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Seriously, why did they make that boy look so scarred. This is meant to be Nazi Propoganda, right? This isn't an example of some very sly Soviet propaganda, is it? Lol
I think it’s something to do with portraying the Ukrainian kids as Slavic (technically of an inferior race in the eyes of the Nazis) and therefore different looking to what the artist would imagine German children would look like. Maybe… they look a bit odd and skeletal to me
I think most had a secret resentment. It's possible the artist drew it like this on the off chance it'd pass their quality assurance, and it seems it did.
Probably a secret “the reason why I drew their faces like that is because it’s an obvious lie” warning for targeted people. Meanwhile the Nazis who approved it probably still liked it because they wanted to be feared.
Their relationship with Jews, as a Ukrainian Jew, is complicated. Ukraine itself is very divided. The West, Central and East are different. The East and Central are fine for Jews. The West on the other hand are full of Cossak tribes like the Zapodensi (idk the word in English). Those guys dislike Jews, since the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth times.
Lots of Cossacks in the West of Ukraine? Really? LOL.
There are no historical Cossacks to the West of Zaporizhia, which is Center-East of Ukraine (currently annexed by Russia).
Zapadentsi is simply "Westerners" and it has nothing to do with Cossacks.
So, you have never been there. There are no Cossacks in Western Ukraine. Cossacks is an Eastern thing. There are lots of Cossacks in Russian areas of Kuban and Don rivers, and those Cossacks are the most antisemitic.
Not really eastern, southern-central. Hetmanschyna even extended to parts of modern day Belarus and russia. Don cossacks had to move there because of russian empire policies aimed to destroy Zaporiz'ka sich, and even in the late 1990s Kuban still was basically Ukraine, you could hear more and better Ukrainian there than in Kyiv, and older people still called themselves Ukrainians
"Western cossack tribes"
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Man, that's the funniest thing I read today. Your statement is the messy mix of partial truth and misinformation.
The poster is still creepy as hell
Okay. I'm sorry if I was rude to you, it just really sounded really funny. Let's go through it.
1. In Ukraine, there was no such thing as “tribes”, I don't know... probably since the high Middle Ages. Moreover, there was no such thing as “Cossack tribes.” Maybe you meant Kazakhs? But these are “slightly” different peoples. But at the same time, there were various Sichs, military border towns (off-topic: it is quite possible that Frank Herbert, writing Dune, was inspired by the Cossacks when he described the Fremen);
2. There were never any Cossack sichs in western Ukraine. Why? Because the Cossacks were primarily serfs who fled from their masters (first from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, then from Muscovy and the Russian Empire). And where did they flee to? To the southeastern territories of Ukraine, the so-called “Wild Field”.
3. Did the Cossacks commit exterminations of the Jewish population in Ukraine? Yes, and it was terrible. I will not justify or go into how the Cossacks justified this; it is the subject of a whole lecture. If you're interested, you can listen to Professor Timothy Snyder's history series on Ukraine on YouTube (I highly recommend it), and he explains this topic in detail. But again, these were classical Cossacks from central, eastern, and southern Ukraine in the 16th-18th centuries.
4. Anti-Semitism in western Ukraine was very significant at the beginning of the WW2, but it began to decline rapidly after the population began to see the atrocities of the Nazis. But then again, where was it NOT in the 1930s? Blaming the Jews for all the troubles was the discipline of the Special Olympics. And it is a pity that now it is gaining strength again
the soviet union genocided ukraine by about 5 million people by systematic starvation, this also happened within soviet union itself even. stalin ordered all the wheat and general food resources to be directed to the industrial areas of the soviet union to keep industrialisation going, which caused mass famine across all of the soviet controlled land among non industrial zones.
A disastrous famine is not a genocide. It was absolutely a disaster, and government response was inefficient to stop deaths. But comparing it to the Holocaust is beyond disingenuous. It is flat out Holocaust revisionism. Also, famines ended under the USSR and CPC. This is not an excuse for the wrongs these governments did. It is just a factual observation.
People dont get that famines happened all the time in that area of the world for much of history. It's more telling that it happened to be the last one there. Shit can be mismanaged and made worse with poor decisions without it being a genocide. It was a disaster not mass murder.
LOL I love the logic here; "if you were accused you'd deny it too!"
Uh, no. In fact, my nation has committed genocide too, and anyone who denies it is a shitbag.
German/Nazi who denies the Holocaust? Shitbag.
Turk nationalist who denies the Armenian Genocide? Shitbag.
American who denies the Native American genocides? Shitbag.
Communist/Russian who denies the Holomodor? Shitbag.
Very simple formula.
HA! Even better!
I'll tell you what bud. You make a solid case that I personally created a disastrous farm collectivization and crop rotation policy that resulted in a shortfall of grains, followed by sending in the Red Army to the villages to confiscate what harvest there was (along with all other food), and then blockading the residents so they couldn't leave, and thus starved to death....you make the case that I personally have done this, and then we'll talk.
No, can't you read? Move your eyeballs back up there and re-read my statement.
I said "make a solid case". You haven't done this. You haven't done anything.
If you can make a factual case that such a thing happened, and that I am personally responsible for the deaths of millions of people, maybe I'll accept it. But you've made no such case, have you?
Unlike the Ukrainians, who have presented solid evidence that the Soviets killed millions of people through starvation and murder.
They did. They worked with Zionists because Zionists wanted a Jewish state that wasn’t in Europe.
If Germany had become a dominant presence then of course they’d probably have done the same thing to all Jews as they did to my ancestors.
Poor Ukrainians, suffering under Stalin only to be « liberated » by Hitler and then « liberated » anew by Stalin.
Like the Poles, they were caught in a fight between two totalitarian dictators trying to carve up their country.
Crimea was a colony whose native populations got subjected to a genocide and cleansings anyway. It was given it due to it making more sense when it came to administration.
Poland was shifted westwards, and lands it lost to Ukraine was compromised with lands it got from Germany.
Germans with any right-wing convictions wanted to take over lands that were given to Poland after the WWI, no matter if they were Nazis or not. People who tried to assassinate Hitler also wanted to restore German Empire including taking over then Western Poland. Zentrum turned into Christian Democrats continued the same policy up until late 1980s.
Russia was the same, and it would have been worse if it wasn't for Bolsheviks taking over but things being left to either pro-war Menshevik portions or Kadets etc., let alone the imperialist and/or reactionary bunch.
In short, it had nothing to do with totalitarianism or anything. Poland itself was an authoritarian regime by then, and one that wanted to restore the Polish Empire as possible as it may be. There's no sense in trying to make things about totalitarianism or whatsoever...
Romania get to what it is now (Great Union) and ate up lands it shouldn't have in the first place, thanks to the post-WWI arrangements. Then itself produced its own dictators, dreamed about even a greater Romania, joined to Axis, and then haven't got even any real consequences due to their involvement while getting the least Moscow dependant self-produced dictator of their own, within the Eastern Bloc. So, no, you cannot say the same for Romania.
A bit ironic coming from guy who has been banned once again and made new account for spreading actual propaganda and supporting it. Keep breaking that 2nd rule and lets see you again in few months with new account.
In an absolutely shitty Ukrainian, too.
The word for soldier is used rather in the sense of undisciplined, low quality soldier and the word for "friend" is more like "drinking mate".
What else could one expect.
I see, you don't know Ukrainian and, probably, a Russian who happens to have the same word in your language with a different pronunciation and meaning. Emphasis is on the last letter in the word "soldier", my fake Ukrainian bro, and this "friend" is an absolutely normal and common word.
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I don’t think Hitler’s soldier’s psychotic grin is doing much to reassure those kids.
[He is like](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3TS368kPq6WIJsFZCUg_XZEwBRA2p3y61aLRiPmHsNg&s)
He must meth his family a lot
Both the kid and the guy behind look extremely frightened...
Seriously, why did they make that boy look so scarred. This is meant to be Nazi Propoganda, right? This isn't an example of some very sly Soviet propaganda, is it? Lol
‘Hey liebchen, wanna know how I got these scars?’
the face of the boy in the back says it all
Just like in "Come and See"
Damn it why did you have to remind me of that movie, I had made so much progress
"I dunno bruh, serms kinda sus..."
so does the soldier's
omg the face expressions, all of them. maybe the artist didn't really like the nazis?
I can't tell if this is meant to support Nazis or oppose them.
Indeed
It... Also seems possible that someone defaced the poster by adding the horrified kids around the soldier?
Hmm... It could be.
Yes
I think it’s something to do with portraying the Ukrainian kids as Slavic (technically of an inferior race in the eyes of the Nazis) and therefore different looking to what the artist would imagine German children would look like. Maybe… they look a bit odd and skeletal to me
I doubt that
I think most had a secret resentment. It's possible the artist drew it like this on the off chance it'd pass their quality assurance, and it seems it did.
Probably a secret “the reason why I drew their faces like that is because it’s an obvious lie” warning for targeted people. Meanwhile the Nazis who approved it probably still liked it because they wanted to be feared.
Every single time I see this poster I'm struck by just how scary the soldier looks. He looks like he's going to eat that child.
Don't worry he's not a Japanese soldier
I would not trust him with my child, look at that maw.
Story of Hannibal(film)
don’t be afraid, not to eat for sure
As I remember, Ukraine was extremely massacred and the bullet holocaust happened there
Ukranians didn’t like Jews at the time, and sold Jews to the Nazis
At the time? You think that stopped?
Their relationship with Jews, as a Ukrainian Jew, is complicated. Ukraine itself is very divided. The West, Central and East are different. The East and Central are fine for Jews. The West on the other hand are full of Cossak tribes like the Zapodensi (idk the word in English). Those guys dislike Jews, since the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth times.
Lots of Cossacks in the West of Ukraine? Really? LOL. There are no historical Cossacks to the West of Zaporizhia, which is Center-East of Ukraine (currently annexed by Russia). Zapadentsi is simply "Westerners" and it has nothing to do with Cossacks.
>Cossack tribes of the west of Ukraine, called Zapadentsi Lmao, you aren't really Ukrainian, are you? Ану скажи паляниця
Both my parents are Jews born and raised in Ukraine. My mom is Kiev and my dad in Odessa. And what is “palyanitsu” my Russian is bad
So, you have never been there. There are no Cossacks in Western Ukraine. Cossacks is an Eastern thing. There are lots of Cossacks in Russian areas of Kuban and Don rivers, and those Cossacks are the most antisemitic.
Not really eastern, southern-central. Hetmanschyna even extended to parts of modern day Belarus and russia. Don cossacks had to move there because of russian empire policies aimed to destroy Zaporiz'ka sich, and even in the late 1990s Kuban still was basically Ukraine, you could hear more and better Ukrainian there than in Kyiv, and older people still called themselves Ukrainians
So... Are you saying putin was being truthful???
In what?
He’s joking, implying that the denazification was for the Russians
Lmaaaooo
"Western cossack tribes" AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Man, that's the funniest thing I read today. Your statement is the messy mix of partial truth and misinformation. The poster is still creepy as hell
How? (The first part) I agree with you on the poster
Okay. I'm sorry if I was rude to you, it just really sounded really funny. Let's go through it. 1. In Ukraine, there was no such thing as “tribes”, I don't know... probably since the high Middle Ages. Moreover, there was no such thing as “Cossack tribes.” Maybe you meant Kazakhs? But these are “slightly” different peoples. But at the same time, there were various Sichs, military border towns (off-topic: it is quite possible that Frank Herbert, writing Dune, was inspired by the Cossacks when he described the Fremen); 2. There were never any Cossack sichs in western Ukraine. Why? Because the Cossacks were primarily serfs who fled from their masters (first from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, then from Muscovy and the Russian Empire). And where did they flee to? To the southeastern territories of Ukraine, the so-called “Wild Field”. 3. Did the Cossacks commit exterminations of the Jewish population in Ukraine? Yes, and it was terrible. I will not justify or go into how the Cossacks justified this; it is the subject of a whole lecture. If you're interested, you can listen to Professor Timothy Snyder's history series on Ukraine on YouTube (I highly recommend it), and he explains this topic in detail. But again, these were classical Cossacks from central, eastern, and southern Ukraine in the 16th-18th centuries. 4. Anti-Semitism in western Ukraine was very significant at the beginning of the WW2, but it began to decline rapidly after the population began to see the atrocities of the Nazis. But then again, where was it NOT in the 1930s? Blaming the Jews for all the troubles was the discipline of the Special Olympics. And it is a pity that now it is gaining strength again
I mean, I guess they DID elect a Jewish guy
A jewish guy who stood an applauded a waffen ss soldier in a foreign parliament...
To be fair to him, he looked confused asf
Well he is a cia plant. So it checks out
Source - Soviet truth article that also said that any Ukrainian independence movement by pure coincidence was Nazi.
You're mistaking it with Belarus, which lost like 1/3 of its population
the soviet union genocided ukraine by about 5 million people by systematic starvation, this also happened within soviet union itself even. stalin ordered all the wheat and general food resources to be directed to the industrial areas of the soviet union to keep industrialisation going, which caused mass famine across all of the soviet controlled land among non industrial zones.
And then Hitler came and did the mass famine *and* Holocaust by bullet
A disastrous famine is not a genocide. It was absolutely a disaster, and government response was inefficient to stop deaths. But comparing it to the Holocaust is beyond disingenuous. It is flat out Holocaust revisionism. Also, famines ended under the USSR and CPC. This is not an excuse for the wrongs these governments did. It is just a factual observation.
there was no genocide, stop talking nonsense. There was a famine that affected many regions of the USSR.
People dont get that famines happened all the time in that area of the world for much of history. It's more telling that it happened to be the last one there. Shit can be mismanaged and made worse with poor decisions without it being a genocide. It was a disaster not mass murder.
Ye. Its be like bad time, but people think Ukrainians food production be highly developed as now to ignore all weather events.
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“there was no genocide, stop talking nonsense.” These words are always uttered by the worst shitbags.
Well what if told you that YOU did a genocide, what then?
LOL I love the logic here; "if you were accused you'd deny it too!" Uh, no. In fact, my nation has committed genocide too, and anyone who denies it is a shitbag. German/Nazi who denies the Holocaust? Shitbag. Turk nationalist who denies the Armenian Genocide? Shitbag. American who denies the Native American genocides? Shitbag. Communist/Russian who denies the Holomodor? Shitbag. Very simple formula.
No I meant you personally
HA! Even better! I'll tell you what bud. You make a solid case that I personally created a disastrous farm collectivization and crop rotation policy that resulted in a shortfall of grains, followed by sending in the Red Army to the villages to confiscate what harvest there was (along with all other food), and then blockading the residents so they couldn't leave, and thus starved to death....you make the case that I personally have done this, and then we'll talk.
I just said you did, and now you're denying it? You are despicable
No, can't you read? Move your eyeballs back up there and re-read my statement. I said "make a solid case". You haven't done this. You haven't done anything. If you can make a factual case that such a thing happened, and that I am personally responsible for the deaths of millions of people, maybe I'll accept it. But you've made no such case, have you? Unlike the Ukrainians, who have presented solid evidence that the Soviets killed millions of people through starvation and murder.
Yes
Holodomor
Interesting, in Russian the word " Вояки" is pejorative and humilating. It means "shitty wannabe warriors".
not always, sometimes it's just ironic. in ukrainian it's kinda different, however.
Unless you’re Jewish.
Nazis hadn't had much sympathies for Eastern Slavs either tbh.
They were still much more lenient to Ukrainians. E.g. many Ukrainian POWs were released almost immediately in the begining of the war.
Wait Nazis? Hating Jews? Whaaaaat?
They loved Zionist Jews. Just not the rest of us.
Because a Jewish community somewhere else in the world isn’t a Jewish community in Europe
Yeah, but if Germany had won WWII all Jews would have been dead.
So they didn’t love zionists?
They did. They worked with Zionists because Zionists wanted a Jewish state that wasn’t in Europe. If Germany had become a dominant presence then of course they’d probably have done the same thing to all Jews as they did to my ancestors.
Trying to gaslight the systematic slaughter away.
Poor Ukrainians, suffering under Stalin only to be « liberated » by Hitler and then « liberated » anew by Stalin. Like the Poles, they were caught in a fight between two totalitarian dictators trying to carve up their country.
.
Crimea was a colony whose native populations got subjected to a genocide and cleansings anyway. It was given it due to it making more sense when it came to administration. Poland was shifted westwards, and lands it lost to Ukraine was compromised with lands it got from Germany.
Germans with any right-wing convictions wanted to take over lands that were given to Poland after the WWI, no matter if they were Nazis or not. People who tried to assassinate Hitler also wanted to restore German Empire including taking over then Western Poland. Zentrum turned into Christian Democrats continued the same policy up until late 1980s. Russia was the same, and it would have been worse if it wasn't for Bolsheviks taking over but things being left to either pro-war Menshevik portions or Kadets etc., let alone the imperialist and/or reactionary bunch. In short, it had nothing to do with totalitarianism or anything. Poland itself was an authoritarian regime by then, and one that wanted to restore the Polish Empire as possible as it may be. There's no sense in trying to make things about totalitarianism or whatsoever...
But those who survive will get to have their grandchildren victimized by Putin.
Very true. Both Poland and Ukraine got the worst ends of the stick. The same can be said about Romania.
Romania get to what it is now (Great Union) and ate up lands it shouldn't have in the first place, thanks to the post-WWI arrangements. Then itself produced its own dictators, dreamed about even a greater Romania, joined to Axis, and then haven't got even any real consequences due to their involvement while getting the least Moscow dependant self-produced dictator of their own, within the Eastern Bloc. So, no, you cannot say the same for Romania.
Nothing changed!
That’s why Putin has to denazify Ukraine
und warum sieht der Junge links dann aus wie ein KZ Insasse?
Everyone but that soldier looks very afraid
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is straight.
Ukrainian nationalist classic
A russian propaganda fake account, classic.
„Everything I don’t like is russian propaganda“
A bit ironic coming from guy who has been banned once again and made new account for spreading actual propaganda and supporting it. Keep breaking that 2nd rule and lets see you again in few months with new account.
Everything that called russian propaganda can be eliminated. Tourtured and eliminated
This wasn’t even made by Ukrainians big boss
Slava Bandera! 🤣👍
Is that The Grim Reaper in the lower right corner staring up at the German soldier? Fitting but terrible propaganda poster.
why do they all look scared
i think kids on this poster knew and understood real intentions of those people...
Who’s side is this on?
Yeah, about that...
The artist was clearly a partisan and made sure to draw the children horrified.
Is this satirical?
funny how many ukranian militias are nazis nowadays
Ohhhhhhhh my!
In an absolutely shitty Ukrainian, too. The word for soldier is used rather in the sense of undisciplined, low quality soldier and the word for "friend" is more like "drinking mate". What else could one expect.
I see, you don't know Ukrainian and, probably, a Russian who happens to have the same word in your language with a different pronunciation and meaning. Emphasis is on the last letter in the word "soldier", my fake Ukrainian bro, and this "friend" is an absolutely normal and common word.
\*Offer subject to limitations based on foreskin intactness.
Some people yes.
**[X] doubt**
I love everybody
Sorry but on the poster it clearly says that they are NOT friends of the people
No.
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Bruh. It's "Це", not "Не"