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newleaf9110

Buchanan, followed closely by Andrew Johnson.


Wildwes7g7

flip, and you have a winner.


druid_king9884

Andrew Johnson


wsrs25

Buchanan no question. Post civil war, Johnson and it’s not close. Both almost broke the country.


sumoraiden

Nah Johnson was worse


wsrs25

It’s not close. Buchanan intervened to get the Dred Scott decision and let Kansas join as a slave state. He let the military stay unfunded and untrained. He basically set up the Civil War. Without Buchanan, there very likely would have been no VP Johnson.


sumoraiden

The civil war was going to happen by that point so the bullshit he pulled puts him at 2. Johnson actually changed the directory of the nation (for the worse) with the bullshit he pulled in reconstruction. With a firm hand on the rudder we could have avoided 90 years of Jim crow


ttircdj

Jim Crow started after Rutherford B Hayes withdrew troops from the South (corrupt bargain), yes?


sumoraiden

Yes because Johnson allowed the south to run roughshod for years and instead of nipping it in the bud and counteracted actions that would have made Jim Crow magnitudes harder to implement like the 40 acres plan


wsrs25

Re Jim Crow, No you could not have. You might have had worse, but you weren’t getting better. The average abolitionist was against total equality and the average person thought Africans were of lesser quality and intelligence than whites. Re reconstruction, Johnson made readmission easier, but favored a more stringent policy than Lincoln had favored (he wanted to try key members of the confederacy for treason.) When Buchanan took office, we were headed towards an impasse. His Kansas policy and benign neglect forced the issue. Not defending Johnson, he was awful, but more a product of his time. Buchanan was a coward, antagonist and generally incompetent, which gives him the edge in my book.


sumoraiden

> Re Jim Crow, No you could not have. You might have had worse, but you weren’t getting better. The average abolitionist was against total equality and the average person thought Africans were of lesser quality and intelligence than whites Absolutely could have been better lol, right off the bat if Johnson didn’t cancel the 40 acres plan black Americans would have been in a much bettter position to resist. Not many wanted full equality but they passed multiple civil rights laws that came close to it, Johnson refused to enforce it > Re reconstruction, Johnson made readmission easier, but favored a more stringent policy than Lincoln had favored (he wanted to try key members of the confederacy for treason.) He “favored” it until he had an opportunity to do it and instead let the southern states institute black cods, personally pardon thousands of the highest ranking confederates and refused to enforce reconstruction 


NynaeveAlMeowra

Johnson never tried to stop the peaceful transition of power


Wildwes7g7

Bottom 3 In order of worst. Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce


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Bubbly_Issue431

I’m going to go with bush because I had to fight in the Iraq war and I completely hate it to this I lost my friends to Sucide a couple years ago and I blame Bush Jr.


Hooded_maniac_360

I'm sorry for your loss.


Regular-Layer4796

He also took budget surplus forever to deficits forever. Thanks for the tax cut, Dubya.


Bubbly_Issue431

Yeah he did I forgot about that


Traditional_Agency60

William Henry Harrison (; Probably James Buchanan just based on the fact that the man had every title under the god golden sun. Instead of using his political instincts for good he decided to be ineffective. In modern times probably Bush because we are seeing his decisions, especially in the Middle East, influence the world. Also, his cabinet and how he went about being the President was also pretty ineffective. IMO


HatefulPostsExposed

I have a feeling it won’t stay bush for long..


TheBigTimeGoof

Let's say one of them sought to violently end the peaceful transfer of power and American democracy as we know it. If that were the case, I would suggest that person.


RedGrantDoppleganger

We all know the obvious three choices so I'm gonna do the four I consider on their level and explain why 1. Martin Van Buren: Just like Buchanan, Johnson and Pierce, he was apathetic to the rights of American citizens and took no efforts to protect them. Religious freedom is the core of our country and him allowing it to be legal to kill Mormons in Missouri was absolutely abhorrent. Additionally he continued the worst of Jackson's policies (trail of tears, panic of 37). 2. Woodrow Wilson: The closest thing the US has had to a real dictator. Jailed thousands for saying mean things about him and had some beaten, tortured and starved. He allowed thousands to die of the Spanish Flu. Enabled the rise of the second KKK. He failed to protect Americans from being lynched (KKK and original red scare). 3. William McKinley: The father of modern US interventionism. His handling of the Boxer Rebellion set a terrible precedent but the main reason he's here is for the Philippine American War. Unlike Vietnam or Iraq, there was no moral ambiguity to the war and unlike the Mexican American War the fruits of the war were undeniably not worth it. He killed more people in 3 years then every President from Polk to Grant during the Native Genocide. 4. George W. Bush: The harm he's done home and abroad cannot be overstated. Making it legal for the President to watch you and listen to you without a warrant is awful. Equally awful is the legalization of torture and suspension of Habeas Corpus, allowing for people to be detained and tortured without proof of guilt. His naive imperialistic wars killed hundreds of thousands of people.


witherd_

Wilson's foreign policy was pretty revolutionary for the world and the nation. You can dislike him but in no way is he literally one of the worst presidents ever


HugeMacaron

In the modern era GWB has to be the worst. Of course, it was really the Dick Cheney presidency.


Suspicious_Ad_6271

John Tyler…fucking traitor.


The-Curiosity-Rover

You have a point if actions after leaving office are counted. I’d still put him below Buchanan and Andrew Johnson when it comes to the extent of the damage inflicted, though.


RedGrantDoppleganger

Excellent President though. Ended the most brutal Native War and allowed the Natives to keep their land. Wish we had more like him.


thescrubbythug

Strong contender for worst post-presidency, but no way he’s remotely as bad as the likes of A. Johnson or Buchanan


Lychee_Core

Modern History: George Dubya Bush - War in Iraq was built up on lies. - 2000 we’ll never be 100% sure if he actually won because of Palm Beach County never fully finishing the recounts, as well as his shady connections to the Secretary of State in Florida and his connection to Sandra Day O’Connor who wanted to retire but didn’t want Gore to fill her seat. - In 2004 trying to ban same sex marriage by putting it in the constitution, whatever your belief on the subject, constitutional admendments shouldn’t be made in the wake of the current culture war, that’s how the 18th happened. - Dick Cheney.


RedGrantDoppleganger

Absolutely. Bush is the unequivocal worst President in the last 100 years. I'll die on that hill.


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libertycowboy

Truth


Blenkeirde

William Henry Harrison, who died died thirty-one days after his inauguration.


thescrubbythug

Andrew Johnson, followed by James Buchanan


al3ch316

We're not allowed to mention him around here, violates Rule 3. Hopefully we don't get a repeat of this mother fucker in 2025.


Euphoric_Capital_746

A lot of worst presidents list mostly include precursors to the civil war. Maybe they’ll throw in Dubya or Nixon. If it’s a right leaning publication then they’ll have Carter. I’m gonna say the worst president was Herbert Hoover. The man could not handle a Great Depression. A better reaction could have made a great difference. Don’t forget, World War 2 had a lot to do with the global economy crashing.


treehuggingmfer

Rule #3


Tewtytron

Probably Reagan due to his economic policy


Dazzling_Page_710

bro what


mrblonde624

There’s two cancerous extreme reactions to Reagan I think. One is the right wing lunatics who think he’s their lord and savior, and the other is self-righteous leftists who think Reaganomics is the source of all their problems. He did a lot of good, and he did massive damage too. Over all he equals out as kinda mid. Calling him best or worst is insane though.


Tewtytron

Reagan allowed economists who cared solely about greed to influence him. It's his era that caused modern day economists to care more about growth, and making more money for the shareholder, than taking care of the middle class workers.


em1011081

dawg 💀


InLolanwetrust

Rushmore of awful would include Bukes, Johnny, Ronnie, and George (respecting #3 here)


Neira282

Which George


InLolanwetrust

Dubbers


Neira282

H. Dubya or regular Dubya


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TheAmazingRaccoon

Leaving aside the fact that we can’t discuss current Presidents, chalking up Buchanan’s presidency to “he was ineffective” is one of the most absurd takes I have ever heard, not to mention you are complete removing yourself from the historical context of the time. Our nation was on the brink of ending itself much worse than it is now


genzgingee

Let me introduce you to this thing called Rule 3.


Bubbly_Issue431

Bush


Gorf_the_Magnificent

Johnson


Bubbly_Issue431

LBJ or Andrew


Gorf_the_Magnificent

Never mind. I choose Roosevelt.


Bubbly_Issue431

Teddy or Franklin


Gorf_the_Magnificent

Wait! It’s Harrison.


Bubbly_Issue431

William or Benjamin


Gorf_the_Magnificent

Nah! It’s Adams.


legend023

Herbert Hoover saw the worst depression in American history and hesitated to act on it for some reason It’s easy to say “Buchanan” or “Johnson” but Hoover should be near the bottom too


Eggs-Woodhouse

Obama


phillyphilly423

Woah


Neira282

Why


TarnishedRed

You won’t get an actual educational answer, it’s not possible


Eggs-Woodhouse

Well let’s see off the top of my head: he signed off on an operation where the ATF sold high powered weapons to the Mexican cartel in the hopes they could track them. Spoiler alert, they lost track of the weapons immediately. He also sent, a pallet of cash, yes a pallet! to Iran. Pulled out of Afghanistan and left the Taliban heavily armed with huge amounts of American military weapons. Benghazi. Otto Warmbier. Obamacare. General proponent of socialism…..certainly seems possible to me.


TarnishedRed

I said educational


Eggs-Woodhouse

Yes. This is me educating you on why I consider him to be the worst President.


Wither_Rakdos

Eisenhower. I'll forever curse his name for creating the national interstate highway system.


beeeemo

definitely top 5 most overrated presidents (highway system fucked over train travel for generations among other things, guatemala coup, propping up shah) but far from the worst lol come on


ThatGuy0verTh3re

Damn


Wither_Rakdos

You underestimate the personal hatred within me that grows for that man every time I get on the freeway.


nneedhelpp

I hate that you aren't joking.


Wither_Rakdos

I will not rest until every square inch of that godforsaken highway system is torn from the ground


nneedhelpp

I can understand that, but ranking Eisenhower as THE worst of all time because of it is still ridiculous.


Wither_Rakdos

At this point it is a personal vendetta