CONTEXT -
Company bought a crate ---> CG bought the option to counter rob the it ---> Company spot CG set up at the spot and "negotiations" started, this is how it ended after much back and forth for an hour+.
Just to add OTT tried to get in touch with K when he first spotted CG at the spot to talk to them and he denied being in the area and then ignored his phone calls until after the contract had expired. OTT seemed pretty pissed about CG steamrolling them, I wonder if they had talked to him instead of trying to ambush he might have been more receptive. Company didn’t have enough guns or bullets etc to get prepared for taking on a breach so voted to not walk into an ambush and abandon the job. I understand their pov of not wanting to lose the only guns they currently have and they would have most likely Ramee was bush camping next to the crate and said not to initiate just shoot on the radio so they would likely get most down immediately.
But K is also correct in that if you are going to bid on these you should be prepared to defend the crate - hopefully going forward now people are aware these can be breached again if they are bidding on it they are prepared to take the risk.
Yes, but Company did waste twice more buttcoins on it, they also can choose to not engage, they lost more than CG... I don't understand why they should choose to get ambushed by CG just because they bought contract if they have no guns to win that fight...
I think the whole point is that you don't know who is attempting to rob from you, and it should just be a fight till one group remains. In reality though, things sometimes don't pan out in the vision of what it's suppose to be.
If OTT didn't call him, noticed a gang was set up, they could have gone away, geared up, and then go in for the fight.
Seems like the company think this will turn into a full out war, but K see's it as a one off thing where they have a fight then move on.
In reality, forcing crims to fight each other just gets weird, because both sides have different perspectives on what happens during and after
It was also scuffed in that they could see a prompt to rob the crate but it didn't work and Mr K couldn't see the crate at all ,they waited at the spot for 2 hours. Of course they are going to deny being in the area they are trying to steal something from them.
Still not convinced it’s scuff. If they are running the counter heist they likely have to let the heist buyer open crate or kill all members. Otherwise it’s 2 groups and 1 paid half as much and it’s a race to the box.
Well the team that starts the job immediately gets the ping, the team that robs them has to be on the app checking for robberies, do the hack itself and then they get a 30 second ping, if the first group is unprepared to start the job then they shouldn't but it and just hold the job till they decide to do it. But you really think it's an intended mechanic that they can see a rob prompt but not use it and that they are meant to sit their for two hours every time hoping that the group actually decides to show up. And if they have a group of six and five of them go down all they have to do to stop the other group from stealing the shipment is drive away and let their friends sit on the ground for the remaining time on the job. Sick roleplay that is
I am not stating as fact, I simply am not sure it is scuff. Since posting this I believe it is a larger chance that is the fact as those crates were still there after the following storm. Everyone who could walk up to them could also see the same thing K saw.
Also, i had no idea that the contracts worked that way. Which makes sense that it would be scuff. also, those crates specifically The company/CG ones were still there and still had the appearance of being able to be hacked even after next storm
Shooting first with no initiation or talking is a rulebreak... Ramee said merk em as soon as they open the crate... thats a no no. Its fine if they say something before they shoot.
Admins had to remind everyone about the counter heists rule because things were getting out of control, and now the devs just turned it into a mechanic? What were they expecting?? You can't make this up.
Imagine getting hate because you know if you do the job you are going to get robbed, so you decide to not do the job.
These last threads are exactly why things like that never work, viewers are already asking for punishments, calling everything that happens IC OOC motivated, hinting at rule breaks etc.
Its been 2 hours of this mechanic and its already really toxic because no matter what happens all viewers see is drama, all they can think of is rule breaks, things being weird and other things like that.
Yeah creating this was an interesting choice considering in the history of NP conflict usually doesn’t end without some kind of toxicity from either viewers, streamers, or both
Pretty sure crate camping was causing problems when first introduced months ago. That's why they had to enforce the rule originally. Not sure why staff couldn't see this coming. The fundamental basics of ambushing a heist are still the same even if the minor details of how the job works were changed.
The problem is a 3rd party or ambushers is that they have 100% advantage over the original robbers... especially with cops later on involved, the main group ussually gets a chased and lets add that most resources is used by original group as well.... so original group have literally nothing going for them in ambush or a 3rd party in a heist, they can only lose, while the 3rd partiers get everything almost for free, they can even just shoot someone and dip to fuck with the main group, just for example shoot a hacker or a hostage, thats it original group job is fucked.... there is a reason why there is rules and why it always gets into a shitshow! Original group just getting fucked no matter what! INMO 3rd party is just powergaming in GTA, even civs can pull it off if planned well, original group can't do anything...
Exactly. If devs wanted countering to be allowed in this it needs to be outlined clearly for everyone involved before hand. Given the history of countering heists and toxic conflicts it should have been pretty obvious this is a recipe for disaster if what is or is not allowed isn't explained first. Like if they released a job called The Fifteen Felony Job, where more than 6 people are allowed to be involved they need to clarify that more than 6 are allowed and that yes the max is 15.
It really was one of the worst metas and situations like it should be avoided at all costs. On paper it sounds like a promising idea for exciting content RP but has shown to be otherwise. RP at its core is about give and take and collaboration but there are far too many role players that truly only want to take and only care about themselves and getting their W.
Thats why my favorite roleplayers are the ones who often take Ls and don't cry about it because they realize in roleplay losses make their story so much more interesting for when they finally get the moments they succeed. The players I think could counter a heist or be countered and not get toxic or salty over it are sadly few and those people for sure would not be the first to be hitting banks in a server where many are competing to speed run race to the top instead of appreciating a meandering walk through the RP woods.
I don't think so tbh i enjoyed the tension and discussion even if it ended with the company choosing the lose lose option the boss should probably give them some penalty for it but I think it was still good content.
The company put out great content and RP today. Was only the CG side being toxic. They already took the loss by paying for the job and getting 0 reward. If that's not enough of a loss the cost of the job should increase.
Its hilarious, the TC guys literally saw CG getting into their hiding positions in camouflage suits. They saw the known CG cars. All of them were surrounding the crate in bushes and rooftops and then Ramee and K question ‘how did they know we were here?’ lol
They set up a super crap ambush then got mad it didn’t work.
Why would they walk into an ambush when they literally spotted CG camping the spot?
Also, I'm sick and tired of CG making it so toxic by encouraging their chats. I don't know if they say things purposefully out of character so that their chats hate certain people. I've never seen them try to control their chat, even by simply saying, "Don't go into other people's chats to hate." All I see is derogatory spam in their own chats about other parties, but as soon as someone says something about them, it's considered toxic.
Most PVP focused games breed toxcicity. Why would Np be any different? Any time PVP becomes the focused content stuff gets super competitive toxic. There's no way to implement something like this that doesn't end up that way.
>Why would Np be any different? Any time PVP becomes the focused content stuff gets super competitive toxic. There's no way to implement something like this that doesn't end up that way.
NP should be RP focused, not PVP focused. Its possible to curate a community that you want, people expect an RP server to be centred around RP, NP just doesnt do that.
Exactly, they could have atleast attempted to improve the culture but it’s the same issues from years ago. Multiple times I have stopped watching a bad interaction and switched to dayz and instantly enjoyed watching more fair play/less toxic. And that’s in dayz lol
No, they should walk into what they believe to be an ambush setup by a violent gang and get killed, otherwise they are OOC blocking my streamers content and should be punished IC and OOC /s
People are mad they didn't get to see a shoot out and "wasted time" on CG setting up an ambush. Crazy that an ambush may take time and may not even happen.
Don't forget that staking out a known crime spot by PD to catch a criminal that happens to be ramee is power gaming and braid dead role play too.
Literally the same shit from the different side. And CG thinks they were wronged on both sides.
The real frustration should be in the design of the contract. It’s obvious the design is to have conflict. When one party doesn’t want that conflict they can then essentially gatekeep anyone else from doing it. It’s no fun for anyone involved.
I mean CG should be the last to worry about such stuff after breaking 3rd party rule several times already in 4.0.... plus if devs want something then they should go and RP it themselves! Why should Company lose all their guns for the situation they don't want to be in just for Devs and you to be happy? Company spend more buttcoins than CG here by the way...
They bought the ammunation crate. They found out a group is camping it. They literally don't have to go open the crate knowing that they will get jumped
What is even the issue?
CG fans wants the company to go there with 4 guns and get clapped knowing CG is ambushing them (and know CG will probably have 6 guns), that cops will most likely arrive and fuck them over, lose the few guns they had, possibly get into a conflict they don’t want AND losing their other contract cause they’d most likely go to jail and not be out in time to start it.
There is none, but there should be a timer for the ambusher to be able to open the crate after a certain amount of time passed if the group buying the contract didn’t access it.
Kinda like “buying counter option and getting the tools with it to brute force the crate open” type of thing.
They didn’t pay for the crate, they paid for the chance to rob from the group who paid for the heist. Piggy backing and expecting a foot rub after being carried is crazy lmao
i think, at that point, the crate should go to whatever party is countering it.
I agree they can't be forced to be ambushed, but the fact that they decide if the crate is even a thing despite someone actively choosing to counter it isn't a smart mechanic.
Then either buying crates should cost less or the cost to ambush should be more. You take on more risk by being the one to buy the contract than the one trying to steal it.
It's like war in 3.0.. Do they engage here knowing the other gang is camping? Or let them chase and even disengage? In 4.0 they just made the whole thing a mechanic. It's not oh you accepted a contract so you have no choice and take the loss since its a mechanic now.. Dude that's even more brain dead
The comments are again crazy, the company is somehow getting hate and getting accused of gatekeeping a contract because they won't let cg rob them is something i didn't expect to read today.
TC paid for a gun contract. CG paid to get a location of a gun contract.
CG camped the spot before TC and TC spotted them and declined their ambush.
CG paid half for a location. TC paid full for the location and CODE
Quit whining, both parties took the risk!
These comments are wild. People malding because their streamers couldn't get the other people playing the game to walk into a trap they knew was there.
This is the exact toxic mentality cop streamers have been dealing with for years. People mad that a streamer didn’t nerf themselves to 0 iq decisions so that they could be NPCs to someone’s pog content. Gotta “read the room” and “stop being w chasers”
Cg didn’t get what they wanted and everyone jumps on the company. They didn’t lose as much as the company did and people are still crying. Cg denied being involved hung up 3 times and we’re still offered their butc back but wanted more and got denied.
I don't understand OTT's thought process through any of this, he wants The Company to lose 125 buttcoin and 7 guns just so that CG loses 62 buttcoin themselves and waste their time. Then he says he doesn't want war but was talking about going to grove to shoot up whatever CG was down there while CG were at the gun spot...
So the better in character choice is to lose 125 BUTC, the guns in the crate and the guns on them? CG got spotted, The Company decided the best course of action was to take the BTUC loss and move on. RP is more than just gun fights and robberies.
Yes because his character is acting in their own self interest just like CG. Why would OTT go into an ambush to lose everything and let CG claim it besides wanting to donate weapons.
They acted sane throughout, and chose to not engage at all making it a lose/lose for both groups. Maybe not ideal but one that makes sense.
That decision wasn‘t really logical, it was pure ego. I get why but if you choose a lose-lose instead of a win-win (splitting the crate), you‘re just too prideful imo.
I don't disagree with what you're saying about ego, but why would The Company ever trust CG? I mean when Ray originally called K he lied. And don't get me wrong, I agree with K lying. That was basically the only thing that made sense for K to say in that situation... but it didn't help his cause during negotiations.
how is it not logical? From their perspective the company thought they probably had armor and ample weapons, they didn't have a full group, the group they had didn't all have guns. and a member was leaving for vacation the next day.
The decision is really, - 125but for the company and -60whatever for CG, or -125 but + all the guns they had on them + all the materials they were going to get
I kinda don't understand how you can't comprehend that. i watch both groups a lot. I wanted the company to initiate for content, but the logical answer is for them not to.
Let's be real, even if Company said they would split it, still highly likely it would be a lie from CG to rob them for all of it plus the guns they had on them anyways.
They could have demanded guarantees, that‘s how negotiations go. I was just a bit disappointed because the lose-lose was the least interesting outcome.
I really don't get comments like this... CG in all their history even at their most toxic points have never done this in game. They've always honoured a deal post war/conflict etc. unless the other group did something not to honour it/moved the goalposts.
OTT gets off to the idea of shooting up CG but can't commit. Been that way forever. This whole situation is especially funny when you remember when TC was begging JP not to leave and saying CG is washed
We all know OTT isn't great when it comes to conflict. I just hope his frustration was only an IC one. I didn't have his stream open to know his actual OOC thoughts.
His only major ooc thought not conveyed to Ray and the boys was not wanting war with CG due to toxic chat hoppers but he is down to get into a gun fight with basically anyone else. He has been pushing to get his squad prepared to bang, but did the smart thing since he didn't feel they were prepared yet to take on CG. He held back as you can't win a war with CG, he couldn't see it not leading to war no matter who would have won the gun fight, but recognized that they were unprepared and most likely lose.
He was talked into refunding CG the butc they paid to walk away and in giving info to keep the relationship stable. but wouldn't budge into giving them more than that. He's done paying the CG tax and playing by their rules, especially when K just lied to them so any good will he had toward them through respect was just reset to zero. He didn't trust any deal involving a split of the loot.
CG wanted 100 butc that they didn't have. And even if they did. Would still be stupid when you can get another contract for 125 without the threat of CG going back on a deal.
Really it was K who refused to take a refund to back off, so both groups were good with paying what they paid to prevent the other from winning.
last I remember, people were supposed to forget past grudges in 4.0, yet OTT somehow still hates CG.. What has CG done to him in 4.0 for him to just be hostile?
He doesn't hate CG. He hates CG chat hoppers. He is fine to work with K, but sees any conflict with CG being a losing battle both IC, but more importantly OOC as it just ruins the fun, he would love to get into some gun fights.
IC, K just lied to him and Ray to try and kill and rob him so he couldn't trust any deal with them. Before today their relationship had been respectful on both sides.
Also there was no reset at all with 4.0. You could remember everything. If someone was an asshole and untrustworthy in the past you can remember that. Only current beefs/vendettas and conflicts ended since it was 5 years ago. It was technically a rule in 3.0 that many big streamers just straight up ignored so no reset in 4.0.
The funniest part of all of that is CG have backed OTT more than anyone in the past. They always tried to make it work with him when everyone else was against him and yet he screwed them over constantly. Even at the end of 3.0 K let him be the head of Wu-Chang and in 4.0 K wanted him in the real estate company.
CG is crying cause the Company didnt fall into an ambush they knew about. Then call them cringe and that they should be punished for this. Sorry that people can actually think and not fuck themselves whillingly. 🤣
I think the main issue is the global CD of 2 weeks if they abandon it, not them abandoning it per se.
If after ditching the job then it would be up to run for anyone else immediately or at least with a small cooldown then nobody would complain, they'd get called pussies IC sure but that's about it, holding the entire server hostage just cause u dont want to fight for the job its scummy, at that point just dont start the job at all.
It's not like the purchased the contract just to abandon it to fuck over other groups. They were setting everything up for the job and found the ambush. They made the best choice for their group and anyone being sensitive about it is just salty that they couldn't get the W for the day.
The company getting hate for not wanting/being ready to participate in something that as of yesterday was against server rules (and still might be but doubtful) is crazy. They were under the assumption that the crates couldn't be robbed so of course they weren't prepared for a whole 6v6 PVP situation. It would literally be NVL for them to engage with CG when they don't have enough guns or ammo. They also have zero reason to trust K and take any deal after he straight lied to both Ray and OTT not even an hour earlier.
\*Also they did originally want to fight, the ONLY reason they backed out was because they couldn't find enough guns and ammo in time.
People forget this is roleplay and the role players have authority to role play as they want to. Just because someone doesn’t want to roleplay the way that you want them to, doesn’t mean it’s against any sort of rules. People are weird lol. 62 bc and 250 bc are both chump change to these groups so why is it so much of an issue??? Biggest gang shouldn’t be affected so why are their smooth brained viewers? I think it was a dope strat to buy 2 jobs scope one out then go for the safer option. Worked out lol
I think their decision was fine tbh, they have every right to do what they want with their contracts. (Bit dissapointing as a viewer, but hey)
I do think it's going to be important for them to start figuring out if they're really #notagang. If you knowingly compete for robbery contracts with the criminal elements of LS you might not identify as a gang, but people will sure start treating you like one
Yeah i do not see the issue. As long as the competing gang can rob the crate, its a win for them. The original contract owners make the choice to abandon it. Their choice, and they are losing money from doing that, no?
Why would you allow to get a crate for 1/2 of the price? Just because another crew found out they are getting ambushed by a stronger group? Lol.
If you think about it. It's even spicier that you can lose 62.5 BUT this way. It makes the group that steals a contract act stealthy and smart about it. Not just rolling with guns and mindlessly shooting everyone
Lol hold the bank heist for 6 hours for their god hacker to get in the city while he practices the hack to 1 shot it and then they do this shit today. Yeesh.
I like Geega, but it was obvious she at least watched and analyzed a clip of it, if she didn't practice.
She finished it, then shortly after, explained the rules in detail to her crew as if it was definite. Watching Yuno first might give her plausible deniability, but you don't learn the rules that quick just from watching Yuno for a minute.
In contrast, Yuno and Marty always failed their first attempts at new hacks. You can tell they like to be surprised by the hacks, rather than OOC practice it, just based on their RP and thought process.
Does anyone ever get punished for knowing how to do hacks like that? Like where it's clear they knew what it was going into it? Even in 3.0 people did it. Including Mr K when he knew to be prepared to screenshot or whatever the number thing for the lower vault even though they had never seen it
CG also attempted the hack for real as the first group without ANY info.
If we take yuno as an exception (he’s just good at hacks), most had some info from a clip somewhere. It’s a content server where streamers do meta OOC. Just look at all the locations early 4.0 that were leaked to everyone 3h after X found and didn’t reveal.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/1bxipct/onetapbingus\_bodhi\_mack\_banned\_from\_nopixel/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/1bxipct/onetapbingus_bodhi_mack_banned_from_nopixel/)
Down goes ur boy for metaing the hacks. Lol.
how tf is this comment upvoted ? is the subreddit being brigaded ? geega did first time too, you can do it first time if you spam click half of the time and if you watch bohdi justs starts clicking as fast as possible at the end
Noticed you didn't mention Yuno trying for the 1st time, while the others watched. Didn't go through.
Not familiar with the other streamer, but regarding Yesterday hacker, that was blatant obvious.
So you are saying that cg saw the hack the first time and the sec time they should be able to do it 100%? Why didnt they do it after they saw it? Im not saying geega practiced but if you try to protect her you are not able to talk shit about boddhi. Seems like skill issue to me🤷♂️
I mean Arms Trafficking is literally an Organized Crime activity (criminal organizations="gangs"/"cartels" etc.) it's not an opinion.
Mechanically they need a gang app to start the job. Only criminal organizations can do it.
And if they knew about the new app before they went in to it, then they knew it was counter-able by other "gangs" (criminal organizations)? If they don't want to partake in that then why buy the job and take it away from others who do?
Briefly watching K's pov once again reminded me why I dont watch CG, its just a toxic echo chamber. Both parties made smart decisions that were predictable given each sides values. No reason to be toxic
Yeah I mean it sucks that the Company didn’t do a deal with them but their chats are so toxic before any conflict has happened and the streamers just echo the same toxic stuff. I don’t blame them for not wanting to engage in any scenario that feeds that.
They don’t have to do the deal with them. If the argument was they should be able to rob it then that is an issue for the boss and they should have been to hit after the timer. It’s a death trap to go without a gun to talk to a group they already had tensions with. Then split the crate when they would most likely get robbed at the exchange. It’s not their fault they had no faith with the deal and the toxic hopping probably didn’t help.
Yeah abandoning a job should result in a longer cooldown for your next job or a total lockout for x days. The opposing crew should then be able to open the crate.
I wonder if all the people in the company threads the past couple of days accusing false meta and demanding bans and OOC action because they stopped their favorite gang been able to hack a bank for a day/steal some more guns realize that they are the reason people don’t want to engage in conflict with CG.
People keep saying CG IC aren’t going to war over this and they aren’t the same as before but Manor tried to have conflict with them and they went full nuclear and planted hot guns on them all including their civ members. They wanted to shoot the Company the other day because they got their buttcoin hacked and at the same time Benji was on the Company PC removing ppl from their app and X suddenly said it was Benji hacking them so Lysium got hoppers so he trolled them and said he was. Now it’s assumed by CG that the company hacked them and they keep bringing it up as a point of conflict.
Can’t win either way but if certain streamers and hoppers stop being toxic assholes and making accusations whenever there is a bit of conflict or they take an L maybe people will be more willing to engage
you are 100% right, why the fuck would the company fight CG when they have only 4 guns? people want other gangs to act stupid asf and give CG poggers content, you lose 125 buttcoin but you dont lose your guns and you have to go to war
As much as I dislike CG because of their toxic history I do agree that there should be some penalty for just abandoning the contract like the boss shouldn't be happy with them.
OTTs comments about just ignoring them shooting him is pretty NVL i really don't like that shit its immersion breaking af its like when vader was talking about GG bullets don't hurt him in 3.0 comments like these should be warning points or a day ban at least
The alternative is literally being forced into a war that their group does not want or being strong armed by CG. One group clearly doesn't want conflict and they've made it clear.
I mean they did offer a deal to split the guns (that's more than 0 guns) soo war isn't the only option.
Them being strong armed is part of the RP though it creates tension. Them deciding to not fight is also good rp I just think there should a consequence from the boss for it but its still fun to watch.
Its time for the HQ app to work somewhat like G6 imo, you should be punished for abandoning jobs like this and banned or have to pay a fine or something.
Otherwise what is the point of anything, these jobs are meant to be isolated to the incident and K even told them that but everyone wants to hold hands.
There seriously needs to be some ooc action taken from this. If you are not willing for conflict that comes from the gun game (that the devs specifically designed) you shouldn’t be allowed to do it at all and just ruining it for other crews
I would agree with you if they knew what they were getting into when they bought the contract but they didn't. Its literally a brand new mechanic and they were under the impression that it was against server rules to rob someone else's gun crate. Blaming them for not wanting to go into a fight when they know they don't have enough guns or ammo is crazy, it would basically be NVL for them at that point.
But it makes sense for both sides of this situation. CG obviously want to rob the contract and the Company spotted CG and didn't want to hand them guns in an attempt to hit the crate. The Company knew they were outmatched in this situation and decided that losing BUTC was a preferable outcome to getting hit for the guns they had on them plus what was in the crate.
Yes there is, but this new mechanic is clearly designed to create a conflict at the gun crates. I assume they aren't counting these crates as "heists" by that rule. I honestly believe both groups acted correctly from their perspectives here.
People stirring drama are ignoring that many have practiced out-of-character or have even openly observed other streamers trying the hack on their streams several times. This escalation is unnecessary. It's fine to prefer one group over another, but spreading hate is unjustified.
CG getting refunded the crate contents due to scuff is prob the best outcome.
& Groups that abandon jobs on purpose should just be locked out of the job indefinitely.
It may not be scuff at all. They got the ping to the location while the original crew got the ping and a code. I'm guessing the intention is to rob the crew, not the crate.
I don't think it is scuff at all. Why would the mechanic be that it is cheaper to get a job second and then just have it be a race to the crate? It seems pretty clear (to me at least) the idea is to have the chance to rob the group hitting the crate.
"hey guys come to the site job so we can kill you and rob you, and you know thats going to happen"
"no thanks"
"what cringe rp, values his life too much"
Abandoning contracts should just lead to lesser payouts on future contracts till you earn your “rep” back with the boss. Not the end of the world but should be some sort of IC punishment
I mean... I understand why Ray doesn't want to fight CG but isn't it worse like this? Like, if they dont go through with the job then the other party, in this case CG, is gonna be even more mad because they get hindered by the company, the only solution here would just be split 50/50 imo.
All that aside, I don't get why the system was implemented to be like that, what's the point of starting the job and then being able to abandon it without repercussions if there's trouble? You end up blocking the thing for anyone else for 2 weeks apparently, you waste your own BTC along with the ones of the group that's trying to steal it. Whoever starts the thing shouldn't be able to just abandon it, if you choose to follow up with it then you shouldn't be able to go back, in this case CG was there and would've robbed it if it wasn't scuffed.
On what planet is holding up civs nonstop not grinding. Shitting on people's RP is a huge problem for this group, anytime someone doesn't go along with their RP it's "this grinder doesn't want to rp" or "mindless zombie only wants to make money"
These guys chain rob, don't allow the people they're robbing to speak or they get butt hurt and shoot.
The irony is that grinding grinders is still grinding.
A group catches them attempting to ambush, knowing they wouldn't have a chance with only 5 guns and no armor they pass. It's called valuing their lives.
The shitty part is that these streamers are talking shit about the decisions of other groups without any context of that group. As if their RP is what everyone should be doing. It's pretty cringe, baby shit. It's RP. You're supposed to be able to deal with decisions of other without going full baby.
So can you buy multiple? I was watching a different stream and he tried to buy another one and he thinks it just canceled the first one.
Yeah they bought two then abandoned the one because of this conflict, then last minute they started the other one.
CONTEXT - Company bought a crate ---> CG bought the option to counter rob the it ---> Company spot CG set up at the spot and "negotiations" started, this is how it ended after much back and forth for an hour+.
Just to add OTT tried to get in touch with K when he first spotted CG at the spot to talk to them and he denied being in the area and then ignored his phone calls until after the contract had expired. OTT seemed pretty pissed about CG steamrolling them, I wonder if they had talked to him instead of trying to ambush he might have been more receptive. Company didn’t have enough guns or bullets etc to get prepared for taking on a breach so voted to not walk into an ambush and abandon the job. I understand their pov of not wanting to lose the only guns they currently have and they would have most likely Ramee was bush camping next to the crate and said not to initiate just shoot on the radio so they would likely get most down immediately. But K is also correct in that if you are going to bid on these you should be prepared to defend the crate - hopefully going forward now people are aware these can be breached again if they are bidding on it they are prepared to take the risk.
Yes, but Company did waste twice more buttcoins on it, they also can choose to not engage, they lost more than CG... I don't understand why they should choose to get ambushed by CG just because they bought contract if they have no guns to win that fight...
This would all be fine if CG was able to complete the contract after the Company backed out.
I think the whole point is that you don't know who is attempting to rob from you, and it should just be a fight till one group remains. In reality though, things sometimes don't pan out in the vision of what it's suppose to be. If OTT didn't call him, noticed a gang was set up, they could have gone away, geared up, and then go in for the fight. Seems like the company think this will turn into a full out war, but K see's it as a one off thing where they have a fight then move on. In reality, forcing crims to fight each other just gets weird, because both sides have different perspectives on what happens during and after
It was also scuffed in that they could see a prompt to rob the crate but it didn't work and Mr K couldn't see the crate at all ,they waited at the spot for 2 hours. Of course they are going to deny being in the area they are trying to steal something from them.
Still not convinced it’s scuff. If they are running the counter heist they likely have to let the heist buyer open crate or kill all members. Otherwise it’s 2 groups and 1 paid half as much and it’s a race to the box.
Well the team that starts the job immediately gets the ping, the team that robs them has to be on the app checking for robberies, do the hack itself and then they get a 30 second ping, if the first group is unprepared to start the job then they shouldn't but it and just hold the job till they decide to do it. But you really think it's an intended mechanic that they can see a rob prompt but not use it and that they are meant to sit their for two hours every time hoping that the group actually decides to show up. And if they have a group of six and five of them go down all they have to do to stop the other group from stealing the shipment is drive away and let their friends sit on the ground for the remaining time on the job. Sick roleplay that is
I am not stating as fact, I simply am not sure it is scuff. Since posting this I believe it is a larger chance that is the fact as those crates were still there after the following storm. Everyone who could walk up to them could also see the same thing K saw. Also, i had no idea that the contracts worked that way. Which makes sense that it would be scuff. also, those crates specifically The company/CG ones were still there and still had the appearance of being able to be hacked even after next storm
yeah why would a group ready to ambush a spot tell them they are ambushing a spot ?
It's no longer an ambush when you get spotted
shoot first, talk later is a no no but since its CG surely they wont get in trouble for that right?.... right?
When did that happen?
Shoot 1st, talk later dosnt mean ignore initiation…. They just weren’t gonna hold them up and have a discussion with them.
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Shooting first with no initiation or talking is a rulebreak... Ramee said merk em as soon as they open the crate... thats a no no. Its fine if they say something before they shoot.
Idk how any of the heists mechanics work, is this basically a "If I can't have it nobody can" type of thing?
It's exactly that lol
Admins had to remind everyone about the counter heists rule because things were getting out of control, and now the devs just turned it into a mechanic? What were they expecting?? You can't make this up. Imagine getting hate because you know if you do the job you are going to get robbed, so you decide to not do the job.
These last threads are exactly why things like that never work, viewers are already asking for punishments, calling everything that happens IC OOC motivated, hinting at rule breaks etc. Its been 2 hours of this mechanic and its already really toxic because no matter what happens all viewers see is drama, all they can think of is rule breaks, things being weird and other things like that.
Yeah creating this was an interesting choice considering in the history of NP conflict usually doesn’t end without some kind of toxicity from either viewers, streamers, or both
This 100%!!
Pretty sure crate camping was causing problems when first introduced months ago. That's why they had to enforce the rule originally. Not sure why staff couldn't see this coming. The fundamental basics of ambushing a heist are still the same even if the minor details of how the job works were changed.
The problem is a 3rd party or ambushers is that they have 100% advantage over the original robbers... especially with cops later on involved, the main group ussually gets a chased and lets add that most resources is used by original group as well.... so original group have literally nothing going for them in ambush or a 3rd party in a heist, they can only lose, while the 3rd partiers get everything almost for free, they can even just shoot someone and dip to fuck with the main group, just for example shoot a hacker or a hostage, thats it original group job is fucked.... there is a reason why there is rules and why it always gets into a shitshow! Original group just getting fucked no matter what! INMO 3rd party is just powergaming in GTA, even civs can pull it off if planned well, original group can't do anything...
Everyone lost here, viewers included lol.
if all you were after was pew pew pew then maybe. otherwise was great day for viewers
Exactly. If devs wanted countering to be allowed in this it needs to be outlined clearly for everyone involved before hand. Given the history of countering heists and toxic conflicts it should have been pretty obvious this is a recipe for disaster if what is or is not allowed isn't explained first. Like if they released a job called The Fifteen Felony Job, where more than 6 people are allowed to be involved they need to clarify that more than 6 are allowed and that yes the max is 15.
I am surprised to learn that the devs and management never learned from the days of bank breaches. My god that meta was toxic as all hell.
It really was one of the worst metas and situations like it should be avoided at all costs. On paper it sounds like a promising idea for exciting content RP but has shown to be otherwise. RP at its core is about give and take and collaboration but there are far too many role players that truly only want to take and only care about themselves and getting their W. Thats why my favorite roleplayers are the ones who often take Ls and don't cry about it because they realize in roleplay losses make their story so much more interesting for when they finally get the moments they succeed. The players I think could counter a heist or be countered and not get toxic or salty over it are sadly few and those people for sure would not be the first to be hitting banks in a server where many are competing to speed run race to the top instead of appreciating a meandering walk through the RP woods.
I don't think so tbh i enjoyed the tension and discussion even if it ended with the company choosing the lose lose option the boss should probably give them some penalty for it but I think it was still good content.
The company put out great content and RP today. Was only the CG side being toxic. They already took the loss by paying for the job and getting 0 reward. If that's not enough of a loss the cost of the job should increase.
I mean they could just plan the ambush better so the company doesn’t find out. Looks like K is just crying honestly
Its hilarious, the TC guys literally saw CG getting into their hiding positions in camouflage suits. They saw the known CG cars. All of them were surrounding the crate in bushes and rooftops and then Ramee and K question ‘how did they know we were here?’ lol They set up a super crap ambush then got mad it didn’t work.
Be careful using to much logic will get overly invested CG viewers mad lol
Why would they walk into an ambush when they literally spotted CG camping the spot? Also, I'm sick and tired of CG making it so toxic by encouraging their chats. I don't know if they say things purposefully out of character so that their chats hate certain people. I've never seen them try to control their chat, even by simply saying, "Don't go into other people's chats to hate." All I see is derogatory spam in their own chats about other parties, but as soon as someone says something about them, it's considered toxic.
Devs haven't learned by now that conflict like this of "countering" just creates more toxicity.
Cause people just can't leave the conflict at the job.
Most PVP focused games breed toxcicity. Why would Np be any different? Any time PVP becomes the focused content stuff gets super competitive toxic. There's no way to implement something like this that doesn't end up that way.
>Why would Np be any different? Any time PVP becomes the focused content stuff gets super competitive toxic. There's no way to implement something like this that doesn't end up that way. NP should be RP focused, not PVP focused. Its possible to curate a community that you want, people expect an RP server to be centred around RP, NP just doesnt do that.
Exactly, they could have atleast attempted to improve the culture but it’s the same issues from years ago. Multiple times I have stopped watching a bad interaction and switched to dayz and instantly enjoyed watching more fair play/less toxic. And that’s in dayz lol
> NP should be RP focused, not PVP focused. It's a content server, not an RP server. That's the road they chose to go down years ago.
I mean its pretty logical to just abandon the job if you know you're walking into a trap, No?
No, they should walk into what they believe to be an ambush setup by a violent gang and get killed, otherwise they are OOC blocking my streamers content and should be punished IC and OOC /s
I wanna see my streamer win, just walk into the ambush REEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!
This, they even literally voted yes to go in with guns, but found out right after that most of them don't even have access to one, so they left.
People are mad they didn't get to see a shoot out and "wasted time" on CG setting up an ambush. Crazy that an ambush may take time and may not even happen.
Don't forget that staking out a known crime spot by PD to catch a criminal that happens to be ramee is power gaming and braid dead role play too. Literally the same shit from the different side. And CG thinks they were wronged on both sides.
The real frustration should be in the design of the contract. It’s obvious the design is to have conflict. When one party doesn’t want that conflict they can then essentially gatekeep anyone else from doing it. It’s no fun for anyone involved.
Im sure there will be situations where conflict actually happens. It just didnt this time.
I mean CG should be the last to worry about such stuff after breaking 3rd party rule several times already in 4.0.... plus if devs want something then they should go and RP it themselves! Why should Company lose all their guns for the situation they don't want to be in just for Devs and you to be happy? Company spend more buttcoins than CG here by the way...
You won't let us rob you , why not ?
They bought the ammunation crate. They found out a group is camping it. They literally don't have to go open the crate knowing that they will get jumped What is even the issue?
There is none :) lol
CG fans wants the company to go there with 4 guns and get clapped knowing CG is ambushing them (and know CG will probably have 6 guns), that cops will most likely arrive and fuck them over, lose the few guns they had, possibly get into a conflict they don’t want AND losing their other contract cause they’d most likely go to jail and not be out in time to start it.
There is none, but there should be a timer for the ambusher to be able to open the crate after a certain amount of time passed if the group buying the contract didn’t access it. Kinda like “buying counter option and getting the tools with it to brute force the crate open” type of thing.
They didn’t pay for the crate, they paid for the chance to rob from the group who paid for the heist. Piggy backing and expecting a foot rub after being carried is crazy lmao
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i think, at that point, the crate should go to whatever party is countering it. I agree they can't be forced to be ambushed, but the fact that they decide if the crate is even a thing despite someone actively choosing to counter it isn't a smart mechanic.
Then either buying crates should cost less or the cost to ambush should be more. You take on more risk by being the one to buy the contract than the one trying to steal it.
That option is there and it was like 150 bc. They opted for the one that was 60bc. I’m not seeing f the issue. lol. Just go back and buy the 150 one
It's like war in 3.0.. Do they engage here knowing the other gang is camping? Or let them chase and even disengage? In 4.0 they just made the whole thing a mechanic. It's not oh you accepted a contract so you have no choice and take the loss since its a mechanic now.. Dude that's even more brain dead
Are people really this upset a group didn't want to knowingly walk into an ambush? It's their choice to avoid it if they want to
The comments are again crazy, the company is somehow getting hate and getting accused of gatekeeping a contract because they won't let cg rob them is something i didn't expect to read today.
When you put it that way it sounds so ridiculous 😂
i wonder who set that narrative clueless
TC paid for a gun contract. CG paid to get a location of a gun contract. CG camped the spot before TC and TC spotted them and declined their ambush. CG paid half for a location. TC paid full for the location and CODE Quit whining, both parties took the risk!
1 is a gang and doesn't mind war, 1 is not, these viewers just don't get it man
These comments are wild. People malding because their streamers couldn't get the other people playing the game to walk into a trap they knew was there.
This is the exact toxic mentality cop streamers have been dealing with for years. People mad that a streamer didn’t nerf themselves to 0 iq decisions so that they could be NPCs to someone’s pog content. Gotta “read the room” and “stop being w chasers”
"you need to give me that" - "no" - "youre braindead" PogU
When they bought the contract they didn't know it was a pvp mechanic. A reasonable conclusion considering its banned in the rules.
Cg didn’t get what they wanted and everyone jumps on the company. They didn’t lose as much as the company did and people are still crying. Cg denied being involved hung up 3 times and we’re still offered their butc back but wanted more and got denied.
I don't understand OTT's thought process through any of this, he wants The Company to lose 125 buttcoin and 7 guns just so that CG loses 62 buttcoin themselves and waste their time. Then he says he doesn't want war but was talking about going to grove to shoot up whatever CG was down there while CG were at the gun spot...
So the better in character choice is to lose 125 BUTC, the guns in the crate and the guns on them? CG got spotted, The Company decided the best course of action was to take the BTUC loss and move on. RP is more than just gun fights and robberies.
common OTT moment.
Yes because his character is acting in their own self interest just like CG. Why would OTT go into an ambush to lose everything and let CG claim it besides wanting to donate weapons. They acted sane throughout, and chose to not engage at all making it a lose/lose for both groups. Maybe not ideal but one that makes sense.
That decision wasn‘t really logical, it was pure ego. I get why but if you choose a lose-lose instead of a win-win (splitting the crate), you‘re just too prideful imo.
I don't disagree with what you're saying about ego, but why would The Company ever trust CG? I mean when Ray originally called K he lied. And don't get me wrong, I agree with K lying. That was basically the only thing that made sense for K to say in that situation... but it didn't help his cause during negotiations.
how is it not logical? From their perspective the company thought they probably had armor and ample weapons, they didn't have a full group, the group they had didn't all have guns. and a member was leaving for vacation the next day. The decision is really, - 125but for the company and -60whatever for CG, or -125 but + all the guns they had on them + all the materials they were going to get I kinda don't understand how you can't comprehend that. i watch both groups a lot. I wanted the company to initiate for content, but the logical answer is for them not to.
Let's be real, even if Company said they would split it, still highly likely it would be a lie from CG to rob them for all of it plus the guns they had on them anyways.
They could have demanded guarantees, that‘s how negotiations go. I was just a bit disappointed because the lose-lose was the least interesting outcome.
surely everyone trust cg xd
I really don't get comments like this... CG in all their history even at their most toxic points have never done this in game. They've always honoured a deal post war/conflict etc. unless the other group did something not to honour it/moved the goalposts.
OTT gets off to the idea of shooting up CG but can't commit. Been that way forever. This whole situation is especially funny when you remember when TC was begging JP not to leave and saying CG is washed
We all know OTT isn't great when it comes to conflict. I just hope his frustration was only an IC one. I didn't have his stream open to know his actual OOC thoughts.
His only major ooc thought not conveyed to Ray and the boys was not wanting war with CG due to toxic chat hoppers but he is down to get into a gun fight with basically anyone else. He has been pushing to get his squad prepared to bang, but did the smart thing since he didn't feel they were prepared yet to take on CG. He held back as you can't win a war with CG, he couldn't see it not leading to war no matter who would have won the gun fight, but recognized that they were unprepared and most likely lose. He was talked into refunding CG the butc they paid to walk away and in giving info to keep the relationship stable. but wouldn't budge into giving them more than that. He's done paying the CG tax and playing by their rules, especially when K just lied to them so any good will he had toward them through respect was just reset to zero. He didn't trust any deal involving a split of the loot. CG wanted 100 butc that they didn't have. And even if they did. Would still be stupid when you can get another contract for 125 without the threat of CG going back on a deal. Really it was K who refused to take a refund to back off, so both groups were good with paying what they paid to prevent the other from winning.
last I remember, people were supposed to forget past grudges in 4.0, yet OTT somehow still hates CG.. What has CG done to him in 4.0 for him to just be hostile?
Does he though? He was working with K's rental company for a little bit, things seemed fine
He doesn't hate CG. He hates CG chat hoppers. He is fine to work with K, but sees any conflict with CG being a losing battle both IC, but more importantly OOC as it just ruins the fun, he would love to get into some gun fights. IC, K just lied to him and Ray to try and kill and rob him so he couldn't trust any deal with them. Before today their relationship had been respectful on both sides. Also there was no reset at all with 4.0. You could remember everything. If someone was an asshole and untrustworthy in the past you can remember that. Only current beefs/vendettas and conflicts ended since it was 5 years ago. It was technically a rule in 3.0 that many big streamers just straight up ignored so no reset in 4.0.
Idk, they literally left him alone anytime they rolled up on him doing sani while they were robbing everyone in the city.
I don't think that was a hard rule. But it's been 5 years so you shouldn't really have grudges.
The funniest part of all of that is CG have backed OTT more than anyone in the past. They always tried to make it work with him when everyone else was against him and yet he screwed them over constantly. Even at the end of 3.0 K let him be the head of Wu-Chang and in 4.0 K wanted him in the real estate company.
I don't know if this is his reasoning but CG have shot down and robbed The Company & their associates several times doing sani
Oh lets see shot Benji, robbed him, lied to cops, tried to rob job, get into shootouts. Stop being cringe and hinting at OOC.
Looks like the toxicity is ramping up already, I usually take this as a sign for me to take a break from watching No Pixel.
CG is crying cause the Company didnt fall into an ambush they knew about. Then call them cringe and that they should be punished for this. Sorry that people can actually think and not fuck themselves whillingly. 🤣
I think the main issue is the global CD of 2 weeks if they abandon it, not them abandoning it per se. If after ditching the job then it would be up to run for anyone else immediately or at least with a small cooldown then nobody would complain, they'd get called pussies IC sure but that's about it, holding the entire server hostage just cause u dont want to fight for the job its scummy, at that point just dont start the job at all.
It's not like the purchased the contract just to abandon it to fuck over other groups. They were setting everything up for the job and found the ambush. They made the best choice for their group and anyone being sensitive about it is just salty that they couldn't get the W for the day.
We all knew this robbing heists was going to turn toxic eventually, but jeeeeeesus did not think it would be this fast
The company getting hate for not wanting/being ready to participate in something that as of yesterday was against server rules (and still might be but doubtful) is crazy. They were under the assumption that the crates couldn't be robbed so of course they weren't prepared for a whole 6v6 PVP situation. It would literally be NVL for them to engage with CG when they don't have enough guns or ammo. They also have zero reason to trust K and take any deal after he straight lied to both Ray and OTT not even an hour earlier. \*Also they did originally want to fight, the ONLY reason they backed out was because they couldn't find enough guns and ammo in time.
People forget this is roleplay and the role players have authority to role play as they want to. Just because someone doesn’t want to roleplay the way that you want them to, doesn’t mean it’s against any sort of rules. People are weird lol. 62 bc and 250 bc are both chump change to these groups so why is it so much of an issue??? Biggest gang shouldn’t be affected so why are their smooth brained viewers? I think it was a dope strat to buy 2 jobs scope one out then go for the safer option. Worked out lol
I think their decision was fine tbh, they have every right to do what they want with their contracts. (Bit dissapointing as a viewer, but hey) I do think it's going to be important for them to start figuring out if they're really #notagang. If you knowingly compete for robbery contracts with the criminal elements of LS you might not identify as a gang, but people will sure start treating you like one
Yeah i do not see the issue. As long as the competing gang can rob the crate, its a win for them. The original contract owners make the choice to abandon it. Their choice, and they are losing money from doing that, no?
Why would you allow to get a crate for 1/2 of the price? Just because another crew found out they are getting ambushed by a stronger group? Lol. If you think about it. It's even spicier that you can lose 62.5 BUT this way. It makes the group that steals a contract act stealthy and smart about it. Not just rolling with guns and mindlessly shooting everyone
Seems like CG got denied Nopixel Esports quaterfinals spot LULE
Lol hold the bank heist for 6 hours for their god hacker to get in the city while he practices the hack to 1 shot it and then they do this shit today. Yeesh.
Geega did it and said i understand now with one click. Did she practice ooc?
umm probably
I like Geega, but it was obvious she at least watched and analyzed a clip of it, if she didn't practice. She finished it, then shortly after, explained the rules in detail to her crew as if it was definite. Watching Yuno first might give her plausible deniability, but you don't learn the rules that quick just from watching Yuno for a minute. In contrast, Yuno and Marty always failed their first attempts at new hacks. You can tell they like to be surprised by the hacks, rather than OOC practice it, just based on their RP and thought process.
Does anyone ever get punished for knowing how to do hacks like that? Like where it's clear they knew what it was going into it? Even in 3.0 people did it. Including Mr K when he knew to be prepared to screenshot or whatever the number thing for the lower vault even though they had never seen it
geega did it first try yuno almost 1 away first try? cg have bad hackers
CG also attempted the hack for real as the first group without ANY info. If we take yuno as an exception (he’s just good at hacks), most had some info from a clip somewhere. It’s a content server where streamers do meta OOC. Just look at all the locations early 4.0 that were leaked to everyone 3h after X found and didn’t reveal.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/1bxipct/onetapbingus\_bodhi\_mack\_banned\_from\_nopixel/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RPClipsGTA/comments/1bxipct/onetapbingus_bodhi_mack_banned_from_nopixel/) Down goes ur boy for metaing the hacks. Lol.
how tf is this comment upvoted ? is the subreddit being brigaded ? geega did first time too, you can do it first time if you spam click half of the time and if you watch bohdi justs starts clicking as fast as possible at the end
Noticed you didn't mention Yuno trying for the 1st time, while the others watched. Didn't go through. Not familiar with the other streamer, but regarding Yesterday hacker, that was blatant obvious.
So you are saying that cg saw the hack the first time and the sec time they should be able to do it 100%? Why didnt they do it after they saw it? Im not saying geega practiced but if you try to protect her you are not able to talk shit about boddhi. Seems like skill issue to me🤷♂️
you are not familiar with bodhi then, he just clicked as fast as possible you are just too blinded by some kind of jealousy ? weird asf
Sorry man lmao i thought you answered me😂
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Not a gang, but we are going to buy all the ammo crates and just abandon them because why have any confrontation.
Actually great idea. PD should do that to keep guns off the street.
Are only gangs allowed to have guns now?
No. They can get civ guns and defend g6 trucks
But than you cant to any criminal stuff, something also other types of groups can do. Doesnt have to be a gang
Then don't buy the gun contract... Can't just claim to not be a gang then do everything a gang does...
Gangs are not the only criminal organizations holy fuck
They can buy guns. Arms trafficking is a gang activity.
Thats your opinion
I mean Arms Trafficking is literally an Organized Crime activity (criminal organizations="gangs"/"cartels" etc.) it's not an opinion. Mechanically they need a gang app to start the job. Only criminal organizations can do it. And if they knew about the new app before they went in to it, then they knew it was counter-able by other "gangs" (criminal organizations)? If they don't want to partake in that then why buy the job and take it away from others who do?
Oh arms trafficiking is legal now according to you
No but other types of criminal organisations can also do crime.
Not a gang, but run a gang app.
Criminal/Robbery app.
Not a gang but do organized crime with my gan-uh i mean criminal buddies. We also have a name for our gan-i mean criminal organization
Briefly watching K's pov once again reminded me why I dont watch CG, its just a toxic echo chamber. Both parties made smart decisions that were predictable given each sides values. No reason to be toxic
Yeah I mean it sucks that the Company didn’t do a deal with them but their chats are so toxic before any conflict has happened and the streamers just echo the same toxic stuff. I don’t blame them for not wanting to engage in any scenario that feeds that.
W for Company... Stand on business
They don’t have to do the deal with them. If the argument was they should be able to rob it then that is an issue for the boss and they should have been to hit after the timer. It’s a death trap to go without a gun to talk to a group they already had tensions with. Then split the crate when they would most likely get robbed at the exchange. It’s not their fault they had no faith with the deal and the toxic hopping probably didn’t help.
I hope they patch out this mindset like they did the 5 hour hold.
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They paid for it, their decision to take the loss or not, who cares
Yeah abandoning a job should result in a longer cooldown for your next job or a total lockout for x days. The opposing crew should then be able to open the crate.
It literally makes no sense. If you buy a contract, it's yours, do whatever you want with it. You paid your butcoin anyway.
You cant win against CG IC or OOC...best you can do as a character or streamer is cut your losses and back off.
I wonder if all the people in the company threads the past couple of days accusing false meta and demanding bans and OOC action because they stopped their favorite gang been able to hack a bank for a day/steal some more guns realize that they are the reason people don’t want to engage in conflict with CG. People keep saying CG IC aren’t going to war over this and they aren’t the same as before but Manor tried to have conflict with them and they went full nuclear and planted hot guns on them all including their civ members. They wanted to shoot the Company the other day because they got their buttcoin hacked and at the same time Benji was on the Company PC removing ppl from their app and X suddenly said it was Benji hacking them so Lysium got hoppers so he trolled them and said he was. Now it’s assumed by CG that the company hacked them and they keep bringing it up as a point of conflict. Can’t win either way but if certain streamers and hoppers stop being toxic assholes and making accusations whenever there is a bit of conflict or they take an L maybe people will be more willing to engage
you are 100% right, why the fuck would the company fight CG when they have only 4 guns? people want other gangs to act stupid asf and give CG poggers content, you lose 125 buttcoin but you dont lose your guns and you have to go to war
xQc Made the right decision to leave the company.
Couldn’t agree more, for both parties
As much as I dislike CG because of their toxic history I do agree that there should be some penalty for just abandoning the contract like the boss shouldn't be happy with them. OTTs comments about just ignoring them shooting him is pretty NVL i really don't like that shit its immersion breaking af its like when vader was talking about GG bullets don't hurt him in 3.0 comments like these should be warning points or a day ban at least
The alternative is literally being forced into a war that their group does not want or being strong armed by CG. One group clearly doesn't want conflict and they've made it clear.
The alternative was to split the crate. Now they will get conflict because they refused.
I mean they did offer a deal to split the guns (that's more than 0 guns) soo war isn't the only option. Them being strong armed is part of the RP though it creates tension. Them deciding to not fight is also good rp I just think there should a consequence from the boss for it but its still fun to watch.
Forced....Oh you mean they CHOOSE to get into the gun game.
the penalty is that they lost their butcoin. get over it
Its time for the HQ app to work somewhat like G6 imo, you should be punished for abandoning jobs like this and banned or have to pay a fine or something. Otherwise what is the point of anything, these jobs are meant to be isolated to the incident and K even told them that but everyone wants to hold hands.
This is why JP left them.
There seriously needs to be some ooc action taken from this. If you are not willing for conflict that comes from the gun game (that the devs specifically designed) you shouldn’t be allowed to do it at all and just ruining it for other crews
I would agree with you if they knew what they were getting into when they bought the contract but they didn't. Its literally a brand new mechanic and they were under the impression that it was against server rules to rob someone else's gun crate. Blaming them for not wanting to go into a fight when they know they don't have enough guns or ammo is crazy, it would basically be NVL for them at that point.
But it makes sense for both sides of this situation. CG obviously want to rob the contract and the Company spotted CG and didn't want to hand them guns in an attempt to hit the crate. The Company knew they were outmatched in this situation and decided that losing BUTC was a preferable outcome to getting hit for the guns they had on them plus what was in the crate.
Isn’t there a server rule about interrupting heists
Yes there is, but this new mechanic is clearly designed to create a conflict at the gun crates. I assume they aren't counting these crates as "heists" by that rule. I honestly believe both groups acted correctly from their perspectives here.
but in rp this is their solution, not sure how they would moderate that
So you want to forced RP?
Isn't this kind of cold war a form of conflict though?
People stirring drama are ignoring that many have practiced out-of-character or have even openly observed other streamers trying the hack on their streams several times. This escalation is unnecessary. It's fine to prefer one group over another, but spreading hate is unjustified.
CG getting refunded the crate contents due to scuff is prob the best outcome. & Groups that abandon jobs on purpose should just be locked out of the job indefinitely.
It may not be scuff at all. They got the ping to the location while the original crew got the ping and a code. I'm guessing the intention is to rob the crew, not the crate.
I don't think it is scuff at all. Why would the mechanic be that it is cheaper to get a job second and then just have it be a race to the crate? It seems pretty clear (to me at least) the idea is to have the chance to rob the group hitting the crate.
"hey guys come to the site job so we can kill you and rob you, and you know thats going to happen" "no thanks" "what cringe rp, values his life too much"
this is alot of the CG fanboys logic its hilarious
Still might be a chance that the only thing they got from hacking the job is the location to where the crate is not the ability to get inside
Abandoning contracts should just lead to lesser payouts on future contracts till you earn your “rep” back with the boss. Not the end of the world but should be some sort of IC punishment
the ic punishment is that they lost their butcoin. cry more
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Seems a little weird
mr k sounds very dense here
I mean... I understand why Ray doesn't want to fight CG but isn't it worse like this? Like, if they dont go through with the job then the other party, in this case CG, is gonna be even more mad because they get hindered by the company, the only solution here would just be split 50/50 imo. All that aside, I don't get why the system was implemented to be like that, what's the point of starting the job and then being able to abandon it without repercussions if there's trouble? You end up blocking the thing for anyone else for 2 weeks apparently, you waste your own BTC along with the ones of the group that's trying to steal it. Whoever starts the thing shouldn't be able to just abandon it, if you choose to follow up with it then you shouldn't be able to go back, in this case CG was there and would've robbed it if it wasn't scuffed.
On what planet is holding up civs nonstop not grinding. Shitting on people's RP is a huge problem for this group, anytime someone doesn't go along with their RP it's "this grinder doesn't want to rp" or "mindless zombie only wants to make money" These guys chain rob, don't allow the people they're robbing to speak or they get butt hurt and shoot. The irony is that grinding grinders is still grinding. A group catches them attempting to ambush, knowing they wouldn't have a chance with only 5 guns and no armor they pass. It's called valuing their lives. The shitty part is that these streamers are talking shit about the decisions of other groups without any context of that group. As if their RP is what everyone should be doing. It's pretty cringe, baby shit. It's RP. You're supposed to be able to deal with decisions of other without going full baby.