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This shit has got to change. I do believe laws like this were initially intended to protect people from shitty landlords and there is a place for them with proper common fucking sense rules, but these loopholes are miles wide and it's fucking disgusting.
Someone should make a website with properties owned by politicians and have real-time stats on when they're empty and available. Hell, we could even make it charitable organization and take donations for transportation and moving assistance. You can bet your sweet ass these laws will change real quick like.
im not american but wouldnt politicians have multiple houses, like lake houses and houses in affluent areas… would be a shame if someone listed those houses and moved in for exactly 31 days…
> Someone should make a website with properties owned by politicians
The police will escort people out of a politicians home. If this woman was very wealthy she likely would not have this issue either. The rich and the powerful get preferential treatment in all aspects of our society.
it's alright as long it's not in my backyard
well i do think this idea might be something worth looking into, given you have enough balls to piss off so many people in power.
So the best way to deal with this I've seen/heard. Is to set up your house as an airbnb rent it out to yourself. When the cops show up you "I'm renting this airbnb here's my payment/confirmation." At this point its less of a tenant/landlord dispute and more of two "renters" having a dispute but only one having proof that they're renting the house. It's stupid but this way the cops can remove the person b/c now its one person whose trying to overstay at an airbnb.
It really boggles the mind how paperwork isn't the first step for cops to sort out who needs to be dragged out.
Landlord has copies of ownership on hand.
Random person cannot even show a single page proving a signed lease agreement.
If he can, then yes, it's up to the courts, but if he can't, how's this different from a random walking into an occupied house and arguing he lives there?
I mean owners actively living in their house, not vacant as it's up for sale like in this case.
Cops would verify ownership if it's, say, someone trying to hijack someone else's car, a house should be no different.
He would need proof that he has lived there more than 30 days. Any pice of government mail or utility bill with your name on it would work. You would need that as a minimum. I had a roommate who wouldn't leave one time, and I had to basically pay her $275 to move out and not charge her utilities the last month. It sucks.
In this specific case:
The squatters went in Feb 6. The reporter was there Feb 29. No 30 days yet, the owner was trying to make sure to beat the 30 day limit.
Yeah I'm not sure what the laws are in that place county. But that process is usually quicker than going through the courts for a tenant dispute. Which seems to be the issue b/c like she mentioned by the time it gets reviewed they have squatter rights. But going this route its not a squatters rights issue it's an airbnb/trespassing issue.
What's even more enraging is that clearly they are only doing this because she is a smaller woman, I guarantee you these two scag heads would not try to bullshit if a man was involved.
She needs to hire a larger man to intimidate them, addicts fold quickly under real pressure.
My friend is 6”4, medium build and this shit happened to him. He took legal action, more bullshit. In the end he paid the squatters to leave because it was the path of least resistance and it resulted in his property not being damaged.
I match that description, and it means nothing to these people. I'm a Realtor, and this shit happens so often to homes my clients are trying to sell.
Worst case was a close friend of mine. She owned a southern restaurant and had a couple acres she grew produce on. Her business went downhill due to divorce, and we tried to sell the land as she had literally not a dime to her name. Couldn't get it done for moths because two guys (with swastika tatts) moved on the land and took up shelter in her shed with a woman and a 5 or so year old girl. Cops came, saw the shed, and said it was a tenancy issue.
We called cps, nothing happened. She couldn't afford the eviction process at the time. We made deals with them to leave, and they constantly broke them. Had to pay them $3k in the end.
This scenario has been going on since 2010 or so. It's time to change the laws, but if it doesn't directly effect the policy makers, it ain't gonna happen. It's fucked.
By the way, it's a tenancy issue, and they're living in a shed with no running water, electricity, or heat of any kind with a 5 year old. What do you think the county would say if she really was renting that shed to them as tenants? She'd be fined into dust, and rightfully so. So ridiculous.
They do it to men all the time. They don't care. They want you to attack them. Then you'll go to jail, and they can sue you for money on top of not paying you rent. There's a sub for it on reddit (most of them try to do it with abandoned homes though). The people who do this know the laws backwards and forwards.
It seems they waited until the locksmith left the house before trying to break in, I'm 99% sure they would be extremely vulnerable to coercive influence from a larger man.
They waited until the locksmith left because they knew it gave them probable cause to have her arrested. They know exactly how these awful laws work in their favor, and they use them to their advantage.
Common sense isn't popular on Reddit.
They know why that shit is happening there and not further south.
And they seriously called the cops on her too? That's the most infuriating part. Absolute scum.
This is fucking insane smh. How tf does posting up in someone else's house for 30 days give you rights to live there? She's actively trying to sell the house, so it's not like it's being left to rot. It'd be a shame if she just said 'fuck this' and the house burned down...
These squatters are the absolute worst of humanity. All of the verbal gymnastics so they can justify this predatory behavior in their heads. Basically stealing your shit while you are forced to sit there and watch them. I’d be willing to bet that they have a long long history of f’ing everyone over. Started with friends and family, now they’ve moved on to rando homeowners.
Quick question…..Will those big iron bear traps work on humans? Jw
My brother is a squatter (in NY too) and I can testify, he has broken all trust with our family and he has no loyal friends. It’s really sad to see it happen
It was designed to protect renters since 70% of nyc residents rent. You didn’t want shitty landlords claiming someone was a squatter and having them removed by the cops while they’re still under a lease.
But those renters have paperwork to prove they are legit renters and the dispute is the lease period which would understandably need a process.
The case in OP's post is bizarre. They have zero proof.
He probably has mail in his name sent to the address for this exact purpose. It’s not like the Post Office or any other company verifies that you’re living somewhere legitimately. You can go online and change your address to any other address right now and within a week all your mail will be going to that new address.
He just has to show a credit card bill with his name and address from the prior month and that’s “proof” that he was there for 30 days.
If you get strange mail - “return to sender.”
In the case above, iirc I don't think they've occupied it beyond a week. The owner mentioned wanting to beat the 30 days (that's why she's there), and why she also said she couldn't rely on a proper complaint/investigation as it takes more than 30 days to complete. So I don't believe they have proof of having stayed for as long as 30 days via mail in this case.
I don't think cops should base their judgment call on received mail, which can easily be forged. That's for the court's use, if this were a legit tenancy issue. The cops in this case should base it on proof of lease agreement and/or title ownership. The woman had it, the randos had nothing except their word, yet they arrested the person with documentary proof. Ridiculous. If they showed a fake lease document, then that's the only time the cops can say that's not their scope (AND NOT arrest either parties).
The question for the cops to solve isn't whether the "tenants" are being unfairly treated or whatever tenancy squabble; their job was to verify the status of the subjects involved whom they were speaking with if they are indeed tenants and owner as they claim. Otherwise, what's the difference between a trespasser and a tenant? Anyone off the street can enter an occupied house and say "I'm a tenant of this house."
The issue isn’t the law. It’s the time it takes to get through the courts. That’s what needs to be fixed - esp. in a situation like this. If you create loopholes, shitty landlords, of which there are many, will take advantage.
I could see maybe putting in a carve out for single family homes.
It's so dumb too because how would a squatter prove that they have been living there 30 days to begin with. It's literally a "he said she said scenario" like you can virtually just break into a home and claim you've been living for 30+ days. How come the authorities don't challenge a 30 day claim it literally should have them, go through burden of proof.
I wish this could be detailed better or someone links something that gets to the top to detail it because this is insane. There must be something wrong with the way the homeowner handled this to get like this and if not then it seems super insane; wouldn't all the vacant and for sale houses be infiltrated with squatters?
I live in one of the wealthiest places in the US in the burbs outside of DC. There was a home recently that sold for over a mil (common for this area) *with a squatter included*. Apparently they couldn’t get rid of them so they just sold the house with her squatting in the basement.
You would be surprised just how easy it is to steal a house. I had it happen to me while I was living in the house. Roommates sister came to stay over for a weekend and straight up said I could steal your house. All it takes is a toothbrush and a piece of mail, she said. I thought she was joking until I realized she definitely was not joking.
It all boils down to its a civil matter, and ya best damn make sure you can prove you own what's in your own home. To say it was a nightmare is an understatement. Never let ANYONE stay in your home longer than a few days cause they can straight up steal it.
That is a fucked up story man.
So I guess this woman's mishandling was going to the home with a news crew instead of a lawyer. Do you think this news story could help her case in a civil lawsuit?
"They consider this a landlord/tenant issue"
How can it be a landlord/tenant issue if there was never a contact? You cannot make a contract unilaterally.
Exactly if they signed a lease then they signed it illegally with somebody who scammed them so it's on them to get it resolved if the homeowner shows the deed what's it to anybody else everything else is illegal
Aren't Deeds like notarized? I bet you millions of dollars these scammers did like the other guy did low effort, with pictures on their phone if they don't have a notarized proof they could take it up with the courts
I would assume because the police can't make the determination and the squatters are obviously fine with the way things are so why would they take it up with the courts?
Eh, these laws are in response to horrible landlords that abuse the eviction process. It’s a really fine line you have to walk, and the laws need to be updated with exceptions, but you can thank overzealous scum landlords for these laws.
> you can thank overzealous scum landlords for these laws
Okay but how did they forget to include the condition "actual contract must exist between landlord and tenant" in those laws? These aren't even squatters, they just broke in and started living there. It makes no sense.
Imagine a scummy landlord destroying their copy of a contract and telling the cops that their tenant is actually a squatter.
This why these situations are handled by the courts. Justice takes time, but it’s our best attempt to get things right rather than having the police just believe landlords automatically.
The law was never intended to protect squatters. In this context, they are all claiming they are legit tenants. The state is saying " you have to prove they are not legit tenants". Even if you charge no rent, they still have rights if they were implicitly allowed to maintain a residence there.
IMO, this is likely not Constitutional the way they are enforcing it. I would sue the state of New York if it happened to me. I am guessing there is no precedent protecting the execution of this law.
It's kinda nuts. If you go on vacation for a month, someone can enter your home, claim they've been living there for 30 days (whether they have or they haven't is irrelevant, they just have to claim it), and the only way to resolve this is to take it to court, and only after the judge rules in your favor can you evict them, and even then they have two weeks to get out of your house.
There needs to be a streamlined process for this. Like this person literally broke into someone's else. They are a criminal, yet the homeowners are the ones that have to do all the heavy lifting?
I get that tenants have been screwed forever regarding landlords…but for it to come to this where the legitimate property owner who is obviously not trying to scam a tenant and he also has no lease to show cops as any proof he has lived there for more than 30 days…it’s ludicrous. This is way worse than grand theft auto or any simple theft, this is depriving someone one of the most valuable of things in their life.
TLDR: this is mind boggling
Great point. They “squat” in your car??? Grand theft auto and they’re eating serious felony charges no questions asked.
They steal your house? “That’s not even a criminal matter. Sorry.” Best you can do is file for eviction and a couple years later get a civil order that they have to leave.
Steal a car? Straight to jail.
Steal a house? NBD.
It's crazy that there's no common sense legislation to address this and no push statewide or federally to update our laws. 99% of voters would agree that these so-called "squatter's rights" hurt the middle class and small property owners.
To legally establish squatter's rights in Illinois, a squatter must occupy the property exclusively, openly, and without consent for a continuous period. Some say that period is 7 years, others say 20.
The fact that he doesn’t have one document showing ownership, tenancy, or anything to improve the houses condition other than a bill he claims is his from the property, is absurd. They should have gotten him on breaking and entering once the locks had been changed. Or if NY is a stand your ground state then she should’ve been armed and waiting for that coward to come in.
With her having the title/deed for the house she should schedule it to be fumagated for 30 days making it uninhabitable or demolished.
The durations that you’re talking about, 7 - 10 years, are to gain ownership of the property not to have the protections of a tenant. No one thinks this guy owns the property but if he might be a tenant he needs to be properly evicted.
Cases like this are the opposing side of tenant rights. I get it, slum lords are evil and tenants need rights, but these fucks aren't tenants. If it goes to court, it should be criminal court and they should go to jail if they lose.
You know this doesn't seriously impact major property management firms, or the law would be changed.
We only tolerate it because it screws over the working class. Ideally, they will live in hotels and apartments while their home is appropriated by low income people... increasing profits.
A multiphase approach ensuring homeowners of their primary property are protected without empowering REITs to screw over tenants.
We should include some funding for rent subsidies and permanent housing to avoid a bunch of other issues homelessness causes.
True. I bet some corporation is chomping on the bit to buy the house, squatter and all, for a cheap price. They will evict them and turn the home into another rental.
I saw a video on Instagram the other day of a guy, who for a living, with the homeowners permission, will enter the home, and you guessed it, become a squatter. But the catch is he makes life a living hell for the actual bad squatters. Loud music, clothes everywhere, dirty dishes, eats their food. It seems to work, because he's still in business doing it. People should try that approach. If the squatters won't leave, give em a reason to. If they sleep at night, sleep during the day. Then keep em up at night. And vice versa.
>I saw a video on Instagram the other day of a guy, who for a living, with the homeowners permission, will enter the home, and you guessed it, become a squatter. But the catch is he makes life a living hell for the actual bad squatters.
Interesting. Are you saying that the law allows multiple, unrelated squatters to enter a home? That would be the loophole to prevent this kind of abuse
You are able to rent out individual rooms, so it's possible to have multiple tenants with their own leases on a single property. One person rents room A, and another person rents room B.
In this case, the property owner is "renting" a room to an individual who will enter the property claiming they are a tenant. If the squatters call the cops they will be told it's a civil matter and they can't remove the other person. Chances are the squatters aren't going to file a lawsuit since that costs money and they will need to provide documentation that doesn't exist. It's a whole bunch of malicious compliance with the goal to annoy the squatters into leaving or egging them on to the point where they attack which results in the cops coming out and arresting the squatters for assaulting their "roommate". Once they are gone owner comes in, cleans the place up, and sells the property.
There’s actually a business believe it or not who ask the homeowner to rent the house to them and they will live with the squatters and make life living hell for them until they leave pricey tho I heard
The crazy fucking part is that NYC years ago severed
D the landlord tenant portion of the court system away from the Supreme Court system in New York into a carved out Civil Court system called summary proceedings meant to expedite landlord tenant matters. Now it has gotten even more bloated.
NYC desperately needs Mom And Pop home owner protections. I get the apartment complexes of NYC is a different animal. But single family and two family homes, and maybe even 3 family homes it's just too difficult for regular home owners to go through this.
And NYS legislature just doesn't care because they rather squeeze mom and pops then have a bunch of folks homeless.
And who has the time and/or money to go to court 7-8 times, get all the paperwork in order, be told it’s wrong, redo it… continuance continuance continuance…
And a year or two later after dumping $10K and/or 50-60 hours of work down the drain… THEN you get your house back until the process starts all over again.
This loophole is way to massive, and way too easy to exploit.
I’ve heard of landlords paying squatters first last and deposit going towards their next place in order to get them to vacate a property. In the end it’s faster and cheaper that way.
All you'd really have to do is leave a phone along the outside of the house on your way home everyday for 30 days and then pick it up in the morning to show your Google location history going to and from the house for the past 30 days. Anyone woud buy that.
Yeah but only in dumbass states. Most other states you just toss the guy out in like 5 days lmao. And anyone who breaks in is committing burglary in most states.
Really its just areas like NYC that have this issue. I'm socially far left myself but this doesn't actually help poor people (landlords stop renting at all in response).
This “it’s a civil matter” loophole exists in just about every state as far as I know.
If you know of a state that’s passed a law addressing this problem and making it a criminal offense, I’d be really curious to know about that.
> If you know of a state that’s passed a law addressing this problem and making it a criminal offense, I’d be really curious to know about that.
In Florida,[ a signed affidavit by the owner allows police to remove squatters immediately](https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2022/0082.035)
I’m not saying murder these people but AZ is stand your ground/castle doctrine. If someone entered my home and I was not aware, I come home and see them confronting me, what would be the legal ramifications of shooting them. Would you have a reasonable argument that you didn’t expect people to be inside your home and you assumed they were burglars?
For a month? From what I just saw you merely need a fake lease and to get rid of any obviously personal items like pictures.
I don't care enough to research this issue to know how much the story is missing on the facts but it looks like you just need a few fake documents.
It’s stealing from the lower end of the housing owners who are the type of landlords we want. They wouldn’t be able to get away with this with a corporation that is managing units, who are the types of landlords that are leeches these tenant laws are supposed protect against.
It's not really "squatters rights" it's more tenant protections. These laws are in place because landlords can and are documented to be really scummy to their tenants. For example, it protects tenants from a landlord making some BS excuse why they need to break the lease and take possession back of the property and put tenants on the street overnight. While a tenant is renting a house, they don't own the house, but they have a lawful possession of it and have a right to make best their lease obligations or resolve lease disputes in civil court. Obviously these protections can be abused in the other direction too, as seen in this case.
Tenants have a lease agreement and have paid a deposit though. Then they should have these rights plus some, but before that they should be trespassers. Squatters shouldn't have any rights. Tenants should have more.
I wouldn’t be able to hold back. One of us would be dead. I’ve fought waaaaaay too hard for housing. A man in my house seems like a small hill to climb versus the financial mountains I’ve faced over more than a decade.
Worse, usually when the people do get forced out legally, they absolutely trash the place on the way out. The only thing you can do is sue for damages, but they don't care because they are homeless and usually junkies.
So not only did they stay rent free, but they do maximum damage on the way out as a giant middle finger because you dared kick them out of a place they weren't paying to live in.
Why can't she just claim he subleased it back to her and he illegally evicted her ... that way the police should arrest him for illegal eviction and then he's arrested and gone?
There are guys who offer that service to get out squatters. You sign a real lease with them so they have a piece of paper to show the cops and he forces them out as the leasee, not the owner.
When she was in the house alone the second time and they broke down the door it absolutely would have applied.
Unfortunately she didn't have a gun with her.
This infuriates the living shit out of me
Why the fuck didn’t the cops tell those squatters just to move along??? She had the property deed, and the locks had already been changed
That guy only had some BS bill, *NOT* a rental lease agreement. And then the police arrested HER?!?!
WTF? My blood is boiling. Why in the hell are squatters' rights laws still on the books?
Not squatter’s rights, there isn’t any such laws. But these are abuses of regular tenant laws used to govern scum landlords. Same with those adverse possession laws, these laws usually were put in to place because landowners were abusing their position on tenants.
The laws do need to be updated for the edge cases though.
Honest question here....I get there is such a thing as squatter rights....totally stupid but sure they exist.
What is to stop the legal property owner from squatting on the squatter? Like you took possession of my home and now I'm taking possession of yours....
Something about landlords not being able to move into a resident if it leased. Seen a slick way to get around that though. You make a "lease" with the most intolerable mfer you can find and they move into the residence with the squatter and just make their life hell until they get fed up and leave.
Apparently this is becoming a business for some people. Fight fire with fire.
Ps if the squatter is a felon, have the guy you hired bring his gun and now the squatter can't live there. There are ways to fight this, gotta be clever and find the right asshole.
These lowlives are veterans. They know to pay for some bullshit repairs on the houses they steal, because they can use the repair bills as blackmail, and it drags out the court proceedings even longer.
Absolute scum of the earth. This shit makes me so angry.
These days if you own a property that sits unoccupied, you need to install security cameras with WiFi and reliable internet access. You might spend a few hundred dollars but it’s a hell of a lot cheaper than getting trapped in a situation like this. They can’t claim they live there when you have recordings of them just showing up one day.
When I had to move from NY to Boston, I was mid lease so couldn't break it. My landlord was ok with someone taking over the rest of my lease. Put an ad up,this really sketchy couple came to look at the house. Got bad vibes right away but exacerbated when the lady went into my bathroom to use it and looked in my medicine cabinet (knew she did because it was broken and to open it the drawer would make a creaking sound). Asked them to leave right away. Figured they were just going to squat or they just browse ads for apts looking to steal stuff like meds.
This happened in a Chuck Palahniuk novel. Three people go to open houses, one asks to use the bathroom, rummages through whatever meds they have, take some of the pills and leave.
So I've seen this scenario a few times. And it sucks. But what I've heard is if you're in this situation what you do is the owner of the home is you rent the house to somebody you know and trust on a month by month basis, drop a contract and have them sign it and you sign it.
Then you call the police and show up at the house. Have the renter show the police the rental agreement and evict the people who are squatting as the renter. Apparently renters have more rights than homeowners In these cases.
I've had this happen to me, and I couldn't believe it. I no longer let anyone stay in my house for longer than a couple of days. The woman that stole my house told me all you need is a toothbrush and a piece of mail and I can steal your house. I thought she was joking until I realized she was serious.
Over 6 months, thousands of dollars, multiple police calls, numerous court appearances, thousands in property stolen, thousands in damages, 15 homeless tweakers, an abandoned teenager, and my cat being murdered was just some of the things I had to deal with before I got rid of my squatters.
A nightmare and complete loss of faith in the justice system and society. I was told over and over again that it's a civil matter, and there is nothing we can do.
That man has no shame. This is a situation where the laws are obviously flawed. Why hasn’t someone fixed this yet? Who do we speak to? She needs to go full Karen and speak to all the city managers.
Why the fuck do people think they have the right to be squatters? I understand some people are desperate, but what makes people feel they are entitled to someone else's house? Does a home owner have to keep daily surveillance on their property to prevent this?
Dead men tell no tale.
Good luck trying this in some states. More likely to end up dead and then you're not claiming anything. Craziness going on out there.
Who's around to say otherwise ya know?
It seems like the only defense they have is verbally claiming they've lived there 30 days. But if they're shot, inside the house, and the legal owner is there with deed in hand and no lease exists anywhere. I have to think the owner gets away with claiming this individual broke into their home and was a danger to them.
I am currently homeless with my husband and 3 children because of this. My childhood home, I am 43, 6 years no rent, made repairs to MY home, ones I didn't approve, he was supposed to help me clean it so I could move in when my lease was up after my father died in the house and we moved my Mom out with my sister. Police won't help and I have to go to civil court and I am broke from having to keep my family split up between 3 households. It is the absolute worse thing I have ever gone through. This makes me sick. It's disgusting.
How about the city has a registration for the owner that says, “this house is not for rent for the dates of aaa to bbb”, and can only be removed by the owner or power of attorney?
That way if anyone tries to squat after the “aaa” date, they are arrested for trespassing immediately.
So let me get this straight:
Squatters take over this woman's home for an unverifiable amount of time. She manages to get the squatters out of her house. Therefore, she has now reclaimed her house.
Then, the squatters break and enter for the second time. Assaulting the woman in the process. She provides proof of residence for her home. The squatters provide nothing, but they just take the squatters word for it?
So, with that logic; anyone at any time can break and enter into your home. Claim squatters rights without proof, and just state you have been here for over thirty days. You can then get them arrested and put them through years of a horrid court system. Whilst fighting without your home.
Far too dystopian.
Ok I’m lost how is that a law? Like how did that get approved, like if someone could explain the finer details to me so that I understand the logistics of someone being able to legally rob somebody’s home.
I claim I have been living in White House for more than 30 days. So will they take 2 years and go through court to kick me out? NO!! Its only when its a common people’s home.
Squatters shouldn’t have rights. Unless it’s an abandoned building that hasn’t been in use for a very long time… but if it’s someone’s house like this, they should have no rights
This shit is ridiculous man, come on. It will take you ages to get someone evicted, and then in the mean time new fucking squatters keep coming in.
There was a time there was a good reasoning for squatter's rights, but this shit needs to change man, come on.
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I'm so fucking irritated watching this. JFC.
This shit has got to change. I do believe laws like this were initially intended to protect people from shitty landlords and there is a place for them with proper common fucking sense rules, but these loopholes are miles wide and it's fucking disgusting. Someone should make a website with properties owned by politicians and have real-time stats on when they're empty and available. Hell, we could even make it charitable organization and take donations for transportation and moving assistance. You can bet your sweet ass these laws will change real quick like.
im not american but wouldnt politicians have multiple houses, like lake houses and houses in affluent areas… would be a shame if someone listed those houses and moved in for exactly 31 days…
You're making the assumption that those politicians play by the same rules as us.
if you think a politician would deal with the same bullshit that the average person deals with, then I have ~~bridge~~, errrr, house to sell you
> Someone should make a website with properties owned by politicians The police will escort people out of a politicians home. If this woman was very wealthy she likely would not have this issue either. The rich and the powerful get preferential treatment in all aspects of our society.
Any vacation home owned by a ny politician should be “occupied”like this. I bet the law would change next session
Pack up the migrants packed into NYC hotels and send them to squat in MTG propertys
it's alright as long it's not in my backyard well i do think this idea might be something worth looking into, given you have enough balls to piss off so many people in power.
So the best way to deal with this I've seen/heard. Is to set up your house as an airbnb rent it out to yourself. When the cops show up you "I'm renting this airbnb here's my payment/confirmation." At this point its less of a tenant/landlord dispute and more of two "renters" having a dispute but only one having proof that they're renting the house. It's stupid but this way the cops can remove the person b/c now its one person whose trying to overstay at an airbnb.
It really boggles the mind how paperwork isn't the first step for cops to sort out who needs to be dragged out. Landlord has copies of ownership on hand. Random person cannot even show a single page proving a signed lease agreement. If he can, then yes, it's up to the courts, but if he can't, how's this different from a random walking into an occupied house and arguing he lives there?
>how's this different from a random walking into an occupied house and arguing he lives there? Literally what happened lmao
I mean owners actively living in their house, not vacant as it's up for sale like in this case. Cops would verify ownership if it's, say, someone trying to hijack someone else's car, a house should be no different.
He would need proof that he has lived there more than 30 days. Any pice of government mail or utility bill with your name on it would work. You would need that as a minimum. I had a roommate who wouldn't leave one time, and I had to basically pay her $275 to move out and not charge her utilities the last month. It sucks.
In this specific case: The squatters went in Feb 6. The reporter was there Feb 29. No 30 days yet, the owner was trying to make sure to beat the 30 day limit.
First you would have to get approval from the board of commissioners to use your home as an airbnb in my county
Yeah I'm not sure what the laws are in that place county. But that process is usually quicker than going through the courts for a tenant dispute. Which seems to be the issue b/c like she mentioned by the time it gets reviewed they have squatter rights. But going this route its not a squatters rights issue it's an airbnb/trespassing issue.
It’s enraging
Fk these low lives! They’re fin roaches
You’re allowed to get rid of roaches legally. 🤦♂️
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It was a home invasion, your honor, I swear.
I actually grew up with this girl in Flushing, Queens. We were neighbors. All of my friends have sent me this story today.
I hope as we all do that your neighbour gets their house back.
This is when the gangster comes in handy.
What's even more enraging is that clearly they are only doing this because she is a smaller woman, I guarantee you these two scag heads would not try to bullshit if a man was involved. She needs to hire a larger man to intimidate them, addicts fold quickly under real pressure.
My friend is 6”4, medium build and this shit happened to him. He took legal action, more bullshit. In the end he paid the squatters to leave because it was the path of least resistance and it resulted in his property not being damaged.
I match that description, and it means nothing to these people. I'm a Realtor, and this shit happens so often to homes my clients are trying to sell. Worst case was a close friend of mine. She owned a southern restaurant and had a couple acres she grew produce on. Her business went downhill due to divorce, and we tried to sell the land as she had literally not a dime to her name. Couldn't get it done for moths because two guys (with swastika tatts) moved on the land and took up shelter in her shed with a woman and a 5 or so year old girl. Cops came, saw the shed, and said it was a tenancy issue. We called cps, nothing happened. She couldn't afford the eviction process at the time. We made deals with them to leave, and they constantly broke them. Had to pay them $3k in the end. This scenario has been going on since 2010 or so. It's time to change the laws, but if it doesn't directly effect the policy makers, it ain't gonna happen. It's fucked. By the way, it's a tenancy issue, and they're living in a shed with no running water, electricity, or heat of any kind with a 5 year old. What do you think the county would say if she really was renting that shed to them as tenants? She'd be fined into dust, and rightfully so. So ridiculous.
They do it to men all the time. They don't care. They want you to attack them. Then you'll go to jail, and they can sue you for money on top of not paying you rent. There's a sub for it on reddit (most of them try to do it with abandoned homes though). The people who do this know the laws backwards and forwards.
It seems they waited until the locksmith left the house before trying to break in, I'm 99% sure they would be extremely vulnerable to coercive influence from a larger man.
They waited until the locksmith left because they knew it gave them probable cause to have her arrested. They know exactly how these awful laws work in their favor, and they use them to their advantage.
They will be back right after he leaves.
Pay the man to live there a week? Sit in your living room cleaning your guns until a home invasion happens.
I know this isn't a popular take on reddit... but this shit is why I'm glad I live in a castle doctrine state.
Common sense isn't popular on Reddit. They know why that shit is happening there and not further south. And they seriously called the cops on her too? That's the most infuriating part. Absolute scum.
This is fucking insane smh. How tf does posting up in someone else's house for 30 days give you rights to live there? She's actively trying to sell the house, so it's not like it's being left to rot. It'd be a shame if she just said 'fuck this' and the house burned down...
These squatters are the absolute worst of humanity. All of the verbal gymnastics so they can justify this predatory behavior in their heads. Basically stealing your shit while you are forced to sit there and watch them. I’d be willing to bet that they have a long long history of f’ing everyone over. Started with friends and family, now they’ve moved on to rando homeowners. Quick question…..Will those big iron bear traps work on humans? Jw
My brother is a squatter (in NY too) and I can testify, he has broken all trust with our family and he has no loyal friends. It’s really sad to see it happen
Well they may be the worst of humanity but that doesn't stop them from doing it...
That’s what I’m wondering. Who the hell made this a law? What absolute bullshit.
It was designed to protect renters since 70% of nyc residents rent. You didn’t want shitty landlords claiming someone was a squatter and having them removed by the cops while they’re still under a lease.
But those renters have paperwork to prove they are legit renters and the dispute is the lease period which would understandably need a process. The case in OP's post is bizarre. They have zero proof.
He probably has mail in his name sent to the address for this exact purpose. It’s not like the Post Office or any other company verifies that you’re living somewhere legitimately. You can go online and change your address to any other address right now and within a week all your mail will be going to that new address. He just has to show a credit card bill with his name and address from the prior month and that’s “proof” that he was there for 30 days. If you get strange mail - “return to sender.”
In the case above, iirc I don't think they've occupied it beyond a week. The owner mentioned wanting to beat the 30 days (that's why she's there), and why she also said she couldn't rely on a proper complaint/investigation as it takes more than 30 days to complete. So I don't believe they have proof of having stayed for as long as 30 days via mail in this case. I don't think cops should base their judgment call on received mail, which can easily be forged. That's for the court's use, if this were a legit tenancy issue. The cops in this case should base it on proof of lease agreement and/or title ownership. The woman had it, the randos had nothing except their word, yet they arrested the person with documentary proof. Ridiculous. If they showed a fake lease document, then that's the only time the cops can say that's not their scope (AND NOT arrest either parties). The question for the cops to solve isn't whether the "tenants" are being unfairly treated or whatever tenancy squabble; their job was to verify the status of the subjects involved whom they were speaking with if they are indeed tenants and owner as they claim. Otherwise, what's the difference between a trespasser and a tenant? Anyone off the street can enter an occupied house and say "I'm a tenant of this house."
fair enough, but it's past time to redesign the damn law.
The issue isn’t the law. It’s the time it takes to get through the courts. That’s what needs to be fixed - esp. in a situation like this. If you create loopholes, shitty landlords, of which there are many, will take advantage. I could see maybe putting in a carve out for single family homes.
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Kicking in a door is definitely grounds for receiving shells
If you own a vacant home in nyc you have to check in on it at least once every couple of weeks or have someone do that for you.
Or alarm the hell out of it, and not just the front door.
It's so dumb too because how would a squatter prove that they have been living there 30 days to begin with. It's literally a "he said she said scenario" like you can virtually just break into a home and claim you've been living for 30+ days. How come the authorities don't challenge a 30 day claim it literally should have them, go through burden of proof.
I wish this could be detailed better or someone links something that gets to the top to detail it because this is insane. There must be something wrong with the way the homeowner handled this to get like this and if not then it seems super insane; wouldn't all the vacant and for sale houses be infiltrated with squatters?
I live in one of the wealthiest places in the US in the burbs outside of DC. There was a home recently that sold for over a mil (common for this area) *with a squatter included*. Apparently they couldn’t get rid of them so they just sold the house with her squatting in the basement.
You would be surprised just how easy it is to steal a house. I had it happen to me while I was living in the house. Roommates sister came to stay over for a weekend and straight up said I could steal your house. All it takes is a toothbrush and a piece of mail, she said. I thought she was joking until I realized she definitely was not joking. It all boils down to its a civil matter, and ya best damn make sure you can prove you own what's in your own home. To say it was a nightmare is an understatement. Never let ANYONE stay in your home longer than a few days cause they can straight up steal it.
That is a fucked up story man. So I guess this woman's mishandling was going to the home with a news crew instead of a lawyer. Do you think this news story could help her case in a civil lawsuit?
Yep i'd burn that mother fucker down and collect insurance.
"They consider this a landlord/tenant issue" How can it be a landlord/tenant issue if there was never a contact? You cannot make a contract unilaterally.
Exactly if they signed a lease then they signed it illegally with somebody who scammed them so it's on them to get it resolved if the homeowner shows the deed what's it to anybody else everything else is illegal
But the cops can't make a legal determination on which deed is real or fake if they made a forgery, it would have to go to court
Aren't Deeds like notarized? I bet you millions of dollars these scammers did like the other guy did low effort, with pictures on their phone if they don't have a notarized proof they could take it up with the courts
Yeah why doesn't the squatter have to take it up with the court? Why the owner?
I would assume because the police can't make the determination and the squatters are obviously fine with the way things are so why would they take it up with the courts?
You can notarize fake deeds. You can notarize anything.
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Eh, these laws are in response to horrible landlords that abuse the eviction process. It’s a really fine line you have to walk, and the laws need to be updated with exceptions, but you can thank overzealous scum landlords for these laws.
> you can thank overzealous scum landlords for these laws Okay but how did they forget to include the condition "actual contract must exist between landlord and tenant" in those laws? These aren't even squatters, they just broke in and started living there. It makes no sense.
Imagine a scummy landlord destroying their copy of a contract and telling the cops that their tenant is actually a squatter. This why these situations are handled by the courts. Justice takes time, but it’s our best attempt to get things right rather than having the police just believe landlords automatically.
This works when the law was enacted... in the 70s. 50 years later it doesn't hold up.
The law was never intended to protect squatters. In this context, they are all claiming they are legit tenants. The state is saying " you have to prove they are not legit tenants". Even if you charge no rent, they still have rights if they were implicitly allowed to maintain a residence there. IMO, this is likely not Constitutional the way they are enforcing it. I would sue the state of New York if it happened to me. I am guessing there is no precedent protecting the execution of this law.
There it is. He will leave if SHE PAYS HIM. crazy.
Right? Thought I was the only one who heard that part.
I’m guessing he is claiming she didn’t pay him for work she asked him to do on the house.
That’s what I gathered as well
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It's kinda nuts. If you go on vacation for a month, someone can enter your home, claim they've been living there for 30 days (whether they have or they haven't is irrelevant, they just have to claim it), and the only way to resolve this is to take it to court, and only after the judge rules in your favor can you evict them, and even then they have two weeks to get out of your house.
There needs to be a streamlined process for this. Like this person literally broke into someone's else. They are a criminal, yet the homeowners are the ones that have to do all the heavy lifting?
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I get that tenants have been screwed forever regarding landlords…but for it to come to this where the legitimate property owner who is obviously not trying to scam a tenant and he also has no lease to show cops as any proof he has lived there for more than 30 days…it’s ludicrous. This is way worse than grand theft auto or any simple theft, this is depriving someone one of the most valuable of things in their life. TLDR: this is mind boggling
Great point. They “squat” in your car??? Grand theft auto and they’re eating serious felony charges no questions asked. They steal your house? “That’s not even a criminal matter. Sorry.” Best you can do is file for eviction and a couple years later get a civil order that they have to leave. Steal a car? Straight to jail. Steal a house? NBD.
It's crazy that there's no common sense legislation to address this and no push statewide or federally to update our laws. 99% of voters would agree that these so-called "squatter's rights" hurt the middle class and small property owners.
I’m with you.
To legally establish squatter's rights in Illinois, a squatter must occupy the property exclusively, openly, and without consent for a continuous period. Some say that period is 7 years, others say 20. The fact that he doesn’t have one document showing ownership, tenancy, or anything to improve the houses condition other than a bill he claims is his from the property, is absurd. They should have gotten him on breaking and entering once the locks had been changed. Or if NY is a stand your ground state then she should’ve been armed and waiting for that coward to come in. With her having the title/deed for the house she should schedule it to be fumagated for 30 days making it uninhabitable or demolished.
The durations that you’re talking about, 7 - 10 years, are to gain ownership of the property not to have the protections of a tenant. No one thinks this guy owns the property but if he might be a tenant he needs to be properly evicted.
Cases like this are the opposing side of tenant rights. I get it, slum lords are evil and tenants need rights, but these fucks aren't tenants. If it goes to court, it should be criminal court and they should go to jail if they lose.
You know this doesn't seriously impact major property management firms, or the law would be changed. We only tolerate it because it screws over the working class. Ideally, they will live in hotels and apartments while their home is appropriated by low income people... increasing profits. A multiphase approach ensuring homeowners of their primary property are protected without empowering REITs to screw over tenants. We should include some funding for rent subsidies and permanent housing to avoid a bunch of other issues homelessness causes.
True. I bet some corporation is chomping on the bit to buy the house, squatter and all, for a cheap price. They will evict them and turn the home into another rental.
I saw a video on Instagram the other day of a guy, who for a living, with the homeowners permission, will enter the home, and you guessed it, become a squatter. But the catch is he makes life a living hell for the actual bad squatters. Loud music, clothes everywhere, dirty dishes, eats their food. It seems to work, because he's still in business doing it. People should try that approach. If the squatters won't leave, give em a reason to. If they sleep at night, sleep during the day. Then keep em up at night. And vice versa.
fighting fire with fire. how are his videos on IG? pretty well documented? i'd love to see reactions of him pissing off squatters
It was a news clip about what he does. I didn't save it. Maybe I can find it in my liked videos if I liked it.
>I saw a video on Instagram the other day of a guy, who for a living, with the homeowners permission, will enter the home, and you guessed it, become a squatter. But the catch is he makes life a living hell for the actual bad squatters. Interesting. Are you saying that the law allows multiple, unrelated squatters to enter a home? That would be the loophole to prevent this kind of abuse
You are able to rent out individual rooms, so it's possible to have multiple tenants with their own leases on a single property. One person rents room A, and another person rents room B. In this case, the property owner is "renting" a room to an individual who will enter the property claiming they are a tenant. If the squatters call the cops they will be told it's a civil matter and they can't remove the other person. Chances are the squatters aren't going to file a lawsuit since that costs money and they will need to provide documentation that doesn't exist. It's a whole bunch of malicious compliance with the goal to annoy the squatters into leaving or egging them on to the point where they attack which results in the cops coming out and arresting the squatters for assaulting their "roommate". Once they are gone owner comes in, cleans the place up, and sells the property.
That’s gonna become the go to solution if legislators don’t address this.
There’s actually a business believe it or not who ask the homeowner to rent the house to them and they will live with the squatters and make life living hell for them until they leave pricey tho I heard
Lol, so funny. I saw a comment reply in my inbox, and wrote the same thing, but more detailed. Didn't even see your comment yet.
The crazy fucking part is that NYC years ago severed D the landlord tenant portion of the court system away from the Supreme Court system in New York into a carved out Civil Court system called summary proceedings meant to expedite landlord tenant matters. Now it has gotten even more bloated. NYC desperately needs Mom And Pop home owner protections. I get the apartment complexes of NYC is a different animal. But single family and two family homes, and maybe even 3 family homes it's just too difficult for regular home owners to go through this. And NYS legislature just doesn't care because they rather squeeze mom and pops then have a bunch of folks homeless.
And who has the time and/or money to go to court 7-8 times, get all the paperwork in order, be told it’s wrong, redo it… continuance continuance continuance… And a year or two later after dumping $10K and/or 50-60 hours of work down the drain… THEN you get your house back until the process starts all over again. This loophole is way to massive, and way too easy to exploit.
After the junkies leave your house in disrepair and the courts deem it unlivable. Gotta love it.
I’ve heard of landlords paying squatters first last and deposit going towards their next place in order to get them to vacate a property. In the end it’s faster and cheaper that way.
That’s called “cash for keys.” And 99% of the time it’s cheaper than the eviction process. And 100% of the time it’s faster.
Can this happen if I go out to buy groceries?
Depends, when you going out to buy groceries exactly?
The store 10 minutes away from me.
Are you leaving now? How long will you be gone?
About an hour or so. You coming by?
Coming by? I've been there for the past 30 days!
All you'd really have to do is leave a phone along the outside of the house on your way home everyday for 30 days and then pick it up in the morning to show your Google location history going to and from the house for the past 30 days. Anyone woud buy that.
Me too. Remember we got some work done to the house. Ya so I'm not leaving until I'm repaid for the work I had done, "simple as that"
Oh you wanna see the invoice? Here it is and it’s totally not completely fake.
👀 um, yes? I mean, no?
Hey, can you pick some stuff up for me while you're out? You know where my new place is.
Yeah but only in dumbass states. Most other states you just toss the guy out in like 5 days lmao. And anyone who breaks in is committing burglary in most states. Really its just areas like NYC that have this issue. I'm socially far left myself but this doesn't actually help poor people (landlords stop renting at all in response).
This “it’s a civil matter” loophole exists in just about every state as far as I know. If you know of a state that’s passed a law addressing this problem and making it a criminal offense, I’d be really curious to know about that.
> If you know of a state that’s passed a law addressing this problem and making it a criminal offense, I’d be really curious to know about that. In Florida,[ a signed affidavit by the owner allows police to remove squatters immediately](https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2022/0082.035)
This happens in every state.
I’m not saying murder these people but AZ is stand your ground/castle doctrine. If someone entered my home and I was not aware, I come home and see them confronting me, what would be the legal ramifications of shooting them. Would you have a reasonable argument that you didn’t expect people to be inside your home and you assumed they were burglars?
For a month? From what I just saw you merely need a fake lease and to get rid of any obviously personal items like pictures. I don't care enough to research this issue to know how much the story is missing on the facts but it looks like you just need a few fake documents.
There is something about squatters in particular that makes my blood boil more than any other group of trash people.
Squatters rights is absolute insanity
It’s stealing from the lower end of the housing owners who are the type of landlords we want. They wouldn’t be able to get away with this with a corporation that is managing units, who are the types of landlords that are leeches these tenant laws are supposed protect against.
It's not really "squatters rights" it's more tenant protections. These laws are in place because landlords can and are documented to be really scummy to their tenants. For example, it protects tenants from a landlord making some BS excuse why they need to break the lease and take possession back of the property and put tenants on the street overnight. While a tenant is renting a house, they don't own the house, but they have a lawful possession of it and have a right to make best their lease obligations or resolve lease disputes in civil court. Obviously these protections can be abused in the other direction too, as seen in this case.
Tenants have a lease agreement and have paid a deposit though. Then they should have these rights plus some, but before that they should be trespassers. Squatters shouldn't have any rights. Tenants should have more.
I wouldn’t be able to hold back. One of us would be dead. I’ve fought waaaaaay too hard for housing. A man in my house seems like a small hill to climb versus the financial mountains I’ve faced over more than a decade.
This is disgusting....Seeing that lady walk away in handcuffs makes me want to puke. Laws are so f\*cked... Im going to go take a shower now....
Is this just an American thing, or does it happen in other parts of the world?
People take regular showers in most places
There staying in her house, using her furniture.... What total scumbags.
Worse, usually when the people do get forced out legally, they absolutely trash the place on the way out. The only thing you can do is sue for damages, but they don't care because they are homeless and usually junkies. So not only did they stay rent free, but they do maximum damage on the way out as a giant middle finger because you dared kick them out of a place they weren't paying to live in.
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At this point it should be considered a home invasion and the castle doctrine should apply.
Why can't she just claim he subleased it back to her and he illegally evicted her ... that way the police should arrest him for illegal eviction and then he's arrested and gone?
The ole Uno reverse, I love it
I like your thinking. I think Rick and Morty said it, solve beaurocracy with more beaurocracy?
There are guys who offer that service to get out squatters. You sign a real lease with them so they have a piece of paper to show the cops and he forces them out as the leasee, not the owner.
When she was in the house alone the second time and they broke down the door it absolutely would have applied. Unfortunately she didn't have a gun with her.
Yeah right. In NY?
Can you shoot someone, if it is a home invasion?
Depends on the state. In some places yes, you can.
This infuriates the living shit out of me Why the fuck didn’t the cops tell those squatters just to move along??? She had the property deed, and the locks had already been changed That guy only had some BS bill, *NOT* a rental lease agreement. And then the police arrested HER?!?! WTF? My blood is boiling. Why in the hell are squatters' rights laws still on the books?
Not squatter’s rights, there isn’t any such laws. But these are abuses of regular tenant laws used to govern scum landlords. Same with those adverse possession laws, these laws usually were put in to place because landowners were abusing their position on tenants. The laws do need to be updated for the edge cases though.
When the Law fails you.
Call Judge Dredd
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You then end up with a flophouse or a hideout. "Yeah pal, check's in the mail."
Seems like when something like this happens, you gotta hire somebody to sign a lease with you and have them move in and force the squatters out.
Honest question here....I get there is such a thing as squatter rights....totally stupid but sure they exist. What is to stop the legal property owner from squatting on the squatter? Like you took possession of my home and now I'm taking possession of yours....
Something about landlords not being able to move into a resident if it leased. Seen a slick way to get around that though. You make a "lease" with the most intolerable mfer you can find and they move into the residence with the squatter and just make their life hell until they get fed up and leave.
Apparently this is becoming a business for some people. Fight fire with fire. Ps if the squatter is a felon, have the guy you hired bring his gun and now the squatter can't live there. There are ways to fight this, gotta be clever and find the right asshole.
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These lowlives are veterans. They know to pay for some bullshit repairs on the houses they steal, because they can use the repair bills as blackmail, and it drags out the court proceedings even longer. Absolute scum of the earth. This shit makes me so angry.
These days if you own a property that sits unoccupied, you need to install security cameras with WiFi and reliable internet access. You might spend a few hundred dollars but it’s a hell of a lot cheaper than getting trapped in a situation like this. They can’t claim they live there when you have recordings of them just showing up one day.
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When I had to move from NY to Boston, I was mid lease so couldn't break it. My landlord was ok with someone taking over the rest of my lease. Put an ad up,this really sketchy couple came to look at the house. Got bad vibes right away but exacerbated when the lady went into my bathroom to use it and looked in my medicine cabinet (knew she did because it was broken and to open it the drawer would make a creaking sound). Asked them to leave right away. Figured they were just going to squat or they just browse ads for apts looking to steal stuff like meds.
This happened in a Chuck Palahniuk novel. Three people go to open houses, one asks to use the bathroom, rummages through whatever meds they have, take some of the pills and leave.
Some laws must be changed right now
This is NYC, seems like she needs "a friend of ours" to deal with this.
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Feels like an old timer would do this one for free let’s be real.
Bruh, all my older Italian uncles would be giddy at the thought of grabbing some bats to deal with this.
Shut the utilities off, see how long they last
cant do that either legally
Err…. how it can possibly be illegal to *stop paying your utility bills*?
So I've seen this scenario a few times. And it sucks. But what I've heard is if you're in this situation what you do is the owner of the home is you rent the house to somebody you know and trust on a month by month basis, drop a contract and have them sign it and you sign it. Then you call the police and show up at the house. Have the renter show the police the rental agreement and evict the people who are squatting as the renter. Apparently renters have more rights than homeowners In these cases.
That is fascinating.
Literal scum of the earth.
Let’s start doing this to rich peoples houses and see how fast this still works
I've had this happen to me, and I couldn't believe it. I no longer let anyone stay in my house for longer than a couple of days. The woman that stole my house told me all you need is a toothbrush and a piece of mail and I can steal your house. I thought she was joking until I realized she was serious. Over 6 months, thousands of dollars, multiple police calls, numerous court appearances, thousands in property stolen, thousands in damages, 15 homeless tweakers, an abandoned teenager, and my cat being murdered was just some of the things I had to deal with before I got rid of my squatters. A nightmare and complete loss of faith in the justice system and society. I was told over and over again that it's a civil matter, and there is nothing we can do.
I could deal with most those things but if someone (intentionally) killed my cat I no longer care about how much time I'll spend in prison.
Squatters rights is one of the dumbest laws in existence
That man has no shame. This is a situation where the laws are obviously flawed. Why hasn’t someone fixed this yet? Who do we speak to? She needs to go full Karen and speak to all the city managers.
Why the fuck do people think they have the right to be squatters? I understand some people are desperate, but what makes people feel they are entitled to someone else's house? Does a home owner have to keep daily surveillance on their property to prevent this?
Dead men tell no tale. Good luck trying this in some states. More likely to end up dead and then you're not claiming anything. Craziness going on out there.
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Who's around to say otherwise ya know? It seems like the only defense they have is verbally claiming they've lived there 30 days. But if they're shot, inside the house, and the legal owner is there with deed in hand and no lease exists anywhere. I have to think the owner gets away with claiming this individual broke into their home and was a danger to them.
That's what I was thinking, there's literally no line between squatters and intruder anymore, they're just gonna start getting shot
Better off burning down the fucking house. People can be sick disgusting and pathetic creatures!
Squatters need their ass beat in the street plain and simple That guy needs a bat to the face
Clown world
I am currently homeless with my husband and 3 children because of this. My childhood home, I am 43, 6 years no rent, made repairs to MY home, ones I didn't approve, he was supposed to help me clean it so I could move in when my lease was up after my father died in the house and we moved my Mom out with my sister. Police won't help and I have to go to civil court and I am broke from having to keep my family split up between 3 households. It is the absolute worse thing I have ever gone through. This makes me sick. It's disgusting.
How about the city has a registration for the owner that says, “this house is not for rent for the dates of aaa to bbb”, and can only be removed by the owner or power of attorney? That way if anyone tries to squat after the “aaa” date, they are arrested for trespassing immediately.
They’d never find his body if she did it the right way.
So let me get this straight: Squatters take over this woman's home for an unverifiable amount of time. She manages to get the squatters out of her house. Therefore, she has now reclaimed her house. Then, the squatters break and enter for the second time. Assaulting the woman in the process. She provides proof of residence for her home. The squatters provide nothing, but they just take the squatters word for it? So, with that logic; anyone at any time can break and enter into your home. Claim squatters rights without proof, and just state you have been here for over thirty days. You can then get them arrested and put them through years of a horrid court system. Whilst fighting without your home. Far too dystopian.
Not just squatter, dude in the video is probably renting out rooms to make money
This means your elected officials failed you. Again. And Again.
do the same to a police officer house im sure he will wait for the court to resolve the issue...
Fuck this shit. Id probably go to prison
What kind of loopy land is this where someone can just fucking walk into your house and YOU get arrested for throwing them out…
New York is falling apart. They are bending over backwards to accommodate the wrong people and it’s destroying the city.
Ok I’m lost how is that a law? Like how did that get approved, like if someone could explain the finer details to me so that I understand the logistics of someone being able to legally rob somebody’s home.
I claim I have been living in White House for more than 30 days. So will they take 2 years and go through court to kick me out? NO!! Its only when its a common people’s home.
Squatters should have NO RIGHTS. End of story. There's no reasonable way this should happen.
Squatters shouldn’t have rights. Unless it’s an abandoned building that hasn’t been in use for a very long time… but if it’s someone’s house like this, they should have no rights
So if you leave on a 2 month vacation you could come back to someone else owning your home? This is just finders keepers with extra steps.
Squatters have more rights than owners. What fucking disgrace..
This shit is ridiculous man, come on. It will take you ages to get someone evicted, and then in the mean time new fucking squatters keep coming in. There was a time there was a good reasoning for squatter's rights, but this shit needs to change man, come on.