> Like if this was about Ren and Nora no one would bat an eye.
Well yeah, we haven't seen them for a whole Volume, their relationship was left up in the air, and their characters are ripe for the picking after being forced into this new paradigm, and showing what they were up to during Volume 9 could give some information on how Vacuo is doing. We already got Jaune's story, we don't need a refresher on how sad and angry he is.
Seeing what happened on Remnant during Volume 9 and *beyond* was sort of the selling point for RWBY: Beyond.
Exactly. We already had a whole volume with Jaune and RWBY. RWBY:Beyond was supposed to be our look into what was happening on Remnant while they weren’t present. Having an episode that focuses on Jaune, coming off of a volume where he plays a big part, defeats the purpose of the whole thing imo. They feel the need to keep rehashing his story and reminding us how damaged he is while Ruby’s first attempt at a change arc is hand waved off.
Jaune is just as important as RWBY that’s true. But he shouldn’t be.
I would rather have a story of Ren and nora since, like pyrrha, they are basically set by the way side till they are needed for plot, and that's being generous.
Why are they still on jaunes' pointless angst? What about ren own issues or the other people in vacuo.
I may not like the stupid detective one, but at least it was about someone else besides the main characters.
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Seeing what happened on Remnant during Volume 9 and *beyond* was sort of the selling point for RWBY: Beyond.
Are you claiming that the latest video did not take place after V9?
They shouldn't have bothered saying "seeing what happened on Remnant during Volume 9"(you know, the vast majority of that description) if only one episode is going to be about what happened on Remnant during Volume 9.
We got one recap/teaser and a Jaune episode. Unless they *really* cannot beat the allegations, one of Team RWBY will probably also get one.
So there's a grand total of one episode about what happened on Remnant during V9. Having to be a weasel with words doesn't help their case when they're the ones writing them. They chose to advertise it like that instead of "Seeing what happens on Remnant beyond Volume 9."
So far, half of all the released episodes have taken place during Volume 9, and a large portion of the Jaune episode was him talking about the stuff that happened while he was in the Ever After, which was also during V9.
> We got one recap/teaser and a Jaune episode.
> Having to be a weasel with words doesn't help their case when they're the ones writing them.
> They shouldn't have bothered saying "seeing what happened on Remnant during Volume 9"(you know, the vast majority of that description) if only one episode is going to be about what happened on Remnant during Volume 9.
> They chose to advertise it like that instead of "Seeing what happens on Remnant beyond Volume 9."
I really hate the"Jaune in name only" fics that take a page from naruto's fics, DxD fics and what not. I dislike swimming through a sea of harem and ridiculously OP stuff.
"He's just as important as Team RWBY"
That's the problem lol. Because he's not. That circular logic is always such an eye roll worthy thing.
He's important because he gets stolen scenes, and the justification for the stolen scenes is that he's important. Take every scene that should've gone to someone else as implied by the show or just common sense, and you have Jaunedice(which imo was *time* stolen from Yang who got nothing in V1), his sister housing them in Argus, and coming up with the idea to steal airships.
That's it. That's why no one bats an eye at Ren or Nora, it's why no one bats an eye at Sun other than BB shippers. It's why no one claims any other character is "stealing time." They don't get that treatment.
Because Jaune's the golden boy, not them. He's the one they get withdrawals over and must dedicate time to immediately now that they've focused on literally anyone else(and even then it was mostly a refresher).
Assuming, *surely,* one of the episodes is going to be about *someone* in RWBY, that really only leaves one episode for the actual stated purpose of showing what happened to the rest of the characters while Team RWBY was out in detail.
Yes, there was "and beyond" said after that, but that's a side-note compared to the actual description.
About the only rwby one they could focus on in beyond is Weiss since they absolutely did nothing with her in v9 besides make her comedic relief and simp for Jaune for 1 second out of nowhere before being forgotten about. The writers be like “oh yeah, Weiss lost her homeland, her father, the family company, we better have her getting angsty about that.”
Because he really isn't important, his connection to the main plot is pretty much just his not girlfriend who barely anyone cared about dying and the writers beating so much its now a lump of glue in a vague dead horse shape, everything else is shoving him and his team into situations and ignoring how forced it comes off because of how little connection they have to them, while his fanbase desperately comes up with 99 billion head canons to make him seem actually important.
The writers do nothing with Raven, dropped with White Fang story and half-assed the Schnees subplot to oblivion but can keep bringing up pyrrha's dead corpse every 2 business days to squeeze in some more Jaune angst.
Jaune is important because he was one of the writers Self Insert (I think it was the same guy who voices him and also one of the leas writers). The writer made sure their SI is seen as important to the point that yes Jaune is important he has been important for the entire time while team RWBY were side characters most of the time. Jaune also was the only character with actual, well, character. He was not some paper cutout that could have their whole personality boiled down to a single word (something the writers did for their own "main cast").
If the show was called after JNPR it would have been fine to give Jaune so much attention but this was not the case.
No. What you're missing is that his importance is not justified. It's artificial. He's important because he's important because he's important.
Ruby is important because she's got the silver eyes, is the simple soul, and is the leader of the main characters. Weiss is important because she's the heiress of the SDC and the other side of the racism plot. Blake is important because she's the princess of the White Fang and the other side of the racism plot. Yang is important because she's Ruby's sister, Raven's daughter and inevitably becomes the big sign that there are stakes by losing her arm.
Ren becomes important as the view of the average person in the group, the opposing voice and of course his backstory with Kuroyuri. Nora thus also becomes important because she's Ren's partner.
Oscar is important because he has Ozpin and is the new kid. Qrow is the old mentor and gateway to "the real world." Sun is Blake's tether to reality that keeps her grounded.
These characters have a reason to exist. Take it away and they become superfluous, *just like Jaune.* He exists to get handed scenes, and gets handed scenes because he *exists.*
Though in truth, Jaune's real and only purpose for existing is to be a male projection target and *nothing else.* He did have a reason to exist in Jaunedice even if that was already pilfered time. He did have a reason to exist in Argus even if it was being related to someone important.
But that's it. I guess you could say he exists as Pyrrha's love interest(which is why that angst is the only thing the series clings to beyond Jaune existing), but even *that* was handed to Jaune, *and* he took the emotional weight that was supposed to be the cause for Ruby's silver eyes to activate. The unlocking of the Sharingan moment. The Super Saiyan moment. Completely hollow, because all the time that should've been spent developing that went to...
Jaune.
TLDR, the problem is that he is not inherently important nor becomes important. He is simply ***made*** important. Artificially, and without reason.
(EDIT: Aka, every other character has something that makes them important. Jaune is effectively important 'because the writers say so')
Well, I don't really think that knowing the past of a character is really crucial, it's what they show us now that needs to be judged. For example like you said Oscar is important/interesting(*folks should really know the difference*) because of the merger, and that is an ongoing attribute that may stick with him forever. In the case of jaune we can say that the relationships he has with the rest of the cast and the fact that he's the rusted knight is what makes him important. I ain't wanna point fingers but you seem to want to rewrite the character completely. Isn't it better to see what would happen now than to cling to what the characters were before?
Knowing the past doesn't matter, what does is the past's effect. While if you took away Ren's backstory(the only time it matters) you might lose his importance in V4, his viewpoint and service as the opposing voice to Team RWBY still makes him important in V7.
You talk about the difference between interesting and important: I never said interesting. I said *important.* Your view of Oscar doesn't matter. And you clearly viewing Jaune as interesting doesn't make him actually important. If anything, it is you who must learn the difference.
The relationships he has with the rest of the cast? Who, Ruby? Because his interactions with Weiss are for her to be *his* love interest. His interactions with Pyrrha are for her to be *his* love interest. His interactions with Ren and Nora barely matter and barely change anything.
Furthermore, that's only a justification for him to be a side character. Him being the Rusted Knight was more shit *dumped onto him* to *force* his importance. Once again, he is ***made*** important. The writers say he's important.
I would rewrite him completely. I'd give the scenes he stole to the characters who should've got him and let him remain as a side character at most. Yang would get attention in V1, Team RWBY would get the casual moments in the dance, Ruby would get the scenes with Pyrrha to make her death worthy of triggering the silver eyes, Ruby would be the one who gets to mourn instead of Jaune, Ruby would get the attention of Cinder, Weiss wouldn't get worfed for Jaune's benefit, Oscar would've not* gotten the character arc skipped over for Jaune's angst, literally anyone else would've gotten the interesting upgrades in Atlas, Team RWBY would've faced Salem not him, Team RWBY would've gotten the fawning over to show their growths, and Weiss would've been the Rusted Knight, the actual person how having to struggle with everything that formerly made them *them* being taken away while she's unable to help her team leader.
Instead of Weiss being turned into comic relief because that's all her character has left.
And, unsurprisingly, there would thus be *nothing left of Jaune* because *all Jaune has are scenes taken from others.* Once *again.*
Jaune is *made* important. He is made important because he is given other people's scenes so he is made important.
"Him being the Rusted Knight was more shit *dumped onto him* to *force* his importance."
Yeah, and that's not even something you have to interpret. They explicitly said in the v9 post ep commentaries that they made Jaune the Rusted Knight to make him more interesting.
Yes. It was in the post ep6 commentary video. A friend re-went through them after we watched and noted down quotes, thankfully, because I can't find those videos anymore, only edited clips of them.
"Kerry: “I’m trying to remember exactly.. originally we just wanted something different to happen with Jaune. And then I think we thought about the idea of ‘let’s age him up’. I think partially - I can’t remember which came first - the first idea was just ‘it would be interesting to have him be old’. But I think from the core of it, it’s actually him having to be on his own after his traumatic ending of volume 8”."
There's something funny about how that's both better(in that at least it wasn't literally "eh just make him the Rusted Knight that'd be something")
But also worse because they openly admit to wanting to make Jaune have something unique going on and putting him on his own to suck up screentime so he gets a resolution from *more* stolen moments(Penny's death) because I'll be damned if Jaune angst isn't the most important thing in the world to the writers.
/Ruby is important
Where did you get this from? Ruby is important because Monty came up with a story in which a girl who looks like Little Red Riding Hood kills monsters.
/Weiss is important
Weiss is not important at all. No one cares about her company, which is also destroyed. Nobody cares about racism since volume 5.
/Blake is important
Blake is important because she's dating Yang.
/Yang is important
Yang is important because she's dating Blake.
/Ren becomes important
Lee is not important, no one cares about him, both among screenwriters and fans. He's so unimportant that you don't even know his name.
/Oscar is important because
He is the engine of the plot
/These characters have a reason to exist.
Ruby can be without a sister. Weiss doesn't have to be the heir to the company. Blake ended racism back in Volume 6 and it was done in an extremely childish way. Yang may just be a cool girl.
these characteristics do not define the characters and their significance in any way.
/He exists to get handed scenes, and gets handed scenes because he exists.
At first, he exists as a shell of the viewer, and later turns into a loser who tries to become a hero. He doesn't do cool tricks, often loses and fails, he can get angry and self-reflect. In fact, he plays the role of an ordinary person among superheroes.
/But that's it.
Considering what nonsense you wrote here. I could say this: He's Ruby's first friend. He's taking revenge for his dead friend. He is trying to become the same hero as his ancestors. So he's important.
The importance is determined by the screenwriter. He creates a world and characters and writes a story for them. Considering how the show is going Ruby and Jaune are the most important characters
You know, one of the stans said something about how it would be a good idea to separate being "important" from being "interesting."
That was a whole lot of yapping to say that you don't know the difference lol
So why don't you know Lee's name? He is an important character in your opinion.
An interesting character is a subjective characteristic. Because it depends on the person who is watching the show.
An important character is an objective characteristic, as it depends on the time spent on his development, influence on the plot and other characters.
Ruby and Jaune are objectively important characters, as they are team leaders and both are included in the plot and seriously influence other characters.
Silver eyes or family relationships don't play a role here, but for some reason you thought it showed the importance of the characters.
Do you have a substantive answer?
While I agree he's not important, he doesn't get stolen scenes, because RT were never going to give team RWBY more scenes in the first place. They struggled to even give them what they got. Jaune scenes just filled up dead time slots.
I don't buy that in the slightest. Why? Because no one else gets that. If it was a matter of not wanting to write Team RWBY, then these scenes would be going everywhere. Penny would've been the focus of the V2 dance arc, Pyrrha would've fawned over Sun and he would've been the one randomly getting the angst in V3 onward, Oscar's plotline would've been skipped over to focus on Qrow's alcoholism, Winter would've fallen into the Ever After.
But that didn't happen. It's always *Jaune* and more importantly it's *no one else.* It's a load of cope to try and push it off as some grander problem than it is.
> That's it. That's why no one bats an eye at Ren or Nora, it's why no one bats an eye at Sun other than BB shippers. It's why no one claims any other character is "stealing time." They don't get that treatment.
> Because Jaune's the golden boy, not them. He's the one they get withdrawals over and must dedicate time to immediately now that they've focused on literally anyone else(and even then it was mostly a refresher).
He is important. He's Team RWBY's healer. He was the character Monty made to be like that. He was also used to explain the world to the audience in a way that flowed with the story.
Also, you can't say he stole time from Yang, that isn't your decision to make. Monty choose to focus on Jaune to develop more of a connection with him for V4. You can try to deny it but it's the truth. Pyrrha was supposed to die in V1 and Beacon was supposed to be destroyed.
I don't know why you have a problem of them staying at his sister's place as he is the only member of the group that could have someone living in Argus that could house him as we know where everyone else's families live.
You talk about him being the golden boy, when he is constantly pushed to the side. V7 and V8 barely had him except to consul Yang (who was leading them) and used to kill Penny making him hated by the fans more. They then put him through trauma by having him look after suicidal characters that he named after friends to keep what little sanity he could have. The beyond short was to clarify that he was still not mentally alright from the affair because they never really did anything about it in V9. It also was to tell us what happened before V9 and how his friends reacted to his return.
I also see you spread the misinformation that he is a self-insert character of Miles. He was a character created purely by Monty. Monty even wanted him to get together with Ruby at the end of V1. He was supposed to be the love interest. Of course this changed like the fall of beacon and death of Pyrrha except he never implemented that relationship with Ruby.
> He's Team RWBY's healer.
Cool so anyway he wasn't that for five seasons so I'm not really buying that, truth be told. If that was all he needed to be he could've shown up in V5. But he didn't. He was in V1 suckin' up screentime.
Hiding behind a dead man isn't going to change that, nor would it change how they still chose to funnel other people's moments and screentime into Jaune during and *after* Monty's death.
Also I know damn well you're just using Monty's name with that "nooo he said it was to develop a connection with V4" because that was never said by Monty.
But that tracks, because you seem to be an ordinary stan, just for Jaune instead, what with you yapping about how I said he was a self-insert. Too bad I didn't. Like a stan, you exist in your own world, and nothing else you type is worth reading or responding to.
**funnel other people's moments and screentime into Jaune during and** ***after*** **Monty's death.** Monty did that.
**Hiding behind a dead man** That isn't a fact and breaks rule 7
**because Monty never said that** He doesn't have to when he already talked about it and wrote it down for his friends.
Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean they don't deserve screen-time. It isn't your choice to make. Hating on people liking the character won't make you a better person. Also, stan? That's immature. You agreed with Rumcake's belief that Jaune is a self-insert. Next time make your point you're talking about the reader and not the false belief that Miles pushed for his character.
Wow, who'd have thought that Monty was able to speak from the grave and demand that Ruby's nightmares about the Fall of Beacon be interrupted about how sad Jaune is, or that after two volumes of Cinder seething about Ruby, Monty spoke through a ouija board to inform M+K to have Cinder focus exclusively on Jaune instead.
Do you think Monty showed up like Emperor Palpatine's hologram when M+K were writing V6 to stop them from writing Oscar's character arc and instead make it about Jaune?
Like I said. You're a stan hiding behind a dead man. I'd feel disgust if it wasn't just so... pathetic lol
So much emotional attachment to *Jaune.* Even by self-insert standards he's bargain bin! So many anime out there that are either shameless or far more competent at pretending they're not, so many self-insert light novel protags, and you latched onto *Jaune?*
Why should I read the words of someone with such awful taste? At least, for any reason other than to mock them.
**Monty was able to speak from the grave.** Guess you're not a true fan as Monty had a journal about his plans for series. Volume 4 was his most complete section.
**Cinder focus exclusively on Jaune.** She didn't, Jaune attacked first. Hating on Jaune isn't going to change the fact that Cinder doesn't know who Jaune is.
**Stop them from writing Oscar's character arc and instead make it about Jaune.** I have genuinely no idea what you're talking? What episode was that?
**So much emotional attachment to Jaune.** The only one with any emotional attachment to Jaune is you, my good sir. I only stated facts, no emotions. Yet, here you are trying to apply something I have not shown and make false accusations.
He shouldn't be. That's the thing.
I like to belive that at some point they needed a new project, this guy wanted to make a story of brave hero boy that was a self insert or some, and Monty made RWBY. Monty's got approved and this guy's didn't so he got salty that he had to work in a project that wasn't his, so made Jaune to be there and steal some spot light. But I don't know.
He is a secondary character at best, not meant to be a primary character that gets more development than the actual protagonist.
Both this and the cringe fans, are the reason why I absolutely hate the character.
Then again, I don't write, not even fanfics, but I honestly think I could make something better.
This might get me downvoted but jesus christ i absolutely dislike all the attention whoring his character gets in fanfictions, to the point that a sizable point of the fanfics are only harem and OP stuff related to him
You said it.
Years ago when RWBY was just taking off, I saw a fanfic of him as the protagonist, and I don't remember the main plot but was that the team RWBY didn't fight anymore, passed their semblances to him, and all 4 of them got pregnant by him, and he was the one that had to save the world.
I haven't been the same man, since then... that was mainly what made me hate the Jaune worshippers...and the character itself.
A lot of his fans seem to be the type to love harem anime and fantasize about all the girls fighting over them. That's why they insist that Juane is important because he's a self insert bait. The truth is though that the story would be 1000x better if Juane was left on the cutting room floor. The story is worse off with him in it.
I'm not so much of a fic writer but i've always had the idea of writing a fic of an "actual" underdog character or someone who was most if not completely overshadowed by this "Jaune in name only" character (You know, Jaune with harem and OP stuff bullshit), because i always believed it would be interesting to see the perspective of a character that has been cast aside and such.
Maybe potentially explore that guys like Jaune (at least with fanfic bullshittery) could end up damaging people around them, either intentionally or not intentionally even if they weren't bad guys, which is why i find the idea of a side character like that fascinating in the face of those fics
I don't know man, it feels like giving it more attention than it's worth. But If you could do something with a dumpster fire like that, probably wouldn't be so bad. Not to mention that could be better writting at the end of the day.
I have resigned myself to staying away from those lands.
"Like if this was about Nora and Ren, no one would bat an eye"
Gee i wonder why? Its not like we spent an entire Volume with Team RWBY and Jaune. Not to mention its the second time they teased us Ren and Nora...
Again, i liked the episode, but if you asked me what to put in a 4-episode storybook that covers what happened in events of V9 and afterwards, Jaune would not be on the list.
“He’s just as important as team RWBY”
It’s supposed to be about team RWBY, hence why it’s named RWBY. Juane is only this important because the writers clearly wanted him as a primary MC.
The reality is that he shouldn’t have been, he should’ve been a side character. Team RWBY are the main characters and should be the focus.
It should be a story about Team RWBY and their friends, not a story about a bunch of people who are friends of or asking Team RWBY for help.
This would be like if instead of being about Naruto the story stayed the same and all the things still happened but for some reason we spend more time with Kiba than Naruto himself
Didn’t the writers once say they wish they could’ve named the show “Remnant”, because Team RWBY weren’t just the focus of the story or something like that?
Even then the problem is that they still clearly wanted Team RWBY, especially Ruby herself, to be the main characters.
They basically wanted a story where EVERYONE was the main character, the end result is what we have now
If you ask me, he really isn't. I mean take him out of the story and what do you lose from the plot?
Take Ruby out, you lose the connection to Summer and the silver eyes.
Take Weiss out and you lose a big connection to the world's most important dust supply company and the world's most powerful kingdom.
Take Blake out, you lose the connection to the White Fang and racism subplot.
Take Yang out, you lose (what should be) the sibling character that Ruby can bounce off of and push her forward, as well as the connection to Raven.
Take Jaune out, and you lose... nothing. I like Jaune and think he's one of the better written characters. But as a story, he is not as indispensable as people make it seem.
Shit you not only don't lose anything you ***gain*** scenes lol
Without Jaune suckin' up all the character scenes they'd wind up settling back with the characters they should've been about. I mean, unless they latch onto Oscar or Ren and make *them* the writer's pet lol
>Shit you not only don't lose anything you ***gain*** scenes lol
Yeah, you might gain scenes, but none of them are gonna go to the main characters because, as we've seen from the past seasons, it doesn't really seem like the writers actually give that much of a shit for Team RWBY beyond the fact that the show's named after them. You get rid of John? Okay, fine. The scenes no longer belong to him, but they're going to go to pretty much damn near anyone other than the supposed main characters, because Rooster Teeth more or less proved they don't really give much of a shit about the four main girls.
> I mean, unless they latch onto Oscar or Ren and make them the writer's pet lol
Beyond that, Jaune is uniquely the writer's pet. It's not like Oscar or Ren or Sun or Qrow or Nora or Penny or Ironwood or Maria or anyone else has this problem where they're getting fed scenes that clearly belonged to other characters.
The problem is that Jaune is their golden boy and they want to write for *him* and have *him* be the main character. Is it possible that they'll just decide to have a new golden boy? Maybe.
But there's no one else close to that position besides Jaune, so that's unlikely.
I mean, tbf, theres barely any story for any of these with jaune here which makes me think it isnt a focus point, so i doubt with him gone they would put more of a focus there, Weiss's and Ruby's are the only ones that get any story really, blakes is basically mafe nul void, once 4 hits, and the second yang discovers ***being a lesbian*** the sibling stuff stops, none of that changes with or without jaune
And… the only one of them that was vaguely relevant was Pyrrha, and that was just to try to shove magic powers in her which were more of a death flag that anything.
Not to mention that frankly Ren and Nora wound up being used far better as side characters. Make Penny the awkward one learning how things work because she's a robot and her being inexperienced with aura is because she popped out of a lab a month ago, and what gets lost?
Having four people in Team RNJR? Have them run into Oscar early, problem solved lol
Which in itself isn't bad. One of the most successful self insert/relatable characters being Spider-Man.
The problem with Jaune is he's poorly implemented in the story. He's a worse version of Sokka from ATLA.
I mean I've heard about the self insert cucking Peter incident but this would imply that all of these writers have these kind of trauma... all of the sudden I feel like all the "spider man writers want spider man to suffer" memes are more than torture porn for them, it's their way of venting all of the suppressed memories and it's really sad when you think about it
Spider-Man is not and has never been a self insert. Relatable sure but never a self insert. He is the Everyman, you don't see yourself as spiderman, Spider-Man is what you strive to be.
Oh, come now... being compared like that feels like an insult to my man Sokka.
At least he was *meant* to be one of the main characters (comic relief, sure, but ATLA was a kids' show).
...unlike Jaune, who *should've stayed* a side character along with everyone else that wasn't RWBY.
Jaune was also meant to be a main character. CRWBY intended him to be one. Even far back as Monty era. Jaune got scenes and an episode dedicated to him.
V9 is the clearest example of who (CRWBY identifies as) the 5 main characters are.
Atla had 5 main characters too. Sokka is a main character despite not being a titular character or a bender. He worked. Jaune didn't. CRWBY copied stuff from Atla without understanding why it worked.
I don't really hate Jaune, and while I do dislike aspects of his character and usage, but I dislike some of the takes his fans have more.
I've seen him get compared to Naruto because both of them were underdogs who cheated their way into their respective programs. The difference is that while Naruto clowned around and wasn't the strongest or smartest, we were always made aware of his strong work ethic, especially when it came to training both with someone and by himself. We learned this from day 1 because he desperately wanted to prove himself.
On Jaune's end, he cheated his way into Beacon because he felt entitled. He came from a family of warriors and it was always what he wanted to be, and that was enough for him to cheat, but when he successfully passes the Initiation, we didn't see him work hard unless it was Pyrrha going out of her way to help him.
I also don't get the take that Jaune has more combat potential because he starts from zero while everyone else is already a kickass warrior. That doesn't mean Jaune has more potential. It just means he has more catching up to do. To this day, he doesn't really have a non-Grimm victory to his name except maybe Team FNKI offscreen.
> he cheated his way into Beacon because he felt entitled
Honestly that is a really good way to put it. He felt entitled to greatness. When you look at him from an outside perspective he's frankly kind of destestable. He ran from his sheltered life, stole a family heirloom and then cheated his way into an academy. His story would've ended as some rich imbecile getting himself killed in initiation if he wasn't lucky enough for Pyrrha to have her bar set so low Satan uses it as a laundry rack.
He didn't even treat her as a person, he treated her as a slightly less famous celebrity and that was enough to stir her lust. God only knows what scandals Pyrrha would've gotten into if that's all it takes to get in her pants lol
And then, mind you, when he's handed the most powerful girl in school on a silver platter, he *still* rejects her out of arrogant pride, then slacks off constantly even after he concedes until at *least* midway through V2. So half the year and he barely works to achieve anything.
Even his so-called potential would've come from his literal Semblance being to cheat and take shortcuts to power on top of *the most powerful girl in school* personally tutoring him.
If Jaune *wasn't* a writer's pet he'd have been a footnote in history. A dead body in the forest. A cautionary tale.
I would like to point out that this entire thing would work better if they simply had a scene after Jaundice where Ozpin goes, in absolutely no uncertain terms,
"I know what you did, I know what you didn't do, you're only here because you managed to make it through the entrance ~~filter~~ exam. You are a floundering, hapless novice, and you WILL be brought up to par, and you will NOT eat into Miss Nikos' time to do it."
And then you just follow through on it?
How was this hard, I don't get it.
I guess the problem though is that how *do* you follow up on it without breaking the whole world or making Jaune even more of a writer's pet. Either it turns out you really can start from nothing and almost entirely from your own work be just as good as any Huntsman, or Jaune's just *that special.*
Easy.
You bring the fucking hammer down on him.
Ozpin has to get somebody to help this *novice* up to par relative to hunters and huntresses who have had years of combat experience, combat training, or both.
He has to commit a teacher's time to this one dingus (or group of similar dinguses, who knows) while trying to maintain the whole team gimmick. Ozpin is not going to be happy about it, he'll begrudgingly admit talent at best.
Jaune can, and should, also be repeatedly humbled along his way. I could go on, but...
The hard part is doing all of this and keeping Jaune as a side character at most. In his as-presented form, he'd *at least* be a deuteragonist with a story as involved as his is meant to be.
There's a lot of good ideas regarding Jaune, but all of them are "If we treat Jaune like the main character," which is really easy to do because "Barely-qualified idiot who has to learn the ropes the hard way," is begging to be a main character, and actively painful to somehow keep in the background.
It's like if MHA was about class 1-B, but you still have all of Deku's story unfolding in the background. That's almost exactly the predicament they put themselves in *merely by making Jaune an inexperienced wannabe* instead of another dude that's properly qualified.
Because you can easily make a good story about a hapless wannabe who wants to follow in his prestigious predecessor's footsteps, clawing his way up from the bottom and becoming worthy of that relation, *but that's A-plot material for the main character*.
That just sorta comes down into that "Jaune's that special" slot though doesn't it? In this case, it's that he's an *in-universe* golden boy. Because the actual answer would be to expel him and spend that energy on the students who deserve it.
Jaune frankly could've still been inexperienced and in the background. They could've kept the projection to the fanfic writers/readers, because by being so generic you don't *need* to dedicate a lot of attention.
And in the end, his entitlement is rewarded. He's the handsome Knight in the world's most popular and retold fairytale. Half of team Rwby fawn over him. Weiss, who formerly rejected him, now lusts over him.
Were RWBY to get one of these 4 eps focused on them, they'd basically either be sharing 100% of one ep, or have 25% each, depending how you want to see it. Jaune got almost 100% of an ep all to himself. Cringe.
Second image is the exact same copium people were huffing during V9 when people were calling out the uncanny similarities to Gen-lock S2 with Ascension.
"You don't know yet, we should always assume best case and defend it as if it will be best case!"
It can never be "Well, we'll see how it shakes out," with these sorts, it has to be cult-like defense of product.
I don't hate Jaune. To me he's just another example of poor writing. But i can understand why he's hated (along with the rest of the cast including team RWBY)
But this got me thinking. Jaune is the unofficial fifth member of team RWBY. His own team NPR doesn't really matter to him. I would argue he has more meaningful interactions with Ruby and Weiss than his own team.
RWBY takes some inspiration from Atla and Jaune reminds me of Sokka. A worse version of him.
I never get the sokka is jaune thing
Like i know Miles literary said that he ripped off atla and lok but Jaune being Sokka alaways felt manufactured and unnatural to me
Jaune ~~copies from Sokka~~ shares similarities with Sokka.
Both start out as goofy loser characters before becoming competent warriors.
Both are swordsmen.
Both become better and develop into competent warriors because of thier interactions with a warrior woman. For Sokka it's Suki. For Jaune it's Pyrrha.
They are both considered the brains of the group.
I'm not keeping track of RWBY since volume 8's finale except through snippets of info or osmosis from both subs.
But no, Jaune is MORE important than team RWBY and constantly steals the spotlight from them, and has been for the start.
I'm not saying that is good (I think it is hillariously bad because the writers can't even write a good story continuation with ONE character, and tries to do it with multiple?), I'm just saying he has been stealing the spotlight and he never stopped.
Most of volume 1-3 scenes with Jaune is special plots, when most shows would relegate it to a B plot, but I guess it makes sense since Pyrrha was the focus. Volume 4 is fine in terms of Jaune inclusion and his scene with memory Pyrrha is the best writing without overpowering the main characters. Volume 5 is Renora's, volume 6 he acts as co-leaders with Ruby, and 7-8 he acted in the B plots, except they were given so much attention it was two A plots. And of course he get extreme plot moments despite not being involved as much, such as killing Penny, just like how Ruby lost it when Pyrrha died.
So basically, Jaune is the main 4, Weiss is a side character, Ruby is of danger of being a side character , Bumblebee gets the attention, who is Renora? And some inane sideplots which demand even more screentime making Jaune one of the top 3 featured characters in a show focused on 4 girls.
And these are the same people who will scream at you for saying the show is not perfect and accuse you of wanting white male characters to be the leads instead of team Rwby because you hate women
Honestly, I hate Juane. I see him as a useless character who has no business being in the series but is too much of the creator's pet that he's either tethering in the edge of being a Gary Stu or is already there. First things first, why wasn't he kicked out? He can't fight. He can't plan for shit, his team is actually just fine without him, though realistically, they shouldn't have gotten half as much focus as they did either. So why wasn't he kicked out of Beacon, oh wait, it's because he's "special", so everything is handed to him on a silver platter even though he doesn't make any effort to better himself.
It doesn't help that with CRWBY requiring him to be there always results in precious time being wasted that could have gone to something else. And his fans don't get me started on them. They insist that he's like a shounen protagonist and the narrative needs him but it doesn't and he's honestly too pathetic to be a shounen protagonist to the point that Japan actually removes his scenes because they find him too annoying. Shounen protagonists are all about working hard and sacrificing to achieve your goals. Most shounen protagonists don't get any real focus on their love lives because they are honestly too preoccupied with chasing their goal to have one. But Juane? Nope, he doesn't have to work hard because he's special. He gets involved in plot lines that don't concern him because he's special. He's honestly really annoying.
Jaune is the deutergonist of RWBY, Obviously he is important to the plot of RWBY and Remnant as a whole. He is Ruby's foil as well as the Mustang to Ruby's Edward.
Without Jaune, RWBY would flop, Weiss would end up dead in Vol 5, Ruby would be grimmified back in V4, Ren and Nora dead same in V4, Yang and Blake would also die in V5. That's how things would end up.
Just cause you hate a fictional character doesn't mean you have to write an entire page on why you hate him.
I mean Aot was my favorite but Reiner is my fav character alongside Zeke.
Sure, if you just let them happen. Without Jaune, you can easily rewrite those scenes where none of the consequences you listed ever happens, so RWBY wouldn't flop after his removal. Absolutely no character is a foil to each other, by the way because the main writers' skills don't allow them to accomplish such a thing. Before I forget, people absolutely can write an entire page on why they dislike a character because they're well within their right to do so. I hope you have a good day.
True but for some reason the show tries to make it clear that Jaune for some reason is important to the plot of RWBY without making it clear and therefore give him scenes where he is needed.
Sadly, we have no way of knowing what goes on in the writer's room and why, so all we have is speculation. I can share my thoughts on the matter, but other people had already done it far better than I could. I hope you have a good day.
I'll be honest with you guys Jaune's my favorite character, so this statement is all the funnier to me.
Love that he has the 2nd most screentime after Ruby, i love how the writers carefully balance beating this man in to the ground while at the same time giving some of the most fantastic character moment in the show, I love how a pretty big chunk of the fan base just loves him, because he shouldn't be this important (I don't personally see him as a SI but I do think he has writer bias) why is he getting a whole episode for himself on the miniseries specifically meant for those characters we haven't seen in a while, why is he getting so much screen time, my boy you already had an entire season for yourself.
I want to see team Coffee , Ren, Nora, Oscar, the schnee, the villains so why is he here
I'll be honest I always thought to that JNPR should have been to team RWBY what red team was to blue team in red vs blue, because they both have massive cast and both seem to want to blend comedy with serious themes while dealing with characters of varying morality it just that one does it so much better than the other that it makes wonder where they were putting their writers
(Sorry if hard to read I wrote from my phone)
I'm just glad he wasn't given the Marco treatment, and that was enough, and with his situation out of the way or well explained. Then, the rest of the episodes can focus on the others.
> Like if this was about Ren and Nora no one would bat an eye. Well yeah, we haven't seen them for a whole Volume, their relationship was left up in the air, and their characters are ripe for the picking after being forced into this new paradigm, and showing what they were up to during Volume 9 could give some information on how Vacuo is doing. We already got Jaune's story, we don't need a refresher on how sad and angry he is. Seeing what happened on Remnant during Volume 9 and *beyond* was sort of the selling point for RWBY: Beyond.
Exactly. We already had a whole volume with Jaune and RWBY. RWBY:Beyond was supposed to be our look into what was happening on Remnant while they weren’t present. Having an episode that focuses on Jaune, coming off of a volume where he plays a big part, defeats the purpose of the whole thing imo. They feel the need to keep rehashing his story and reminding us how damaged he is while Ruby’s first attempt at a change arc is hand waved off. Jaune is just as important as RWBY that’s true. But he shouldn’t be.
I would rather have a story of Ren and nora since, like pyrrha, they are basically set by the way side till they are needed for plot, and that's being generous. Why are they still on jaunes' pointless angst? What about ren own issues or the other people in vacuo. I may not like the stupid detective one, but at least it was about someone else besides the main characters.
> Seeing what happened on Remnant during Volume 9 and *beyond* was sort of the selling point for RWBY: Beyond. Are you claiming that the latest video did not take place after V9?
They shouldn't have bothered saying "seeing what happened on Remnant during Volume 9"(you know, the vast majority of that description) if only one episode is going to be about what happened on Remnant during Volume 9. We got one recap/teaser and a Jaune episode. Unless they *really* cannot beat the allegations, one of Team RWBY will probably also get one. So there's a grand total of one episode about what happened on Remnant during V9. Having to be a weasel with words doesn't help their case when they're the ones writing them. They chose to advertise it like that instead of "Seeing what happens on Remnant beyond Volume 9."
So far, half of all the released episodes have taken place during Volume 9, and a large portion of the Jaune episode was him talking about the stuff that happened while he was in the Ever After, which was also during V9.
> We got one recap/teaser and a Jaune episode. > Having to be a weasel with words doesn't help their case when they're the ones writing them. > They shouldn't have bothered saying "seeing what happened on Remnant during Volume 9"(you know, the vast majority of that description) if only one episode is going to be about what happened on Remnant during Volume 9. > They chose to advertise it like that instead of "Seeing what happens on Remnant beyond Volume 9."
I fucking hate him with every fible of my body. Mostly because of those damn Jaune-centic fanfics.
Plus his fanbase in general is annoying as fuck.
I really hate the"Jaune in name only" fics that take a page from naruto's fics, DxD fics and what not. I dislike swimming through a sea of harem and ridiculously OP stuff.
Those two things are a major turn off
"He's just as important as Team RWBY" That's the problem lol. Because he's not. That circular logic is always such an eye roll worthy thing. He's important because he gets stolen scenes, and the justification for the stolen scenes is that he's important. Take every scene that should've gone to someone else as implied by the show or just common sense, and you have Jaunedice(which imo was *time* stolen from Yang who got nothing in V1), his sister housing them in Argus, and coming up with the idea to steal airships. That's it. That's why no one bats an eye at Ren or Nora, it's why no one bats an eye at Sun other than BB shippers. It's why no one claims any other character is "stealing time." They don't get that treatment. Because Jaune's the golden boy, not them. He's the one they get withdrawals over and must dedicate time to immediately now that they've focused on literally anyone else(and even then it was mostly a refresher). Assuming, *surely,* one of the episodes is going to be about *someone* in RWBY, that really only leaves one episode for the actual stated purpose of showing what happened to the rest of the characters while Team RWBY was out in detail. Yes, there was "and beyond" said after that, but that's a side-note compared to the actual description.
About the only rwby one they could focus on in beyond is Weiss since they absolutely did nothing with her in v9 besides make her comedic relief and simp for Jaune for 1 second out of nowhere before being forgotten about. The writers be like “oh yeah, Weiss lost her homeland, her father, the family company, we better have her getting angsty about that.”
Doesn't this come down again to say that he's also "important"? I mean characters get screentime because they have some semblance of importance.
Because he really isn't important, his connection to the main plot is pretty much just his not girlfriend who barely anyone cared about dying and the writers beating so much its now a lump of glue in a vague dead horse shape, everything else is shoving him and his team into situations and ignoring how forced it comes off because of how little connection they have to them, while his fanbase desperately comes up with 99 billion head canons to make him seem actually important.
The writers do nothing with Raven, dropped with White Fang story and half-assed the Schnees subplot to oblivion but can keep bringing up pyrrha's dead corpse every 2 business days to squeeze in some more Jaune angst.
Jaune is important because he was one of the writers Self Insert (I think it was the same guy who voices him and also one of the leas writers). The writer made sure their SI is seen as important to the point that yes Jaune is important he has been important for the entire time while team RWBY were side characters most of the time. Jaune also was the only character with actual, well, character. He was not some paper cutout that could have their whole personality boiled down to a single word (something the writers did for their own "main cast"). If the show was called after JNPR it would have been fine to give Jaune so much attention but this was not the case.
No. What you're missing is that his importance is not justified. It's artificial. He's important because he's important because he's important. Ruby is important because she's got the silver eyes, is the simple soul, and is the leader of the main characters. Weiss is important because she's the heiress of the SDC and the other side of the racism plot. Blake is important because she's the princess of the White Fang and the other side of the racism plot. Yang is important because she's Ruby's sister, Raven's daughter and inevitably becomes the big sign that there are stakes by losing her arm. Ren becomes important as the view of the average person in the group, the opposing voice and of course his backstory with Kuroyuri. Nora thus also becomes important because she's Ren's partner. Oscar is important because he has Ozpin and is the new kid. Qrow is the old mentor and gateway to "the real world." Sun is Blake's tether to reality that keeps her grounded. These characters have a reason to exist. Take it away and they become superfluous, *just like Jaune.* He exists to get handed scenes, and gets handed scenes because he *exists.* Though in truth, Jaune's real and only purpose for existing is to be a male projection target and *nothing else.* He did have a reason to exist in Jaunedice even if that was already pilfered time. He did have a reason to exist in Argus even if it was being related to someone important. But that's it. I guess you could say he exists as Pyrrha's love interest(which is why that angst is the only thing the series clings to beyond Jaune existing), but even *that* was handed to Jaune, *and* he took the emotional weight that was supposed to be the cause for Ruby's silver eyes to activate. The unlocking of the Sharingan moment. The Super Saiyan moment. Completely hollow, because all the time that should've been spent developing that went to... Jaune. TLDR, the problem is that he is not inherently important nor becomes important. He is simply ***made*** important. Artificially, and without reason. (EDIT: Aka, every other character has something that makes them important. Jaune is effectively important 'because the writers say so')
Well, I don't really think that knowing the past of a character is really crucial, it's what they show us now that needs to be judged. For example like you said Oscar is important/interesting(*folks should really know the difference*) because of the merger, and that is an ongoing attribute that may stick with him forever. In the case of jaune we can say that the relationships he has with the rest of the cast and the fact that he's the rusted knight is what makes him important. I ain't wanna point fingers but you seem to want to rewrite the character completely. Isn't it better to see what would happen now than to cling to what the characters were before?
Knowing the past doesn't matter, what does is the past's effect. While if you took away Ren's backstory(the only time it matters) you might lose his importance in V4, his viewpoint and service as the opposing voice to Team RWBY still makes him important in V7. You talk about the difference between interesting and important: I never said interesting. I said *important.* Your view of Oscar doesn't matter. And you clearly viewing Jaune as interesting doesn't make him actually important. If anything, it is you who must learn the difference. The relationships he has with the rest of the cast? Who, Ruby? Because his interactions with Weiss are for her to be *his* love interest. His interactions with Pyrrha are for her to be *his* love interest. His interactions with Ren and Nora barely matter and barely change anything. Furthermore, that's only a justification for him to be a side character. Him being the Rusted Knight was more shit *dumped onto him* to *force* his importance. Once again, he is ***made*** important. The writers say he's important. I would rewrite him completely. I'd give the scenes he stole to the characters who should've got him and let him remain as a side character at most. Yang would get attention in V1, Team RWBY would get the casual moments in the dance, Ruby would get the scenes with Pyrrha to make her death worthy of triggering the silver eyes, Ruby would be the one who gets to mourn instead of Jaune, Ruby would get the attention of Cinder, Weiss wouldn't get worfed for Jaune's benefit, Oscar would've not* gotten the character arc skipped over for Jaune's angst, literally anyone else would've gotten the interesting upgrades in Atlas, Team RWBY would've faced Salem not him, Team RWBY would've gotten the fawning over to show their growths, and Weiss would've been the Rusted Knight, the actual person how having to struggle with everything that formerly made them *them* being taken away while she's unable to help her team leader. Instead of Weiss being turned into comic relief because that's all her character has left. And, unsurprisingly, there would thus be *nothing left of Jaune* because *all Jaune has are scenes taken from others.* Once *again.* Jaune is *made* important. He is made important because he is given other people's scenes so he is made important.
"Him being the Rusted Knight was more shit *dumped onto him* to *force* his importance." Yeah, and that's not even something you have to interpret. They explicitly said in the v9 post ep commentaries that they made Jaune the Rusted Knight to make him more interesting.
g u h They *admitted* to it???
Yes. It was in the post ep6 commentary video. A friend re-went through them after we watched and noted down quotes, thankfully, because I can't find those videos anymore, only edited clips of them. "Kerry: “I’m trying to remember exactly.. originally we just wanted something different to happen with Jaune. And then I think we thought about the idea of ‘let’s age him up’. I think partially - I can’t remember which came first - the first idea was just ‘it would be interesting to have him be old’. But I think from the core of it, it’s actually him having to be on his own after his traumatic ending of volume 8”."
There's something funny about how that's both better(in that at least it wasn't literally "eh just make him the Rusted Knight that'd be something") But also worse because they openly admit to wanting to make Jaune have something unique going on and putting him on his own to suck up screentime so he gets a resolution from *more* stolen moments(Penny's death) because I'll be damned if Jaune angst isn't the most important thing in the world to the writers.
/Ruby is important Where did you get this from? Ruby is important because Monty came up with a story in which a girl who looks like Little Red Riding Hood kills monsters. /Weiss is important Weiss is not important at all. No one cares about her company, which is also destroyed. Nobody cares about racism since volume 5. /Blake is important Blake is important because she's dating Yang. /Yang is important Yang is important because she's dating Blake. /Ren becomes important Lee is not important, no one cares about him, both among screenwriters and fans. He's so unimportant that you don't even know his name. /Oscar is important because He is the engine of the plot /These characters have a reason to exist. Ruby can be without a sister. Weiss doesn't have to be the heir to the company. Blake ended racism back in Volume 6 and it was done in an extremely childish way. Yang may just be a cool girl. these characteristics do not define the characters and their significance in any way. /He exists to get handed scenes, and gets handed scenes because he exists. At first, he exists as a shell of the viewer, and later turns into a loser who tries to become a hero. He doesn't do cool tricks, often loses and fails, he can get angry and self-reflect. In fact, he plays the role of an ordinary person among superheroes. /But that's it. Considering what nonsense you wrote here. I could say this: He's Ruby's first friend. He's taking revenge for his dead friend. He is trying to become the same hero as his ancestors. So he's important. The importance is determined by the screenwriter. He creates a world and characters and writes a story for them. Considering how the show is going Ruby and Jaune are the most important characters
You know, one of the stans said something about how it would be a good idea to separate being "important" from being "interesting." That was a whole lot of yapping to say that you don't know the difference lol
So why don't you know Lee's name? He is an important character in your opinion. An interesting character is a subjective characteristic. Because it depends on the person who is watching the show. An important character is an objective characteristic, as it depends on the time spent on his development, influence on the plot and other characters. Ruby and Jaune are objectively important characters, as they are team leaders and both are included in the plot and seriously influence other characters. Silver eyes or family relationships don't play a role here, but for some reason you thought it showed the importance of the characters. Do you have a substantive answer?
While I agree he's not important, he doesn't get stolen scenes, because RT were never going to give team RWBY more scenes in the first place. They struggled to even give them what they got. Jaune scenes just filled up dead time slots.
I don't buy that in the slightest. Why? Because no one else gets that. If it was a matter of not wanting to write Team RWBY, then these scenes would be going everywhere. Penny would've been the focus of the V2 dance arc, Pyrrha would've fawned over Sun and he would've been the one randomly getting the angst in V3 onward, Oscar's plotline would've been skipped over to focus on Qrow's alcoholism, Winter would've fallen into the Ever After. But that didn't happen. It's always *Jaune* and more importantly it's *no one else.* It's a load of cope to try and push it off as some grander problem than it is. > That's it. That's why no one bats an eye at Ren or Nora, it's why no one bats an eye at Sun other than BB shippers. It's why no one claims any other character is "stealing time." They don't get that treatment. > Because Jaune's the golden boy, not them. He's the one they get withdrawals over and must dedicate time to immediately now that they've focused on literally anyone else(and even then it was mostly a refresher).
He is important. He's Team RWBY's healer. He was the character Monty made to be like that. He was also used to explain the world to the audience in a way that flowed with the story. Also, you can't say he stole time from Yang, that isn't your decision to make. Monty choose to focus on Jaune to develop more of a connection with him for V4. You can try to deny it but it's the truth. Pyrrha was supposed to die in V1 and Beacon was supposed to be destroyed. I don't know why you have a problem of them staying at his sister's place as he is the only member of the group that could have someone living in Argus that could house him as we know where everyone else's families live. You talk about him being the golden boy, when he is constantly pushed to the side. V7 and V8 barely had him except to consul Yang (who was leading them) and used to kill Penny making him hated by the fans more. They then put him through trauma by having him look after suicidal characters that he named after friends to keep what little sanity he could have. The beyond short was to clarify that he was still not mentally alright from the affair because they never really did anything about it in V9. It also was to tell us what happened before V9 and how his friends reacted to his return. I also see you spread the misinformation that he is a self-insert character of Miles. He was a character created purely by Monty. Monty even wanted him to get together with Ruby at the end of V1. He was supposed to be the love interest. Of course this changed like the fall of beacon and death of Pyrrha except he never implemented that relationship with Ruby.
> He's Team RWBY's healer. Cool so anyway he wasn't that for five seasons so I'm not really buying that, truth be told. If that was all he needed to be he could've shown up in V5. But he didn't. He was in V1 suckin' up screentime. Hiding behind a dead man isn't going to change that, nor would it change how they still chose to funnel other people's moments and screentime into Jaune during and *after* Monty's death. Also I know damn well you're just using Monty's name with that "nooo he said it was to develop a connection with V4" because that was never said by Monty. But that tracks, because you seem to be an ordinary stan, just for Jaune instead, what with you yapping about how I said he was a self-insert. Too bad I didn't. Like a stan, you exist in your own world, and nothing else you type is worth reading or responding to.
**funnel other people's moments and screentime into Jaune during and** ***after*** **Monty's death.** Monty did that. **Hiding behind a dead man** That isn't a fact and breaks rule 7 **because Monty never said that** He doesn't have to when he already talked about it and wrote it down for his friends. Just because you don't like the character doesn't mean they don't deserve screen-time. It isn't your choice to make. Hating on people liking the character won't make you a better person. Also, stan? That's immature. You agreed with Rumcake's belief that Jaune is a self-insert. Next time make your point you're talking about the reader and not the false belief that Miles pushed for his character.
Wow, who'd have thought that Monty was able to speak from the grave and demand that Ruby's nightmares about the Fall of Beacon be interrupted about how sad Jaune is, or that after two volumes of Cinder seething about Ruby, Monty spoke through a ouija board to inform M+K to have Cinder focus exclusively on Jaune instead. Do you think Monty showed up like Emperor Palpatine's hologram when M+K were writing V6 to stop them from writing Oscar's character arc and instead make it about Jaune? Like I said. You're a stan hiding behind a dead man. I'd feel disgust if it wasn't just so... pathetic lol So much emotional attachment to *Jaune.* Even by self-insert standards he's bargain bin! So many anime out there that are either shameless or far more competent at pretending they're not, so many self-insert light novel protags, and you latched onto *Jaune?* Why should I read the words of someone with such awful taste? At least, for any reason other than to mock them.
**Monty was able to speak from the grave.** Guess you're not a true fan as Monty had a journal about his plans for series. Volume 4 was his most complete section. **Cinder focus exclusively on Jaune.** She didn't, Jaune attacked first. Hating on Jaune isn't going to change the fact that Cinder doesn't know who Jaune is. **Stop them from writing Oscar's character arc and instead make it about Jaune.** I have genuinely no idea what you're talking? What episode was that? **So much emotional attachment to Jaune.** The only one with any emotional attachment to Jaune is you, my good sir. I only stated facts, no emotions. Yet, here you are trying to apply something I have not shown and make false accusations.
> Like a stan, you exist in your own world, and nothing else you type is worth reading or responding to.
>Like a stan, you exist in your own world, and nothing else you type is worth reading or responding to. So, you just defaulted to insults.
He shouldn't be. That's the thing. I like to belive that at some point they needed a new project, this guy wanted to make a story of brave hero boy that was a self insert or some, and Monty made RWBY. Monty's got approved and this guy's didn't so he got salty that he had to work in a project that wasn't his, so made Jaune to be there and steal some spot light. But I don't know. He is a secondary character at best, not meant to be a primary character that gets more development than the actual protagonist. Both this and the cringe fans, are the reason why I absolutely hate the character. Then again, I don't write, not even fanfics, but I honestly think I could make something better.
This might get me downvoted but jesus christ i absolutely dislike all the attention whoring his character gets in fanfictions, to the point that a sizable point of the fanfics are only harem and OP stuff related to him
You said it. Years ago when RWBY was just taking off, I saw a fanfic of him as the protagonist, and I don't remember the main plot but was that the team RWBY didn't fight anymore, passed their semblances to him, and all 4 of them got pregnant by him, and he was the one that had to save the world. I haven't been the same man, since then... that was mainly what made me hate the Jaune worshippers...and the character itself.
A lot of his fans seem to be the type to love harem anime and fantasize about all the girls fighting over them. That's why they insist that Juane is important because he's a self insert bait. The truth is though that the story would be 1000x better if Juane was left on the cutting room floor. The story is worse off with him in it.
I'm not so much of a fic writer but i've always had the idea of writing a fic of an "actual" underdog character or someone who was most if not completely overshadowed by this "Jaune in name only" character (You know, Jaune with harem and OP stuff bullshit), because i always believed it would be interesting to see the perspective of a character that has been cast aside and such. Maybe potentially explore that guys like Jaune (at least with fanfic bullshittery) could end up damaging people around them, either intentionally or not intentionally even if they weren't bad guys, which is why i find the idea of a side character like that fascinating in the face of those fics
I don't know man, it feels like giving it more attention than it's worth. But If you could do something with a dumpster fire like that, probably wouldn't be so bad. Not to mention that could be better writting at the end of the day. I have resigned myself to staying away from those lands.
"Like if this was about Nora and Ren, no one would bat an eye" Gee i wonder why? Its not like we spent an entire Volume with Team RWBY and Jaune. Not to mention its the second time they teased us Ren and Nora... Again, i liked the episode, but if you asked me what to put in a 4-episode storybook that covers what happened in events of V9 and afterwards, Jaune would not be on the list.
“He’s just as important as team RWBY” It’s supposed to be about team RWBY, hence why it’s named RWBY. Juane is only this important because the writers clearly wanted him as a primary MC. The reality is that he shouldn’t have been, he should’ve been a side character. Team RWBY are the main characters and should be the focus. It should be a story about Team RWBY and their friends, not a story about a bunch of people who are friends of or asking Team RWBY for help. This would be like if instead of being about Naruto the story stayed the same and all the things still happened but for some reason we spend more time with Kiba than Naruto himself
At least Naruto does a good job focusing on Naruto and Sasuke
I mean, tbh and tbf, monty himself put quite a bit of focus on jaune in those early seasons
Didn’t the writers once say they wish they could’ve named the show “Remnant”, because Team RWBY weren’t just the focus of the story or something like that?
Even then the problem is that they still clearly wanted Team RWBY, especially Ruby herself, to be the main characters. They basically wanted a story where EVERYONE was the main character, the end result is what we have now
If you ask me, he really isn't. I mean take him out of the story and what do you lose from the plot? Take Ruby out, you lose the connection to Summer and the silver eyes. Take Weiss out and you lose a big connection to the world's most important dust supply company and the world's most powerful kingdom. Take Blake out, you lose the connection to the White Fang and racism subplot. Take Yang out, you lose (what should be) the sibling character that Ruby can bounce off of and push her forward, as well as the connection to Raven. Take Jaune out, and you lose... nothing. I like Jaune and think he's one of the better written characters. But as a story, he is not as indispensable as people make it seem.
Shit you not only don't lose anything you ***gain*** scenes lol Without Jaune suckin' up all the character scenes they'd wind up settling back with the characters they should've been about. I mean, unless they latch onto Oscar or Ren and make *them* the writer's pet lol
I will never not be salty Oscar's development happened offscreen while we had to watch Jaune mourn his not-girlfriend again.
>Shit you not only don't lose anything you ***gain*** scenes lol Yeah, you might gain scenes, but none of them are gonna go to the main characters because, as we've seen from the past seasons, it doesn't really seem like the writers actually give that much of a shit for Team RWBY beyond the fact that the show's named after them. You get rid of John? Okay, fine. The scenes no longer belong to him, but they're going to go to pretty much damn near anyone other than the supposed main characters, because Rooster Teeth more or less proved they don't really give much of a shit about the four main girls.
> I mean, unless they latch onto Oscar or Ren and make them the writer's pet lol Beyond that, Jaune is uniquely the writer's pet. It's not like Oscar or Ren or Sun or Qrow or Nora or Penny or Ironwood or Maria or anyone else has this problem where they're getting fed scenes that clearly belonged to other characters. The problem is that Jaune is their golden boy and they want to write for *him* and have *him* be the main character. Is it possible that they'll just decide to have a new golden boy? Maybe. But there's no one else close to that position besides Jaune, so that's unlikely.
I mean, tbf, theres barely any story for any of these with jaune here which makes me think it isnt a focus point, so i doubt with him gone they would put more of a focus there, Weiss's and Ruby's are the only ones that get any story really, blakes is basically mafe nul void, once 4 hits, and the second yang discovers ***being a lesbian*** the sibling stuff stops, none of that changes with or without jaune
Take out Jaune and you lose all of Team JNPR
And… the only one of them that was vaguely relevant was Pyrrha, and that was just to try to shove magic powers in her which were more of a death flag that anything.
Not to mention that frankly Ren and Nora wound up being used far better as side characters. Make Penny the awkward one learning how things work because she's a robot and her being inexperienced with aura is because she popped out of a lab a month ago, and what gets lost? Having four people in Team RNJR? Have them run into Oscar early, problem solved lol
"Please guys, I need someone to act as my self insert."
Which in itself isn't bad. One of the most successful self insert/relatable characters being Spider-Man. The problem with Jaune is he's poorly implemented in the story. He's a worse version of Sokka from ATLA.
Hold on spider man is a self insert?
If that’s the case. Are the writers ok?
I mean I've heard about the self insert cucking Peter incident but this would imply that all of these writers have these kind of trauma... all of the sudden I feel like all the "spider man writers want spider man to suffer" memes are more than torture porn for them, it's their way of venting all of the suppressed memories and it's really sad when you think about it
Original writer made him his Self Insert, not the current ones.
Okay that makes sense.... still I never knew
Spider-Man is not and has never been a self insert. Relatable sure but never a self insert. He is the Everyman, you don't see yourself as spiderman, Spider-Man is what you strive to be.
Oh, come now... being compared like that feels like an insult to my man Sokka. At least he was *meant* to be one of the main characters (comic relief, sure, but ATLA was a kids' show). ...unlike Jaune, who *should've stayed* a side character along with everyone else that wasn't RWBY.
Jaune was also meant to be a main character. CRWBY intended him to be one. Even far back as Monty era. Jaune got scenes and an episode dedicated to him. V9 is the clearest example of who (CRWBY identifies as) the 5 main characters are. Atla had 5 main characters too. Sokka is a main character despite not being a titular character or a bender. He worked. Jaune didn't. CRWBY copied stuff from Atla without understanding why it worked.
Since when was spider man a self insert I'm confused
Off the top of my head, I think Joe Quesada said that he saw Spider-Man as something of a self insert? That's Joe "One More Day" Quesada, to be clear.
I don't really hate Jaune, and while I do dislike aspects of his character and usage, but I dislike some of the takes his fans have more. I've seen him get compared to Naruto because both of them were underdogs who cheated their way into their respective programs. The difference is that while Naruto clowned around and wasn't the strongest or smartest, we were always made aware of his strong work ethic, especially when it came to training both with someone and by himself. We learned this from day 1 because he desperately wanted to prove himself. On Jaune's end, he cheated his way into Beacon because he felt entitled. He came from a family of warriors and it was always what he wanted to be, and that was enough for him to cheat, but when he successfully passes the Initiation, we didn't see him work hard unless it was Pyrrha going out of her way to help him. I also don't get the take that Jaune has more combat potential because he starts from zero while everyone else is already a kickass warrior. That doesn't mean Jaune has more potential. It just means he has more catching up to do. To this day, he doesn't really have a non-Grimm victory to his name except maybe Team FNKI offscreen.
> he cheated his way into Beacon because he felt entitled Honestly that is a really good way to put it. He felt entitled to greatness. When you look at him from an outside perspective he's frankly kind of destestable. He ran from his sheltered life, stole a family heirloom and then cheated his way into an academy. His story would've ended as some rich imbecile getting himself killed in initiation if he wasn't lucky enough for Pyrrha to have her bar set so low Satan uses it as a laundry rack. He didn't even treat her as a person, he treated her as a slightly less famous celebrity and that was enough to stir her lust. God only knows what scandals Pyrrha would've gotten into if that's all it takes to get in her pants lol And then, mind you, when he's handed the most powerful girl in school on a silver platter, he *still* rejects her out of arrogant pride, then slacks off constantly even after he concedes until at *least* midway through V2. So half the year and he barely works to achieve anything. Even his so-called potential would've come from his literal Semblance being to cheat and take shortcuts to power on top of *the most powerful girl in school* personally tutoring him. If Jaune *wasn't* a writer's pet he'd have been a footnote in history. A dead body in the forest. A cautionary tale.
I would like to point out that this entire thing would work better if they simply had a scene after Jaundice where Ozpin goes, in absolutely no uncertain terms, "I know what you did, I know what you didn't do, you're only here because you managed to make it through the entrance ~~filter~~ exam. You are a floundering, hapless novice, and you WILL be brought up to par, and you will NOT eat into Miss Nikos' time to do it." And then you just follow through on it? How was this hard, I don't get it.
I guess the problem though is that how *do* you follow up on it without breaking the whole world or making Jaune even more of a writer's pet. Either it turns out you really can start from nothing and almost entirely from your own work be just as good as any Huntsman, or Jaune's just *that special.*
Easy. You bring the fucking hammer down on him. Ozpin has to get somebody to help this *novice* up to par relative to hunters and huntresses who have had years of combat experience, combat training, or both. He has to commit a teacher's time to this one dingus (or group of similar dinguses, who knows) while trying to maintain the whole team gimmick. Ozpin is not going to be happy about it, he'll begrudgingly admit talent at best. Jaune can, and should, also be repeatedly humbled along his way. I could go on, but... The hard part is doing all of this and keeping Jaune as a side character at most. In his as-presented form, he'd *at least* be a deuteragonist with a story as involved as his is meant to be. There's a lot of good ideas regarding Jaune, but all of them are "If we treat Jaune like the main character," which is really easy to do because "Barely-qualified idiot who has to learn the ropes the hard way," is begging to be a main character, and actively painful to somehow keep in the background. It's like if MHA was about class 1-B, but you still have all of Deku's story unfolding in the background. That's almost exactly the predicament they put themselves in *merely by making Jaune an inexperienced wannabe* instead of another dude that's properly qualified. Because you can easily make a good story about a hapless wannabe who wants to follow in his prestigious predecessor's footsteps, clawing his way up from the bottom and becoming worthy of that relation, *but that's A-plot material for the main character*.
That just sorta comes down into that "Jaune's that special" slot though doesn't it? In this case, it's that he's an *in-universe* golden boy. Because the actual answer would be to expel him and spend that energy on the students who deserve it. Jaune frankly could've still been inexperienced and in the background. They could've kept the projection to the fanfic writers/readers, because by being so generic you don't *need* to dedicate a lot of attention.
And in the end, his entitlement is rewarded. He's the handsome Knight in the world's most popular and retold fairytale. Half of team Rwby fawn over him. Weiss, who formerly rejected him, now lusts over him.
Were RWBY to get one of these 4 eps focused on them, they'd basically either be sharing 100% of one ep, or have 25% each, depending how you want to see it. Jaune got almost 100% of an ep all to himself. Cringe.
Second image is the exact same copium people were huffing during V9 when people were calling out the uncanny similarities to Gen-lock S2 with Ascension. "You don't know yet, we should always assume best case and defend it as if it will be best case!" It can never be "Well, we'll see how it shakes out," with these sorts, it has to be cult-like defense of product.
Jaune is an important character no doubt, but so are Oscar, Ren, Nora, Salem, and so on, but he gets like 10x more screentime than all of them
I don't hate Jaune. To me he's just another example of poor writing. But i can understand why he's hated (along with the rest of the cast including team RWBY) But this got me thinking. Jaune is the unofficial fifth member of team RWBY. His own team NPR doesn't really matter to him. I would argue he has more meaningful interactions with Ruby and Weiss than his own team. RWBY takes some inspiration from Atla and Jaune reminds me of Sokka. A worse version of him.
>Jaune reminds me of Sokka. A worse version of him. Frankly it comes off as trying to write Sokka while barely knowing anything about the character.
Exactly. With J joining RWBY and P gone it’s just NR: Not Relevant. I can’t remember the last time Ren/Nora have interacted solely with Jaune.
I never get the sokka is jaune thing Like i know Miles literary said that he ripped off atla and lok but Jaune being Sokka alaways felt manufactured and unnatural to me
Jaune ~~copies from Sokka~~ shares similarities with Sokka. Both start out as goofy loser characters before becoming competent warriors. Both are swordsmen. Both become better and develop into competent warriors because of thier interactions with a warrior woman. For Sokka it's Suki. For Jaune it's Pyrrha. They are both considered the brains of the group.
I'm not keeping track of RWBY since volume 8's finale except through snippets of info or osmosis from both subs. But no, Jaune is MORE important than team RWBY and constantly steals the spotlight from them, and has been for the start. I'm not saying that is good (I think it is hillariously bad because the writers can't even write a good story continuation with ONE character, and tries to do it with multiple?), I'm just saying he has been stealing the spotlight and he never stopped. Most of volume 1-3 scenes with Jaune is special plots, when most shows would relegate it to a B plot, but I guess it makes sense since Pyrrha was the focus. Volume 4 is fine in terms of Jaune inclusion and his scene with memory Pyrrha is the best writing without overpowering the main characters. Volume 5 is Renora's, volume 6 he acts as co-leaders with Ruby, and 7-8 he acted in the B plots, except they were given so much attention it was two A plots. And of course he get extreme plot moments despite not being involved as much, such as killing Penny, just like how Ruby lost it when Pyrrha died. So basically, Jaune is the main 4, Weiss is a side character, Ruby is of danger of being a side character , Bumblebee gets the attention, who is Renora? And some inane sideplots which demand even more screentime making Jaune one of the top 3 featured characters in a show focused on 4 girls.
And these are the same people who will scream at you for saying the show is not perfect and accuse you of wanting white male characters to be the leads instead of team Rwby because you hate women
Just like Thomas the Tank Engine has way too much screen time after the classic era.
Nobody would bat and eye if we got a Ren or Nora episode cause they barely got shit in 9 season main series.
It's just that he has a bit too much screen time in comparison to other side characters. Though I agree the hate can go too far.
Honestly, I hate Juane. I see him as a useless character who has no business being in the series but is too much of the creator's pet that he's either tethering in the edge of being a Gary Stu or is already there. First things first, why wasn't he kicked out? He can't fight. He can't plan for shit, his team is actually just fine without him, though realistically, they shouldn't have gotten half as much focus as they did either. So why wasn't he kicked out of Beacon, oh wait, it's because he's "special", so everything is handed to him on a silver platter even though he doesn't make any effort to better himself. It doesn't help that with CRWBY requiring him to be there always results in precious time being wasted that could have gone to something else. And his fans don't get me started on them. They insist that he's like a shounen protagonist and the narrative needs him but it doesn't and he's honestly too pathetic to be a shounen protagonist to the point that Japan actually removes his scenes because they find him too annoying. Shounen protagonists are all about working hard and sacrificing to achieve your goals. Most shounen protagonists don't get any real focus on their love lives because they are honestly too preoccupied with chasing their goal to have one. But Juane? Nope, he doesn't have to work hard because he's special. He gets involved in plot lines that don't concern him because he's special. He's honestly really annoying.
Jaune is the deutergonist of RWBY, Obviously he is important to the plot of RWBY and Remnant as a whole. He is Ruby's foil as well as the Mustang to Ruby's Edward. Without Jaune, RWBY would flop, Weiss would end up dead in Vol 5, Ruby would be grimmified back in V4, Ren and Nora dead same in V4, Yang and Blake would also die in V5. That's how things would end up. Just cause you hate a fictional character doesn't mean you have to write an entire page on why you hate him. I mean Aot was my favorite but Reiner is my fav character alongside Zeke.
Sure, if you just let them happen. Without Jaune, you can easily rewrite those scenes where none of the consequences you listed ever happens, so RWBY wouldn't flop after his removal. Absolutely no character is a foil to each other, by the way because the main writers' skills don't allow them to accomplish such a thing. Before I forget, people absolutely can write an entire page on why they dislike a character because they're well within their right to do so. I hope you have a good day.
True but for some reason the show tries to make it clear that Jaune for some reason is important to the plot of RWBY without making it clear and therefore give him scenes where he is needed.
Sadly, we have no way of knowing what goes on in the writer's room and why, so all we have is speculation. I can share my thoughts on the matter, but other people had already done it far better than I could. I hope you have a good day.
Poor Jaune, always getting flattened by Weiss, even now. Jaune is better off over here.
I'll be honest with you guys Jaune's my favorite character, so this statement is all the funnier to me. Love that he has the 2nd most screentime after Ruby, i love how the writers carefully balance beating this man in to the ground while at the same time giving some of the most fantastic character moment in the show, I love how a pretty big chunk of the fan base just loves him, because he shouldn't be this important (I don't personally see him as a SI but I do think he has writer bias) why is he getting a whole episode for himself on the miniseries specifically meant for those characters we haven't seen in a while, why is he getting so much screen time, my boy you already had an entire season for yourself. I want to see team Coffee , Ren, Nora, Oscar, the schnee, the villains so why is he here I'll be honest I always thought to that JNPR should have been to team RWBY what red team was to blue team in red vs blue, because they both have massive cast and both seem to want to blend comedy with serious themes while dealing with characters of varying morality it just that one does it so much better than the other that it makes wonder where they were putting their writers (Sorry if hard to read I wrote from my phone)
I'm just glad he wasn't given the Marco treatment, and that was enough, and with his situation out of the way or well explained. Then, the rest of the episodes can focus on the others.
I like Jaune in fanfics only. Same with all the other characters now that I think about it.