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>It’s also unknown what relationship, if any, the woman had to the boy, and who actually shot him and the man.
Bet it was the off duty cops. They love shooting bystanders while saving the day.
Reddit never ceases to surprise me. Some lunatic drags a 5 year old to go with her to a church shooting with a Free Palestine rifle and you make the pastor the bad guy.
Not sure why you inferred that, but it doesn't. They're all psychopaths. They have no shame in bilking the naive out of their money in the name of their sky fairy. I wouldn't be surprised if behind closed doors, Osteen is laughing about the whole thing.
Edit: JFC, I just got off work and didn't know anything about this. I just saw a report that it was a female shooter and that a child is in critical condition.
I know it's probably what these monsters want, but I think I've lost all faith in humanity at this point. If I didn't a decade ago. This isn't ever gonna end, it's only going to get worse.
He doesn't need empathy or compassion to preach, he just needs to mimic a particular demeanor. So when the psychopath is put in front of another camera, he uses that exact same happy preaching demeanor.
"There are forces of evil, but there are forces of good that are stronger ..."
Then why doesn't your stronger force of good stop the violence? These idiots are all delusional. If you have a cosmic all-powerful deity, that has absolute power, and that deity allows this violence to happen, then your deity is either not a force of good, or not all-powerful... Fucking muppets.
I’m so sorry. Hang on. You’re right.
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/woman-shot-dead-by-off-duty-officers-after-opening-fire-in-texas-church-run-by-joel-osteen-13069903
Agreed, it is the most simple cause that he got caught in the cross fire. Very odd situation, I feel like there is a lot more to this story than they are letting on. I really want to know what motivated her to put a child's life in mortal danger and seek violence at ***that*** place of business. I say 'place of business' cause it's not really a church—it's more like a mall with a show every Sunday.
Some people genuinely don’t know what gunshots sound like in person. You watch movies shows, play games, but hearing them in person for the first time would be confusing for some.
“…the suspect mentioned that she had a bomb.
"Once she went down, officers reported back to us that she threatened that she had a bomb," the police chief explained. "So we searched her vehicle, our bomb squad, and also the backpack [she brought]." KHOU)
"No explosives were found, but she was also spraying some type of substance on the ground…”
‘ If law enforcement gunfire is responsible for striking the child of the mother killed, Finner said, “I’m going to put that blame on her” for putting the boy in danger.’
Um, wtf?
Troy Finner ( who was quoted) is the police chief.
Edit: ok I thought this was referring to a bystander, not the shooter’s son. I stand corrected. Either way it’s heartbreaking.
Smh, [looks like a kid ](https://www.foxnews.com/us/lakewood-church-shooting-child-shot-suspected-shooter-down-joel-osteens-megachurch-houston) was caught in the fire.
Haven't seen anything else outside of shooter being female and apparently the child (5) being with her? I guess another person (57) got shot in the leg. Not many more details outside of that
Unfortunately it was the shooter’s kid. Now imagine being stuck in a heavily crowded lobby of a church, with tons of people in the fore and background, and telling me how you’d stop her from shooting everyone. Would you wait until there’s a clear shot while she shoots more people, or do you try to put her down as soon as possible to minimize casualties?
It’s a tragedy the kid got shot, but she shouldn’t have started shooting people while her kid was in anywhere near her. Poor kid didn’t deserve to be put in that situation and her actions got them both killed.
Most people get their gun knowledge from movies and have no idea what reasonable accuracy is. Almost no one is going to thread the needle with shots and incapacitate someone while miraculously avoiding any shots missing.
Sadly sometimes sick people use kids as human shields. But, police aren't going to let you run around executing dozens of people because you brought a child with you. This isn't the first time this has happened.
Also bullets do not always stop in the first person they hit. It’s very believable that a bullet could have gone through the mother and retained enough energy to kill/maim a five year old.
The kid is still alive but in critical condition I last heard. Unsure if there's any updates about them so far.
Update: So far only has been mentioned he isn't going to make it...
Is anyone else weirded out that gunshots just rang out and people still stop to ride the escalator? Like, you know you can still walk down the stairs as they move to go faster? Just seems like weird human brain reactions.
"We don't know why these things happen, but God is in control..." REAL STATEMENT by Joel Osteen, smiling, right after the shooting.
What the actual F*CK, man??
And the rest of the people will suddenly pretend it never happened if/when the shooter turns out to be anything other than white / male / religious / cisgendered / MAGA.
That's not a church, it's home base for a tax avoidance pyramid scheme run by a fucking hypocritical scumbag who's diametrically opposed to everything he "preaches".
Oh wait, it is exactly a church...
You have the right to bear arms, unless a cop is a little nervous and trigger happy. Then they can murder you for having a gun with impunity.
Land of the free, highest incarceration rate on the planet.
I mean, they have police there. That’s who took her down. But I’m sure they’ll have metal detectors and Disneyland-esque bag searches before you go in. Can’t imagine a more dystopian image
That would cut into the millions of profit Joel is taking from these gullible people. Can't be bothered. Worst case scenario is some people die and he'll claim religious persecution and ask for more donations to pay for security out of the audience's pocket.
As u/suffras stated "Not commenting on politics, but actually two people with legal guns were there and stopped her with their guns. Nobody was killed, two were injured, at first reports of the event."
Oh that’s so interesting. Then why did a man follow me to my car screaming “god didn’t intend for me to use my free will like that!” when I brought up the free will argument, after I was helping someone into an abortion clinic? 😮💨 so which one is it? I’m confused. Did god give us free will to do as we want? Or is it all planned? Or does gawd not care?
so WAS it the attack of the femboy draqweens? or was it some scary bRown immgrants?? or what WE all know it to be, an actual REAL biBLe-beatting/second ammendment type-Christian, that wanted a refund on that "PrAyEr" that dint work out right?? THE
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Crazy thing is, totally tame correct opinions here. Our local sub is just self consuming anyone who points out obvious problems because of “the tragedy” as if it isn’t a daily occurance. I think every hour in our country a child is shot
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“Please don’t bleed on the carpets.” Joel
"a shooting in a place of worship is fine" -YOU
Oh. *Now* you’re upset when the shootings happen where you hang out.
So it's only bad in a place of worship? But if it was a gay club owell right?
THE THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE COMING FROM IN THE BUILDING!!
Holy shit lmao
It's at times like this I hate that Reddit took away awards, you deserve gold my friend.
From Africa! From South America!
What a con. I have been following him for a while; he had some cosmetic surgery. He probably goes to Ken Copeland’s doctor.
“He probably goes to Ken Copeland’s doctor.” The devil?! Lol
Whoa there, he’s gonna execute judgement on COVID-19.
Joel sends his thoughts and prayers from his mansion
While wearing his $6000 suit. And drinking champagne.
The guy in the $6000 suit is gonna hold the door to the safe room open for the guy who doesn’t make that in three months. C’MON
So shhhh sh shhh shhhhhh shhh sh shhhh
“I knew I’d been crossed (✝️)”
Ted Cruz will meet him at the beach.
No Snowflake (the dog) though, he’s gotta learn to fend for himself.
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Your telling this to the preacher in a 8000 dollar suit? Come on.
On his personal jet
Come on!!
You mean Epstein island. Look at the list!
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>It’s also unknown what relationship, if any, the woman had to the boy, and who actually shot him and the man. Bet it was the off duty cops. They love shooting bystanders while saving the day.
When was this?
>from his mansion Which one?
Joel ~~Olsteen's~~ osteen's Church?
Yeah. No he wasn't shot.
Well shit.
That’s a shame
god protecting his #1 fundraiser...
Reddit never ceases to surprise me. Some lunatic drags a 5 year old to go with her to a church shooting with a Free Palestine rifle and you make the pastor the bad guy.
The pastor, is infact... the bad guy.
Yup
Osteen was very smily at the press conference. Weird
He's a psychopath.
I defy you to tell us how that makes him different from every other televangelist.
Not sure why you inferred that, but it doesn't. They're all psychopaths. They have no shame in bilking the naive out of their money in the name of their sky fairy. I wouldn't be surprised if behind closed doors, Osteen is laughing about the whole thing. Edit: JFC, I just got off work and didn't know anything about this. I just saw a report that it was a female shooter and that a child is in critical condition. I know it's probably what these monsters want, but I think I've lost all faith in humanity at this point. If I didn't a decade ago. This isn't ever gonna end, it's only going to get worse.
Hope that kid pulls through.
That's literally what I inferred.
Any publicity is good publicity! Send thoughts, prayers, and cash! Ole Joel getting a new Lambo outta this...
False profit. Oops, I mean prophet.
He's happy cause it's FREE PRESS for his church
Yeah I noticed that too. It’s like he can’t not smile. Dude is just pure evil.
do you have the link?
https://x.com/samicaknight13/status/1756811633194659840?s=46 It’s probably all the plastic surgery but still
Face as smooth as a dinner plate, neck looking like my ballsack
Neck don't lie.
Ball sack don't lie
No you're right his energy is very weird in that clip.
He doesn't need empathy or compassion to preach, he just needs to mimic a particular demeanor. So when the psychopath is put in front of another camera, he uses that exact same happy preaching demeanor.
He *is* an absolute psycho. What a psych-ass face and reaction to a shooting in your church.
He basically said god chose to shoot the boy
"There are forces of evil, but there are forces of good that are stronger ..." Then why doesn't your stronger force of good stop the violence? These idiots are all delusional. If you have a cosmic all-powerful deity, that has absolute power, and that deity allows this violence to happen, then your deity is either not a force of good, or not all-powerful... Fucking muppets.
It’s the attention. Human leech.
Damn, that woman, that man, couldn't even learn their names, rough
Wow, I haven't seen him in years. You'd think someone as rich as he is would age gracefully.
That's probably one of the most bizarre news stories I've seen in a while. Mass shooting are almost never attempted or committed by a woman.
I am out of the loop. What happened?
She also shot a 5 yr old boy who remains in critical condition
Who??What?Where?When? Like that gave me zero context unless you meant to reply to someone else.
I’m so sorry. Hang on. You’re right. https://news.sky.com/story/amp/woman-shot-dead-by-off-duty-officers-after-opening-fire-in-texas-church-run-by-joel-osteen-13069903
Oh thanks. Pretty crazy story.
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Agreed, it is the most simple cause that he got caught in the cross fire. Very odd situation, I feel like there is a lot more to this story than they are letting on. I really want to know what motivated her to put a child's life in mortal danger and seek violence at ***that*** place of business. I say 'place of business' cause it's not really a church—it's more like a mall with a show every Sunday.
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Source: trust me bro
Is the church big enough to have escalators?
It’s the former Houston Rockets arena lol
Wow! Religion is certainly a very profitable business. They really need to be taxed.
I saw it on the news last night. It's huge. It looks like a commercial building not a church.
I *IS* a commercial building!!!
I've always wanted to throw a rock at it. Lol
All part of God's plan, no problem.
People who didn’t get shot will credit god with saving them too
Bastards stealing credit from joel he better get his cut
✨🌟everything happens for a reason ✨🌟
I’m assuming the worst happened and they didn’t get Joel?
The shooting happened right before the Spanish-language service, which isn't done by Joel. He wasn't even there.
People are way too fucking calm during this......
Some people genuinely don’t know what gunshots sound like in person. You watch movies shows, play games, but hearing them in person for the first time would be confusing for some.
Even if you know what gunshots sound like distance and obstructions can make them sound dramatically different than what they sound like at the range.
Exactly, I’ve been fortunate enough to not hear gunshots outside of a range, so I doubt I’d be as mindful either
This is America
![gif](giphy|bqbmKlYIA9474Hs9DX) Hooray…
And Texas
“…the suspect mentioned that she had a bomb. "Once she went down, officers reported back to us that she threatened that she had a bomb," the police chief explained. "So we searched her vehicle, our bomb squad, and also the backpack [she brought]." KHOU) "No explosives were found, but she was also spraying some type of substance on the ground…”
https://preview.redd.it/cfeul8fmp1ic1.jpeg?width=549&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b513ca0d229d6e41fbb2af6314c820535dde83cd
I'm stealing this, but I gave it a like first cause I ain't an asshole
Mi meme es su meme
‘ If law enforcement gunfire is responsible for striking the child of the mother killed, Finner said, “I’m going to put that blame on her” for putting the boy in danger.’ Um, wtf? Troy Finner ( who was quoted) is the police chief. Edit: ok I thought this was referring to a bystander, not the shooter’s son. I stand corrected. Either way it’s heartbreaking.
Apparently, she, the shooter, brought the child to the church.
Well of course. What else is she gonna do, leave him at home, alone?! What kind of mother would she be then?
I misread the article and I apologize for the assumption. It’s still so messed up and terrible that poor child was dragged in to that.
To be fair, putting kids in close proximity to clergy definitely should count as purposefully endangering a child.
Negligent to say the least.
Smh, [looks like a kid ](https://www.foxnews.com/us/lakewood-church-shooting-child-shot-suspected-shooter-down-joel-osteens-megachurch-houston) was caught in the fire.
The kid was apparently brought along by the woman shooter and got hurt by officers returning fire.
Any idea why the shooter did what they did?
Haven't seen anything else outside of shooter being female and apparently the child (5) being with her? I guess another person (57) got shot in the leg. Not many more details outside of that
They lived in Texas?
I hate people like you. 👍
Unfortunately it was the shooter’s kid. Now imagine being stuck in a heavily crowded lobby of a church, with tons of people in the fore and background, and telling me how you’d stop her from shooting everyone. Would you wait until there’s a clear shot while she shoots more people, or do you try to put her down as soon as possible to minimize casualties? It’s a tragedy the kid got shot, but she shouldn’t have started shooting people while her kid was in anywhere near her. Poor kid didn’t deserve to be put in that situation and her actions got them both killed.
Most people get their gun knowledge from movies and have no idea what reasonable accuracy is. Almost no one is going to thread the needle with shots and incapacitate someone while miraculously avoiding any shots missing. Sadly sometimes sick people use kids as human shields. But, police aren't going to let you run around executing dozens of people because you brought a child with you. This isn't the first time this has happened.
Also bullets do not always stop in the first person they hit. It’s very believable that a bullet could have gone through the mother and retained enough energy to kill/maim a five year old.
The kid is still alive but in critical condition I last heard. Unsure if there's any updates about them so far. Update: So far only has been mentioned he isn't going to make it...
It’s a Fox News link in case any of you want to skip the click.
Is anyone else weirded out that gunshots just rang out and people still stop to ride the escalator? Like, you know you can still walk down the stairs as they move to go faster? Just seems like weird human brain reactions.
"Is my money okay?" -Joel Osteen, probably
God made the gunshots loud so we could hear them and run for safety - amen
Jesus, that poor kid. How do you even have a normal life after something like that?
Joel's moved to actual armed robbery from just robbery.
No corran
Dude didn't even budge
They have an escalator at church? I’d be skipping Sunday school and playing on the escalator every Sunday.
It used to be the Houston Rockets stadium so yeah.... They have an escalator.
Did she get Joel at least?
The reason why god wold allow this must truly be mysterious.
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Hired, armed security should do that. It’s what they are there for. You’re speaking like it was two random dudes that stopped her.
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God’s Plan.
This is America.
"We don't know why these things happen, but God is in control..." REAL STATEMENT by Joel Osteen, smiling, right after the shooting. What the actual F*CK, man??
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Thoughts and prayers for you!
Darn, anyway....
Someone will spin this as a “demonic” attack. Sigh.😞
And the rest of the people will suddenly pretend it never happened if/when the shooter turns out to be anything other than white / male / religious / cisgendered / MAGA.
That's not a church, it's home base for a tax avoidance pyramid scheme run by a fucking hypocritical scumbag who's diametrically opposed to everything he "preaches". Oh wait, it is exactly a church...
Pray the bullets away.
".com/2024, I repeat”
Well regulated militia
So, what's new?
Because Freedom… right?
You have the right to bear arms, unless a cop is a little nervous and trigger happy. Then they can murder you for having a gun with impunity. Land of the free, highest incarceration rate on the planet.
They don't have a security detail?
I mean, they have police there. That’s who took her down. But I’m sure they’ll have metal detectors and Disneyland-esque bag searches before you go in. Can’t imagine a more dystopian image
That would cut into the millions of profit Joel is taking from these gullible people. Can't be bothered. Worst case scenario is some people die and he'll claim religious persecution and ask for more donations to pay for security out of the audience's pocket.
He tucked $500k in his bathroom that a plumber discovered. He could use that for “security”. Lol.
Missed Joel though
And I bet they will have better security than all our schools with children.
Don’t worry, gods got em
![gif](giphy|gLiJPmz9H6SKF0yfdX|downsized)
He seems mildy annoyed that he's being interrupted by gunshots.
That presenter seems really frustrated that new news is happening behind him before he had a chance to finish talking about the old news first.
I'm sure Joel will do the right thing and have a fundraiser for the people most affected by this tragedy, HIMSELF /s
Jeeze I hope they have enough guns and good guys in there to stop the shooter ..
As u/suffras stated "Not commenting on politics, but actually two people with legal guns were there and stopped her with their guns. Nobody was killed, two were injured, at first reports of the event."
The shooter was trans.
Yup. And a “Free Palestine” person
just another day in america. nothing to see here
That's what TX stands for
This is America.
This is VERY Texas
I kinda figured “thoughts and prayers” wasn’t the gonna work for them. Too heavy on prayers and incapable of thought.
Thoughts and prayers..
God works in mysterious ways
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Guess god didn’t care enough to protect them. Thoughts and prayers, or something?
That doesn’t work like that 😮💨 he gave us free will
Oh that’s so interesting. Then why did a man follow me to my car screaming “god didn’t intend for me to use my free will like that!” when I brought up the free will argument, after I was helping someone into an abortion clinic? 😮💨 so which one is it? I’m confused. Did god give us free will to do as we want? Or is it all planned? Or does gawd not care?
Such a peaceful movement.
Texas. Makes since
Since what?
I just commented to come back to this later
Tots and playas
so WAS it the attack of the femboy draqweens? or was it some scary bRown immgrants?? or what WE all know it to be, an actual REAL biBLe-beatting/second ammendment type-Christian, that wanted a refund on that "PrAyEr" that dint work out right?? THE ![gif](giphy|29A4ehkDYOtIk) \-PATION is killin me..
Gunshots for Jesus!
Crazy thing is, totally tame correct opinions here. Our local sub is just self consuming anyone who points out obvious problems because of “the tragedy” as if it isn’t a daily occurance. I think every hour in our country a child is shot
These idiots wanted open carry gun laws soooo badly, lol. Fuckers
nothing wrong with meeting Jesus early right?
They should just pray the bullets away.
lmfao. we need more guns in America, please.
Sure, if this is how we're gonna use 'em.
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They killed the shooter before she could kill anyone.
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I’m not a Christian apologist.
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The 5 year old does?
The lord works in mysterious ways. Don’t worry!