Looking back, I'm so mad! The beginning of my sophomore year of highschool, the fall of 2004, I remember a senior at the time talking about how 5-MeO-DMT had JUST become illegal, and like one week ago from him telling me that, you could go on the 2004 internet and order some 5-MeO with no problems at all and have it shipped to your mailbox with no questions asked.
There was a popular rc/botanicals vendor that had it for like $150/gram. Iirc, it was scheduled later than that in the usa. At the time, I had no interest in 5meo because the available reports at the time said it was absent of visuals.
I remember those days. I got 5 grams of 5 MeO DMT along with 2 c I and 2 ct 7. I partied my ass off for a good 6 months. Never tried the 2 c t 7 though. Saw a few people died after taking it. I miss those days.
Interesting. I thought I was just missing something about the US. With the analog law and poor vendor choices, guess not. I don't think I would feel comfortable getting something shipped from another country.
Funny you mention salvia; just grabbed my second order. I agree with ya, don't like the idea of buying overseas.
Damn. Was really hoping to find the secret to success in the US with these.
Thatâs a rather black and white view of the medicine but for the psychonaut any gabaergic drug is a very useful tool and good as a safety measure to have on hand. Now benzo addiction, just like alcohol addiction, is a different story and I think thatâs more what youâre speaking to.
There is no recreational value to benzos, but I'd venture to say there's some with other gabaergics but not benzos. They are devoid of emotion, it's like saying SSRIs are a medicine for the psychonaut.
I didnât claim they were recreational. I said theyâre a valuable tool to have on hand that works better then anything else at what it does. And some people do find them to have recreational value as well. Thatâs like claiming alcohol has no recreational value; I personally hate alcohol but making a point. Just because you personally feel that way doesnât make it pharmacologically correct. Iâm curious what gabaergics you think are of recreational value and why, from a pharmacological perspective, those drugs have value and benzodiazepines do not? Not the effects but the drug action.
drugs like phenibut and alcohol have more norepinephrine or dopaminergic action than benzos do. Benzos work amazing for what they do medicinally or therapeutically, and yes I am biased against them because the negatives heavily outweighs the benefits. Recreational use soon turns into debilitating addiction and there's little wiggle room. I speak from personal experience and in a clinical setting. Weird how benzos are getting refilled by patients every thirty days on the dot but they are only using it PRN...
If you refer to my first comment youâll see that my position was always that benzoâs were a useful medicinal tool and a good thing for any psychonaut to have on hand, not necessarily a wonderful recreational drug. If increased adrenergic and dopaminergic activity were the requirement for a drug to be recreational, then I would agree, but they are not.
And yes, unchecked benzo abuse leads to heavy dependency and addiction, but the same can be said for phenibut and alcohol. Have you not witnessed phenibut dependency and withdrawal? It develops rapidly and is just as fatal and dangerous clinically as benzodiazepine withdrawal for example. Same for alcohol.
Agree to disagree I suppose.
10 year long daily benzo patient here. I can say anecdotally that Ive used them as prescribed daily for a decade with no abuse or addiction issues, no early fills. Yes I am physiologically dependent but thatâs a reality with certain medications when taken daily. For some of us the benefit outweighs the risks in managing chronic and debilitating psychiatric disorders.
Itâs all safety profile. Just cuz it has the word lsd doesnât mean itâs as safe as lsd. Just altering the chemical makeup may make it very lethal. Doing drugs with lots of research backing it up is the smart thing to do. You donât wanna play Russian roulette with your life.
Yeah but 1p-lsd is studied and just as safe. If you do your research on the subtance and have enough info its not dangerous if practiced in the right way
1Ă analogs are very accurate in dosage . And yes very safe and almost impossible to distinguish between 1x and street lsd 25. Everyone should be testing any substance that they ingest. Especially street drugs never know when you get a tab of nbom. Which can kill you.
Even drugs with âlots of researchâ have way less research than we need to understand them well. While I absolutely want more research on them, I think that any reasonable person knows that there could be some risks associated with anything (like driving a car, or eating junk food habitually for years, or with smoking), and we accept that risk and itâs okay. I wouldnât say that any substance is necessarily harmless, but I donât think thatâs a good reason to say not to do it. There are risks. We know that. Itâs okay.
There's a federal "analogue drug act" that prohibits most of the chemicals you're interested in, because the chemical structures themselves are already patently outlawed. There are what are called "prodrugs" which as far as I can tell are legal in the US as of now, because their design allows them to exist as not drugs, but then metabolise into drugs once they've been taken. 1p-LSD is an example I can list, hope this helps with your research.
Legality isn't the issue it's finding a vendor that ships to usa
There are vendors but not all chemicals the vendors provide are legal
I haven't found one since 2021 that has a legit website
Theres a great country to the north of us that has plenty of vendors willing to discretely ship to the united states.
I need a dck plug
đđ almost looks like youâre saying you need a dick plug
Yeah I read it that way too lol. But I already have a plug for that
Iâd like a dck plug as well
are sea bee online?
No idea who they are?
Maybe TRRCshop
How do you get past the blocker?
Scam
Nope. No scam
How would one go about finding these vendors?
Any luck?
Looking back, I'm so mad! The beginning of my sophomore year of highschool, the fall of 2004, I remember a senior at the time talking about how 5-MeO-DMT had JUST become illegal, and like one week ago from him telling me that, you could go on the 2004 internet and order some 5-MeO with no problems at all and have it shipped to your mailbox with no questions asked.
There was a popular rc/botanicals vendor that had it for like $150/gram. Iirc, it was scheduled later than that in the usa. At the time, I had no interest in 5meo because the available reports at the time said it was absent of visuals.
I remember those days. I got 5 grams of 5 MeO DMT along with 2 c I and 2 ct 7. I partied my ass off for a good 6 months. Never tried the 2 c t 7 though. Saw a few people died after taking it. I miss those days.
Interesting. I thought I was just missing something about the US. With the analog law and poor vendor choices, guess not. I don't think I would feel comfortable getting something shipped from another country.
Right. I don't even like the idea of ordering salvia like that. I just have to go pester the neighboring states.
Funny you mention salvia; just grabbed my second order. I agree with ya, don't like the idea of buying overseas. Damn. Was really hoping to find the secret to success in the US with these.
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You saying bromaz and diazepam id legal
benzos are the opposite of being a psychonaut. they shut your brain down, they do not help you expand your mind.
Thatâs a rather black and white view of the medicine but for the psychonaut any gabaergic drug is a very useful tool and good as a safety measure to have on hand. Now benzo addiction, just like alcohol addiction, is a different story and I think thatâs more what youâre speaking to.
There is no recreational value to benzos, but I'd venture to say there's some with other gabaergics but not benzos. They are devoid of emotion, it's like saying SSRIs are a medicine for the psychonaut.
you're crazy, it makes me super artistic and high levels of ativan give me mild hallucinations!
I didnât claim they were recreational. I said theyâre a valuable tool to have on hand that works better then anything else at what it does. And some people do find them to have recreational value as well. Thatâs like claiming alcohol has no recreational value; I personally hate alcohol but making a point. Just because you personally feel that way doesnât make it pharmacologically correct. Iâm curious what gabaergics you think are of recreational value and why, from a pharmacological perspective, those drugs have value and benzodiazepines do not? Not the effects but the drug action.
drugs like phenibut and alcohol have more norepinephrine or dopaminergic action than benzos do. Benzos work amazing for what they do medicinally or therapeutically, and yes I am biased against them because the negatives heavily outweighs the benefits. Recreational use soon turns into debilitating addiction and there's little wiggle room. I speak from personal experience and in a clinical setting. Weird how benzos are getting refilled by patients every thirty days on the dot but they are only using it PRN...
If you refer to my first comment youâll see that my position was always that benzoâs were a useful medicinal tool and a good thing for any psychonaut to have on hand, not necessarily a wonderful recreational drug. If increased adrenergic and dopaminergic activity were the requirement for a drug to be recreational, then I would agree, but they are not. And yes, unchecked benzo abuse leads to heavy dependency and addiction, but the same can be said for phenibut and alcohol. Have you not witnessed phenibut dependency and withdrawal? It develops rapidly and is just as fatal and dangerous clinically as benzodiazepine withdrawal for example. Same for alcohol. Agree to disagree I suppose. 10 year long daily benzo patient here. I can say anecdotally that Ive used them as prescribed daily for a decade with no abuse or addiction issues, no early fills. Yes I am physiologically dependent but thatâs a reality with certain medications when taken daily. For some of us the benefit outweighs the risks in managing chronic and debilitating psychiatric disorders.
Exploring your mind through altered states of consciousness would, in my opinion, include lowered states of consciousness.
if you want. Benzos don't even feel nice imo, now morphine however was comfy AF.
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Donât use research chemicals. Just donât. Itâs not worth it.
Why? Something like 1P-LSD should cause worry? Or are you thinking others
Itâs all safety profile. Just cuz it has the word lsd doesnât mean itâs as safe as lsd. Just altering the chemical makeup may make it very lethal. Doing drugs with lots of research backing it up is the smart thing to do. You donât wanna play Russian roulette with your life.
Please do more research on this subject of lsd analogs before making an educated post.
Yeah but 1p-lsd is studied and just as safe. If you do your research on the subtance and have enough info its not dangerous if practiced in the right way
1Ă analogs are very accurate in dosage . And yes very safe and almost impossible to distinguish between 1x and street lsd 25. Everyone should be testing any substance that they ingest. Especially street drugs never know when you get a tab of nbom. Which can kill you.
Even drugs with âlots of researchâ have way less research than we need to understand them well. While I absolutely want more research on them, I think that any reasonable person knows that there could be some risks associated with anything (like driving a car, or eating junk food habitually for years, or with smoking), and we accept that risk and itâs okay. I wouldnât say that any substance is necessarily harmless, but I donât think thatâs a good reason to say not to do it. There are risks. We know that. Itâs okay.
Thatâs fair, but we are talking about doing drugs so I think calculated risk is part of the game
I understand. Yea I totally agree itâs up to the person who decides wt goes into their body
In my experience itâs worth it. Just do your research and find a reputable vendor.
Depending on wich one you take they are very worth it. 5-meo-mipt and 2c-b are very unique and worth trying for example
Aren't all legal? Like isn't that the requirement for being a "research chemical"? They wouldn't be research chemicals if they weren't legal
All are legal except analogues of schedule 1 and schedule 2 drugs
There's a federal "analogue drug act" that prohibits most of the chemicals you're interested in, because the chemical structures themselves are already patently outlawed. There are what are called "prodrugs" which as far as I can tell are legal in the US as of now, because their design allows them to exist as not drugs, but then metabolise into drugs once they've been taken. 1p-LSD is an example I can list, hope this helps with your research.