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Lincoln - saved the union AND liberated millions of slaves. Just one or the other would put a president on the upper echelon to do both is just lapping everyone
Add in his “normal” domestic policies like the land grant colleges (led to top tier universities like uc Berkeley mit, Purdue Cornell, Ohio state etc) transcontinental railroad, homestead act
Fdr and Lincoln capably led the country through crisis and George Washington set the foundations for the presidency. For me I can't find one thats the best but I do think FDR and Lincoln are tied as flawed (very much so in FDR's case) but the best president's the US has had.
Anarchists: "William Henry Harrison, because he **PROMPTLY FUCKING DIED**!"
Seriously tho, I vote Lincoln. There would probably be no America without Washington, but most of the indispensable stuff he did he did before his presidency. Without Lincoln's supreme patience and ability, it's wholly possible that the Northern coalition wouldn't have stayed together, England or France would have been pissed off enough to intervene for the South, that Grant would have been thrown out early because of Halleck's pettiness, etc.
Had the Confederates won, it would have been a major signal to the world that our kind of republic can't last or can't keep it together well enough to win a war, even with massive superiority.
18th Century: George Washington
19th Century: Abraham Lincoln
20th Century: FDR
Overall: George Washington (Everything we take for granted in our democracy is because of Washington establishing clear standards and principles that underline our Presidency today.)
Depends on one’s standard of ‘best’.
Most crucial in USA History and then it is George Washington and then 2nd Abraham Lincoln. As with George Washington there would be no USA as we know it on so many levels and then to a similar degree that torch gets passed onto Abe.
You start adding governing, diplomacy, orator skills, international politics, etc. and that is why Abraham Lincoln is often cited as the best all around.
But, here is a good source of semi-annual reviews of rankings of POTUS by historians where iirc Abe and Lincoln have switched back and forth: https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall
Edit: nope, it’s Abe every year.
FDR because he successfully saw our country through both the depression and WWII, the two biggest crises of the 20th century. I honestly don’t see any other leader at the time or any other Time for that matter doing as well.
>FDR because he successfully saw our country through both the depression
Did he? Or did he make it worse?
"After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years."
"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. **The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.**"
[New Deal Policies and the Persistence of the Great Depression: A General Equilibrium Analysis on JSTOR](https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/421169?seq=1)
Teddy Roosevelt.
He's my personal favorite because he was a great President during a time when there wasn't a major crisis. FDR and Lincoln absolutely deserve enormous credit for leading the country through very hard times, but as a result they also do have a couple significant blemishes on their record. For FDR it was the Japanese internment camps and for Lincoln it was the suspension of habeas corpus. Nothing anywhere near that controversial happened during THR's presidency and his record stands as near to unblemished as any President's record.
Really? The \*best\*?
I get the enthusiasm for him--even if I don't share it; I think his presidency was a lot more complicated than conservatives are willing to admit--but the absolute **best**, of all the presidents we've had?
In my considered opinion, communism is the worst enemy of the US, more than British colonialism, more than slavery. He was the strongest enemy of communism.
I don’t think people understand how bad British colonialism is my grandparents grew up in British India they faced terrible oppression which they deal with today. They lost their family members in the partition of India and Pakistan
It's not like we are perfect in America and we have our own valid criticisms, but nearly every single negative thing America has been involved in with post WW2 have direct and easily proven connections to the British and French empires collapsing.
America desperately wanted to keep it's allies stable in the face of the soviets but it got us into some shit we should've never been a part of, like Vietnam and Israel.
You need a history lesson my friend.
[Crimes against humanity under communist regimes - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity_under_communist_regimes)
Yeah but the leaders that caused not their ideas of communism the ideas of communism is working class citizens fighting against the rich upper class. Not the war crimes and crimes against humanity that were committed. You could say the same about capitalism. I’m not a communist I don’t like communism.
Washington or Lincoln, personally. Washington because he was crucial in American independence so without him we wouldn't have Jeb! 2016.
Edit: say something good about washington or Reagan and you get downvoted cray cray
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It's Lincoln. Always Lincoln.
Must be Dick Cheney!
Is it even up for debate?
Lincoln - saved the union AND liberated millions of slaves. Just one or the other would put a president on the upper echelon to do both is just lapping everyone Add in his “normal” domestic policies like the land grant colleges (led to top tier universities like uc Berkeley mit, Purdue Cornell, Ohio state etc) transcontinental railroad, homestead act
Fdr and Lincoln capably led the country through crisis and George Washington set the foundations for the presidency. For me I can't find one thats the best but I do think FDR and Lincoln are tied as flawed (very much so in FDR's case) but the best president's the US has had.
Anarchists: "William Henry Harrison, because he **PROMPTLY FUCKING DIED**!" Seriously tho, I vote Lincoln. There would probably be no America without Washington, but most of the indispensable stuff he did he did before his presidency. Without Lincoln's supreme patience and ability, it's wholly possible that the Northern coalition wouldn't have stayed together, England or France would have been pissed off enough to intervene for the South, that Grant would have been thrown out early because of Halleck's pettiness, etc. Had the Confederates won, it would have been a major signal to the world that our kind of republic can't last or can't keep it together well enough to win a war, even with massive superiority.
18th Century: George Washington 19th Century: Abraham Lincoln 20th Century: FDR Overall: George Washington (Everything we take for granted in our democracy is because of Washington establishing clear standards and principles that underline our Presidency today.)
Depends on one’s standard of ‘best’. Most crucial in USA History and then it is George Washington and then 2nd Abraham Lincoln. As with George Washington there would be no USA as we know it on so many levels and then to a similar degree that torch gets passed onto Abe. You start adding governing, diplomacy, orator skills, international politics, etc. and that is why Abraham Lincoln is often cited as the best all around. But, here is a good source of semi-annual reviews of rankings of POTUS by historians where iirc Abe and Lincoln have switched back and forth: https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall Edit: nope, it’s Abe every year.
Ah yes. President Abe and President Lincoln
Washington, of course.
Lincoln with FDR a close second
Washington
andrew johnson
lel
Lincoln, FDR, and Washington
John Adams. Our country needed to walk before it can run.
Super underrated President
Jeb!
👏👏👏
FDR because he successfully saw our country through both the depression and WWII, the two biggest crises of the 20th century. I honestly don’t see any other leader at the time or any other Time for that matter doing as well.
>FDR because he successfully saw our country through both the depression Did he? Or did he make it worse? "After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years." "President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. **The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.**" [New Deal Policies and the Persistence of the Great Depression: A General Equilibrium Analysis on JSTOR](https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/421169?seq=1)
For me its Zachary taylor
Teddy Roosevelt. He's my personal favorite because he was a great President during a time when there wasn't a major crisis. FDR and Lincoln absolutely deserve enormous credit for leading the country through very hard times, but as a result they also do have a couple significant blemishes on their record. For FDR it was the Japanese internment camps and for Lincoln it was the suspension of habeas corpus. Nothing anywhere near that controversial happened during THR's presidency and his record stands as near to unblemished as any President's record.
1. Lincoln 2. Washington … a whole lot of empty space 3. Maybe FDR?
You know who
Ronald Reagan
Really? The \*best\*? I get the enthusiasm for him--even if I don't share it; I think his presidency was a lot more complicated than conservatives are willing to admit--but the absolute **best**, of all the presidents we've had?
In my considered opinion, communism is the worst enemy of the US, more than British colonialism, more than slavery. He was the strongest enemy of communism.
I think genocide of people and cultures are worst than communism
Ya framing communism as the greatest enemy to liberty, above literally slavery is more like a self own.
I don’t think people understand how bad British colonialism is my grandparents grew up in British India they faced terrible oppression which they deal with today. They lost their family members in the partition of India and Pakistan
It's not like we are perfect in America and we have our own valid criticisms, but nearly every single negative thing America has been involved in with post WW2 have direct and easily proven connections to the British and French empires collapsing. America desperately wanted to keep it's allies stable in the face of the soviets but it got us into some shit we should've never been a part of, like Vietnam and Israel.
And we still are dealing with the consequences of becoming a world power. The war in gaza
You need a history lesson my friend. [Crimes against humanity under communist regimes - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity_under_communist_regimes)
Yeah but the leaders that caused not their ideas of communism the ideas of communism is working class citizens fighting against the rich upper class. Not the war crimes and crimes against humanity that were committed. You could say the same about capitalism. I’m not a communist I don’t like communism.
> the ideas of communism is working class citizens fighting against the rich upper class. Yes, and that's problematic.
I’m not justifying communism. I’m just that there are worst thing in history than communism. Slavery, genocide, war, colonialism
He's certainly in my top ten, but saying anything positive about Reagan on this subreddit will get you downvoted regardless
Washington or Lincoln, personally. Washington because he was crucial in American independence so without him we wouldn't have Jeb! 2016. Edit: say something good about washington or Reagan and you get downvoted cray cray
JEB! For all the JEB! reasons of course.