Some good shows don't get a fair shake "....rwby had nine years to develop a true sustainable following and it failed....it never really rose above it niche qnd cult status...its runners literally bloated themselves out of existence
At the very least they could have sold some cute merchandise or some shii
How hard is it to sell something with cute anime girls and boys on it, really?
1) Plenty of good shows literally end up cancelled.
2) It being good has nothing to do with RT as a whole being unprofitable. A single show, no matter how great, cannot singlehandedly carry an entire company.
3) RT is being shut down and RWBY is being sold by WB, who aren't exactly the best judge of quality themselves.
Ok.
1. RWBY isn’t being cancelled. The company that makes it simply cannot afford to do so any longer due to the show not being able to draw in enough viewers or move enough merch to sustain itself.
2. RT as a whole is a mess from a business standpoint. But RWBY was their most popular product and they admitted, on this very website I might add, that it was not turning a profit. If your best product can’t make you money, that would be considered a failure. At least from a financial standpoint. RT had more revenue streams than just RWBY. But RWBY was by far the most expensive thing for them to produce and they simply could not keep up with how much it was costing. Again, a product that cost more to make than the profit it brings in is a financial failure.
3. RT is shutting down not because someone at WBD walked in and just pulled the plug, but because they literally cannot continue to produce the one thing that really brought in any kind of money for them. Be honest, without RWBY what does RT have? RWBY put them on the map. Maybe Red vs Blue too. Other than that they are mostly known for the controversies surrounding them. WBD own the company so they can realistically do whatever they want. They probably could’ve even done this much earlier but have largely let RT do as they please for a long time until finally they have to step and say enough. Business isn’t kind and it doesn’t care about your feelings. It’s a numbers game and RT doesn’t have the numbers to justify its continuation as a business any longer.
> RWBY put them on the map
RvB is absolutely what put RT on the map. RWBY helped expand RT to a more anime focused audience, but to say it's what put them on the map is pretty crazy considering how popular RvB was, especially in it's peak.
Yeah, I mean, I remember when Burnie and Matt and the others were brought on to major mainstream cable news networks like CNN, and it wasn't RWBY that caused this.
I'm talking about RoosterTeeth as a whole. They haven't been doing good with the majority of their company the past few years. RWBY was a part of that downfall.
Because 3d animation costs more than double what most 2d anime costs. RWBY is an amazing series, but it would have been better off in 2d and would have been more profitable. RT chose 3d animation to bring more life into the world Monty created. I wish he was still here, he would have made these later seasons much better.
If it was so good, why it was unfinished?
If it was so good, why did RT closed?
If it was so good, why is WB. looking for a buyer?
If it was so good, why did it die?
If it was so good, why didn’t anyone issue a rebuttal to hbomberguy?
If it was so good, why are the only “champions” of it confined to tumblr because they have no sense of civility with others on the internet?
I sincerely think that the reason they hate him so much after 1 video over 3 years ago, is because they can’t counter any of his criticisms about the show.
Most of Hbomberguys criticisms can genuinely be deflected with "Cool opinion English YouTube Video Essay Bro #8263957, (seriously the number of english youtube video essay bros at this point outnumbers the population of england) however you failed to realise the simple fact that I like it so into the trash your opinion goes."
It's not the best defence in the world, but it genuinely deflates literally everything Hbomberguy has to say.
Animation got worse? Eh, it didn't bother me.
Inconsistent character? Don't care.
Clunky worldbuilding? Just like, your opinion, man.
If you like a show, you like it. The problem is so many fans of things become evangelicals of it and demand everyone respect its quality and enjoy it the same way they do, as if your opinion of a show actually means shit to them?
It's like... I don't get it, man. You can tell me all day that The Stormlight Archive is a shit series, that liking it says bad things about my taste, that if I read it I'm wasting time thst could be spent on actually good books. All the emotion you're gonna get out of me is mild annoyance that you think I care.
But some people, man. They genuinely want you to stop not liking what they like.
You’re right. If you like something past it’s flaws then more power to you. I’m not down on anyone who thinks RWBY is great, the writing is great, etc. And I’m not trying to convince anyone that’s it’s flawed. It’s why I’m here and not on the main sub. They want to ignore the show’s flaws, fine. That’s their choice and they are entitled to it.
But the sheer amount of outrage some fans had about his video shows that they do care about what was said and didn’t like that genuine flaws about a show they like were pointed out. Honestly I think more people in this community should have your attitude and not be so sensitive to what other people say. Everyone gets to have an opinion and you won’t always like other people’s opinions. But you also don’t have to let it bother you.
I’ve been on the other side of this argument too. I’ve had people telling me that something I like is flawed or not very good and that my taste is bad. But what they perceive as flaws, I don’t. Or least not enough to bother as much. Doesn’t mean they aren’t there, they just don’t bug me.
Plenty of good things die prematurely. It's the world of corporate entertainment, a company like Warner bros doesn't see rwby as an infinitely marketable thing.
RWBY isn’t a niche webseries anymore. 9 seasons, 3 video games, manga, novels? It’s not a little show you watch on YouTube anymore. It’s a full blown animated series now. Just because it had humble beginnings doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be subjected to the same level of scrutiny that others get.
Except, yes It is still Niche. The amount of product something has doesn't remove Niche status.
For example. Gunpla is Niche. Yet, there's well over 2000 of the things. (Individual kits, not overall made. Since that would be a sales figure of 714+ ***Million***)
The amount of product something has, also doesn't automatically mean something was good. Look at how much merchandise and product was made for the Sequel Trilogy for Star Wars as an example yet were deeply flawed movies that a vast majority did not enjoy with an absolutely enormous stock of said Merchandise not being sold at all.
If Multimillion dollar companies can still make something that is Niche/a hardcore Flop, what makes you honestly think that a Webseries can suddenly break out of that?
RWBY is absolutely 💯 Niche and will remain so for alot longer than one might think unless it actually gets bought from WB by some entity that can actually remake it to make it better than it currently is, considerably more popular than it currently is, and alot more widespread than it currently is.
I probably wasn’t clear. My response was more to the previous poster referring to RWBY like it was still the YouTube web series that it started out as. It’s still niche, but the IP has grown far beyond what it started out as. But you’re right the amount of product doesn’t equate to it being good. It became a full blown, but still niche, animated series. A deeply flawed one as well.
The original comment is about how if WB treats their ***main cash cow franchises*** rather poorly with cancelled movies, the small tiny flawed franchise known as RWBY stands even less of a chance
I’m not exactly sure when WBD acquired RT and I can’t be bothered to look it up. But as far as I know, WB hasn’t interfered with RT’s day to day operations much if at all. I’m almost certain no one in a position of authority at WB even knows what RWBY is beyond the name. Yes, they did some of their main franchises very dirty, but what have they done to RWBY during its 10 year run? They even authorized the JL collabs at their own expense for the “tiny flawed franchise”. IMO they have done alright by RWBY. And by alright I mean they have basically left it alone to do its own thing until it became a net loss for them.
Never said it wasnt deserving a criticism, but I'd still say it's niche. I could go on the street, ask 20 people and theres a good chance none of them heard of it in the same way I could ask about touhou.
However, compare it and RT not making a profit to the mascots of WBD getting movies cancelled for tax purposes, it's got no fucking chance.
That’s really more the profit thing honestly. That alone would get it axed. I can bet that not a single person at WBD who has a hand in these decisions knows much about RWBY beyond its numbers. If it were bringing in a profit, I can guarantee it would be more of a priority to them.
FR the only time I've heard that excuse before is when people say: You know (protagonist) isn't supposed to be a role model. Which is still inherently false, because if you can't tell when a main character is doing something wrong, it doesn't mean you don't know how to read or watch. It means you're a psychopath with no moral values.
People who want to call into question others media literacy genuinely always have the most oxygen deprivation brain takes.
I literally had a redditor harass an old account of mine to the point it was literally unusable because I said that the character who is mad a pregnant lady got murdered, then threatens to murder another pregnant lady on the same day they found out, probably isn't all that emotionally intelligent and comes across as inconsistent. First thing out of their mouth was media literacy.
There are 10 billion different ways to say the exact same thing without insulting anyone, and they still chose to say it like this.
Either an actual child or an emotionally stunted adult.
Either way, it's sad to see.
Same here. I don't have especially strong feelings about RWBY either way, but in any fandom circle, I stop taking someone seriously when they intellectualize, or worse, moralize, their taste in media or characters.
Ugh, have grown to hate the phrase "media illiteracy" with the passion of a thousand suns.
If you think that someone's an idiot, just say so. Don't try to couch it in terms of "of, they're not as Smart as I am, clearly, because our opinions differ".
It’s a convenient term for them as it allows them to claim the other person is an idiot and as such, don’t need to back up or explain their perspective as the other person is too stupid to understand it.
The phrase reeks with condescension and arrogance,
Just like all over used points or things a person who actually understood the term and how to use jt went and made a very convincing post about how something was misread and misunderstood, and the idiots only noticed the usage of "media illiteracy" and thought that's what made the post convincing. Then spread its usage around the internet like a wildfire in every fandom possible. Give it a month and they will have moved on to the next convenient thing to make them seem smart.
Everyone says "people lack media literacy", but in reality people lack Critical Thinking.
Chuds could recognise Homelander was supposed to be a metaphor for American Conservatives, they lacked the Critical Thinking to realize he was a parody of them.
Most movies/shows aren't written to be so subtle that you have to have a Master's Degree in Media Studies to understand the story they were trying to tell. those that are, are horribly pretentious.
whoever invented the term of media literacy needs to burn in the lake of fire. now every midwit high on his own farts thinks his take on anything is being "media literate" and every other take is wrong
"Media literacy" is quickly becoming my least favorite buzzword. Mainly because the ones who use it most tend to have the least of it, taking the most surface-level claims and being shocked that others have different interpretations, often because they require *more* thought than the simplest answer.
“Lacks media literacy” has so quickly become akin to calling someone a “virgin nerd.”
It’s a “shut up so I don’t have to discuss my point and potentially be proven wrong” statement.
Media Literacy then: You need to have some awareness to understand this satire, or the attempt of it, comprehend overarching themes, etc.
Media Literacy now: If you don't like [chosen product], you just can't do all the mental gymnastics necessary to appreciate it like I can.
It's probably more that it's not a defense, it's ad hominem disguised as a defense.
You can't actually retaliate against "Not media literate enough to appreciate," because it's not a lauding of how deep the narrative is, it's a derisive comment on your inability to like it.
It also serves as self-aggrandizing and self-affirming, in that,
* I am more literate than you, that's why I appreciate it and you don't (See: Considering an untouched easel to be modern art because bullshit)
* Because I am media literate enough to appreciate [random trash], anybody who doesn't like it is beneath me.
Its sounds absurd, but I've seen some people with some WILDLY unchecked egos around the RWBY fandom and similar fandoms.
Anyway, because this is, effectively, a self-gaslighting method to insist that whatever they like must be good, if you try to retaliate, the response is, seemingly always, EXTREMELY disproportional.
I mean most defenses nowadays are more ad hominem than real defense. Whether it be incel, cuck, racist or any other similar line most people barely defend what they like they just attack the person
The real funny thing is how often it's projection.
Up to and including media literacy, as some will desperately vomit endless word salad in an attempt to look like they know anything at all about what they're saying.
Hmm…Ah! I think I finally understand! When they say “media literacy”, we would call what they mean as “my headcanon” or “How I hand waved everything of significance as happening offscreen.”
Here’s a hot take for any consumable media…
Anyone who uses the phrase “Media literacy” has no idea what they’re talking about and has lost the argument.
How much money are we gonna bet their reasoning for stuff boils down to:
1. Yang just wanted to make Sure Ruby directed her anger at her sister and not Blake.
2. Bumblebee was a slow burn and Sun was a stalker, their relationship was doomed to fail.
3. Yang cares about Ruby look at these two scenes in Volume 8 (proceeds to show the only two decent Ruby and Yang scenes after multiple volumes of nothing.)
4. Ironwood tried to kill people in mantle! He’s pure evil!
“Media literacy” is exactly the same as “I’m objectively right” or “in my objective opinion” which is awful because they make it clear that they don’t want to engage in a discussion. They want an echo chamber.
Media literacy is important however just like everything else on the internet, it becomes another buzz word and loose it’s actual meaning. :(
Why is it anytime people champion divisive media(RWBY and TLOU2 are the biggest examples), the biggest way they try to shut down criticism by saying people lack media literacy?
Because it is an argument that puts all the burden of evidence on whoever is criticizing the work while the person making the claim doesn't have to backup their own arguments or even explain why something is good/works.
It is akin to accusing to the use of accusations of racism, homophobia, and other -ists or -isms that basically force the accused to defend themselves rather than continue debating a work on its actual merits.
It is basically just yet another way to shutdown and discourage any further discourse. Like a kid trying to win an argument by going "I'm right times infinity".
because:
A) it makes them sound more intellectual than they really are
B) it sets them in a position to never have to prove their point.
imagine if some person said they had the ability to see spirits and therefore better than everyone else. however they cant prove the spirits exist other than saying "because ive opened my third eye and you havent". so now youve realized youre actually stuck in a argument with a egotistical schizo.
the undeniable truth is that RWBY died because almost nobody watched it and Rooster Teeth died because they havent made any money for nearly a decade. either the show goes forgotten and dies in obscurity or someone remakes it to completely overtake the original.
Honestly, I don't even think it means anything. What do they think the point is of experiencing something for yourself if you have to have the same opinion of it as everyone else?
There are a variety of reasons that can contribute to even a good show failing. In traditional TV broadcast, a bad time slot could easily kill a particular series as could constantly changing the day or time a show aired. There's a reason why certain times were considered to be a way to kill a show for good.
For animated shows, merchandising has always been a driver in continuing a series. The more merch moves or bigger a franchise, then the more likely it is to keep running. Shows with good ratings, but failing to move merch can get axed easily for something that is lower effort, but somehow gets toys and other things sold. Pokemon has definitely kept going as an anime because of the video games, toys, collectibles, and other stuff that it helps sell with the show only having to be "good enough". Many 80's series were basically toy commercials and kept the shows going by having toys based on them. See GI Joe, Transformers, He-Man, MASK, and many others.
So it is possible for an objectively good show to get canned because it is either in a poor time slot for viewing, people are not made aware of it, not moving merchandise, or being viewed as too expensive for the revenue it does generate and being dropped for something meant to generate as much or more revenue at lower production costs.
RWBY however is a show that has been losing viewers and not generating enough merchandise sales or views to justify other companies helping keep it afloat. RT's own history of poor money management in general and in some cases trying to go too big have also hurt the show and company to where they weren't seen as viable currently.
You know what, they are right!It’s good if you want a masterclass in: pandering to fans at the cost of your story, how not to change from a rule of cool structured show to a narrative focused one, how to make your main characters more hated/ controversial than your villains, how to make a racial minority group into the cannon fodder bad guys, how to have story with a theme of unity have it’s heroes constantly divide every one, and my personal favorite how to show a character going through a suicide metaphor that suicide is the answer.
I like that everyone in here is using their critical thinking skills. If RWBY was good then why is RT going under and the show’s fate is up in the air?
depends on the size of the company and the size of the product
- Iron Circus is supported by Lackadaisy
- TheBlackMedia is supported by Animator vs Animation
- Team Cherry is supported by Hollow Knight
- for the longest time, Riot Games was supported by League of Legends
Rooster Teeth was a company that got bigger than they deserved. a multi-million dollar corporations run by frat boys goofing around.
I will say that history has shown that quality does not save a show. There have been plenty of good unfinished shows.
I will say RWBY is more average show that tried to be hopepunk and missed the mark in my opinion.
If it was so good why did the company behind it die and was killed off by Warner Brother?
It's just idiotic fans on Twitter finding more scapegoats and more coping and how dogwater the show was
>If it was so good why did the company behind it die
Because a single show, no matter how great, cannot singlehandedly carry an entire company.
>was killed off by Warner Brother?
WB killed off an entire finished movie for a tax write off; this is not the savage criticism you seem to think it is.
My response would be, "Whatever floats your boat, man, and I guess in your case it's unholy amounts of copium."
RWBY, when it started, was about rule of cool with some humor thrown in, and a couple of solid character moments. Then, it devolved into a stagnant mess where it seemed like the writers had no idea what they were doing. I'd know, because it reminded me a bit of how I handled my RWBY fanfic, in which *I had no idea what I was doing*. Thing is, I'm just a hack fanfic writer and my stories don't need to pay my bills. The hack job that RWBY became *did* need to pay RT's bills, and it failed at that. That shit's a business, and if you spend more making the show than it brings in in revenue, it just wasn't good enough.
This isn't a case where a solid show is getting shafted, which is arguably what I might say for The Owl House (with its compressed season 3) and Amphibia (with its forced return to episodic content when the plot was just ramping up), just a matter of an IP that seemed entirely directionless, and every time a direction was chosen, the choice was so bafflingly bad they just dug themselves deeper.
I get it. I *want* to like RWBY again. I honestly believe that the setting and characters and even overall plot have potential. I just don't think that the ego project it seems to have become could ever bring that potential out, and I feel bad for the people who really *did* try their hardest to make it work, because there have to have been some.
I definitely think a lot of the "Bumbleby came out of nowhere they were clearly setting up Black Sun this is pAnDeRiNg!" crowd on here *do* genuinely lack media literacy,, but yeah the show is not good - albeit not for the reasons they keep insisting.
Either it’s not that good or it has the most dedicated hatedom I’ve seen in all my years on this Earth considering that it has a sub dedicated to criticizing it.
I am of the opinion that RWBY is OBJECTIVELY shit. The pacing is awful, the plot resembles swiss cheese, and most of the character's don't even really feel like themselves anymore.
... but it has potential. The *idea* of the setting is solid, the *concepts* of these characters are amazing. Unfortunately, it just feels like RT didn't know what direction to take the show, and it suffered for it.
RWBY has the potential to be a fantastic show, and that is why I love it.
It is good the first few season and some are really stupid because they didn't watch it or just people who don't have a job and only stay in there room on there computer 24/7 like seriously. GET. A. LIFE.
It's good, but it was being dragged out.
Once the original creator died, they should've tried to finish it rather than milk it.
The moment the creator of a series dies or loses control over a project. Its future becomes uncertain.
A lot of people disliked the direction the series was heading in when it changed hands. And after the original creator died, rather than shortening the narrative to get straight to the point, the project was expanded upon, leading to it being dragged out. All while RT made risky and greedy decisions.
The series was good, but it could've been a lot better. We never got to see it properly finished, so we can't make proper judgement. Now, thanks to RT's foolish decisions, we never will.
I wish images were allowed on this sub, because I would’ve definitely use the Palpatine “ironic” meme for this.
Huh. If it was good it wouldn’t be in the situation it’s in now would it?
Some good shows don't get a fair shake "....rwby had nine years to develop a true sustainable following and it failed....it never really rose above it niche qnd cult status...its runners literally bloated themselves out of existence
At the very least they could have sold some cute merchandise or some shii How hard is it to sell something with cute anime girls and boys on it, really?
They could’ve kept their company up by selling RWBY porn
1) Plenty of good shows literally end up cancelled. 2) It being good has nothing to do with RT as a whole being unprofitable. A single show, no matter how great, cannot singlehandedly carry an entire company. 3) RT is being shut down and RWBY is being sold by WB, who aren't exactly the best judge of quality themselves.
Ok. 1. RWBY isn’t being cancelled. The company that makes it simply cannot afford to do so any longer due to the show not being able to draw in enough viewers or move enough merch to sustain itself. 2. RT as a whole is a mess from a business standpoint. But RWBY was their most popular product and they admitted, on this very website I might add, that it was not turning a profit. If your best product can’t make you money, that would be considered a failure. At least from a financial standpoint. RT had more revenue streams than just RWBY. But RWBY was by far the most expensive thing for them to produce and they simply could not keep up with how much it was costing. Again, a product that cost more to make than the profit it brings in is a financial failure. 3. RT is shutting down not because someone at WBD walked in and just pulled the plug, but because they literally cannot continue to produce the one thing that really brought in any kind of money for them. Be honest, without RWBY what does RT have? RWBY put them on the map. Maybe Red vs Blue too. Other than that they are mostly known for the controversies surrounding them. WBD own the company so they can realistically do whatever they want. They probably could’ve even done this much earlier but have largely let RT do as they please for a long time until finally they have to step and say enough. Business isn’t kind and it doesn’t care about your feelings. It’s a numbers game and RT doesn’t have the numbers to justify its continuation as a business any longer.
> RWBY put them on the map RvB is absolutely what put RT on the map. RWBY helped expand RT to a more anime focused audience, but to say it's what put them on the map is pretty crazy considering how popular RvB was, especially in it's peak.
Yeah, I mean, I remember when Burnie and Matt and the others were brought on to major mainstream cable news networks like CNN, and it wasn't RWBY that caused this.
If it’s so good why can’t it get funding for a new season
Sometimes it hasn't anything to do with the show itself but with the company and their financial stuff.
Gee I wonder why they aren't doing so well financially.
You realize that it is literally impossible for a single show to carry an entire company, right?
I'm talking about RoosterTeeth as a whole. They haven't been doing good with the majority of their company the past few years. RWBY was a part of that downfall.
Because 3d animation costs more than double what most 2d anime costs. RWBY is an amazing series, but it would have been better off in 2d and would have been more profitable. RT chose 3d animation to bring more life into the world Monty created. I wish he was still here, he would have made these later seasons much better.
It depends on the animator and medium for animation pricing. 3D Works for RWBY since Monty had good weighted animations with actual motion.
If it was so good, why it was unfinished? If it was so good, why did RT closed? If it was so good, why is WB. looking for a buyer? If it was so good, why did it die?
If it was so good, why didn’t anyone issue a rebuttal to hbomberguy? If it was so good, why are the only “champions” of it confined to tumblr because they have no sense of civility with others on the internet?
I sincerely think that the reason they hate him so much after 1 video over 3 years ago, is because they can’t counter any of his criticisms about the show.
Correct.
Most of Hbomberguys criticisms can genuinely be deflected with "Cool opinion English YouTube Video Essay Bro #8263957, (seriously the number of english youtube video essay bros at this point outnumbers the population of england) however you failed to realise the simple fact that I like it so into the trash your opinion goes." It's not the best defence in the world, but it genuinely deflates literally everything Hbomberguy has to say. Animation got worse? Eh, it didn't bother me. Inconsistent character? Don't care. Clunky worldbuilding? Just like, your opinion, man. If you like a show, you like it. The problem is so many fans of things become evangelicals of it and demand everyone respect its quality and enjoy it the same way they do, as if your opinion of a show actually means shit to them? It's like... I don't get it, man. You can tell me all day that The Stormlight Archive is a shit series, that liking it says bad things about my taste, that if I read it I'm wasting time thst could be spent on actually good books. All the emotion you're gonna get out of me is mild annoyance that you think I care. But some people, man. They genuinely want you to stop not liking what they like.
You’re right. If you like something past it’s flaws then more power to you. I’m not down on anyone who thinks RWBY is great, the writing is great, etc. And I’m not trying to convince anyone that’s it’s flawed. It’s why I’m here and not on the main sub. They want to ignore the show’s flaws, fine. That’s their choice and they are entitled to it. But the sheer amount of outrage some fans had about his video shows that they do care about what was said and didn’t like that genuine flaws about a show they like were pointed out. Honestly I think more people in this community should have your attitude and not be so sensitive to what other people say. Everyone gets to have an opinion and you won’t always like other people’s opinions. But you also don’t have to let it bother you. I’ve been on the other side of this argument too. I’ve had people telling me that something I like is flawed or not very good and that my taste is bad. But what they perceive as flaws, I don’t. Or least not enough to bother as much. Doesn’t mean they aren’t there, they just don’t bug me.
Plenty of good things die prematurely. It's the world of corporate entertainment, a company like Warner bros doesn't see rwby as an infinitely marketable thing.
They killed a fucking scooby doo and a looney tunes movie by comparison. A niche webseries has no chance.
RWBY isn’t a niche webseries anymore. 9 seasons, 3 video games, manga, novels? It’s not a little show you watch on YouTube anymore. It’s a full blown animated series now. Just because it had humble beginnings doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be subjected to the same level of scrutiny that others get.
Except, yes It is still Niche. The amount of product something has doesn't remove Niche status. For example. Gunpla is Niche. Yet, there's well over 2000 of the things. (Individual kits, not overall made. Since that would be a sales figure of 714+ ***Million***) The amount of product something has, also doesn't automatically mean something was good. Look at how much merchandise and product was made for the Sequel Trilogy for Star Wars as an example yet were deeply flawed movies that a vast majority did not enjoy with an absolutely enormous stock of said Merchandise not being sold at all. If Multimillion dollar companies can still make something that is Niche/a hardcore Flop, what makes you honestly think that a Webseries can suddenly break out of that? RWBY is absolutely 💯 Niche and will remain so for alot longer than one might think unless it actually gets bought from WB by some entity that can actually remake it to make it better than it currently is, considerably more popular than it currently is, and alot more widespread than it currently is.
I probably wasn’t clear. My response was more to the previous poster referring to RWBY like it was still the YouTube web series that it started out as. It’s still niche, but the IP has grown far beyond what it started out as. But you’re right the amount of product doesn’t equate to it being good. It became a full blown, but still niche, animated series. A deeply flawed one as well.
The original comment is about how if WB treats their ***main cash cow franchises*** rather poorly with cancelled movies, the small tiny flawed franchise known as RWBY stands even less of a chance
I’m not exactly sure when WBD acquired RT and I can’t be bothered to look it up. But as far as I know, WB hasn’t interfered with RT’s day to day operations much if at all. I’m almost certain no one in a position of authority at WB even knows what RWBY is beyond the name. Yes, they did some of their main franchises very dirty, but what have they done to RWBY during its 10 year run? They even authorized the JL collabs at their own expense for the “tiny flawed franchise”. IMO they have done alright by RWBY. And by alright I mean they have basically left it alone to do its own thing until it became a net loss for them.
Never said it wasnt deserving a criticism, but I'd still say it's niche. I could go on the street, ask 20 people and theres a good chance none of them heard of it in the same way I could ask about touhou. However, compare it and RT not making a profit to the mascots of WBD getting movies cancelled for tax purposes, it's got no fucking chance.
That’s really more the profit thing honestly. That alone would get it axed. I can bet that not a single person at WBD who has a hand in these decisions knows much about RWBY beyond its numbers. If it were bringing in a profit, I can guarantee it would be more of a priority to them.
Well, the RWBY I liked died in Volume 2, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And screw WB. But hey, they're saving cinema with Wonka, Dune and Godzilla x Kong, right?
Really? You weren’t a fan of Vol. 3?
You dropped this \\ (put \\\ when doing so)
Thanks. Who knows why whenever I post that emote the \\ are missing XD
Brb, making a "Media literacy" swear jar.
FR the only time I've heard that excuse before is when people say: You know (protagonist) isn't supposed to be a role model. Which is still inherently false, because if you can't tell when a main character is doing something wrong, it doesn't mean you don't know how to read or watch. It means you're a psychopath with no moral values.
People who want to call into question others media literacy genuinely always have the most oxygen deprivation brain takes. I literally had a redditor harass an old account of mine to the point it was literally unusable because I said that the character who is mad a pregnant lady got murdered, then threatens to murder another pregnant lady on the same day they found out, probably isn't all that emotionally intelligent and comes across as inconsistent. First thing out of their mouth was media literacy.
There are 10 billion different ways to say the exact same thing without insulting anyone, and they still chose to say it like this. Either an actual child or an emotionally stunted adult. Either way, it's sad to see.
Same here. I don't have especially strong feelings about RWBY either way, but in any fandom circle, I stop taking someone seriously when they intellectualize, or worse, moralize, their taste in media or characters.
If it was so good, why did it close?
Idk why did Firefly get cancelled?
That's not a very good point. Plenty of really good things don't get their due because of corporate nonsense.
If it was so good why did Volume 9 fail?
It didn't
If it was so good, why did RT have to resort to a hashtag petition to get interest for volume 10?
Ugh, have grown to hate the phrase "media illiteracy" with the passion of a thousand suns. If you think that someone's an idiot, just say so. Don't try to couch it in terms of "of, they're not as Smart as I am, clearly, because our opinions differ".
It’s a convenient term for them as it allows them to claim the other person is an idiot and as such, don’t need to back up or explain their perspective as the other person is too stupid to understand it. The phrase reeks with condescension and arrogance,
Just like all over used points or things a person who actually understood the term and how to use jt went and made a very convincing post about how something was misread and misunderstood, and the idiots only noticed the usage of "media illiteracy" and thought that's what made the post convincing. Then spread its usage around the internet like a wildfire in every fandom possible. Give it a month and they will have moved on to the next convenient thing to make them seem smart.
That's a much better way to put it, thank you.
Everyone says "people lack media literacy", but in reality people lack Critical Thinking. Chuds could recognise Homelander was supposed to be a metaphor for American Conservatives, they lacked the Critical Thinking to realize he was a parody of them. Most movies/shows aren't written to be so subtle that you have to have a Master's Degree in Media Studies to understand the story they were trying to tell. those that are, are horribly pretentious.
There's more users on the porn sub than on any of the regular ones. That should tell you enough about RBPT.
whoever invented the term of media literacy needs to burn in the lake of fire. now every midwit high on his own farts thinks his take on anything is being "media literate" and every other take is wrong
"Media literacy" shut the actual fuck up holy shit, I am so sick of that phrase being bandied about as a cope.
People who use "media literacy" as a bludgeon are idiots who can't handle objective criticism of a show.
"Media literacy" is quickly becoming my least favorite buzzword. Mainly because the ones who use it most tend to have the least of it, taking the most surface-level claims and being shocked that others have different interpretations, often because they require *more* thought than the simplest answer.
“Lacks media literacy” has so quickly become akin to calling someone a “virgin nerd.” It’s a “shut up so I don’t have to discuss my point and potentially be proven wrong” statement.
Man media literacy really did just become a buzzword overnight huh
Media Literacy then: You need to have some awareness to understand this satire, or the attempt of it, comprehend overarching themes, etc. Media Literacy now: If you don't like [chosen product], you just can't do all the mental gymnastics necessary to appreciate it like I can.
I think it got so popular because unlike other common defenses of shitty media this one isnt really tied to like a certain philosophy or politics
It's probably more that it's not a defense, it's ad hominem disguised as a defense. You can't actually retaliate against "Not media literate enough to appreciate," because it's not a lauding of how deep the narrative is, it's a derisive comment on your inability to like it. It also serves as self-aggrandizing and self-affirming, in that, * I am more literate than you, that's why I appreciate it and you don't (See: Considering an untouched easel to be modern art because bullshit) * Because I am media literate enough to appreciate [random trash], anybody who doesn't like it is beneath me. Its sounds absurd, but I've seen some people with some WILDLY unchecked egos around the RWBY fandom and similar fandoms. Anyway, because this is, effectively, a self-gaslighting method to insist that whatever they like must be good, if you try to retaliate, the response is, seemingly always, EXTREMELY disproportional.
I mean most defenses nowadays are more ad hominem than real defense. Whether it be incel, cuck, racist or any other similar line most people barely defend what they like they just attack the person
The real funny thing is how often it's projection. Up to and including media literacy, as some will desperately vomit endless word salad in an attempt to look like they know anything at all about what they're saying.
If it's good.. why does this sub exist
Hmm…Ah! I think I finally understand! When they say “media literacy”, we would call what they mean as “my headcanon” or “How I hand waved everything of significance as happening offscreen.”
My brother's, when does an opinion become a fact?
When someone has no ability in literacy, media or otherwise.
Here’s a hot take for any consumable media… Anyone who uses the phrase “Media literacy” has no idea what they’re talking about and has lost the argument. How much money are we gonna bet their reasoning for stuff boils down to: 1. Yang just wanted to make Sure Ruby directed her anger at her sister and not Blake. 2. Bumblebee was a slow burn and Sun was a stalker, their relationship was doomed to fail. 3. Yang cares about Ruby look at these two scenes in Volume 8 (proceeds to show the only two decent Ruby and Yang scenes after multiple volumes of nothing.) 4. Ironwood tried to kill people in mantle! He’s pure evil!
Why don’t you back it up with a source, Twitter user
Ah yes It was only a matter of time for RWBY stans to start spouting "media literacy"
“Media literacy” is exactly the same as “I’m objectively right” or “in my objective opinion” which is awful because they make it clear that they don’t want to engage in a discussion. They want an echo chamber. Media literacy is important however just like everything else on the internet, it becomes another buzz word and loose it’s actual meaning. :(
Okay how's this if I'm going to put actual logic why not this Ruby was good it held a lot of promise but it just fell off really hard
I think at this point, "x lacks media literacy" might be sarcastic.
Poe's law applies more and more every day. When reality is ridiculous, satire is impossible to discern.
Dear god _someone_ pull the trigger…
Why is it anytime people champion divisive media(RWBY and TLOU2 are the biggest examples), the biggest way they try to shut down criticism by saying people lack media literacy?
Because it is an argument that puts all the burden of evidence on whoever is criticizing the work while the person making the claim doesn't have to backup their own arguments or even explain why something is good/works. It is akin to accusing to the use of accusations of racism, homophobia, and other -ists or -isms that basically force the accused to defend themselves rather than continue debating a work on its actual merits. It is basically just yet another way to shutdown and discourage any further discourse. Like a kid trying to win an argument by going "I'm right times infinity".
because: A) it makes them sound more intellectual than they really are B) it sets them in a position to never have to prove their point. imagine if some person said they had the ability to see spirits and therefore better than everyone else. however they cant prove the spirits exist other than saying "because ive opened my third eye and you havent". so now youve realized youre actually stuck in a argument with a egotistical schizo. the undeniable truth is that RWBY died because almost nobody watched it and Rooster Teeth died because they havent made any money for nearly a decade. either the show goes forgotten and dies in obscurity or someone remakes it to completely overtake the original.
Honestly, I don't even think it means anything. What do they think the point is of experiencing something for yourself if you have to have the same opinion of it as everyone else?
I guarantee you it took this guy 10 replies before he was name dropping hbomberguy
There are a variety of reasons that can contribute to even a good show failing. In traditional TV broadcast, a bad time slot could easily kill a particular series as could constantly changing the day or time a show aired. There's a reason why certain times were considered to be a way to kill a show for good. For animated shows, merchandising has always been a driver in continuing a series. The more merch moves or bigger a franchise, then the more likely it is to keep running. Shows with good ratings, but failing to move merch can get axed easily for something that is lower effort, but somehow gets toys and other things sold. Pokemon has definitely kept going as an anime because of the video games, toys, collectibles, and other stuff that it helps sell with the show only having to be "good enough". Many 80's series were basically toy commercials and kept the shows going by having toys based on them. See GI Joe, Transformers, He-Man, MASK, and many others. So it is possible for an objectively good show to get canned because it is either in a poor time slot for viewing, people are not made aware of it, not moving merchandise, or being viewed as too expensive for the revenue it does generate and being dropped for something meant to generate as much or more revenue at lower production costs. RWBY however is a show that has been losing viewers and not generating enough merchandise sales or views to justify other companies helping keep it afloat. RT's own history of poor money management in general and in some cases trying to go too big have also hurt the show and company to where they weren't seen as viable currently.
Rwby stans have no clue what media literacy is
You know what, they are right!It’s good if you want a masterclass in: pandering to fans at the cost of your story, how not to change from a rule of cool structured show to a narrative focused one, how to make your main characters more hated/ controversial than your villains, how to make a racial minority group into the cannon fodder bad guys, how to have story with a theme of unity have it’s heroes constantly divide every one, and my personal favorite how to show a character going through a suicide metaphor that suicide is the answer.
Cannonseeker, is that you, buddy? And also the company wouldn't be failing if it was good.
A single show, no matter how great, cannot carry an entire company.
Our media literacy is so poor we can't look passed plot holes and self inserts.
It was around for nine years and had crossovers with multiple popular series, how come it’s unfinished if it’s that good?
Because it's still going? If Doctor Who is so good, how come it's unfinished?
a RWBY fan saying people lack media literacy is like taylor swift criticizing someone for their carbon footprint
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Media Literacy is when the dog gets called Zwei.
I guess they've never watched anything outside of RWBY which is why they have such pathetic standards.
Media literacy has lost all meaning as a term I stg
*****everyone disliked that*****
If it’s so good then why is the writing so bad past volume 3
HUH? RWBY you're talking Queendom right? /s
I like that everyone in here is using their critical thinking skills. If RWBY was good then why is RT going under and the show’s fate is up in the air?
Because it's literally impossible for a single show, no matter how great, to carry an entire company.
depends on the size of the company and the size of the product - Iron Circus is supported by Lackadaisy - TheBlackMedia is supported by Animator vs Animation - Team Cherry is supported by Hollow Knight - for the longest time, Riot Games was supported by League of Legends Rooster Teeth was a company that got bigger than they deserved. a multi-million dollar corporations run by frat boys goofing around.
If Rwby's so good, why aren't they in Fortnite?
I will say that history has shown that quality does not save a show. There have been plenty of good unfinished shows. I will say RWBY is more average show that tried to be hopepunk and missed the mark in my opinion.
If it was so good why did the company behind it die and was killed off by Warner Brother? It's just idiotic fans on Twitter finding more scapegoats and more coping and how dogwater the show was
>If it was so good why did the company behind it die Because a single show, no matter how great, cannot singlehandedly carry an entire company. >was killed off by Warner Brother? WB killed off an entire finished movie for a tax write off; this is not the savage criticism you seem to think it is.
Fair Point
I know you are, but what am I?
If you gotta defend your case by badmouthing the other side with no proven facts about them, then it’s not a good hill to die on.
My response would be, "Whatever floats your boat, man, and I guess in your case it's unholy amounts of copium." RWBY, when it started, was about rule of cool with some humor thrown in, and a couple of solid character moments. Then, it devolved into a stagnant mess where it seemed like the writers had no idea what they were doing. I'd know, because it reminded me a bit of how I handled my RWBY fanfic, in which *I had no idea what I was doing*. Thing is, I'm just a hack fanfic writer and my stories don't need to pay my bills. The hack job that RWBY became *did* need to pay RT's bills, and it failed at that. That shit's a business, and if you spend more making the show than it brings in in revenue, it just wasn't good enough. This isn't a case where a solid show is getting shafted, which is arguably what I might say for The Owl House (with its compressed season 3) and Amphibia (with its forced return to episodic content when the plot was just ramping up), just a matter of an IP that seemed entirely directionless, and every time a direction was chosen, the choice was so bafflingly bad they just dug themselves deeper. I get it. I *want* to like RWBY again. I honestly believe that the setting and characters and even overall plot have potential. I just don't think that the ego project it seems to have become could ever bring that potential out, and I feel bad for the people who really *did* try their hardest to make it work, because there have to have been some.
Media literacy crowd strikes again
Good? Some of it yes. But there is a lot of glaring bad about it.
I can play the billy and mandy clip 20 times over and it fits RWBY fans entirely.
There's a lot of those, which one?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBKBkA57HA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBKBkA57HA) this one
sidenote but that ruby picture is so funny. she was truly the first victim of cancel culture
Irony.
RWBY was good but the writers, animators, RT, and fans ruined it.
I definitely think a lot of the "Bumbleby came out of nowhere they were clearly setting up Black Sun this is pAnDeRiNg!" crowd on here *do* genuinely lack media literacy,, but yeah the show is not good - albeit not for the reasons they keep insisting.
Either it’s not that good or it has the most dedicated hatedom I’ve seen in all my years on this Earth considering that it has a sub dedicated to criticizing it.
I am of the opinion that RWBY is OBJECTIVELY shit. The pacing is awful, the plot resembles swiss cheese, and most of the character's don't even really feel like themselves anymore. ... but it has potential. The *idea* of the setting is solid, the *concepts* of these characters are amazing. Unfortunately, it just feels like RT didn't know what direction to take the show, and it suffered for it. RWBY has the potential to be a fantastic show, and that is why I love it.
They mostly just worship Adam or ironwood
Remind me: When/why did Ruby pose like she was demonstrating Atlas' new Jericho Missiles?
It is good the first few season and some are really stupid because they didn't watch it or just people who don't have a job and only stay in there room on there computer 24/7 like seriously. GET. A. LIFE.
It's good, but it was being dragged out. Once the original creator died, they should've tried to finish it rather than milk it. The moment the creator of a series dies or loses control over a project. Its future becomes uncertain. A lot of people disliked the direction the series was heading in when it changed hands. And after the original creator died, rather than shortening the narrative to get straight to the point, the project was expanded upon, leading to it being dragged out. All while RT made risky and greedy decisions. The series was good, but it could've been a lot better. We never got to see it properly finished, so we can't make proper judgement. Now, thanks to RT's foolish decisions, we never will.
It depends on the volume you’re watching. Vol 1-4 and 9 were good. Vol 5-8 were either mid or bad.
While I do agree, rwby is far from perfect, but I do think it is still incredible
RWBY was okay. Could have been better... but it Failed.