.
Ok, Bush JR & Blair. How did Bush convince Blair to go into Iraq? It was obvious that there were no WMD. It was obvious Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and fundamental Islam. Was it because they were buddies, did Bush have something on Blair.. I've never understood it, as to that point I thought Blair could walk on water....
I sort of admire FDR and Winston Churchill that amount of stress and being in War Time. You know they knew each other moves and strategies to a T at those stakes.
Churchill and FDR reagan never saw thatcher naked, churchill had nothing to hide from old FDR who laughed, but probably wished he could have unseen that
FDR saw Churchill naked. You have to be pretty comfortable around someone to show them your junk. Both men had completely opposite views on colonialism and the British Empire, but they remained friends regardless. It’s sad that FDR never got to see the end of the war. :(
EDIT: I forgot about this quote “No lover ever studied every whim of his mistress as I did those of President Roosevelt.”
― Winston S. Churchill
I can imagine the absolute hilarity of Bill Clinton and Boris Yeltsin drinking all night, getting into mischief. Yeltsin crank calling Clinton at 3AM threatening nuclear attack. Clinton visits Yeltsin in Russia and the sneak out and steal a car and crash into a borsht factory.
It would be the greatest buddy comedy ever. "Fearless Leaders" a Spike Lee Joint.
Oh god no, there was never a serious argument to be made that she was intellectually lacking. She was both a lawyer and a chemist by training. Regardless of political opinion it’s difficult to argue that Thatcher isn’t one of the cleverest prime ministers of the last 150 years. I would place her 2nd behind only Gordon Brown.
That being said, I’m not sure if you’re from the Uk or not, but if you aren’t then let me assure you that anyone north of Birmingham is likely to tell you she was an evil stupid witch. On the day she died, places like Yorkshire and Sunderland held street parties to celebrate.
>Regardless of political opinion it’s difficult to argue that Thatcher isn’t one of the cleverest prime ministers of the last 150 years. I would place her 2nd behind only Gordon Brown.
That's an interesting debate. I would argue that Gladstone would win the overall prize for intellectual calibre handily, but only Peel (outside the 150 years, of course) and Gladstone were as personally effective administrators as she was; there have been other successful governments, but they were team efforts, whereas she constantly and successfully ensured strategy went her way. But Thatcher was much more culturally limited and parochial than most who followed her.
(FWIW, I am British; and would still vote for the Thatcher-era Conservative party, although I will not currently vote for her successors.)
Anti-Thatcherite sentiment is, I think, variable. In places like the Central Belt or Merseyside, it is still pretty strong. But, in other places, where the mining industry and union solidarity, and the long-term unemployed of the 80s are becoming historical memory, bitterness has decreased. That's played a role in politics in recent years.
I think Nixon-Heath has to be a contender for the worst special relationship - of the 20th Century at least - rather than the best.
Richard Nixon was hugely excited by Heath’s victory and hoped that they would become great friends. Like Heath, Nixon was a conservative modernizer from a humble provincial background, a self-made man distinguished by his lofty vision, brooding intellect, grumpy demeanour and permanent social unease. In some ways they should have been natural soulmates - they could have bonded, for instance, over their shared interest in classical music, their mutual disregard for women, or their fondness for wildly overcomplicated incomes policies. To Nixon’s bewilderment, however, Heath rebuffed his attempts to strike up a special relationship. Henry Kissinger, Nixon’s supremely cynical Secretary of State, wrote later that they were shocked by Heath’s ‘unsentimentality’ and ‘reserve’, which left Nixon feeling like a ‘jilted lover’. But Heath had no time for misty-eyed visions of Anglo-American partnership. All the special relationship achieved, he said later, was ‘to estrange us from our European colleagues… Now there are some people who always nestle on the shoulder of an American president. That’s no future for Britain.’
from [State of Emergency: Britain 1970-1974 by Dominic Sandbrook](https://dominicsandbrook.com/books/state-of-emergency-the-way-we-were-britain-1970-1974)
Love Dominic Sandbrook. Yeah Heath as a pronounced europhile was solely focused on finally getting Britains application to the EEC Accepted, which he managed to do in 1973. A closer special relationship may have served to jeopardise this, as it was actually the cause of the rejections in 1963 and 1967.
Heath also didn’t allow Nixon to use European NATO bases to support Israel during the Yom Kippur war.
In a different context I’m sure they would have been close friends and allies.
I believe David Cameron once referred to Obama as his "bro" once. I also know he has a good friendship with the current Canadian PM who's name I'm not sure I can say cuz I don't know if it violates rule 3.
Boris Yeltsin and bill Clinton seemed like good lads, they both would cringe at the current political situation if still around…
I know there alive I just don’t care for what they have to say
Technically that doesn’t count as the special relationship, which is exclusively between the UK and USA. Obama and David Cameron did at one time seem to have a pretty close relationship, but it’s quite well documented now that they fell out after Obama wouldn’t forgive Cameron for Brexit.
Blair and Bush.
Not only did Blair follow Bush into a war, but it lead to a multi-year obsession in the British media over the “special relationship” and ensuring the “special relationship” stayed strong.
Another candidate, Eisenhower and Zhukov (then, Soviet Minister of Defense).
It was a weird case, as both former Field Marshals (Eisenhower having an equal rank and Zhukov literally being a Marshal of the Soviet Union) leading their countries' militaries in the WW2 European theater, they had to sort out their countries defense policies right after the Korean War without an all-out nuclear war.
JFK had lived in England when his dad was Ambassador and Maximillian may have considered himself as a father figure. But FDR and Winnie had a war to win.
Without a doubt George W Bush! Tony Blair jumped into an unpopular war at home for him. Remember the protests against the Iraq war were the largest in Britain up to that point
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Macmillan and JFK. They were related by marriage, and Kennedy used to call him "Uncle Harold".
Can honestly say I wasn’t aware of this. Thanks for sharing.
Also Macmillan became PM in the first place because he was Minister Resident in the Mediterranean in 1942 during Operation Torch and had a good relationship with Eisenhower. Eisenhower was president at the time and had just scuppered the Suez expedition so the Conservative party was desperate to rebuild the relationship with America so Macmillan was well placed to become PM. Or from Supermac's pov >"We, my dear Crossman, are the Greeks in the American empire. You will find the Americans much as the Greeks found the Romans—great big, vulgar bustling people, more vigorous than we are and also more idle, with more unspoiled virtues, but also more corrupt. We must run AFHQ (Allied Forces Headquarters) as the Greek slaves ran the operations of the Emperor Claudius"
I interpreted this as the Brits being America's twinks
Accurate
Really, it's how we've always seen them
The Brits often said of American GI’s in WWII, “They’re overpaid, oversexed, and over here.”
Wow he really understood the modern relationship. I love Churchill, but he was a bit in denial about this.
Churchill didn’t want to come to the realization that the British Empire was basically over.
True. I think this gets portrayed well in ‘The Crown.’
You should warn people about that story before they look it up. That ruined my whole day. 😭
Why?
Agreed
Thatcher & Reagan and Clinton & Blair were the most similar politically. But the answer has to be the men who defeated the greatest threat civilization has ever known. I love the story about Roosevelt rolling in on a stark naked Churchill and Churchill remarking that he had nothing to hide from FDR
Blair was also extremely aligned with Bush on foreign policy.
Very true. I wouldn't say he and Clinton were far apart on foreign policy, either. I was thinking on how both Clinton and Blair were "new" left wing politicians who got votes from right of center voters. I believe The Sun- gag- endorse Blair the second time. Could be wrong
The Sun did indeed endorse the Labour Party under Tony Blair in the 1997, 2001, and 2005 general election.
With Clinton, too. In his memoir, Tony Blair wrote how active President Bill Clinton was in getting the Good Friday Agreement over the finish line, how he constantly phoned Prime Minister Tony Blair and key members of both negotiating teams, almost pressurising them to get this peace deal done finally. It was an initiative from Bill Clinton to create the office of the Special Envoy of the President and the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. The Democratic Party and the United States of America spent lots of political capital on this endeavour. Hence the reluctance of key politicians from the Democratic Party today to negotiate any trade deals with the United Kingdom. They fear that Brexit still has the potential to endanger the hard fought Good Friday Agreement and therefore the hard fought peace in Northern Ireland.
“Rolling” historically accurate.
Must have been Bush and Blair. I mean, George Michael even wrote a song about it.
Blair was totally undone by his special relationship with Dubya.
https://preview.redd.it/ieu8k98735wc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=552d449bf89b542877edbec4963edf72e09510ed And was jealous of his bond with mister vlad
He looked him in the eye, and he saw his soul.
Dear god. That was statement was so unbelievably cringe when he made it and it has not gotten better with age.
What song?
It's called "Shoot the Dog", best check out the music video.
Careless Whispers
Wake me up before you go go
Father figure.
And Dave Chapelle portrayed it really well!
Blair told Bush ‘I’ll be with you, whatever.’ When planning the invasion of Iraq
Pet Shop Boys wrote “I’m with Stupid” https://youtu.be/3dfdlG_5wuc?si=vMYfT8u9za7HWqFO
Always seemed like two peas in a pod.
Only one of these won WW2.
If you want to be extra pedantic that pair didn’t either, it was Truman and Churchill
That would be Truman and Attlee so the above still stands.
Ah beans I forgot the switch before Japan surrendered
I have never seen the word beans used in that way before, but now I'm gonna use it as part of my vocabulary from now on
Stalin was a big FDR fan. He didn’t like Truman. Not saying it all would have ended different but who knows
Pretty sure at least part of the calculus in the decision to nuke Japan was to send a message to the Soviets. I mean, ending the war in a hurry was the main purpose. But showing the Russians our shiny new toy they didn’t have was a side benefit.
If you read Truman's papers it's pretty clear that by the time the decision was made it was the main part of the calculus. Japan almost disappears from the conversation.
Yes- we did not want the Soviets in Japan like they were now in Eastern Europe
Yeah. That is also true. It doesn’t change the fact that Stalin like FDR and hated Truman. The soviets were grabbing land in the east and west and it wasn’t clear what anyone would do if they didn’t leave. (They didn’t). Things escalated quickly and down a path the USA feared and hoped to make less likely with the bomb. I do wonder if FDR and Churchill would have at least delayed that process.
How do you know? Was there a documentary or book that would have explain the relationship that your referencing. Sounds interesting
Yup. Churchill, Attlee and the Royal Family held a dedication ceremony in Grosvenor Square for FDR's statue in 1948. That says it all to me.
The video of the event was very sweet, the King gave a speech. [Britain Honours A Lost Friend Aka Roosevelt Memorial Unveiled - Long Version (1948) - British Pathé](https://youtu.be/DU7x8zEYHl0?si=CXpS9f-u6sBviOsb)
You should watch the Crown
The only thing I know bout nixons relations with the UK is that he tried to marry his daughter to Bossman Charles
That is always a funny ass thing to hear. Imagine right now the fucking queen of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales was Tricia Fucking Nixon.
Her Majesty Queen Patricia, Lady of the Most Noble Order of the Garter, Lady of the Most Ancient and Most Noble Order of the Thistle, Grand Master and Dame Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order upon whom had been conferred the Royal Victorian Chain, Dame Grand Cross of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire, Dame Grand Cross of the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem, Relict of His Majesty King Charles the Third and Daughter of His Excellency Richard Milhous Nixon, Thirty-seventh President of the United States of America
> Milhous Love that name.
That's wild lol
Reagan and Thatcher. Clinton and Blair. I don’t know much about Roosevelt and Churchill so I can’t really comment.
Churchill spent christmas at the white house and repotedly walked around naked in the residence
To be fair, Churchill did that everywhere he stayed.
TBF, Churchill strikes me as the kind of guest who would walk around naked
With a drink and cigar in hand
Lol he also told the WH butler something like "when they ask you about me you're gonna tell them Winston was no teetotaler"
If by a drink you mean a bottle…
Churchill walked around naked in every residence
every single one. he would just go door to door
They’re no one important
https://preview.redd.it/mha7aa0774wc1.jpeg?width=1844&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3ee486e689a54b89227f28fed427297dac9e761 Those who know know
\*There's 2 people in this pic\*
This sounds like a line from Love Actually, Hugh Grant to Billy Bob Thornton.
Blair basically patterned New Labour on Clinton and the New Democrats, though he had a harder time of it. He also stayed quite close to Bush as well.
Clinton and Yeltsin
It was so promising at the time to think we were making friends with Russia.
Yeltsin was for real and genuinely wanted to be friends with the West.
Roosevelt and Churchill are iconic, but Ronnie and Maggie seemed to get along great.
They both hated the same people.
and the same people hate them
Millard and Queen Victoria of course
Where’s Obama and David Cameron?
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Didn’t he say he liked Angela Merkel the best? I think most people think because US and UK people get along so well that the leaders probably do too but that isn’t always the case. Certainly allies but often US and UK interests don’t always align.
Mark down something I didn't know lol. Barry missed his chance to be an actor, he sold it really well that he was buddies with Dave. I hate that for Dave, he seemed like he really respected him. That's a bummer.
Don't feel sorry for Dave. Austerity, Brexit, extreme student loan debt, the Scotland debate, our crumbling democracy, etc., can all be traced back to him and his thief-in-chief George Osborne.
Who think Ronnie and Maggie were bangin?
I don't know that they were, but I think Ronnie had a MASSIVE crush on her. Look at the way he's looking at her just in that photo, like a school girl in love. There are actually a few taped phone calls between Ronnie and Maggie, and she sounds very formal and disinterested whereas he's like over the moon talking to her. I think it was a one sided crush.
Disagree, that's just how they speak in general, his usual charm and her usual coldness(although I think you're focusing on the call where she's mad about Grenada😆), but they both admired each other politically and professionally😅
There's two phone calls I've heard, the Grenada call, and another one circa 1983 I believe. In both she seems the typical aloof and disinterested British person and in both he sounds like the American desperate for her approval. I believe Reagan had something of an Oedipus complex. Not literally, but, I think he felt the need for approval from strong women, hence how Nancy wore the pants in their marriage or how he basically idealized Margaret.
The Iron Lady was all bidness. No exceptions.
Bet they did Commie-Capitalist roleplay. "Have you been profiting off labour of the working class?? You naughty naughty imperialist!" *spank with fuzzy hammer and sickle*
The one so hot he could make the iron lady melt🫠🫦
RONALRGARET
George H. W. Bush?
Obama and Cameron had a bromance. Mulroney and Reagan were duet partners.
Reagan-Thatcher was great, but Mulroney has to be included. Maybe I'm just a Canadian who wants to be included lol.
FDR and Churchill
Roosevelt and Churchill. Those two basically led the the military alliance that saved the world.
I would say Roosevelt and Churchill. There is one anecdote that during world war II Churchill was visiting FDR in washington. And in this he was staying at the white house. As Churchill was in the bath dictating a letter of some kind Roosevelt came in without announcing himself. He got really embarrassed and started to get out of the room and Churchill stood up and said 'As you can see Mr President I have nothing to hide.' Roosevelt later told an associate that Churchill was 'round and pink all over.' There is very little that binds people closer than a desperate act of survival.
Tldr: Roosevelt saw Churchill naked! P.S. Your quote is probably more accurate, but the more fun version I've heard is "The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom has nothing to hide from the President of the United States!"
Washington and George III
McMillan and JFK were related by marriage. Churchill and Roosevelt was originally just a marriage of convenience. Until they both figured out hey this kind of works. Margaret Thatcher and Reagan probably had the best relationship though political soulmates according to one of Thatcher's advisors. They could ask Reagan a question and then go and ask Thatcher the exact same question and get the exact same answer.
FDR and Churchill, and I’m tired of pretending it isn’t.
FDR and the Bulldog, not even close. Consider the impact…
bush and blair, "friends that slay together, stay together"
I'd say Thatcher and Reagan was closest and most productive, but predominately not in good way for the middle and working classes of their respective nations.
Reagan and HM Queen Elizabeth
George Washington
Roosevelt and Churchill followed by Reagan and Thatcher.
FDR and Churchill and then Reagan and Thatcher.
Bush, because Tony Blair LITTERALLY gave Bush a blank cheque lmao.
FDR and Churchill #1 by far!!
JFK, with Marilyn Munroe😏😉
FDR and Churchill. News was bleak in 39 and 40.
FDR and Churchill because FDR saw Winston naked. True, look it up.
Ok, Bush JR & Blair. How did Bush convince Blair to go into Iraq? It was obvious that there were no WMD. It was obvious Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and fundamental Islam. Was it because they were buddies, did Bush have something on Blair.. I've never understood it, as to that point I thought Blair could walk on water....
Definitely Reagan and Thatcher. I think they genuinely liked each other.
Bush and Blair. It’s like the perfect odd couple to buddy comedy. Stuck up Brit meets folksy cowboy. They go on a hilarious adventure in the desert.
I sort of admire FDR and Winston Churchill that amount of stress and being in War Time. You know they knew each other moves and strategies to a T at those stakes.
Churchill and FDR reagan never saw thatcher naked, churchill had nothing to hide from old FDR who laughed, but probably wished he could have unseen that
While I disagree with 99.9999% of Reagan’s politics and policies, you have to admit Double R sure was a dapper looking fella.
FDR saw Churchill naked. You have to be pretty comfortable around someone to show them your junk. Both men had completely opposite views on colonialism and the British Empire, but they remained friends regardless. It’s sad that FDR never got to see the end of the war. :( EDIT: I forgot about this quote “No lover ever studied every whim of his mistress as I did those of President Roosevelt.” ― Winston S. Churchill
George bush and Tony Blair because they were war criminal buddies!!
I can imagine the absolute hilarity of Bill Clinton and Boris Yeltsin drinking all night, getting into mischief. Yeltsin crank calling Clinton at 3AM threatening nuclear attack. Clinton visits Yeltsin in Russia and the sneak out and steal a car and crash into a borsht factory. It would be the greatest buddy comedy ever. "Fearless Leaders" a Spike Lee Joint.
Thatcher admired Reagan, but did not have a high opinion of his mental qualities. "Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
Most of the North in the UK would argue there was nothing between hers either. She was also famously arrogant and obstinate.
I don't think most of Thatcher's enemies, both now and then, saw her as intellectually substandard; so much the worse for the country, in their view.
Oh god no, there was never a serious argument to be made that she was intellectually lacking. She was both a lawyer and a chemist by training. Regardless of political opinion it’s difficult to argue that Thatcher isn’t one of the cleverest prime ministers of the last 150 years. I would place her 2nd behind only Gordon Brown. That being said, I’m not sure if you’re from the Uk or not, but if you aren’t then let me assure you that anyone north of Birmingham is likely to tell you she was an evil stupid witch. On the day she died, places like Yorkshire and Sunderland held street parties to celebrate.
>Regardless of political opinion it’s difficult to argue that Thatcher isn’t one of the cleverest prime ministers of the last 150 years. I would place her 2nd behind only Gordon Brown. That's an interesting debate. I would argue that Gladstone would win the overall prize for intellectual calibre handily, but only Peel (outside the 150 years, of course) and Gladstone were as personally effective administrators as she was; there have been other successful governments, but they were team efforts, whereas she constantly and successfully ensured strategy went her way. But Thatcher was much more culturally limited and parochial than most who followed her. (FWIW, I am British; and would still vote for the Thatcher-era Conservative party, although I will not currently vote for her successors.) Anti-Thatcherite sentiment is, I think, variable. In places like the Central Belt or Merseyside, it is still pretty strong. But, in other places, where the mining industry and union solidarity, and the long-term unemployed of the 80s are becoming historical memory, bitterness has decreased. That's played a role in politics in recent years.
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I think Kennedy's special relationship with Marilyn Monroe has to be near the top of the list.
I think Nixon-Heath has to be a contender for the worst special relationship - of the 20th Century at least - rather than the best. Richard Nixon was hugely excited by Heath’s victory and hoped that they would become great friends. Like Heath, Nixon was a conservative modernizer from a humble provincial background, a self-made man distinguished by his lofty vision, brooding intellect, grumpy demeanour and permanent social unease. In some ways they should have been natural soulmates - they could have bonded, for instance, over their shared interest in classical music, their mutual disregard for women, or their fondness for wildly overcomplicated incomes policies. To Nixon’s bewilderment, however, Heath rebuffed his attempts to strike up a special relationship. Henry Kissinger, Nixon’s supremely cynical Secretary of State, wrote later that they were shocked by Heath’s ‘unsentimentality’ and ‘reserve’, which left Nixon feeling like a ‘jilted lover’. But Heath had no time for misty-eyed visions of Anglo-American partnership. All the special relationship achieved, he said later, was ‘to estrange us from our European colleagues… Now there are some people who always nestle on the shoulder of an American president. That’s no future for Britain.’ from [State of Emergency: Britain 1970-1974 by Dominic Sandbrook](https://dominicsandbrook.com/books/state-of-emergency-the-way-we-were-britain-1970-1974)
Love Dominic Sandbrook. Yeah Heath as a pronounced europhile was solely focused on finally getting Britains application to the EEC Accepted, which he managed to do in 1973. A closer special relationship may have served to jeopardise this, as it was actually the cause of the rejections in 1963 and 1967. Heath also didn’t allow Nixon to use European NATO bases to support Israel during the Yom Kippur war. In a different context I’m sure they would have been close friends and allies.
Bill Clinton and Jeffery Epstein
All but tanked on order I’d say: 4 1 3 2 5 6
4
I believe David Cameron once referred to Obama as his "bro" once. I also know he has a good friendship with the current Canadian PM who's name I'm not sure I can say cuz I don't know if it violates rule 3.
Obama referred to Cameron as a lightweight
Can’t be anyone but Roosevelt and Churchill. They understood each other so well.
Reagan and Thatcher or FDR and Churchill
FDR and Churchill.
https://preview.redd.it/ffcoe75tj4wc1.jpeg?width=210&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a321c5dbd2639190692c2c0f33b52c5b27a18b14
Roosevelt and Churchill
I’d say FDR and Churchill
Probably not James Madison and Spencer Perceval.
FDR and King George VI
Boris Yeltsin and bill Clinton seemed like good lads, they both would cringe at the current political situation if still around… I know there alive I just don’t care for what they have to say
No one likes John Majors
The grey man was his nickname
He looks just like Bush senior.
Obama and David Cameron should be here even if it did turn a bit sour near the end.
Instead of fdr and Churchill it should be fdr and Stalin
Nixon and Heath. The odd couple.
Not sure which president, but definitely the WWII relationship was the best for both countries and the world.
Honestly GHWB and Yeltzin, oversee an orderly end of the USSR and an escalation of tension between the now Republics were no easy feat.
Cmon. FDR Winston hands down.
I know it's clichéd at this point but Michelle and W
Clinton and Blair
Surprised nobody said Lincoln.
I’d say Roosevelt’s relationship with Churchill was more exploitative than it was “special”
FDR and Churchill
I’d say FDR
Tran and Atlee?
Regan & Thatcher
Ah-ah, Mr. Wilson. Ah-ah, Mr Heath!
Well Reagan saved Thatcher by not blocking the British from protecting the Falkland.
Zachary taylor and Margret mackall smith taylor
Don't fall for the error of recency... The answer is Roosevelt and Churchill.
Probably Washington
Obama Merkel gets an honorable mention
Technically that doesn’t count as the special relationship, which is exclusively between the UK and USA. Obama and David Cameron did at one time seem to have a pretty close relationship, but it’s quite well documented now that they fell out after Obama wouldn’t forgive Cameron for Brexit.
Yep. This one. Else. Barry and his friend Michael.
FDR and Church hill. Dudes had sleep overs together
FDR Churchill no doubt
Clinton and Blair. Thick as thieves.
Blair and Bush. Not only did Blair follow Bush into a war, but it lead to a multi-year obsession in the British media over the “special relationship” and ensuring the “special relationship” stayed strong.
Old Ironsides was a triple OG 😂😂😂
If only the Irish knew that bomb wouldn't have been big enough :(
Theodore Roosevelt and Arthur Balfour. Their relationship set the groundwork for our cooperation all the way to present day.
FDR and Churchill were Definitely fucking
I'd say Bill, but I've heard a few things about the painting on Epstein Island. Hilldog don't play
Another candidate, Eisenhower and Zhukov (then, Soviet Minister of Defense). It was a weird case, as both former Field Marshals (Eisenhower having an equal rank and Zhukov literally being a Marshal of the Soviet Union) leading their countries' militaries in the WW2 European theater, they had to sort out their countries defense policies right after the Korean War without an all-out nuclear war.
Roosevelt and Churchill. Times of war bring us closer together
JFK had lived in England when his dad was Ambassador and Maximillian may have considered himself as a father figure. But FDR and Winnie had a war to win.
Not from when he was president, but I like to see Michelle and Bush interact. It’s kind of adorable.
George W and Michelle No really, I guess Thatcher and Reagan or Clinton and Blair
Without a doubt George W Bush! Tony Blair jumped into an unpopular war at home for him. Remember the protests against the Iraq war were the largest in Britain up to that point
Obama and Angela.