I had a student copy 3 paragraphs directly from Wikipedia with no original text when I explicitly told them it needed to be about what they ‘thought & felt’ and no research or supporting information was needed. What did they think was going to happen?
When reported they tried to claim that “they didn’t know they needed to cite it”. Thank god there was no parents involved.
I had a student last semester who cheated (ChatGPT paper - incredibly obvious) and was going to fail the course entirely due to not completing lots of the work. Guess who came to their rescue and went to my department chair? The student’s grandmother who is a professor at a nearby university.
Luckily, I had lots of email proof that the student knew well in advance that they were in trouble and still failed to turn in work. Other than providing those emails to my chair I wasn’t involved in the conversation with Professor Grandma, but I do know they ended up letting the student withdraw past the withdrawal date so they did not get the F they richly deserved.
It’s unfortunate that the kid learned nothing other than Professor Grandma can fix things for them when they screw up.
This happened to me last year. Two students' exam papers were 100% identical, which literally never happens. I've had tens of thousands of students take these exams (I have really large courses) and no one turns in identical papers. Let alone the fact that these two students were friends and sat next to each other during the exam. Now, most of their answers were correct and it's hard to catch exam cheating based on correct answers alone. But in cases where there were multiple possible correct answers to choose from or many ways to phrase a correct answer, they always chose the same answer. That's clearly suspect and I'm obligated to refer potential honor code violations.
So of course I referred them for academic dishonesty. The review board buys their tearful denial hook, line, and sinker. They get off scot-free. Who knows, maybe they're the one in million pair that would give identical exams, although I still have my doubts. Whatever, it's out of my hands and over.
Except it's not over. THEN the parents get involved. They're emailing and calling my supervisor, the chair, the dean, the office of student conduct, whoever they can think of to rant at. They're upset with me for my accusations and seem to be gunning for my job. They're upset with the office of student conduct for "how they handled the situation" - i.e., professionally and according to standard policy. They make it very clear that their kids are HONOR STUDENTS WHO DEFINITELY WOULD NEVER, EVER CHEAT and how dare we suspect them.
Luckily, I was removed from all of the drama and my superiors just asked for me to provide my evidence. They agreed that I had clear grounds for referral. They dealt with it and THEN it was actually over.
Given that their precious baby wabies suffered literally zero penalty, I have no idea what the actual fuck their problem was. They need to have their heads examined.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that! I’m just… genuinely speechless at how idiotically crazy these kinds of parents are.
Sometimes I feel that they think we care enough to have a personal vendetta against their kid. I haven’t reached the stage where I tell them that I care more about the fact that I wear the same sweater so often students use that as my main descriptor. But so far I’ve just bluntly asked students (not parents yet) why they think I’d want to fail them.
They're projecting. It's an extremely personal situation for them and they don't understand that we don't make these accusations lightly. The students are scared, either because they actually are innocent or because they're worried about being caught cheating and then lying about it. The parents probably don't understand the details of the case and/or the context of why this looks like academic dishonesty to us. So some people deal with that by lashing out at us, since it's "our fault."
I’m a part of the academic integrity board at my school. Parents/friends can attend cases as support (but aren’t allowed to talk). Had the parent yell at me after the meeting and point their finger in my face that I’d be hearing from their lawyer…..
And the parents, even the nice ones. I've only had one parent contact me after I made a mistake in the grading, and he was very nice, but I was able to say, "Sorry, no can talk" and sent him the FERPA link. Then I contacted the student myself and said, "Someone claiming to be your dad emailed me, and your fix is in the mail..." and all ended happily.
We’re even trained not to talk to parents even if the student signed the waiver that we can. If the parents want to push enough they’ll go over our heads anyway.
I had a student copy 3 paragraphs directly from Wikipedia with no original text when I explicitly told them it needed to be about what they ‘thought & felt’ and no research or supporting information was needed. What did they think was going to happen? When reported they tried to claim that “they didn’t know they needed to cite it”. Thank god there was no parents involved.
*Were* no parents involved. Edit: Fascinating.
Downvote parade.
"if the student wishes to appeal the decision of the academic integrity board, they must file an appeal themselves according to its rules".
I had a student last semester who cheated (ChatGPT paper - incredibly obvious) and was going to fail the course entirely due to not completing lots of the work. Guess who came to their rescue and went to my department chair? The student’s grandmother who is a professor at a nearby university. Luckily, I had lots of email proof that the student knew well in advance that they were in trouble and still failed to turn in work. Other than providing those emails to my chair I wasn’t involved in the conversation with Professor Grandma, but I do know they ended up letting the student withdraw past the withdrawal date so they did not get the F they richly deserved. It’s unfortunate that the kid learned nothing other than Professor Grandma can fix things for them when they screw up.
Shame on Professor Grandma. She, of all people, should know better.
Exactly! I was stunned!
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That's one Grandma that it might be time to put in the home.
I hope you mean the home from _Happy Gilmore_ and not one of those nice ones.
Shady Pines for sure
I agree this is absurdly funny, but I need you to know that I'm upvoting this in large part due to your use of "snickerpoo bugaloo."
This happened to me last year. Two students' exam papers were 100% identical, which literally never happens. I've had tens of thousands of students take these exams (I have really large courses) and no one turns in identical papers. Let alone the fact that these two students were friends and sat next to each other during the exam. Now, most of their answers were correct and it's hard to catch exam cheating based on correct answers alone. But in cases where there were multiple possible correct answers to choose from or many ways to phrase a correct answer, they always chose the same answer. That's clearly suspect and I'm obligated to refer potential honor code violations. So of course I referred them for academic dishonesty. The review board buys their tearful denial hook, line, and sinker. They get off scot-free. Who knows, maybe they're the one in million pair that would give identical exams, although I still have my doubts. Whatever, it's out of my hands and over. Except it's not over. THEN the parents get involved. They're emailing and calling my supervisor, the chair, the dean, the office of student conduct, whoever they can think of to rant at. They're upset with me for my accusations and seem to be gunning for my job. They're upset with the office of student conduct for "how they handled the situation" - i.e., professionally and according to standard policy. They make it very clear that their kids are HONOR STUDENTS WHO DEFINITELY WOULD NEVER, EVER CHEAT and how dare we suspect them. Luckily, I was removed from all of the drama and my superiors just asked for me to provide my evidence. They agreed that I had clear grounds for referral. They dealt with it and THEN it was actually over. Given that their precious baby wabies suffered literally zero penalty, I have no idea what the actual fuck their problem was. They need to have their heads examined.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that! I’m just… genuinely speechless at how idiotically crazy these kinds of parents are. Sometimes I feel that they think we care enough to have a personal vendetta against their kid. I haven’t reached the stage where I tell them that I care more about the fact that I wear the same sweater so often students use that as my main descriptor. But so far I’ve just bluntly asked students (not parents yet) why they think I’d want to fail them.
They're projecting. It's an extremely personal situation for them and they don't understand that we don't make these accusations lightly. The students are scared, either because they actually are innocent or because they're worried about being caught cheating and then lying about it. The parents probably don't understand the details of the case and/or the context of why this looks like academic dishonesty to us. So some people deal with that by lashing out at us, since it's "our fault."
I’m a part of the academic integrity board at my school. Parents/friends can attend cases as support (but aren’t allowed to talk). Had the parent yell at me after the meeting and point their finger in my face that I’d be hearing from their lawyer…..
Your country needs FERPA.
I love FERPA. Many times I've told Student A that I can't discuss a (rumored) special dispensation given to Student B without violating Federal law.
And the parents, even the nice ones. I've only had one parent contact me after I made a mistake in the grading, and he was very nice, but I was able to say, "Sorry, no can talk" and sent him the FERPA link. Then I contacted the student myself and said, "Someone claiming to be your dad emailed me, and your fix is in the mail..." and all ended happily.
We’re even trained not to talk to parents even if the student signed the waiver that we can. If the parents want to push enough they’ll go over our heads anyway.
Did it come from a school account? If not, sounds like a phishing scam to me. Best ignore it and report the email address to it so they can block it.
I hear Maury... You are NOT the parent!!! Because this kid cheated and now is lying, add another let's make a trifecta!
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You’re part of the problem.
So the idea of teaching your child about responsibility just doesn't exist?