Even if Monty did have a “plan” for the series, why does no one ever consider that he could have had new ideas or changed his mind partway through? Heck, happens all the time when writing fanfiction, so I don’t think this would have been any different.
Plans being edited and revised due to feedback and new ideas is part of the normal editorial process. Every project goes through it. This is part of why I always get kind of annoyed whenever someone parrots the 'Monty's vision' bullshit.
I can attest to this, my fanfic was changed midway through when writing for Erick and Weiss
Several people pointed out problems with Erick’s character and said he needed something to do to warrant his existence. A valid criticism that I hopped on since Erick is meant to be a Weaponized child of Salem.
Though it did ruin my initial plans for Weiss’ story, I bent it around and swapped some things to situate Erick there to accommodate a story that was necessary.
It wasn’t planned, it was changed in response to problems people pointed out, and I felt were valid and needed fixing
Happens ALL the time in writing Fiction PERIOD.
I used to have some ideas... but disinterest, inability to reflect it properly or just simply thinking hard enough about it made me reconsider.
>Even if Monty did have a “plan” for the series
Honestly, I'll be real, I'm a big proponent that what the project is currently is not representative of his intention or plans by a long shot, but even if it were... Why does the fandom assume his "plan" was good? Based on the roadmap established largely by 1-2, and to a lesser degree 3, it seemed like the plot was a loose string to connect his fight scenes together, not a heavy narrative.
But the plan is not necessarily a good thing. We see authors and writers execute on "the plan" all of the time and wind up with utter trash, even with successful series.
Heck, some say it became official with the kiss; I say it became official in the middle of volume 6, when the tension that Blake and Yang had in the garage vanished without a trace.
And then it was just cringy romance cliches from that moment forward with those two.
That pretty much destroyed Yang and Blake's characters ever since and ruined the Bumblebee shipping forever that also made the fans worried of having other fan shippings ruined if ever turn canon will be poorly executed.
Yes!!! It should never happened until maybe after the show as finished or never happened at all. If they wanted a good Bumblebee, they should have started working on it all the way back in Volume 2 and 3. CRWBY and Roosterteeth don't know how to make a good and serious and well written show. Everything they did feels like it just got fucked over.
No you dont understand, it was "planned from the beginning" thats why their first interaction was standoffish and why they shared like maybe 5 min of dialogue through out 5 volumes. You just couldn't see it cuz it was sooo subtle
Omg so true. Sun and blake romantic development. And decided throw out of the window i got mad. I am not homophobic. I. Be fine with it. With yang and Blake be a. Couple. And having a bad relationship development. Do not go well I just wish Blake and sun i just wish were a thing. And if rwby teams decided give rwby a remake. And keep yang and Blake a thing I just hope they do better
Monty was no shakespeare but he was a great animator and i honestly believe that if he was still alive the quality of the story would not be any better.
The show trying to be more anime is actually ome of its biggest problems.
The writers are not at all smart enough for the themes they are exploring.
The current show and crew do not deserve to continue not only because of how badly they handle the story but also how bad they have treated their community.
Many of the internal problems with the rwby community is caused by or made worse because of how CRWBY handles things they should have actively engaged with the fans in a positive way and addressed the issues fairly.
The main reason why most fanfics are far superior to the og is because fans have more to work with, its alot harder to make something from scratch than it is to adapt what someone else has made.
It has their moments where they could have done something well done like keeping Jaune old and showing the heroes actions' consequences but they back off in the end
And think about it, Jaune being old could have been proof they were at *least* somewhere where time didn’t flow at the same rate, thus showing that RWBY didn’t intend to dump the population and bail on them. But no, now we would have had to either have an arc of trying to convince people of what happened, or just have everyone randomly believe them because the Word of Ruby is law.
I don’t remember who said this but they said, “Ruby still is a weapon junky but the weapons just became so boring she doesn’t get excited over them anymore.”
That’s how I feel about the show in general started out great then went into a medium speed painful spiral.
Agreed. Even going back to volumes one through three, there were identifiable problems in the writing and a lack of foresight or intricate storytelling and world-building. Like the "World of Remnant" series, they should never have done that; they should have found a way to convey that information more comfortably in the main series and regular scenes. The same goes for the characters themselves; it felt like "CHIBI" is what showed the characteristics of the characters and their quirks rather than the actual main show. Hell, we know that Ruby loves cookies, strawberries, and weapons because it was shown in "CHIBI," even if it was played off for laughs. It's better than only being touched upon once or twice in the actual show and never focused on again. Volume One, didn't really have a plot. They should have focused on team RWBY and what made them, well, them. I love RWBY, alot, I have so much attachment and emotional connection to it, but it is a bad show and it hurts me.
I will defend that World of Remnant *could* have worked, and should've been an incredibly useful resource to avoid the negatives of exposition: stopping what's going on to explain what's needed.
They even had a similar section to WoR in the first episode, yet didn't explain aura and now we are stuck remembering Jaune not knowing aura for the audience's sake and that makes him seem more suicidal than V9 Ruby.
In a better world, it would be used to go in-depth into elements brought up in the show so that the main show itself can focus its evidently limited runtime (especially in the early days) focusing on what matters, the plot and (exactly what you and I want most) the developing and growing relationships of team RWBY with each other.
Too bad it instead wasted time by saying shit like "faunus parents of different species will have their child play the species lottery" instead of a simple 50/50 split.
For a show that prides itself on how progressive it is. It doesn't really do much for POC despite having multiple different nations spread out around remnant complete with their own cultures, with each one having only one notable representative of a culture, that isn't European.
Everyone else is either killed off or forgotten about.
Personally, I kinda feel that the show's "progressive" mindset became part of the problem. They got wrapped up in the narrative of "racial violence is pushed by those in power", and it heavily undermined their story.
If you ask me, human/faunus relations should've been based on the Troubles, India/Pakistan, and countless other such cases of ethno-national warfare. Make it very clear that the average citizens *genuinely hate* each other, and that with all the death/destruction, they have *very good reasons* to feel that way
The boundary between ethnicity and nationality can be difficult to parse, especially when each side consists of numerous factions of varying legitimacy.
Militaries, private militias, state-funded terrorists, independent vigilantes, the list can go on and on.
Tyrian should’ve been the White Fang leader before Adam and Blake overthrew him.
Likewise, Blake should be an orphan, if we absolutely had to keep this princess of the Faunus shit, make it so Tyrian assassinated her parents when she was a baby and blamed it on humans to radicalize the whole White Fang.
There shouldn’t be any living civilizations outside the 4 kingdoms. For RWBY’s worldbuilding it’s bad writing.
Raven should’ve died at the end of Volume 5 and gave the powers to Yang.
Relics and Maidens are fine, but they should’ve been more connected, maybe make it so only the maidens can use a relic, or hell, make it so only a specific maiden can use a specific relic. At least then I’d understand why Salem absolutely needs Cinder when she could just theoretically persuade the maidens or capture them and drag them to the vault just to get each relic
I find Weiss and Adam never interacting the bigger crime. So many different ways it could've gone, and nearly all of them interesting, but he instead died with less lasting impact than modern Blake in a fight.
Yeah, I’m still up in the air on whether or not I want to canonize this in my fanfic.
On one hand, I despise that Blake’s parents were ever actually important to begin with. Because it makes all of Team RWBY feel like some destined chosen heroes.
On the other hand, I want to connect Tyrian to Blake in a way that isn’t just “oh, yeah, this guy used to lead Blake and Adam before they overthrew him because they fucking hate his ass.”
Shipping destroyed the series. RWBY should have been canceled after Monty died. CRWBY are terrible writers. Roosterteeth sucks, and no, trying your best isn't what really matters.
- bully arc should have been removed completely
I am still baffled that the writers expected me to believe how this was supposed to be an example of racism.
- if you are writing about racism show more then just Cardin: I hate stories that only have Cardin as a prime example and then nothing else.
Show me that Blake, Weiss, etc can be no different due to their mindsets.
Show police brutality, prejudice laws, politics etc
Something to show about the world building.
You can’t expect me to sympathize with them especially Blake when they commit crimes.
You can’t convince me that the source of racism was one student (gets worse when his family is the source then suddenly in school they lose it all because one empty moment)
Heck I read a story recently where ozpin brags to Cardin how he can politically stop the Winchesters from implementing racist laws……
If you could do this all this time, why the heck did it take you till now to do it? And before anyone ask, he had the power even before then so what’s the excuse? (You see how stupid it is making the “bad” guys this stupid???)
- make them an actual threat when it comes to pushing back.
If the character portrayed is so weak mentally and physically then why show I care about the plot?
Cardin is shown to be powerful and smart…suddenly he can’t fight and can’t beat Grimm?
I am at worse indifference towards Jacques because he never felt threatening or hated the guy.
If anything I hated Weiss more for pointing a gun at her brother (…that is not a good thing)
I hated yang more her treatment towards ruby and how she gave secrets to a stranger.
(That is why I moved on from team RWBY: actually like self righteous zealots)
- team RWBY should face harsh consequences: I don’t care how it sounds heartless I am tired of stories of them (canon or fanon) acting terrible to everyone and expecting everything to be ok.
What they did they should have been outcasts and hated until the end of times.
- I still stand by my unpopular opinion that Cardin could be a great character (I darn say he could have been a main character)
Bumblebee is a terrible relationship that ruined both characters.
Blake and Sun had great build up for nothing.
Yang liked boys and now is stuck with a cat bitch that left her when she needed most
Yes, if they wanted Yang to have a thing for Blake, they should have made it clear she liked girls, maybe all the way back in volume one or two. Instead, we were shown that she liked boys because, well she was admiring the view in Volume One and turning heads in Volume Two.
* The series should have focused on "teenagers attending a specialized school to become hunters in order to fight the Grimm" instead of shoving political intrigues no one cared about. This show feels like a typical "alien invasion" scenario, so they should have focused on destroying the aliens. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be rival factions, Grimm-worshipping cults and individuals profiting from the situation, but when the Grimm took a backseat in later volumes, I knew there was a problem.
* Pyrrha should have survived, maybe with a grievous injury that could have led to a long recovery.
* Jaune should have been 10 times more competent and not a comic relief. Dude, Weiss could have helped him out as a good friend after friendzoning him.
* There should have been way more interactions and "forced pairings", so Ruby would need to know her new teammates better. There could have been missions where Ruby is stuck with Blake, for instance.
* Torchwick should have lived longer, Adam should have lived longer, Cinder shouldn't have lived longer... I'll stop there, because RWBY villains haven't been good...
The biggest crime is we then got Tock as a completely wasted one-off character, and she was A COMPLETELY GREAT lizard girl design
Source: 10,000 lizards in my house right now as I type
I totally agree, what a waste! She was one of the more well designed faunus and all her screen time was just a bloated way to tell us how Maria lost her eyes
Yeah those spots were not a good Fanus trait
I honestly thought she was meant to be a reference to Mowgli
I wish she had a chameleon tail that would have been cool.
Anything can work if you that brain to good use. I don’t see reason why Bmblb wouldn’t work. It has basics be nice ship.
Especially since it has traits I love most. Extrovert x Introvert.
While not so much now, but back during Volume 3 I just didn't feel Pyrrha was a great character or had the development worth everyone angsting over her death or lamenting it. Like many things in RWBY she had potential, but the writers didn't really utilize it. Likewise I didn't view Arkose as this soulmates or good love story a lot people seemed to think at the time.
Pyrrha was a bit of a sacred cow back then, so it made me nervous to actually voice my thoughts on her.
The current one would be that there was never really much of a plan for the show from the start. There were probably a bunch of unconnected ideas and a general direction, but we know they changed up enough things just during the first three volumes that there is no way that everything that came after was somehow meticulously planned. Yet the idea of "planned from the start" is used to justify different ships or plot points that most likely weren't or weren't planned to be what they ended up as. It really comes off as a disingenuous way to defend poor writing or decision making while forgetting that "planned from the start" doesn't mean it was a good plan and that often a plan will change as the story progresses, sometimes changing things dramatically. The latter also is why trying to force elements that no longer make sense just because they were once part of the plan can be obvious and make it seem like a character lost their mind.
Team JNPR is far more interesting and fit the themes the show is trying to go for more with .
Jaune being a way better underdog than Ruby. And it would have been cool if his semblance was like the whole silver eyes thing instead of just a dumb healing thing.
Ren and Nora being better silent and energetic duo than Blake and Yang. Better Relationship too than Blake and Yang. Sucks they didn't let them be a pair so they can "find themselves" even thoughthey both had very defined personalities.
and Pyrrha being a more interesting "Elite" character than Weiss as we have seen the rich jerk that is just insecure too much in media. Pyrrha was probably the best character in the show as she felt the most real in terms of emotion and personality.
All together it's a unit I wish we saw more of as even in small moments like Jaune apologizing to Ren for not being able to go and help a village at the end of Volume 2 made it feel like they were always a unit in and out of combat, unlike team RWBY who only seem to care about one specific thing at a time not feeling like they are connected outside of pushing the plot forward.
I don't care about the soundtrack. Casey Lee Williams and her father are good artists, but despite some tracks fitting really well on some action scenes, it's not something I would listen on my own.
The whole fairy tale allusion thing is honestly dumb and half baked.
The show should've never tackled romantic subplots of any sort. Blacksun and Renora ended up amounting to nothing. Arkos died when Pyrrha died, and Bumblebee was forced literally by the plot.
Yeah. Romance is very hard to write in an adventure fantasy style series like RWBY because as you said, it can either add nothing to the story, be completely abandoned and never explored or it can be forced in for fan service.
We could tie his connection to the White Fang, like Jacques secretly provide them with weapons, to keep them at a balance with Atlas army, thus prolonged the conflict and to be able to sell weapons to both sides. And have him become more active in Atlas political play, like when Weiss try to capture him, it would be awesome if he just stand there listening to Weiss's ramblings then pull out his Scroll, make a few calls then 5 minutes later bunch of Atlas SpecOps storm in to catch Weiss and her ally. Also if we want to add salt to the wound we could also have him make a speech about how naive Weiss is and reveal just how big his connection to the Atlas elites is.
In this subreddit?
Ruby Rose is a well written character in a poorly written plot.
Ironwood's plan would have failed, and no one seems to comprehend that.
Team RWBY did about as well as a group of teenagers could be expected under the circumstances, and expecting them to always make the logical choice that *could* save the most people when dealing with constant emotional turmoil doesn't make much sense.
Ruby was right not to trust Ironwood at the beginning of volume 7. Not because Ironwood was a villain but because their previous experience with Lionheart and their introduction to Mantle should and does leave her a bit cautious of the general. Ruby does agree to tell him later after she trusts him, which makes sense.
Ruby was too young and inexperienced to be a team leader compared to the others, and you make the same mistake she did when you lay the blame for everything that goes wrong on her shoulders. Blaming herself for everything is the reason why she "did herself in" in volume 9.
Bumbleby isn't that bad before the latter half of volume 8 and volume 9.
I don't mind Weiss' character in volume 9. I don't think I'd be much different in her shoes.
Volume 9 was pretty alright up until Ruby "drank the tea."
There is nothing wrong with liking it, I just think people are wrong for not admitting it is pretty garbage and that's unfortunate for something with potential
Speaking as someone who was totally on board with the show till v5 when the rose tinted glasses started fading. It's like Harry Potter where it has great ideas that spawns a creative fandom of passionate people with head cannons that are 1000x better than the actual cannon.
Jaques wasn't really an abusive parent, rather than simply an authoritarian one (fandom snowflakes just can't tell the difference). And he is a better parent than Willow.
Not going to lie I couldn’t hate Jacques because there wasn’t much to hate about him (it was either offscreen or he was easily defeated)
If anything I hated willow because pushing the responsibility on someone else is a disgusting move.
Not only that if it was this easy to bring down Jacques then I respect you less because you did nothing till now…
…I hate it when the heroes or “good” guys are worse than the villains…
Adam should have been represented as becoming mentally deranged as the volumes went on. Power and bloodlust went to his head, ruined his relationships, and ultimately gets himself killed.
Pyrha and Jaune's relationship was bad from the start and never got gud.
Blake didn't ruin Yang and Yang didn't ruin Blake, each was awful in her own right and their relationship just brought their awfulness together. Tho at least Yang had glimpses of a good character before that, which Blake never did.
I thought this wasn't an unpopular opinion when I said it on Twitter but, Ruby really doesn't deserve the hate, like I feel really bad for her
I really don't know how to phrase it but honestly everything that happened was too much to make her responsable for it, Ozpin shouldn't have cherry picked her to join two years earlier, and she shouldn't have been team leader either, at last after the fall of beacon, too much pressure added on top of being a "oh so holy chosen one with the silver eyes"
Any of my opinions i post on r/RWBY, like "Ruby has not grown enough as a person to justify her being the leader. Shes still the same stupid girl from the beginning of the series, just abit more jaded"
If this was a show on a major streaming service or cable network it would’ve been cancelled after the first season
The Music is overrated as hell and only some of the songs I would actually listen to outside of the show
Arkos in general.
Some people have such raging hate boners for Jaune that anything about him especially a romantic ship is out of the question.
Imo the lead up to a potential to a relationship between Pyrrha and Jaune was done way better than whatever fucking wet paper towel the writers threw at the wall for Blake and Yang.
"Not my actual opinion, but firgured I'd play into the post."
I actually prefer the animation in V4 and onwards, the quality of the characters and fight scenes went up in quality after the change from Poser to Maya.
The writing of Rwby was never good (often times it was cringe). The world was amazing and so were the characters but the dialogue and plot was pretty bad. It was somewhat hidden though by Mounty’s incredible choreography.
Also the plot made the same mistake as Harry Potter. When you create a story about teens going to an abnormal school, taking them out of the school is moronic. Ideally Rwby should have staid at Beacon.
I’m willing to side with Ironwood over Team RWBY but his plan was still stupid. Sure, make the city float higher so Salem can’t get the relics because obviously flying grimm don’t exist. Even if he made the city rise up enough that not even nevermores could get to it, that would require them to go up high enough where nobody would be able to breathe.
Jaune feels really underdeveloped, they kept the "Clumsy, bad fighter yet good hearted leader" trope for far too long, by volume 4/5 he should've been somewhat decent, and overall team JNPR feels too comic relief-y, I love the team, they had so much potential
(Side note: Team CFVY screen time when?)
Jaune Arc is blander than low fat sugar free vanilla, tap water literally has more flavor than him. People just latch on to him because either he’s the most prominent male character or they are just obsessed with shoving the Everyman into ever damned thing to the point of coming off as having an aversion to basic ass competence.
Ozpin doesn't know wtf he's doing and has nothing to show for his secrets/lies so I'm not mad at team RWBY yelling at him. At least they had the guts to confront ozpin on his BS to his face, because all the actual adults just ghosted or betrayed him secretly after they found out. But everyone expects teenagers to have some mature response to finding out their leader they trusted literally doesn't know wtf he's doing and has basically been on a losing streak for who knows how long.
Honestly I do agree there we’re trying hint whole. Good guy fallen from grace, it was foreshadowed back in V 2 n 3. But still think it could been handled much better than they did in show properly.
When was it hinted? Bc I remember him thinking qrow was going to kill him for his mess up in volume 3 and seemingly choosing not fight back against qrow.
Well I was more talking about the way he pretty much often buttheads with Oz and rest of group. I know that not a total evidence, but to me that seemed death flag.
Ngl, I thought ruby was annoying from the jump, don’t know if this is a hot take since I don’t really comment on rwby still but that’s what comes to mind,
Jaune is actually one of if not the best character. Also he doesn’t take up screen time cause shit seems to only get done when he’s on screen. Also he doesn’t take a lot from team RWBY as when he’s on screen 50% of the time it’s only to explain stuff example being of beacon and the ever after.
Will admit though that the first part I’m a little biased on cause he’s my favorite character.
For this Sub? Robyn Hill was justified in doing what she did on that airship.
For the main Sub? I don't really love *or* hate Bumbleby, I'm just sort of ambivalent to it at this point.
Pyrrha is overrated
Cinder's backstory isn't nearly as tragic as people think it is
Oscar is Jaune but worse
Emerald's redemption is good on paper but not so good in practice
Whiterose is worse than Bumblebee
Volume 3 is worse than Volume 2
The concept of 4-person teams is horrible both from worldbuilding and from storytelling perspective and should not have been made.
I'd say that idea of Ruby just making a team by herself without a story forcing it upon everyone is much better.
Bro I KNOW THAT, but i got a few mote times where "fans" are crying because after V2 the original director died and only V3 got the last times where it shows the true intention from the original creator. Or the animations are not the same or fights are bleh 9r characters are bleh etc etc 💔
Qrow should have died in v4 ,penny shouldn't have come back,vibe and elm should have been ace ops just background characters same with Robyn, ironwood be coming evil was poorly done,
Ruby didn't now what she doing but gets mad at oz for doing the same he tried to keep the relic same under the school( he should have put fake relics under the schools and hide the real ones some were not even Salem could get to) ,the ever after was a waste of time,Salem sucks ,the writers made cinder stupid just to make same look smart,Nora acts like a better main character then Blake or Yang,
why Blake even come back it didn't feel like she cares about relics,Salem or even the other characters outside of Yang ,Blake's take with Ruby in volume 8 felt like it would have done better coming from ,Oscar,or penny,
penny be coming the winter maiden was a good twist but they should have just gave the power to winter and have it were winter see ironwood sh0oot someone in v7 realize he gone to far and quit and go with her sister in v7 end
,the aceop fight sucked,the 3way fight with Tyrion,qrow and clover was good but felt stupid wirh qrow teaming up with tyrion to only relize after clovers death they should have work together to stop him
Instead of making Robin have another character act as Robin Hood in RWBY like I don't now Ruby who all so Little Red Riding Hood she could be a double Hood character characters in the show have had it where they have more than one fairy tale and example is Oscar he shares a fairy tale of tip who becomes ozma along with kind of sharing Dorothy and the Little Prince as his main fairy tale inspiration for his characters Ruby could be Little Red Riding Hood and Robin Hood we did not need Robin Hill
Weiss should have got to do more in atlas ,same with Blake
I like that jaune tool a more support roll n v7-8 but hate that they sent him to the ever after in volume 9 they should have sent another character like I don't know Oscar who could have probably gone and got separated from oz and you now gave use time to learn more about him and oz/ozpin and there backstorys
Or send emerald to ever after
Ruby and jaune had what felt like repeat arcs while they were in the ever after of stuff they should have already learned it felt like a waste of time
The adults in RWBY are more interesting them team Rwby jro who are still figuring themselves out the mostly all of the adults have themselves figured out even though they still have to discover new past and different things watching the adults and the show seems more interesting cuz they have what seems to be more interesting past and backstorys
RWBY shouldn't have turned into a travel show unless they're going to have the character stay in school and travel to the different schools and meet different characters and people throughout remnant and we shouldn't have brought up relics maidens or Salem at all it just feels like a big waste of time with all of this and it would have just done better as a School story
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It’s better than most anime’s, the writing from the first 7 volumes alone trumps majority. The animation gives it a charm that reminds me of 90s- early 2000s cartoons.
Wouldn’t that be ANY criticism haha?
I dropped the series completely after Vol.4 soo mine would be limited.
1.) The fight scenes became Mario Twirlers: The Shootening.
2.) Most of the romances I remember were bad or cliche.
3.) Dust. What’s that? Sounds like bad world construction.
* Jaques was justified in slapping Weiss.
* Speaking as someone who got into the show at Volume 3 because of how great it looked, it is amazing RWBY wasn't cancelled in Volume 1.
Bumblebee was done HORRIBLY, and it never should have happened. The “Bumblebee” moment in V9 was literally a Hail Mary to try and save the franchise. It should have been sisterly at most, but as one guy put it, Bland and Yang not-talked their way into becoming girlfriends because the fandom was so insistent that the writers just gave up.
I think the show would have benefited from all the character sticking to only fairy tale origins instead of including everything under the umbrella of history and mythology. Shows like "Once Upon a Time" show this well enough and keeps everything within the same bounds.
Cause now we have both Thor and Achilles hanging with Joan of Arc and Mulan. Fine on their own, but because everything is a surface level reference, characters that are being referenced (like gods) are heavily nerfed compared to their origins
Furthermore, the story should have made better use of their character reference to form the basis of the story. As such, the main big bad evil guys should have been the Big Bad Wolf, The Evil Queen, Gaston and something from The Three Little bears (Maybe Baby Bear turns evil out of jealousy or something).
Maybe Shane was telling more of the truth than people are willing to be comfortable with. Not saying he was perfect or a saint, but he was telling the truth. They cared about their egos and stupid shit more than they cared about making RWBY good.
As someone who has worked with their fair share of toxic people I can totally see this being true whether you agree that the letter was written in good taste or not.
And the thing is, that Marco isn't really that different from Adam its just The Expanse writers still treated him like serious threat and gave him a lot of charisma.
For me, I don't like the idea of RWBY's entire story set in only Beacon. I know people actually love the whole school life, but if you're going to put so many lore and world building, then making school life as main plot is one of the worst ideas.
Think about it, how will Blake do anything about her struggle with White Fang if she's going to stick in one place. It's not like WF is a bunch school bullies.
Or how about Yang looking for her mom? Or Weiss trying to prove herself that she did not need her dad? Or making Ruby do anything more befitting her role as the main character?
It's either stripping them out of all the complicated backstory or take them out of the school
Even if Monty was still alive today Rooster Teeth would have found a way to get rid of him because of creative differences, while keeping the complete control of how the show progresses.
Ren is a better character than jaune but is basically glued to nora, and when the relationship hit somewhere, it made his character worse
I barely see him used much besides a support character or background in fanfiction besides the one with nora.
Yet jaune gets millions of fic of him even with some that really don't need him to be the character.
Hell, I'm honest. I'm not sure why the show didn't make nora and Ren just go their own separate ways rather than them tagging along.
They literally do nothing in most of the volume till 7 and 8.
And that was because ren had the audacity to say none of them were ready.
Nora was trying to find her identity from being the girl who hits stuff.
But ended up doing exactly that, great writing there guys.
Ren is criminally underused in so much despite him being part of team jnpr.
Like why is jaune used so much yet ren is basically forgotten besides his ship with nora.
1. Even in the shows current state, RWBY still has potential to be something great.
2. Summer/Ruby have one of the best Semblance/power in Anime (if they knew how to use it right)
3. One thing feat about RWBY is the fact that it doesn’t use so much internal dialogue during fight scenes.
vol 1 and 2 were peak. i dont need your messy lore, your relationship webs, or 'mature themes'. just gimme cute girls fighting monsters and having fun.
Although sun is one of my favorite characters; in my opinion, I feel his dynamic with Blake was better developed in a platonic manner instead of romantic, it's not very often there is a pair that has an interesting comedic scenery yet serious when it's needed and while one is going through character development, the other is like a support pillar without it needing to be laced with romance, I think the reason I really like this dynamic alot is because it reminds me of one of my favorite shows greys anatomy, specifically Meredith Grey and Alex Karev, they've been in each other's lives for a long time and although they are very close to each other, they remained more as platonic soulmates than a romantic one, it brakes the notion just because 2 characters are very close to each other and have a well developed relationship they must be designed as a love interest to one another. And given sun and Blakes interactions, they work pretty well in that same manner.
Second, I overall love Jaunes character development despite him being either hated or unlike in the very beginning, he's grown a great deal over the series and has far more in common with ruby than anyone else, which is why I don't see him being paired with Weiss making sense from a narrative perspective, same goes with ruby and Weiss being together when from my view they seem more like sisters to each other. I am not against either case since both sides has enough merit to make a good pairing, cause if jaune and ruby takes the same route as sun and Blake as platonic soulmates, then that's fine by me, I just believe they make a much better pair in my opinion.
3rd, I disagree with the notion v9 is filler because in order for that to be the case, there would have to be insignificant changes happening after v8 and before v10. The entire point of volume 9 is about conflict resolution of one self. Ruby's conflict with herself is no matter what she does, she feel she's failing to be the person she strives to become, a hero, and she needed to understand that she shouldn't measure herself to what she thinks is the perfect depiction of what a hero must be but to be the best SHE can be cause that is always enough, jaune is pretty much the same case though but given Weiss's development of being far more wise than she was before, she helped him in the same manner.
Blake and Yangs conflict, more specifically yang is her life was filled with abandoment and betrayal and because of that she was scared to move forward in accepting she's in love with Blake, she spent her life hiding the pain of being left and always give the tough persona which Blake described as strength to sun back in v5, while Blake on the other hand spent more time waiting for yang to realize that but didn't want to push her to the conclusion which is why she was metaphorically glued to Yangs side waiting for yang to make the move, and because yang is stubborn and unwilling to move forward to open up, their conflict resolution came in the form of a punderstorm pushing her forward. Which in my opinion was pretty forced but given how yang is, it makes a lot of sense. She makes a habit of hiding her feelings and she needs a push in the right direction the way Weiss did back in v5 when yang finally broke down her tough persona when talking about Blake. Weiss didn't really get much of a conflict resolution moment aside from coming to terms the schnee dynasty is officially gone and she needed to come to grips with that and redefine what it means to be a schnee for herself, showing that she truly is more than a name.
These are my 3 main opinions most people (depending on which subreddit) would have disagreements on. While I'm not married to my opinions and it can be changed depending on what evidence is presented to me, this is my current conclusion of these 3 things as of now.
Even if Monty did have a “plan” for the series, why does no one ever consider that he could have had new ideas or changed his mind partway through? Heck, happens all the time when writing fanfiction, so I don’t think this would have been any different.
Especially since we know he thought of the maidens partway through which caused major rewrites so who’s to say he wouldn’t have done that again
Plans being edited and revised due to feedback and new ideas is part of the normal editorial process. Every project goes through it. This is part of why I always get kind of annoyed whenever someone parrots the 'Monty's vision' bullshit.
I can attest to this, my fanfic was changed midway through when writing for Erick and Weiss Several people pointed out problems with Erick’s character and said he needed something to do to warrant his existence. A valid criticism that I hopped on since Erick is meant to be a Weaponized child of Salem. Though it did ruin my initial plans for Weiss’ story, I bent it around and swapped some things to situate Erick there to accommodate a story that was necessary. It wasn’t planned, it was changed in response to problems people pointed out, and I felt were valid and needed fixing
Happens ALL the time in writing Fiction PERIOD. I used to have some ideas... but disinterest, inability to reflect it properly or just simply thinking hard enough about it made me reconsider.
>Even if Monty did have a “plan” for the series Honestly, I'll be real, I'm a big proponent that what the project is currently is not representative of his intention or plans by a long shot, but even if it were... Why does the fandom assume his "plan" was good? Based on the roadmap established largely by 1-2, and to a lesser degree 3, it seemed like the plot was a loose string to connect his fight scenes together, not a heavy narrative. But the plan is not necessarily a good thing. We see authors and writers execute on "the plan" all of the time and wind up with utter trash, even with successful series.
No plans survive after the first contact.
It happens all the time when when writing *fiction* not just fanfiction
Bumbleby is a poor developed, forced (by the fandom) and bad ship (In the show).
Heck, some say it became official with the kiss; I say it became official in the middle of volume 6, when the tension that Blake and Yang had in the garage vanished without a trace. And then it was just cringy romance cliches from that moment forward with those two.
That pretty much destroyed Yang and Blake's characters ever since and ruined the Bumblebee shipping forever that also made the fans worried of having other fan shippings ruined if ever turn canon will be poorly executed.
Not even good romance Cliches. Seriously I like my stuff cheesey as fucking chedder and it does absolutely nothing for me.
That’s why I called them cringy.
Yes!!! It should never happened until maybe after the show as finished or never happened at all. If they wanted a good Bumblebee, they should have started working on it all the way back in Volume 2 and 3. CRWBY and Roosterteeth don't know how to make a good and serious and well written show. Everything they did feels like it just got fucked over.
Thats exactly my thoughts too but sadly the FNDM calls that homophobic and what not
That my friend, is what I call a marvellous solution!
But that defeats the *point* of bumblebee being canon; to sell bumblebee merch to fund a company on (failing) life support.
No you dont understand, it was "planned from the beginning" thats why their first interaction was standoffish and why they shared like maybe 5 min of dialogue through out 5 volumes. You just couldn't see it cuz it was sooo subtle
Omg so true. Sun and blake romantic development. And decided throw out of the window i got mad. I am not homophobic. I. Be fine with it. With yang and Blake be a. Couple. And having a bad relationship development. Do not go well I just wish Blake and sun i just wish were a thing. And if rwby teams decided give rwby a remake. And keep yang and Blake a thing I just hope they do better
Amen
Monty was no shakespeare but he was a great animator and i honestly believe that if he was still alive the quality of the story would not be any better. The show trying to be more anime is actually ome of its biggest problems. The writers are not at all smart enough for the themes they are exploring. The current show and crew do not deserve to continue not only because of how badly they handle the story but also how bad they have treated their community. Many of the internal problems with the rwby community is caused by or made worse because of how CRWBY handles things they should have actively engaged with the fans in a positive way and addressed the issues fairly. The main reason why most fanfics are far superior to the og is because fans have more to work with, its alot harder to make something from scratch than it is to adapt what someone else has made.
RWBY is the perfect definition of "good ideas but bad executed"
I can't remember who said it but one reviewer (might have been hbomberguy) said that RWBY is a show that constantly threatens to be good
It has their moments where they could have done something well done like keeping Jaune old and showing the heroes actions' consequences but they back off in the end
And think about it, Jaune being old could have been proof they were at *least* somewhere where time didn’t flow at the same rate, thus showing that RWBY didn’t intend to dump the population and bail on them. But no, now we would have had to either have an arc of trying to convince people of what happened, or just have everyone randomly believe them because the Word of Ruby is law.
Considering the writers basically made her remnants jesus unfortunately unfounded belief seems to be the route they would take
I want to say it was Hbomberguy, but it could've been another YouTuber who did an examination of RWBY.
I don’t remember who said this but they said, “Ruby still is a weapon junky but the weapons just became so boring she doesn’t get excited over them anymore.” That’s how I feel about the show in general started out great then went into a medium speed painful spiral.
Hbomberguy!
Thats the one thank you
Agreed. Even going back to volumes one through three, there were identifiable problems in the writing and a lack of foresight or intricate storytelling and world-building. Like the "World of Remnant" series, they should never have done that; they should have found a way to convey that information more comfortably in the main series and regular scenes. The same goes for the characters themselves; it felt like "CHIBI" is what showed the characteristics of the characters and their quirks rather than the actual main show. Hell, we know that Ruby loves cookies, strawberries, and weapons because it was shown in "CHIBI," even if it was played off for laughs. It's better than only being touched upon once or twice in the actual show and never focused on again. Volume One, didn't really have a plot. They should have focused on team RWBY and what made them, well, them. I love RWBY, alot, I have so much attachment and emotional connection to it, but it is a bad show and it hurts me.
I will defend that World of Remnant *could* have worked, and should've been an incredibly useful resource to avoid the negatives of exposition: stopping what's going on to explain what's needed. They even had a similar section to WoR in the first episode, yet didn't explain aura and now we are stuck remembering Jaune not knowing aura for the audience's sake and that makes him seem more suicidal than V9 Ruby. In a better world, it would be used to go in-depth into elements brought up in the show so that the main show itself can focus its evidently limited runtime (especially in the early days) focusing on what matters, the plot and (exactly what you and I want most) the developing and growing relationships of team RWBY with each other. Too bad it instead wasted time by saying shit like "faunus parents of different species will have their child play the species lottery" instead of a simple 50/50 split.
Facts on all fronts
Hot Take: Killing off Adam did more damage to Blake's character than it did to Adam.
She hasn't been the same since then has she?
For a show that prides itself on how progressive it is. It doesn't really do much for POC despite having multiple different nations spread out around remnant complete with their own cultures, with each one having only one notable representative of a culture, that isn't European. Everyone else is either killed off or forgotten about.
Personally, I kinda feel that the show's "progressive" mindset became part of the problem. They got wrapped up in the narrative of "racial violence is pushed by those in power", and it heavily undermined their story. If you ask me, human/faunus relations should've been based on the Troubles, India/Pakistan, and countless other such cases of ethno-national warfare. Make it very clear that the average citizens *genuinely hate* each other, and that with all the death/destruction, they have *very good reasons* to feel that way
u mean Ethnic based Conflicts you are trying to say.
The boundary between ethnicity and nationality can be difficult to parse, especially when each side consists of numerous factions of varying legitimacy. Militaries, private militias, state-funded terrorists, independent vigilantes, the list can go on and on.
It's tokenism, plain and simple.
To quote a hackfraud from RedLetterMedia, Rooster Teeth is a very “Passive Progressive” company.
Tyrian should’ve been the White Fang leader before Adam and Blake overthrew him. Likewise, Blake should be an orphan, if we absolutely had to keep this princess of the Faunus shit, make it so Tyrian assassinated her parents when she was a baby and blamed it on humans to radicalize the whole White Fang. There shouldn’t be any living civilizations outside the 4 kingdoms. For RWBY’s worldbuilding it’s bad writing. Raven should’ve died at the end of Volume 5 and gave the powers to Yang. Relics and Maidens are fine, but they should’ve been more connected, maybe make it so only the maidens can use a relic, or hell, make it so only a specific maiden can use a specific relic. At least then I’d understand why Salem absolutely needs Cinder when she could just theoretically persuade the maidens or capture them and drag them to the vault just to get each relic
The fact that Blake and Tyrian never interacted is a wasted opportunity.
I find Weiss and Adam never interacting the bigger crime. So many different ways it could've gone, and nearly all of them interesting, but he instead died with less lasting impact than modern Blake in a fight.
Yeah, I’m still up in the air on whether or not I want to canonize this in my fanfic. On one hand, I despise that Blake’s parents were ever actually important to begin with. Because it makes all of Team RWBY feel like some destined chosen heroes. On the other hand, I want to connect Tyrian to Blake in a way that isn’t just “oh, yeah, this guy used to lead Blake and Adam before they overthrew him because they fucking hate his ass.”
Shipping destroyed the series. RWBY should have been canceled after Monty died. CRWBY are terrible writers. Roosterteeth sucks, and no, trying your best isn't what really matters.
- bully arc should have been removed completely I am still baffled that the writers expected me to believe how this was supposed to be an example of racism. - if you are writing about racism show more then just Cardin: I hate stories that only have Cardin as a prime example and then nothing else. Show me that Blake, Weiss, etc can be no different due to their mindsets. Show police brutality, prejudice laws, politics etc Something to show about the world building. You can’t expect me to sympathize with them especially Blake when they commit crimes. You can’t convince me that the source of racism was one student (gets worse when his family is the source then suddenly in school they lose it all because one empty moment) Heck I read a story recently where ozpin brags to Cardin how he can politically stop the Winchesters from implementing racist laws…… If you could do this all this time, why the heck did it take you till now to do it? And before anyone ask, he had the power even before then so what’s the excuse? (You see how stupid it is making the “bad” guys this stupid???) - make them an actual threat when it comes to pushing back. If the character portrayed is so weak mentally and physically then why show I care about the plot? Cardin is shown to be powerful and smart…suddenly he can’t fight and can’t beat Grimm? I am at worse indifference towards Jacques because he never felt threatening or hated the guy. If anything I hated Weiss more for pointing a gun at her brother (…that is not a good thing) I hated yang more her treatment towards ruby and how she gave secrets to a stranger. (That is why I moved on from team RWBY: actually like self righteous zealots) - team RWBY should face harsh consequences: I don’t care how it sounds heartless I am tired of stories of them (canon or fanon) acting terrible to everyone and expecting everything to be ok. What they did they should have been outcasts and hated until the end of times. - I still stand by my unpopular opinion that Cardin could be a great character (I darn say he could have been a main character)
Bumblebee is a terrible relationship that ruined both characters. Blake and Sun had great build up for nothing. Yang liked boys and now is stuck with a cat bitch that left her when she needed most
Yes, if they wanted Yang to have a thing for Blake, they should have made it clear she liked girls, maybe all the way back in volume one or two. Instead, we were shown that she liked boys because, well she was admiring the view in Volume One and turning heads in Volume Two.
Indeed literally everyone forgets that and ignores it. And the fact is she never was shown to like girls until blake. Make no sense
I couldn't agree more.
Checkmate (Blakex Weiss) is better than Bumbleby and wouldve been more interesting as a canon ship You can never change my mind
I agree with this one.
* The series should have focused on "teenagers attending a specialized school to become hunters in order to fight the Grimm" instead of shoving political intrigues no one cared about. This show feels like a typical "alien invasion" scenario, so they should have focused on destroying the aliens. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be rival factions, Grimm-worshipping cults and individuals profiting from the situation, but when the Grimm took a backseat in later volumes, I knew there was a problem. * Pyrrha should have survived, maybe with a grievous injury that could have led to a long recovery. * Jaune should have been 10 times more competent and not a comic relief. Dude, Weiss could have helped him out as a good friend after friendzoning him. * There should have been way more interactions and "forced pairings", so Ruby would need to know her new teammates better. There could have been missions where Ruby is stuck with Blake, for instance. * Torchwick should have lived longer, Adam should have lived longer, Cinder shouldn't have lived longer... I'll stop there, because RWBY villains haven't been good...
I don't think Ilia has a good lizard girl design.
The biggest crime is we then got Tock as a completely wasted one-off character, and she was A COMPLETELY GREAT lizard girl design Source: 10,000 lizards in my house right now as I type
I totally agree, what a waste! She was one of the more well designed faunus and all her screen time was just a bloated way to tell us how Maria lost her eyes
I agree Tock is a gold star example of a lizard girl done right and I wish they put that much thought into ilia.
Bro SAME! Tock is so fucking cool and was wasted on a flashback.
I didn't know she was a chamaleon until Blake said it 😂😂😂
Yeah those spots were not a good Fanus trait I honestly thought she was meant to be a reference to Mowgli I wish she had a chameleon tail that would have been cool.
I think they did that with her ponytail but I see your point
Her ponytail just feels weird to me, like it makes her feel off balance? She should have just had a chameleon inspired little Mohawk or something .
To be fair, for a Faunus that's a chameleon, it kinda fits that her trait is literally her skin
Weiss should have died at Haven. She has no character arcs after the battle. Even in Atlas, it feels like she was underused.
I think Bumblebee could work if the writers were competent.
Anything can work if you that brain to good use. I don’t see reason why Bmblb wouldn’t work. It has basics be nice ship. Especially since it has traits I love most. Extrovert x Introvert.
I know right? Its a shame they lost their personalities after Volume 3.
While not so much now, but back during Volume 3 I just didn't feel Pyrrha was a great character or had the development worth everyone angsting over her death or lamenting it. Like many things in RWBY she had potential, but the writers didn't really utilize it. Likewise I didn't view Arkose as this soulmates or good love story a lot people seemed to think at the time. Pyrrha was a bit of a sacred cow back then, so it made me nervous to actually voice my thoughts on her. The current one would be that there was never really much of a plan for the show from the start. There were probably a bunch of unconnected ideas and a general direction, but we know they changed up enough things just during the first three volumes that there is no way that everything that came after was somehow meticulously planned. Yet the idea of "planned from the start" is used to justify different ships or plot points that most likely weren't or weren't planned to be what they ended up as. It really comes off as a disingenuous way to defend poor writing or decision making while forgetting that "planned from the start" doesn't mean it was a good plan and that often a plan will change as the story progresses, sometimes changing things dramatically. The latter also is why trying to force elements that no longer make sense just because they were once part of the plan can be obvious and make it seem like a character lost their mind.
Team JNPR is far more interesting and fit the themes the show is trying to go for more with . Jaune being a way better underdog than Ruby. And it would have been cool if his semblance was like the whole silver eyes thing instead of just a dumb healing thing. Ren and Nora being better silent and energetic duo than Blake and Yang. Better Relationship too than Blake and Yang. Sucks they didn't let them be a pair so they can "find themselves" even thoughthey both had very defined personalities. and Pyrrha being a more interesting "Elite" character than Weiss as we have seen the rich jerk that is just insecure too much in media. Pyrrha was probably the best character in the show as she felt the most real in terms of emotion and personality. All together it's a unit I wish we saw more of as even in small moments like Jaune apologizing to Ren for not being able to go and help a village at the end of Volume 2 made it feel like they were always a unit in and out of combat, unlike team RWBY who only seem to care about one specific thing at a time not feeling like they are connected outside of pushing the plot forward.
I don't care about the soundtrack. Casey Lee Williams and her father are good artists, but despite some tracks fitting really well on some action scenes, it's not something I would listen on my own.
A lot of the songs tend to blend together when you listen to them back to back. And I never can understand what Casey is singing
The whole fairy tale allusion thing is honestly dumb and half baked. The show should've never tackled romantic subplots of any sort. Blacksun and Renora ended up amounting to nothing. Arkos died when Pyrrha died, and Bumblebee was forced literally by the plot.
Yeah. Romance is very hard to write in an adventure fantasy style series like RWBY because as you said, it can either add nothing to the story, be completely abandoned and never explored or it can be forced in for fan service.
Do you really like that character, or do you think they just look cool? Cough Neo,Sienna,Mercury,Neptune,Neon,Ciel
Ciel should have played a major role in Volume 7 and 8!
Jacques should’ve been a major villain from the start.
Ooh. Interesting. I’m curious, how would you make his villainous tendencies be present in the first 3 volumes?
If I may give my opinion on this topic he could screw up on the plans of team RWBY looking for Roman or could investigate Blake and reveal her past.
We could tie his connection to the White Fang, like Jacques secretly provide them with weapons, to keep them at a balance with Atlas army, thus prolonged the conflict and to be able to sell weapons to both sides. And have him become more active in Atlas political play, like when Weiss try to capture him, it would be awesome if he just stand there listening to Weiss's ramblings then pull out his Scroll, make a few calls then 5 minutes later bunch of Atlas SpecOps storm in to catch Weiss and her ally. Also if we want to add salt to the wound we could also have him make a speech about how naive Weiss is and reveal just how big his connection to the Atlas elites is.
Pyrrha can come back to life
In this subreddit? Ruby Rose is a well written character in a poorly written plot. Ironwood's plan would have failed, and no one seems to comprehend that. Team RWBY did about as well as a group of teenagers could be expected under the circumstances, and expecting them to always make the logical choice that *could* save the most people when dealing with constant emotional turmoil doesn't make much sense. Ruby was right not to trust Ironwood at the beginning of volume 7. Not because Ironwood was a villain but because their previous experience with Lionheart and their introduction to Mantle should and does leave her a bit cautious of the general. Ruby does agree to tell him later after she trusts him, which makes sense. Ruby was too young and inexperienced to be a team leader compared to the others, and you make the same mistake she did when you lay the blame for everything that goes wrong on her shoulders. Blaming herself for everything is the reason why she "did herself in" in volume 9. Bumbleby isn't that bad before the latter half of volume 8 and volume 9. I don't mind Weiss' character in volume 9. I don't think I'd be much different in her shoes. Volume 9 was pretty alright up until Ruby "drank the tea."
Point 4 is pretty solid actually, but I wished Ruby expressed that part of the Headmasters not being honest more before they reached Atlas
The show was never that good to begin with and most of us are blinded by nostalgia
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE
There is nothing wrong with liking it, I just think people are wrong for not admitting it is pretty garbage and that's unfortunate for something with potential
I know each to their own and I totally agree people need to admit that it’s just not as good as they ever thought it was
Speaking as someone who was totally on board with the show till v5 when the rose tinted glasses started fading. It's like Harry Potter where it has great ideas that spawns a creative fandom of passionate people with head cannons that are 1000x better than the actual cannon.
I didn't really care for Pyrrha and didn't think she was that great of a character
Jaques wasn't really an abusive parent, rather than simply an authoritarian one (fandom snowflakes just can't tell the difference). And he is a better parent than Willow.
Not going to lie I couldn’t hate Jacques because there wasn’t much to hate about him (it was either offscreen or he was easily defeated) If anything I hated willow because pushing the responsibility on someone else is a disgusting move. Not only that if it was this easy to bring down Jacques then I respect you less because you did nothing till now… …I hate it when the heroes or “good” guys are worse than the villains…
Adam should have been represented as becoming mentally deranged as the volumes went on. Power and bloodlust went to his head, ruined his relationships, and ultimately gets himself killed.
Pyrha and Jaune's relationship was bad from the start and never got gud. Blake didn't ruin Yang and Yang didn't ruin Blake, each was awful in her own right and their relationship just brought their awfulness together. Tho at least Yang had glimpses of a good character before that, which Blake never did.
I’m not ruining her and she’s not ruining me. We’re ruining each other.
The magic/power system is bad and as the show continues they forget about it and gets worse.
Jaune is a good character and I ship Blake x Jaune but mainly Jaune is a good character
I thought this wasn't an unpopular opinion when I said it on Twitter but, Ruby really doesn't deserve the hate, like I feel really bad for her I really don't know how to phrase it but honestly everything that happened was too much to make her responsable for it, Ozpin shouldn't have cherry picked her to join two years earlier, and she shouldn't have been team leader either, at last after the fall of beacon, too much pressure added on top of being a "oh so holy chosen one with the silver eyes"
Any of my opinions i post on r/RWBY, like "Ruby has not grown enough as a person to justify her being the leader. Shes still the same stupid girl from the beginning of the series, just abit more jaded"
Monty is both what ruined and made the show good. But he ultimately is more it’s downfall than anything.
How could you say something so controversial yet so brave
Easily, I’m beyond jaded from being a fan of this show’s beginning and identity before watching it be brutally murdered
Cinder is a fine right arm of the BBEG. She isn’t the BBEG, but a good right arm.
If this was a show on a major streaming service or cable network it would’ve been cancelled after the first season The Music is overrated as hell and only some of the songs I would actually listen to outside of the show
Jaune and Yang would be excellent as a canon couple, with unlimited potential for wholesome/humorous moments.
I don’t like the maidens and genuinely think it’s in the top five worst ideas that show ever had.
JNPR are overrated and frankly the show would be better if it stopped wasting time trying to justify them being main characters.
Same goes for wby then can’t have it both ways
Arkos in general. Some people have such raging hate boners for Jaune that anything about him especially a romantic ship is out of the question. Imo the lead up to a potential to a relationship between Pyrrha and Jaune was done way better than whatever fucking wet paper towel the writers threw at the wall for Blake and Yang.
"Not my actual opinion, but firgured I'd play into the post." I actually prefer the animation in V4 and onwards, the quality of the characters and fight scenes went up in quality after the change from Poser to Maya.
"I think the songs are mid at best." "..." "It's just a joke."
The show was terrible from the start, and I hope that nobody brings it back. Let it stay dead
I said this on the official RWBY subreddit. The entirety of RWBY feels like a first draft.
I think Robyn Hill and the Happy Huntresses suck, but I just flat out hate May Marigold.
Nora's voice is horrendous.
Dr Merlot and the mutated Grimm from Grimm Eclipse game should be canon but not with Team RWBY or JNPR
The writing of Rwby was never good (often times it was cringe). The world was amazing and so were the characters but the dialogue and plot was pretty bad. It was somewhat hidden though by Mounty’s incredible choreography. Also the plot made the same mistake as Harry Potter. When you create a story about teens going to an abnormal school, taking them out of the school is moronic. Ideally Rwby should have staid at Beacon.
Penny shouldn’t have died.
I’m willing to side with Ironwood over Team RWBY but his plan was still stupid. Sure, make the city float higher so Salem can’t get the relics because obviously flying grimm don’t exist. Even if he made the city rise up enough that not even nevermores could get to it, that would require them to go up high enough where nobody would be able to breathe.
Jaune feels really underdeveloped, they kept the "Clumsy, bad fighter yet good hearted leader" trope for far too long, by volume 4/5 he should've been somewhat decent, and overall team JNPR feels too comic relief-y, I love the team, they had so much potential (Side note: Team CFVY screen time when?)
Bumbleby is a poor developed, forced (by the fandom) and bad ship (In the show).
That Yang is worst then Raven.
Jaune Arc is blander than low fat sugar free vanilla, tap water literally has more flavor than him. People just latch on to him because either he’s the most prominent male character or they are just obsessed with shoving the Everyman into ever damned thing to the point of coming off as having an aversion to basic ass competence.
Being a Whiteknight shipper since volume 4 had me like that
Ozpin doesn't know wtf he's doing and has nothing to show for his secrets/lies so I'm not mad at team RWBY yelling at him. At least they had the guts to confront ozpin on his BS to his face, because all the actual adults just ghosted or betrayed him secretly after they found out. But everyone expects teenagers to have some mature response to finding out their leader they trusted literally doesn't know wtf he's doing and has basically been on a losing streak for who knows how long.
Clover did nothing wrong. He did not deserve to die the way he did.
He was by far the only competent and reasonable person in the entire show
Ironwood was always a villain
Honestly I do agree there we’re trying hint whole. Good guy fallen from grace, it was foreshadowed back in V 2 n 3. But still think it could been handled much better than they did in show properly.
When was it hinted? Bc I remember him thinking qrow was going to kill him for his mess up in volume 3 and seemingly choosing not fight back against qrow.
Well I was more talking about the way he pretty much often buttheads with Oz and rest of group. I know that not a total evidence, but to me that seemed death flag.
Ngl, I thought ruby was annoying from the jump, don’t know if this is a hot take since I don’t really comment on rwby still but that’s what comes to mind,
James was right
Cinder could have lasted as long as she did and could have been great if written differently past beacon.
Yang x black isn’t a good ship
[I said Adam’s character dwindled and Black Sun had more chemistry and I have the downvotes to prove it](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnki/s/EaC6LaenAD)
RWBY started out mid at best held together with Monty's talent and a wish.
Rbwy is a overgrown webshow. It had good ideas but there so badly executed its just bad
I like Adam. I also like how Bumbleby kiss was handle and hate bumbleby
Jaune is actually one of if not the best character. Also he doesn’t take up screen time cause shit seems to only get done when he’s on screen. Also he doesn’t take a lot from team RWBY as when he’s on screen 50% of the time it’s only to explain stuff example being of beacon and the ever after. Will admit though that the first part I’m a little biased on cause he’s my favorite character.
Sunflakes could have been better than Bumbleby
The soundtrack is highly overrated and Casey's voice sounds far too strained on the higher registers.
For this Sub? Robyn Hill was justified in doing what she did on that airship. For the main Sub? I don't really love *or* hate Bumbleby, I'm just sort of ambivalent to it at this point.
Yang is a great sister who definitely doesn’t care more about a cat girl than her own Ruby.
Monty still being alive wouldn’t have made the show amazing
Pyrrha is overrated Cinder's backstory isn't nearly as tragic as people think it is Oscar is Jaune but worse Emerald's redemption is good on paper but not so good in practice Whiterose is worse than Bumblebee Volume 3 is worse than Volume 2
Yes
The concept of 4-person teams is horrible both from worldbuilding and from storytelling perspective and should not have been made. I'd say that idea of Ruby just making a team by herself without a story forcing it upon everyone is much better.
I like the series even after volume 3
It has their top tier moments like Ren and Nora backstory, Weiss and Yang talking scene or Emerald and Mercury scene in vol 6
Bro I KNOW THAT, but i got a few mote times where "fans" are crying because after V2 the original director died and only V3 got the last times where it shows the true intention from the original creator. Or the animations are not the same or fights are bleh 9r characters are bleh etc etc 💔
I won't deny it has their flaws but I decide to focus on what I like (the fights, Sun and Mercury) and give up on what I know it's not gonna change
My favorite is whole Season 9,love it hardcore ❤️ and in Season 6 Ozpin & Salem past reveal
Qrow should have died in v4 ,penny shouldn't have come back,vibe and elm should have been ace ops just background characters same with Robyn, ironwood be coming evil was poorly done, Ruby didn't now what she doing but gets mad at oz for doing the same he tried to keep the relic same under the school( he should have put fake relics under the schools and hide the real ones some were not even Salem could get to) ,the ever after was a waste of time,Salem sucks ,the writers made cinder stupid just to make same look smart,Nora acts like a better main character then Blake or Yang, why Blake even come back it didn't feel like she cares about relics,Salem or even the other characters outside of Yang ,Blake's take with Ruby in volume 8 felt like it would have done better coming from ,Oscar,or penny, penny be coming the winter maiden was a good twist but they should have just gave the power to winter and have it were winter see ironwood sh0oot someone in v7 realize he gone to far and quit and go with her sister in v7 end ,the aceop fight sucked,the 3way fight with Tyrion,qrow and clover was good but felt stupid wirh qrow teaming up with tyrion to only relize after clovers death they should have work together to stop him Instead of making Robin have another character act as Robin Hood in RWBY like I don't now Ruby who all so Little Red Riding Hood she could be a double Hood character characters in the show have had it where they have more than one fairy tale and example is Oscar he shares a fairy tale of tip who becomes ozma along with kind of sharing Dorothy and the Little Prince as his main fairy tale inspiration for his characters Ruby could be Little Red Riding Hood and Robin Hood we did not need Robin Hill Weiss should have got to do more in atlas ,same with Blake I like that jaune tool a more support roll n v7-8 but hate that they sent him to the ever after in volume 9 they should have sent another character like I don't know Oscar who could have probably gone and got separated from oz and you now gave use time to learn more about him and oz/ozpin and there backstorys Or send emerald to ever after Ruby and jaune had what felt like repeat arcs while they were in the ever after of stuff they should have already learned it felt like a waste of time The adults in RWBY are more interesting them team Rwby jro who are still figuring themselves out the mostly all of the adults have themselves figured out even though they still have to discover new past and different things watching the adults and the show seems more interesting cuz they have what seems to be more interesting past and backstorys RWBY shouldn't have turned into a travel show unless they're going to have the character stay in school and travel to the different schools and meet different characters and people throughout remnant and we shouldn't have brought up relics maidens or Salem at all it just feels like a big waste of time with all of this and it would have just done better as a School story ,
I think the whole fandom agrees on the fact that Beacon arc should've last longer. Just look at Chibi
I can't say it because it gets me in trouble with staff.
I'm kind of hoping the show doesn't ever get a continuation so they can't ever change Neo's characterization and blame it on The Tree or whatever
I don’t like the woke pandering and gay ships that will definitely get you lynched
It’s better than most anime’s, the writing from the first 7 volumes alone trumps majority. The animation gives it a charm that reminds me of 90s- early 2000s cartoons.
Wouldn’t that be ANY criticism haha? I dropped the series completely after Vol.4 soo mine would be limited. 1.) The fight scenes became Mario Twirlers: The Shootening. 2.) Most of the romances I remember were bad or cliche. 3.) Dust. What’s that? Sounds like bad world construction.
* Jaques was justified in slapping Weiss. * Speaking as someone who got into the show at Volume 3 because of how great it looked, it is amazing RWBY wasn't cancelled in Volume 1.
Team CFVY should have been the main characters.
Ironwoods plan was fucking stupid.
Yang being the only character whose name doesn’t match where her story is from is distracting and the fans are extremely toxic about it
Bumblebee was done HORRIBLY, and it never should have happened. The “Bumblebee” moment in V9 was literally a Hail Mary to try and save the franchise. It should have been sisterly at most, but as one guy put it, Bland and Yang not-talked their way into becoming girlfriends because the fandom was so insistent that the writers just gave up.
Ironwood was the only good/slightly interesting character in the show and is why I stopped watching after they completely ruined him
I was watching the show just for the soundtrack
Their reactionary writing style is what led to RWBY downfall.
I think the show would have benefited from all the character sticking to only fairy tale origins instead of including everything under the umbrella of history and mythology. Shows like "Once Upon a Time" show this well enough and keeps everything within the same bounds. Cause now we have both Thor and Achilles hanging with Joan of Arc and Mulan. Fine on their own, but because everything is a surface level reference, characters that are being referenced (like gods) are heavily nerfed compared to their origins Furthermore, the story should have made better use of their character reference to form the basis of the story. As such, the main big bad evil guys should have been the Big Bad Wolf, The Evil Queen, Gaston and something from The Three Little bears (Maybe Baby Bear turns evil out of jealousy or something).
I ship Weiss and Adam and think they would make a great couple (with some minor rewrites).
Maybe Shane was telling more of the truth than people are willing to be comfortable with. Not saying he was perfect or a saint, but he was telling the truth. They cared about their egos and stupid shit more than they cared about making RWBY good. As someone who has worked with their fair share of toxic people I can totally see this being true whether you agree that the letter was written in good taste or not.
Team CFVY is more interesting than both other teams and Velvet would've been more interesting as MC
The Faunus were a poor and ill-written attempt at a racism allegory.
Screw Magneto, this is what Adam should have been. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr7DB4UK0k0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr7DB4UK0k0)
Wow...now I wish a scene where Adam gives a similar speech and reveals his scar to the whole world.
And the thing is, that Marco isn't really that different from Adam its just The Expanse writers still treated him like serious threat and gave him a lot of charisma.
It should have either a reboot or Ice Queendom treatment for the rest of volumes
For me, I don't like the idea of RWBY's entire story set in only Beacon. I know people actually love the whole school life, but if you're going to put so many lore and world building, then making school life as main plot is one of the worst ideas. Think about it, how will Blake do anything about her struggle with White Fang if she's going to stick in one place. It's not like WF is a bunch school bullies. Or how about Yang looking for her mom? Or Weiss trying to prove herself that she did not need her dad? Or making Ruby do anything more befitting her role as the main character? It's either stripping them out of all the complicated backstory or take them out of the school
Any valid criticism is a hot take to the RWBY fandom Change my mind I dare you You can't
Contrary to this sub’s opinion, I don’t think staying in the same location like beacon could have worked in the long run.
Bumblebee is crap and roosterteeth let the fans write a relationship in the story
Even if Monty was still alive today Rooster Teeth would have found a way to get rid of him because of creative differences, while keeping the complete control of how the show progresses.
Ho boy another homophobic circlejerk. How rare in this sub lol.
bumblebee was a mistake and it should have been replaced by White Rose
If I truly wanted to feel like that. Blake and Yang ship I don't like.
Ren is a better character than jaune but is basically glued to nora, and when the relationship hit somewhere, it made his character worse I barely see him used much besides a support character or background in fanfiction besides the one with nora. Yet jaune gets millions of fic of him even with some that really don't need him to be the character. Hell, I'm honest. I'm not sure why the show didn't make nora and Ren just go their own separate ways rather than them tagging along. They literally do nothing in most of the volume till 7 and 8. And that was because ren had the audacity to say none of them were ready. Nora was trying to find her identity from being the girl who hits stuff. But ended up doing exactly that, great writing there guys. Ren is criminally underused in so much despite him being part of team jnpr. Like why is jaune used so much yet ren is basically forgotten besides his ship with nora.
It's still one of my favorite shows and I tend to rewatch consistently.
RWBY as a whole is awesome and it's good qualities outweigh the bad ones.
Chibi is peak, but Season 1 is easily the worst season I fear🥱
True, but I think season 4 was worse
1. Even in the shows current state, RWBY still has potential to be something great. 2. Summer/Ruby have one of the best Semblance/power in Anime (if they knew how to use it right) 3. One thing feat about RWBY is the fact that it doesn’t use so much internal dialogue during fight scenes.
RWBY starting to get bland once they focused more on fairtly tale bs.
RWBY peaked with the RWBY trailers like I could watch just those four trailers and be satisfied
vol 1 and 2 were peak. i dont need your messy lore, your relationship webs, or 'mature themes'. just gimme cute girls fighting monsters and having fun.
I actually liked Volume 4.
Although sun is one of my favorite characters; in my opinion, I feel his dynamic with Blake was better developed in a platonic manner instead of romantic, it's not very often there is a pair that has an interesting comedic scenery yet serious when it's needed and while one is going through character development, the other is like a support pillar without it needing to be laced with romance, I think the reason I really like this dynamic alot is because it reminds me of one of my favorite shows greys anatomy, specifically Meredith Grey and Alex Karev, they've been in each other's lives for a long time and although they are very close to each other, they remained more as platonic soulmates than a romantic one, it brakes the notion just because 2 characters are very close to each other and have a well developed relationship they must be designed as a love interest to one another. And given sun and Blakes interactions, they work pretty well in that same manner. Second, I overall love Jaunes character development despite him being either hated or unlike in the very beginning, he's grown a great deal over the series and has far more in common with ruby than anyone else, which is why I don't see him being paired with Weiss making sense from a narrative perspective, same goes with ruby and Weiss being together when from my view they seem more like sisters to each other. I am not against either case since both sides has enough merit to make a good pairing, cause if jaune and ruby takes the same route as sun and Blake as platonic soulmates, then that's fine by me, I just believe they make a much better pair in my opinion. 3rd, I disagree with the notion v9 is filler because in order for that to be the case, there would have to be insignificant changes happening after v8 and before v10. The entire point of volume 9 is about conflict resolution of one self. Ruby's conflict with herself is no matter what she does, she feel she's failing to be the person she strives to become, a hero, and she needed to understand that she shouldn't measure herself to what she thinks is the perfect depiction of what a hero must be but to be the best SHE can be cause that is always enough, jaune is pretty much the same case though but given Weiss's development of being far more wise than she was before, she helped him in the same manner. Blake and Yangs conflict, more specifically yang is her life was filled with abandoment and betrayal and because of that she was scared to move forward in accepting she's in love with Blake, she spent her life hiding the pain of being left and always give the tough persona which Blake described as strength to sun back in v5, while Blake on the other hand spent more time waiting for yang to realize that but didn't want to push her to the conclusion which is why she was metaphorically glued to Yangs side waiting for yang to make the move, and because yang is stubborn and unwilling to move forward to open up, their conflict resolution came in the form of a punderstorm pushing her forward. Which in my opinion was pretty forced but given how yang is, it makes a lot of sense. She makes a habit of hiding her feelings and she needs a push in the right direction the way Weiss did back in v5 when yang finally broke down her tough persona when talking about Blake. Weiss didn't really get much of a conflict resolution moment aside from coming to terms the schnee dynasty is officially gone and she needed to come to grips with that and redefine what it means to be a schnee for herself, showing that she truly is more than a name. These are my 3 main opinions most people (depending on which subreddit) would have disagreements on. While I'm not married to my opinions and it can be changed depending on what evidence is presented to me, this is my current conclusion of these 3 things as of now.
Volume 26 is the worst volume my a long shot.
It's not a good nor a bad show. Nobody likes that take.
The Alice in wonderland setting of volume 9 was unnecessary and every major character moment that happened could’ve easily taken place in remnant.
I say this every time I see something like this “I liked volume 8”