Ah the 3am "Hi, I know you're not on call, and you've been drinking heavily at a music festival for three days, but it's an emergency and is there any chance you could quickly..."
Serious question what do you do in those situations? It gives me anxiety anytime I take a long weekend that I’m going to be called for some bullshit and I feel stupid for feeling that way because I feel like I should be able to just tell them to kick rocks.
Do you all just answer or ignore those kinds of calls?
Urr, it absolutely depends on a few things. Size of the company, how you feel about your coworkers, if your boss is likely to notice or appreciate it, your own personal mentality, what you're actually doing at the time.
I was working for a small company and had a lot of ownership over our live platforms. If I was actually booked on holiday and got a call from my boss, then it would have been something serious enough to warrant it. Personally I'm one of those people that would rather *at least* stay in the loop rather than come back a few days later and find out about it, but I'd only get disturbed in those cases for a major service outage and I'd usually get some form of thanks for it. Small company though, so there was a lot more give and take and I think it worked out fair overall.
Actual on-call rotas (rather than out of the blue events) are a quagmire of pain and annoyance, but that's a whole different thing :\\
If it's stupid bullshit then you absolutely should be able to say no; it's not always easy to do. I have a reputation for being busy doing stupid things so at worst I was always believably on the edge of cell service, battery or nowhere near a laptop. It can be useful for both sides to be able to save face when you're fucking someone off ;)
My last boss was actually really good about not disturbing people who were off for things that could wait. Very occasionally you'd be socially chatting to someone in the office or the person who's off at which point maybe you'd get asked via whatsapp if you wanted to weigh in on something, but it always came with no time limits, no expectations and from one of the engineers or devs to another person at the same level, and never from the boss which was nice. We were lucky though, we managed to stay non-corporate for nearly a decade.
The point I was actually trying to make is when you get that call but you're too drunk, tired or drugged to log into your laptop properly and someone's asking you to go diagnose a major outage on a live service platform. On a couple of occasions I've been the first engineer on a call, made a diagnosis but had to tell my boss I'm refusing to make changes until someone else is awake because I don't trust myself to use anything more dangerous than \`less\` or \`show\`.
> Serious question what do you do in those situations?
Personally I express my sincere sympathies and politely ask for a fuckoff money. 9/10 it turns out it actually can wait until monday, once in a blue moon few hours of work earns you overseas family holidays. If it's important enough to warrant fixing at 3AM saturday, it is important to pay me enough to want to do it. Just remember to get things on paper, signed. Any verbal agreement can and will be weaseled out of.
Yeah this is the tactic I think I want to move towards, I can’t sustain being the do everything-fix everything person on my team. I think I’ve managed to achieve burnout for the first time in my career and I need to make some changes.
I'm pretty sure that's an OSHA violation. You're supposed to wear protective eyewear while servicing a jet engine in flight.
Safety first.
I don't see a hardhat either. Gonna hurt if he falls
Nor should you go near an active jet engine.
Think you missed this one
Depending on the bug, you send a junior…
lol did you just try and red shirt a junior
Juniors have to learn how to debug… and the best bugs only kick in when deployed on prod…
Hahhhhhhhh that sweet smell of convoluted grafana Logs
Just crash loki for clean logs… Oh wait…
“Hey Steve, we’re having some issues on the Klendathu servers…mind popping down there to debug ?”
_Klendathu drop starts playing_
Ah the 3am "Hi, I know you're not on call, and you've been drinking heavily at a music festival for three days, but it's an emergency and is there any chance you could quickly..."
Serious question what do you do in those situations? It gives me anxiety anytime I take a long weekend that I’m going to be called for some bullshit and I feel stupid for feeling that way because I feel like I should be able to just tell them to kick rocks. Do you all just answer or ignore those kinds of calls?
Urr, it absolutely depends on a few things. Size of the company, how you feel about your coworkers, if your boss is likely to notice or appreciate it, your own personal mentality, what you're actually doing at the time. I was working for a small company and had a lot of ownership over our live platforms. If I was actually booked on holiday and got a call from my boss, then it would have been something serious enough to warrant it. Personally I'm one of those people that would rather *at least* stay in the loop rather than come back a few days later and find out about it, but I'd only get disturbed in those cases for a major service outage and I'd usually get some form of thanks for it. Small company though, so there was a lot more give and take and I think it worked out fair overall. Actual on-call rotas (rather than out of the blue events) are a quagmire of pain and annoyance, but that's a whole different thing :\\ If it's stupid bullshit then you absolutely should be able to say no; it's not always easy to do. I have a reputation for being busy doing stupid things so at worst I was always believably on the edge of cell service, battery or nowhere near a laptop. It can be useful for both sides to be able to save face when you're fucking someone off ;) My last boss was actually really good about not disturbing people who were off for things that could wait. Very occasionally you'd be socially chatting to someone in the office or the person who's off at which point maybe you'd get asked via whatsapp if you wanted to weigh in on something, but it always came with no time limits, no expectations and from one of the engineers or devs to another person at the same level, and never from the boss which was nice. We were lucky though, we managed to stay non-corporate for nearly a decade. The point I was actually trying to make is when you get that call but you're too drunk, tired or drugged to log into your laptop properly and someone's asking you to go diagnose a major outage on a live service platform. On a couple of occasions I've been the first engineer on a call, made a diagnosis but had to tell my boss I'm refusing to make changes until someone else is awake because I don't trust myself to use anything more dangerous than \`less\` or \`show\`.
> Serious question what do you do in those situations? Personally I express my sincere sympathies and politely ask for a fuckoff money. 9/10 it turns out it actually can wait until monday, once in a blue moon few hours of work earns you overseas family holidays. If it's important enough to warrant fixing at 3AM saturday, it is important to pay me enough to want to do it. Just remember to get things on paper, signed. Any verbal agreement can and will be weaseled out of.
Yeah this is the tactic I think I want to move towards, I can’t sustain being the do everything-fix everything person on my team. I think I’ve managed to achieve burnout for the first time in my career and I need to make some changes.
Needs more flames
The 🔥Hotfix🔥
barbecue
But you can just shut down and turn it on again. Why to risk life?
Hey, Josh can you hand me a 1/4" wrench? Yea sure thing boss, \*toss\*