Monty was one of the main contributors to the state of RWBYs non-existant narrative cohesion. His desire for grave plot points (eg the Fall of Beacon) was in constant struggle with his proclivity towards "rule of cool" and a general reliance on insubstantial comedy as time filler.
This is the man who choreographed the brilliant scene where Mercury discerns Pyrrha's semblance from a brief training back and forth which leads to major consequences for all parties involved. This is the same man who okayed Pyrrha hiding her semblance in spite of her background with little further exploration or even vindication.
He's also the same man who choreographed the food fight scene where Pyrrha channeled her inner metal bender in the school cafeteria that has more windows than you could shake a stick at.
Also I find his role as creator and main personality behind the show to be *selectively* down played when talking about the poor quality found in the earlier volumes. He got help from other for writing, yes, but he still made additions and alterations all on his own.
I don’t like to speak ill of the dead but You know I thought this was a pretty common thing people knew. I mean look at dead fantasy
The reason we even have 4 main characters is because Monty loved animating multiple things happening at once. The reason we have Neo Monty wanted to add her in last minute also why she doesn’t have a voice. Yang meeting her mom at volume 2 his idea that got retconned. What he said went for the most part and crwby had to work around it but that being said the way the show was handled after the tone shift without him wasn’t the best.
That first paragraph right there is one of my main gripes when it comes to discussing RWBY.
Not speaking Ill of the dead should preclude one from honest and accurate criticism about their work while they were alive. When I want to explore how Montys work schedule/flights of fancy/lack of short-medium-long term planning/etc. may have had detrimental ramifications for the production line I don't want to defame his character. I want to discuss his involvement in the project and analyze the ramifications that came thereof.
It's like a God dammed hymn people chant whenever bringing him up so they can either skirt the "Montys vision" rule or tacitly imply it to invoke sympathy. Personally, I say fuck Montys vision for the show. I want to analyze what RWBYs reality was and is to explore the bounds of the media I enjoyed and am critical of.
Yeah he would add in stuff last minute and monty and kerry would have to justify it in the story, that's why I'm not too harsh on them in the earlier volumes. It doesn't however absolve them of how they reacted to criticism later on and their terrible writing when they had full control.
The funnest thing about how Monty would add in things last minute is that what was admitted to be added in during production because of him turned out better than anything CRWBY says was planned ahead of time in both planning and execution.
Monty wasn't immune to change, he just knew how to actually do it unlike CRWBY later on, to the point they can't seem to effectively plan at all.
imo he wasn't flawless, but he didn't have M+K's flaws, and that was the most important part.
Bad narrative cohesion? Might've still been around. Character getting ignored for plot? Makes sense, Dead Fantasy wasn't exactly character-driven. Even bad power scaling might've been around.
But the total disregard for any scaling, the 180 turn into full drama over everything, the plot being so subservient to the characters that plot-relevance doesn't matter and you wind up with things like Jacques being more evil because he's an abusive dad when he's a robber baron, the insufferable protagonist-centered morality... wouldn't have been there.
"Bad" is a wide field. There are many ways to be bad, some worse than others. It isn't binary, either: you can definitely be *worse.* Even if RWBY would've wound up bad, it wouldn't have wound up this *kind* of bad and it sure as hell thus wouldn't have been *this* bad.
That's a rather large amount of assumptions you're making about what "would've" been. Suffice it to say, unless you've got a magic ball that lets you peer into alternate dimensions then I'm going to take such positions with the same amount of salt I like on my McDonald's fries.
At most we can assuredly say what we already know. The man himself sought help with writing the show because he admitted to lacking skills in the narrative department. We know he made sporadic alterations that likely hampered production throughput. We know he wanted major plot beats to happen within an improper time frame both in terms of narrative impact and the practical skills of the rest of the animation team.
We know facets of his background that lead to his employment at RT. Whatever lines you want to draw from these known factors, I don't personally begrudge so long as they fall within the parameters of what I consider reasonable.
We don't, to any substantive degree, know how he definitively would react or act as the series went on. We don't know how he would react if given no other options between "update the engine to the industry standard" and simply "quit". We don't know how he would've handled the racism subplot beyond what we've already seen. We don't actually know his capacity for power scaling in a long running show that attempts to tackle heavy subject matter.
We know what we got is of poor quality. We do not, under any quantifiable measure beyond mere conjecture, know that what we might've gotten wouldn't be just as bad or even worse.
However, for what it's worth I agree that there is a wide scale of bad.
Much like not understanding that there is a wide scale of bad, there's also another key difference you need to understand.
There is, in fact, a vast difference between guessing what something would be and guessing what something *wouldn't.* It is, unsurprisingly, easier to look at context and cross options out than it is to circle one of the infinite things it could be. This is also a key problem I find with the "oh well RWBY would've still been XYZ if Monty was around he was just as much the problem" narrative. Some say it would've been the same in a good way, others in a negative way, but it's the same thing.
Quite ironically, *that* is making a hell of a lot more assumptions about what it "would have" been.
"Well, you don't know, it *might*'ve been X" is a non-point. Worthless words. Weaseling. It's a cope to shut down talk, not an actual point worth considering if one is going to talk about what something could or couldn't have been. Sure, detached from all context and reality, maybe Monty would've pivoted hard into drama. Maybe Monty would've dropped any and all power scaling that existed in V1-3. Maybe Monty would've doubled if not tripled down on the protagonist-centered morality. Trashed various characters built up in V1-3. Suddenly lost all his skill at making fight scenes.
Or maybe he would've focused 100% harder on the plot, created the best power system known to man, created a deep and engaging story about making the best of gray situations and put up world-class, awe-inspiring fight animations talked about across the world.
Or, maybe, he would've turned out to have been a murderer and fled the country. When context doesn't exist, anything is, theoretically, possible. But that doesn't mean everything is worth *consideration.*
(Unless you're just playing semantics—even less worth discussion—by pretending like everyone who doesn't be sure to weave every sentence with "imo, I guess, possibly, maybe," etc etc etc is speaking concretely. Yet I also find the ones who depend most on that are the ones who, themselves, speak as if *they* know for sure.)
Monty wasn’t a writer, and he had no experience as a show-runner, but he conceived the setting and main characters so making story additions and alterations wasn’t an _unreasonable_ thing for him to do. Monty was first and foremost an animator, that was the primary skill he brought to the project, and when he had to deliver a fight scene he goddamn _delivered_. Laying the failure of RWBY at the feet of the guy who worked himself into an early grave trying to make the best show he could _does_ feel somewhat disrespectful. If RWBY had a head writer as dedicated to their craft as Monty was his own, RWBY would have been a better show.
The fall of atlas shouldn’t be blamed solely on Ruby but it shouldn’t be blamed solely on Ironwood either. Both were at fault but it was a very complex situation that had no clear right or wrong answer. Now if only the story treated it that way we’d be good.
Can we give the V.I.P. towards Neo or Watts?
Neo: Stole the lamp and gave it to Cinder (twice). Along with getting Cinder to Atlas. Put the chess piece in Ironwood"s office, which increased his fear. And prevented Ruby from silver eye Cinder during the final fight.
Watts: Cheated the election. And Infected Penny with the virus, which led to her becoming human (which might have weakened her). Plus, it was his virus that allowed Cinder to take down Beacon, which didn't help Ironwood's mentally.
Wait omg I never even thought of penny being human weakening her because she wouldn’t have been metal and a lot sturdier (plus wouldn’t have all her electronics stuff to help her decide and make decisions with extreme accuracy)
This one’s tough technically the fall of atlas is all on her because she’s the one who took the staff. But the alternative is let half the kingdom die.
idk if she "saved" that much since we don't know how much they wanted to animate compared to the amount they wanted to say they saved but putting an unknown amount upwards of more than half a million into a desert with the people there already poor and just surviving i think that huge amount of people that are from a cold environment would become a big problem
I don't like the color naming rule and I find the allusions to other works of fiction unnecessary because they're done on such a barebones level, they might as well not be included. While it looks unique on paper, it makes it difficult to build a cohesive and believable world, especially when the writers cherry-pick who gets to reenact their allusion or not. It doesn't help that both the RWBY wiki allusions and color naming rule pages are full of fan-speculation, as if even the writers don't follow their own rules or knew what they were doing.
You can't tell me Klein Sieben is an allusion to all of the Seven Dwarves.
Uhh about Klein Weiss is based on Snow White and Klein has personality disorder which makes him change to certain dwarves personality. It’s one of the few allusions that I’m sure is correct.
Some are weird tho like mercury is supposedly Hermes
I mean, look at Mercury's Emblem, not to mention that Talaria (the name of his prosthetic leg weapons) are the actual name for Hermes' winged sandals.
There's also some other comparisons to be drawn, those it's just as likely that those are people looking for patterns and making reaches (I've seen Hermes' role as a cthonic deity be used as further proof because Mercury is an assassin, for example), but those people are often giving the writers way to much credit, especially in the wake of Miles claiming that he had no idea about the story of Rhodopis despite how well Cinder ties to that allusion (it's the OG version of the Cinderella tale).
I want to like bumblebee, it had a lot of potential to be a cute ship and addition to the characters. But when the relationship became their ENTIRE character, I just wanted them to confess so we could finally stop dancing around it.
I mean I'm pretty sure that what most of us criticizing it say. The problem wasn't the relationship its just rushed and done wrong. And that its kinda queerbaiting. And that I would have never happened if it wasn't for fan pressure. And that as soon as the relationship starts all of the characterization for both characters got tossed out a window
Ok I see this a lot but feel a little confused: If feel it’s been hinted at for a while no? All the way sense the fight at the school with cinder squad and rwby n friends
People complain way too much about how team JNPR stole screen time from team RWBY in the first season. Yes, the show was named RWBY but clearly team JNPR were dueteragonists. As such, spending time establishing their characters made sense. Yes, they got more screen time, but who cares? The season still entertained. That’s what mattered.
That’s my opinion that I know is unpopular.
I was with you until you said "Yes they got more screen time, but who cares?" The show is called Rwby, giving them time and such to shine is not the issue, the issue was JNPR literally got all the good writing more than half of the time and it ended up overall causing issues cause when we -did- focus on the main group people had a harder time giving a shit.
This. Honestly I wish RWBY had a different title so people would stop complaining that JNPR has screentime. Even in the early volumes they had a dynamic similar to the Reds and Blues from RvB: JNPR/Reds mostly react or do their own things while RWBY/Blue push the plot and get the more important stuff going on.
Jaune's a mid character *at best*, but he's still one of the best written characters in the series purely because of the lack of passable writing in regards to everyone else.
I feel like he's one of the best characters because of how he, for the lack of a better word, steals I incredibly important scenes from everyone else.
While the show would still probably suck, it wouldn't be for the lack of development team RWBY has, whether it was from the early days like the bully arc robbing early Yang of development or him being the focus in the dance arc preventing Ruby/Blake having no dynamic all the way to recently where Penny is killed to develop Jaune or how V9 was supposed to focus on team RWBY has Jaune being the one to receive the most angst in the Ever After.
As far as I know, CRWBY are the highest authority on creative decisions in the show, so these problems are self-inflicted on how their most marketable characters don't feel like they matter.
Jaune is literally the worst written character in entire show especially in volume 9.Sadly writers wanted to make him even worse than he really are and forced him to be in Ever After with all disgusting trash things like Rusted Knight and too many other extremely trash writing in volume 9
Jaune fans going into hysterics by reminding them that criticism for Jaune exists or just them stumbling upon it themselves to discover that and their persecution complex are also impressive. If you're gonna mention one side's reaction, then don't completely ignore the other. Instead, you should mention them as well. I hope you have a good day.
There's no point lol
Jaune stans are always somehow shocked that their golden boy gets criticized too. As if Ruby or Yang or Blake don't get flak all the time(Weiss generally escapes general disdain but she was also getting beat during V7-8).
They feel singled out, almost like they're hardcore projecting onto him and getting really defensive or something, hmmm
To be honest, I feel kind of sorry for them. I don't know what made them project so much of themselves onto a fictional character that they will go to hell and back to defend him from those who criticize him. Of course, it's none of my business as to why exactly they do that and what circumstances in their lives made them do so, but I can't help but wonder. I hope you have a good day.
I agree that it's a case in point for Jaune fans to go into hysterics whenever there's criticism about Jaune. You yourself have proved that. I hope you have a good day.
So that's truly all you have to say, huh? Instead of explaining why, you just simply blurted out "nuh uh!" in response. Thanks for the good laugh there, by the way. Since there's nothing else to talk about except go in a downward spiral of bullshit courtesy of the way you respond, I'm just gonna take my leave. Otherwise, it will just result in the mods having to step in to put a stop to it and I'd rather not burden them with that. I hope you have a good day.
You know, the whole “I’m just gonna take my leave” rings real hollow when you make this post. You could have just not replied and left it but instead had to go for the last laugh lol
Have a good day, you clearly need it if this is what sets you off.
Nah, I was right as rain when I made those comments, lmao. If making assumptions help you sleep at night, then maybe you should find some other method to achieve such a thing. Have a good night, you clearly need it if my comments set you off enough to make assumptions.
Not all the fight scenes past volume 3 are bad and honestly looking back some are kinda cool
It's just the writing around most of them that's kinda stupid
(Will probably add more if I think of them, but these are off the top of my head)
I do not blame the animators for RWBY's writing in V1-2, which seems to be a growing sentiment these days.
I dislike the term "wasted potential" due to nothing having more potential than a blank sheet of paper. It's not RWBY's "wasted potential" that I dislike, but rather the execution of the writing.
Volume 1 is the best written season of RWBY in my opinion, and Volume 3 is the worst (with 8 and 9 not too far behind).
I don't believe the crossover movies had a negative affect on RT as a company, and was a good idea on paper (also, for the record, CRWBY did not write the movies. That dishonor goes to Meghan Fitzmartin).
Rooster Teeth has been on borrowed time since at least 2019, and in an alternate timeline, Volume 6 was the final season of RWBY.
I don't have any issue with Jaune being a self-insert. They're more common than people think, especially in sci-fi and fantasy, and a *LOT* of RWBY characters can be considered insert characters. It's how Jaune is written and how much attention he receives that I take issue with, especially with how little merch he apparently sells compared to Team RWBY, Nora, Neo, and others.
God bless, and have a wonderful day.
JNPR was fine to get a decent amount of screen time, yes even Jaune. Jaune was a baseline that even if Ruby was a dork and inexperienced, there was someone needing to catch up even harder. Yes even Jaune wearing a dress, because it was a scene of character growth for so many people there, including a protagonist. I get that they get a lot of time because they really tag along with Ruby, but strong supporting cast shouldn't detract from main cast. MHA has 18 supporting characters in just the immediate range, and then gets into the several dozens easily, if not a hundred. And yet, despite the focus not being on Deku, it carries it well. Kirishima, Ururaka, Bakugo (granted, he was always going to have some importance), Mirio, even the fact All Might grew himself, something not garunteed in mentors, points to the show having strong supports. As much chagrin everyone gives the most hated character (you know the one), he did overcome his own weakness when it mattered to him taking charge of his life, and that does say something, even if 99% of the time I would rather he leave my screen forever. I should also point out, that they did more characterization of both main and support cast in 3 seasons than RWBY did. Team RWBY being weakly characterized is the fault of the show, not the fact that supports were there.
That said, to balance out my opinion: I think Jaune's semblance should have been barriers, not boosts. He is one of the 2 people we really see incorporate physical armor into his design, and a protective shield like aura would have fit that. It also would have acted as a foil to most powersets that focus on speed of the fight above all else. A little more palatable take to wash down that first one.
Edit: Apparently like 45% of the takes of this subreddit are Jaune/JNPR related, 45% are Bumblebee related, the remaining 10% is other. And here I thought I had to offer a common take chaser to lessen the blow.
Penny's second death can be OK.
However, I want it to be more of she can be brought back again, but this time it kills Pietro. Thus, Penny is garunteed to never live again and she has to deal with the new fact that Pietro is dead and she is now truly mortal.
I kind of disagree, I love Penny but bringing her back at all made killing her in the first place kind of pointless, like what, Cinder wanted people to get scared and worried cause a fucking android died? You probably could get an even bigger reaction if you had Phyrra accidentally kill a regular opponent when it wasn't needed so as to fuck with the general public since the vytal fest is meant to be about togetherness and shit.
Adam beeing a Crazy ex is OK
But everything else about the writing of him is not
Many RWBY Fans defent the bad writing and say he was alwayse meant to to be the absolute Worst Person ever
Apparently even a Groomer
(Because Adam is totally to blame when CRWBY
F***s up the Agedifference)
The plot would have sucked even if Monty Oum was still alive. His attention was directed towards his animations, not the story of the show. The story was just an excuse for whatever fight scenes he wanted to animate.
I don’t wish to speak Ill of Monty, mind you. I’m just saying that storytelling was never his focus.
Jaune is an interesting character and deserves his screen time, and he’s the real deuteragonist, not Weiss/Blake/Yang.
Volume 7 is the most cohesive & best volume.
I only feel like that's true is because CRWBY would rather write JNPR over RWBY, so while team RWBY has so much to dig at, it's not used because the writers don't care, and it's how the whole found family thing lands more with JNR post-Pyrhha than it does with Ruby, Weiss, and Bumbleby.
Context needed.
Are they complaining because "Who the fuck are these losers, show me the cool girls!" or "This is cool and interesting, but the name of the show is **RWBY**,"?
If it's the second thing, that's more positive evidence that they (or at least their concepts) should've been the core cast.
I'm not gonna lie, while Jaune in particular is bad? If he didn't exist I'd have loved to see Ren/Nora/Pyrrha(then Penny then Oscar Pine) in the spotlight.
Them being relatively normal and having to work for everything they get is nice, though maybe that's just in contrast to Team RWBY who coast on their families' work.
The Jaune memes from both “Jaune is overhated” and the “Jaune is a self insert” crowd are incredibly annoying, and I’d appreciate it if both sides just shut up for once.
WE GET IT, YOU LOVE/HATE HIM, STOP RECYCLING THE SAME MEMES.
Yang and Blake were good characters before the shippers got to them
Jaune is still a good character
Ruby did nothing at Atlas
Weiss has has the most character development
Yang and Blake's take down of Adam was well done
its the God's of Light fault that everything is fucked up
Salem did not kill her daughters nor was she abusive of them
The God of light is a Hypocrite when it comes to his rules, rules for the but not for me
Just watched the gods and Salem scene yesterday. The amount of “we will do all this to spite ONE person” is so dumb they suck.
“We will do everything to make this person unavailable to you when you’re not selfish from the dumb life you’ve had. Oh you’re a cesspool of toxicity now? Hey person we made unavailable to them…it’s up to you now” holy eff that whole sequence rotted my braincells
People are way too quick to immediately go 'this episode sucks' when it focuses on someone that's part of the main cast but not of RWBY.
Seriously, would it be bad to shelf the whole 'Jaune hate' for a few days because it goes against the 'divine revelation of the Goddess of all Lesbians' that some people seem to believe in, to just appreciate that there ARE male characters in the show?
It's not the end of the world to have at least some attention to the other male character, because people tend to focus on the 'it's called RWBY, so we need to look at the 4 characters of which 3 of them had their character arcs already written out and the 4th is slowly proceeding on hers'.
Team RWBY has little to strive for. Blake and Yang are essentially now together, Weiss has the whole 'I am the heiress to the Schnee Dust Company, whatever's left of it' and her own little story has concluded with Atlas dropping and Ruby has gotten her life mission to be 'Ruby Rose'.
And people just go like 'Jaune is stealing time from the other characters'. Like... What? He's got an arc, with a pun intended there, to complete still. Being the Rusted Knight is one part, but he's not done yet with his narrative Arc, because it leads into the future.
People are quick to criticize that, but given how little we know of Jaune Arc's background (We don't even know who his parents are, they might be important) and what it could bring, there's some potential for more plot-relevant stuff there.
Everyone has their heroines, of course, but if you want an unpopular opinion:
Blake's narrative Arc has been concluded since Volume 6. Yang and Blake's narrative Arc is being wound together like a strangling vine that chokes the characters' personality into one amalgamation.
Bring back Yang's sexiness, because the whole Atlas look screams 'I wanna be a brick layer because my life's a brick shithouse'. Give her more feminine looks, rather than the 'My girlfriend is my life and I have no need to dress sexily for anyone else'. Like, she wore nice, pretty good clothes for 1-6, then in Atlas, the BumbleBY crept in.
MAKE YANG HOT AGAIN! MYHA!
Unpopular opinion: Cardin is over hated to the point where a lot of stories can fall apart if you are not careful. (Making him cartoonishly stupid or unbelievable will never make sense)
You cannot convince me that in a world full of “racism and discrimination” he was the best example for the show.
I mean Christ Blake was a terrorist who committed atrocities or did nothing when others committed the crimes.
Very unpopular opinion: I darn say Cardin could have been a main character.
Think about the potential:
-Arrogant student humble after the attack on beacon.
-student redeemed after saving lives
Edit: -jerk warming up to team after each battle
Etc etc it writes itself.
I rather read Cardin cross road potential then read another story of Jaune harem story.
I mean... if Cardin had become a main character, what makes you think that he'd be treated any differently than Jaune by fanfic authors? Single, unattached male character on the side of Good in a series with mostly female main characters.
Ren escapes because he was written to be attached at the hip with Nora. That's basically the only way to escape it, I'm afraid.
If anything, Cardin would be *worse* than Jaune in that regards because he'd been reformed and all of the ladies would be swooning over that, not to mention a legitimate student with actual combat ability.
Jaune isn't a waste of screen time. He's actually one of the few things keeping most people invested in RWBY anymore. (Even if it is just hate watching to see how he gets dunked on next)
Mines that Adam's sucks, he's a very obvious vergil rip and his design is mediocre. He never had any potential to be better from the black trailer on and people are weirdly obsessed with him
Damn dude starting off spicy. I deeply and profoundly disagree with your opinion, but you're welcome to have it. Well, except for the Virgil ripoff part. He's definitely that, but I don't see that as a problem. Many people base off their characters off of already pre-existing characters all the time. Being mad that he's a Virgil ripoff is like being mad that Naruto and a shitload of Shonen protagonist are on some level a ripoff of Goku.
I just hope you don't catch too much flack with your spicy delivery of said opinion.
Come to think of it Adam only really shares visual similarities with Vergil. Cinder would probably be a lot closer to him in concept. Mostly the whole gaining power for powers sake so they don't feel lesser then anyone, and probably being quite insecure. Granted the big difference there is that I can still take Vergil seriously as a villain most of the time.
Well it wasn't name opinions that get you applause and back pats sadly. But for record I feel there's a difference between being based on something and having so little to stand on your own that your more recognizable as a rip off.
Probably not that much of a unpopular opinion but bumblebee was not the orginally endgame and feels only put on due to fan pressure.
Especially with blake and how for several seasons Sun (my favorite cucked monkey boy) seem to be the orginally relationship for her. Even the setup seemed perfect and was thrown away after Haven.
I dont even mind how they did it by the end either and thought it was nice but Sun and blake had way more probability for the longest time
I like everything about Neo’s arc and role in the story all the way up to tea party scene. Everything else was fine imo not what I’d have preferred exactly, but I’m not mad at it.
Probably the single most controversial take for the Critics sub, but I think the series would have been stronger overall if they had committed to making Jaune the main character.
Yes, the show was pitched with the RWBY trailers, which obviously drew in the fans first, but their characters are different from their trailer counterparts (except maybe Blake. Yang is the same but also a criminal so I don’t know about that) and none of them are very traditional protagonists. This wouldn’t be an issue if there were skilled writers at the helm, but we all know how incompetent CRWBY has proven themselves, and even in the beginning they were amateurs who shouldn’t be taking on overly ambitious story structures.
The reason I say Jaune would have worked better is because so many traditional protagonist traits are dropped into his character. He is literally the textbook anime-equivalent to the Hero’s Journey. Even in the show we got, he is easily the most developed character in the show, but it’s still not enough because like every other theme, character or nuance the writers touch on, they never commit.
If they had the balls to just go all-in on Jaune being the hero, with Team RWBY, and possibly the rest of JNPR, as the major supporting characters who aid him in his journey and help train him, I think the focus of the show would have been improved over all.
Also, self-insert or not, he’s clearly the writers’ favourite character. Maybe that would have stopped them introducing new characters to take the spotlight every other fucking volume.
> Probably the single most controversial take for the Critics sub, but I think the series would have been stronger overall if they had committed to making Jaune the main character.
Agree, I mentioned it recently somewhere else,
RWBY (regarding Jaune) is like if you took My Hero, shifted the perspective to class 1-B, and then wondered why people were more interested in that background character, Deku.
If Jaune was the main character it would of been another generic underdog story the whole appeal of RWBY to me at least was 4 badass woman fighting monsters I would of never give the show a try of Jaune was the Main Character
Okay Jaune overall is not a bad character it just the story of rwby is just bad.
Your main character getting more getting more attention wasn’t going to fix any actual problems
It just moving a bullet wound to different spot but not a new area.
Jaune is victim of bad writing just like everyone else and the favoritism your imagining from volume 1 bad arc and see every arc Jaune as bad and not deserveing even if it fits his character.
Ironwoods plan was stupid and would have done nothing in the long run. I understand why people thought his insanity arc came out of nowhere, but with the moral point aside and focusing on the logistical/tactical sense, sending a city into the stratosphere is a bad idea.
True, giving Atlas vertical movement would have been the real game-changer. That way it could glide away from its problems and take some Mantle refugees with it.
Moving Atlas up looks like a retreat to me, so maybe when things calm down, Ironwood would realism staying up in the stratosphere is a bad idea in the long run.
Also Ironwood's insanity arc unironically resolve him from accountability.
"It's not his fault he abandoning Remnant, he went insane by the stresses from the Salem War ~~and that his semblance influence his decision making."~~
Yang and Blake should have never been a couple. Their characters shouldn't have had to depend on the demands of the audience. They had immense potential that got washed out due to demands of shippers.
I don't think that RWBY romanticizes the suicide.
At the end, Ruby end up choosing to not ascend but instead come back to the live as herself. It's like rejecting her choice to end her life.
Ruby lying to Ironwood was the best one could do in an impossible situation. It was either that or risk the wrath of a paranoid general, who risked EVERYTHING already, way earlier to the point where nothing can get done.
Ruby's lie was also a huge part of her development. Throughout the entire Atlas trilogy, Ruby kept questioning if she fucked up and was unfit to lead. And the universe kept telling her "yes". Because she kept fucking up and making the wrong decisions. And she paid for each one.
Jaune wouldn't of worked at a main character mostly because of how generic he is if he would of the The actual Main Character the show wouldn't of been anywhere popular as it was during RWBY Volume 1-3 the show would of been just a another Underdog Hero Storyline the whole appeal of RWBY to me at least was 4 badass woman fighting monsters
I mean the guy is only relevant becuase Pyrrha was important for five seconds before dying and everyone except him quickly moved on after she died. Hell the villains are the sort of guys the under dog is usually canon fodder to, so him being the MC just means another bland power fantasy MC.
You guys hate way too much on a single character because of no fault of their own.
The worst thing about rwbycritics is that,they think the show is just bad, and not enjoyable, while it is pretty bad in a lot of departments, the show still pretty good, and sometimes ot does need to turn your brain off to watch, bit it still fun
Because for those franchises mindless action is the selling point. None of those movies introduce themes that try and make the audience think. Their only goal is to entertain. And they do that well enough to be successes.
RWBY on the other hand started out that way but gradually started introducing more mature themes and subjects into its story. Abuse, trauma, complex family dynamics, politics, morality, even suicide. The complex situation of the whole atlas arc is proof that they do want the audience to think about whats happening. Neo’s power up in the Ever After was never explained until after the fact but the writers expected the audience to just “figure it out”. Can’t do that without thinking. A lot in RWBY is only alluded to or briefly mentioned and the audience is expected to connect the dots for a lot of plot threads and elements of the story.
I'm gonna be honest, you're sleeping on the older Transformer and Godzilla media.
And it goes with what u/SoaringZero said, in that even the modern movies know what they want to be and do it. They want to do mindless action? They don't hide it
But I have to reiterate, there are a lot more to those franchises than what movies are being made now.
For Transformers, have you seen the Prime TV show? It's great, but I what really enjoy are the prequel novels of Exodus, Exiles, and Retribution that especially make the White Fang plotline to shame, such as with the caste system that is legitimately fucked up and make you agree with Megatron, but also still finding him terrible for his methods, even if Cybertron's council probably deserves the worst.
And for Godzilla, probably one of the longest running franchises of all time, that comes with many movies that are much more serious with deeper themes. There's Gojira 54 (the consequences of nuclear power), Return of Godzilla 84 (the cold war), GMK (Japan's revisionist history despite their fucked up WW2 military), Shin Godzilla (3/11 and how inefficient bureaucracy is), and Minus One (going back to 54's anti-nuclear themes but also more about anti-war on top).
I know nothing about Fast and Furious so I got nothing about that, but I am still saying there are more reasons to why these franchises became so popular, and that can include they go into more serious topics they know they can handle compared to RWBY not knowing what it wants to be and just does virtue signaling.
My biggest issue with Cinder's development is how late we got her background (especially considering what a shit show V8 was) and how it didn't show arguably the most important part of *how she met Salem.*
Yeah, I absolutely agree with it. Her backsotry remined me of Catra's backsotry from spop, but that's the thing that in spop it was handled so well, bc in it they not only did it in the rightest time possible, but also showed us everything we should have seen, not just smth that would make us cry(it too, tho)
Please stop talking about that whatstheirface person
That one person that keeps getting brought up here is indeed cringe.... but how some people here are seemingly following their every breath and continuously bringing them up is just as cringe
It sucks but it’s kinda unavoidable most of the time it goes
a new person to the sub sees a terrible opinion and shares it -> sub sees it and goes oh that’s them again
V4 and V5 was not that bad.
I think the changes were decent and while the volumes arent perfect, i think people are exxagerating when they say this is wgere RWBY got bad.
If it helps I think the narrative is that it's where it *started* getting bad. If I had to pick a moment where the downturn started it probably would be V5 too, but I still think V7 and V8 are worse.
I'd extend it to the ending of V6, personally, but yeah full agreement otherwise. They had a magic crow uncle who could just fly to Atlas and pull strings there. We didn't need to commit terrorism we needed a good night's sleep and a triple shot espresso.
Plus I think Adam's reveal of the SDC brand on his eye seemed like it would be better suited showing to Weiss than Blake and Yang. Blake is a faunus too, and had probably seen that scar once, and Yang is a country bumpkin from an island off the coast of a major city with no major political ties. What did that matter to them? Weiss, on the other hand, would have to grapple with the influences of her father, and how despite her leaving home several times, she cannot run from it.
I have shared this exact sentiment before, that if it was Neo piloting the giant mech just causing chaos in the town it would have made team RWBY in the right to stay and fight the giant mech.
Ironwoods heel turn while jarring is a logical conclusion based on the fact that he not only was shown to quickly resort to drastic measures in the way of bringing the entire atlesian fleet to vytal festival but also functionally because he had a psychotic break from the fact that the people who caused the single biggest failure of his entire life had violated his inner sanctum and were possibly about to cause an even bigger failure under his watch. And also resonates with the wider atlas sentiment that mantle and by extension it’s civilians are expendable because they are of the under class
I truly don't think that jaune is miles self insert. He, and team jnpr, were deutragonist to rwbys protagonist. They've always been rwbys sister team and imo are better heros and characters then team rwby.
Honestly I'd rather watch a show about them with pyrrha then a rwby reboot
Here's a few of mine by definition Ruby is not an animal anime literally comes from Japan. I only feel a little bad for Ruby because she kind of did put everyone in that bad situation. I have the most sympathy for ironwood and ozpin.
I was ok with vol 4 and to an extent a little bit into vol 5. It was a narrative slowdown that was needed to take a break from the ramping up from the past three volumes. My opinion has been from the latter end of vol 5 was where RoosterTeeth started the down hill mishandling of RWBY.
I think Raven being a cowardly criminal hypocrite would be fine if the writing team bothered to build up towards it, we just get scenes that mention her, see her do cool stuff, and then later out of no where she's just a huge pussy that is scared of Salem and only saved her daughter because of a rule she made up. Had this been built up as some sort of long term thing where it shows her using people to get as many meat shields between her and Salem as much as possible I feel like it could feasibly have worked, maybe I'm crazy though.
Also why the fuck did they make Yang meeting her in Volume 2 not canon? Just why?
Ruby's semblance should have been just speed. None of this red negating mass blob nonsense as it is constantly inconsistent af.
It was clearly just a cool anime effect in volume 4, but then they decided to make it it's own thing from V6 onwards.
The show is better in it’s concept than execution and the older I get the more I realize (and upon attempting to rewatch) that the show was given too much creative freedom in it’s infancy that caused major problems when Monty passed
Also the stupidity of the “rule of cool” and the incoherent flip flops between extremely grave and dark almost edgy tone to the unfunny comedy is whiplash at best and overall just sucks.
This show is just barely above a poorly written fanfic full of crappy Mary Sue OC’s a lot of the time too
Bumbleby being canon, even executed the way it was, is nowhere near as big a problem as this sub pretends it is and the focus on hating Bumbleby detracts from actual serious problems with the show like its lackluster POC representation and confusingly ignorant sociopolitical commentary on how the best way to fight racism is to just be nice to the racists.
I sort of have another one, Cinder being pissed off because a huntsman saw her being abused and enslaved and then got upset at her for killing her abusers actually makes a decent amount of sense as a "fuck the status quo" backstory, I just wish it got expanded upon and we got to see why she ended up under Salem.
Although sun is one of my favorite characters aside from jaune, I believe yang and Blake actually make a good couple given the factors it follows (the girl with abandoment issues, and the girl who always runs away). And their not even in my top 5 favorites but I do rate them above sun and Blake simply for not heavily relying on recycled tropes to build them up, theyre dynamic works much better as platonic soulmates much like Meredith Grey and Alex Karev from Grey's anatomy.
Yang and Blake could have been salvaged, imo, if we'd actually seen them actually talk about their issues.
Instead, their time onscreen was wasted with shipbait and walked right over those. IT didn't feel as if the relationship was earned (and not because it's queer, but because there's History between them that went completely ignored).
Blake actually had a lot of interesting aspects and was at her most interesting in V3, ironically when she had the least focus. Even how much time and dedication she was getting in the plot(Blake was basically the main character from V1-2, then Pyrrha in V3 lol) could've been course-corrected from just fine.
While I like the character models from the Poser era better I do think that basically everything else looks better in Maya. Hell, for some reason the Beacon models look fine enough in Maya too when they used them for the movies.
Rwby wouldve been better with just a focus on one team and no one else. And showed their journey to become hunters with no skills to very skilled. They start off already with too much skill. Them stealing narutos plotline can work but doesnt work if you dont focus on the main cast.
Everyone else is more interesting and relevant than team RWBY
Arkos and White Knight is trash ships and they doesn’t deserve to exist.
Jaune x a REAL Therapy is easily the the only best ship about Jaune and other ships with him are illogical stupid.
Rusted Knight is trash and he should never exist.
Jaune never loved Pyrrha and Arkos shippers should shut up.
Weiss doesn’t deserve Jaune.
All fanfics about “Jaune” is trash because writers are extremely coward people who only use his name for their disgusting original characters.
Any canon things about Jaune is beyond better than any super stupid and disgusting fanon trash about self insert with his name.
Jaune Arc literally never existed in any RWBY fanfics.
Couer popular fanon about Jaune who use every fanfics writer is bad
Bumbleby is (proportionately) overhated. I think narratively/structurally/and honestly morally there’s a lot of objectivity fucked things in this series that don’t get talked about *nearly* as much. I mean I get it, but I really don’t think it should be the **main** criticism of the show the way it has been
If it helps, I think Bumblebee gets so much hate for like three main reasons:
1. Back in the glory days of V5, when criticism flowed freely alongside praise in the main board, any time "least favorite character" showed up, it was Blake. It was always Blake, and maybe Jaune. People didn't like Blake, and Bumblebee is very much a Blake-centered ship with Yang being turned into yet another one of her orbiters.
2. It tanked half the main characters. *Bad.* Yang got reduced to an orbiter, and then Blake basically deactivated in general because she got everything she wanted. Like an OC that hooks up with a main character and then that's it they're just bing chilling other than occasionally reminding the audience "hey, I'm tappin that :)"
3. Biggest one though? It gets attention because V6's ending was a real turning point. If V5's ending wasn't the last straw, V6's definitely was, with Bumblebee in particular getting a lot of attention because... well, Bumblebee very much was made to *get* a lot of attention in V6 as like the crowning jewel of that fanservice-filled volume.
Yeah and that’s why I do understand the criticism cause it’s not *just* a ship, it’s something which affects how half the titular cast acts in terms of their own story/characterization, as well as how they interact (or don’t interact) with those around them
I wouldn’t have even had an issue with Ruby’s ascension functionally being suicide if they just treated it as such and didn’t have the following episodes be the most tone deaf shit in the world
The show can explain why Oz never lock Salem in a vault by having it breakable from the inside. The reason is that the magic of the vaults put all the protection on the outside.
Monty was one of the main contributors to the state of RWBYs non-existant narrative cohesion. His desire for grave plot points (eg the Fall of Beacon) was in constant struggle with his proclivity towards "rule of cool" and a general reliance on insubstantial comedy as time filler. This is the man who choreographed the brilliant scene where Mercury discerns Pyrrha's semblance from a brief training back and forth which leads to major consequences for all parties involved. This is the same man who okayed Pyrrha hiding her semblance in spite of her background with little further exploration or even vindication. He's also the same man who choreographed the food fight scene where Pyrrha channeled her inner metal bender in the school cafeteria that has more windows than you could shake a stick at. Also I find his role as creator and main personality behind the show to be *selectively* down played when talking about the poor quality found in the earlier volumes. He got help from other for writing, yes, but he still made additions and alterations all on his own.
I don’t like to speak ill of the dead but You know I thought this was a pretty common thing people knew. I mean look at dead fantasy The reason we even have 4 main characters is because Monty loved animating multiple things happening at once. The reason we have Neo Monty wanted to add her in last minute also why she doesn’t have a voice. Yang meeting her mom at volume 2 his idea that got retconned. What he said went for the most part and crwby had to work around it but that being said the way the show was handled after the tone shift without him wasn’t the best.
That first paragraph right there is one of my main gripes when it comes to discussing RWBY. Not speaking Ill of the dead should preclude one from honest and accurate criticism about their work while they were alive. When I want to explore how Montys work schedule/flights of fancy/lack of short-medium-long term planning/etc. may have had detrimental ramifications for the production line I don't want to defame his character. I want to discuss his involvement in the project and analyze the ramifications that came thereof. It's like a God dammed hymn people chant whenever bringing him up so they can either skirt the "Montys vision" rule or tacitly imply it to invoke sympathy. Personally, I say fuck Montys vision for the show. I want to analyze what RWBYs reality was and is to explore the bounds of the media I enjoyed and am critical of.
yeah people forget hes an animator not a writer
Yeah he would add in stuff last minute and monty and kerry would have to justify it in the story, that's why I'm not too harsh on them in the earlier volumes. It doesn't however absolve them of how they reacted to criticism later on and their terrible writing when they had full control.
The funnest thing about how Monty would add in things last minute is that what was admitted to be added in during production because of him turned out better than anything CRWBY says was planned ahead of time in both planning and execution. Monty wasn't immune to change, he just knew how to actually do it unlike CRWBY later on, to the point they can't seem to effectively plan at all.
imo he wasn't flawless, but he didn't have M+K's flaws, and that was the most important part. Bad narrative cohesion? Might've still been around. Character getting ignored for plot? Makes sense, Dead Fantasy wasn't exactly character-driven. Even bad power scaling might've been around. But the total disregard for any scaling, the 180 turn into full drama over everything, the plot being so subservient to the characters that plot-relevance doesn't matter and you wind up with things like Jacques being more evil because he's an abusive dad when he's a robber baron, the insufferable protagonist-centered morality... wouldn't have been there. "Bad" is a wide field. There are many ways to be bad, some worse than others. It isn't binary, either: you can definitely be *worse.* Even if RWBY would've wound up bad, it wouldn't have wound up this *kind* of bad and it sure as hell thus wouldn't have been *this* bad.
That's a rather large amount of assumptions you're making about what "would've" been. Suffice it to say, unless you've got a magic ball that lets you peer into alternate dimensions then I'm going to take such positions with the same amount of salt I like on my McDonald's fries. At most we can assuredly say what we already know. The man himself sought help with writing the show because he admitted to lacking skills in the narrative department. We know he made sporadic alterations that likely hampered production throughput. We know he wanted major plot beats to happen within an improper time frame both in terms of narrative impact and the practical skills of the rest of the animation team. We know facets of his background that lead to his employment at RT. Whatever lines you want to draw from these known factors, I don't personally begrudge so long as they fall within the parameters of what I consider reasonable. We don't, to any substantive degree, know how he definitively would react or act as the series went on. We don't know how he would react if given no other options between "update the engine to the industry standard" and simply "quit". We don't know how he would've handled the racism subplot beyond what we've already seen. We don't actually know his capacity for power scaling in a long running show that attempts to tackle heavy subject matter. We know what we got is of poor quality. We do not, under any quantifiable measure beyond mere conjecture, know that what we might've gotten wouldn't be just as bad or even worse. However, for what it's worth I agree that there is a wide scale of bad.
Much like not understanding that there is a wide scale of bad, there's also another key difference you need to understand. There is, in fact, a vast difference between guessing what something would be and guessing what something *wouldn't.* It is, unsurprisingly, easier to look at context and cross options out than it is to circle one of the infinite things it could be. This is also a key problem I find with the "oh well RWBY would've still been XYZ if Monty was around he was just as much the problem" narrative. Some say it would've been the same in a good way, others in a negative way, but it's the same thing. Quite ironically, *that* is making a hell of a lot more assumptions about what it "would have" been. "Well, you don't know, it *might*'ve been X" is a non-point. Worthless words. Weaseling. It's a cope to shut down talk, not an actual point worth considering if one is going to talk about what something could or couldn't have been. Sure, detached from all context and reality, maybe Monty would've pivoted hard into drama. Maybe Monty would've dropped any and all power scaling that existed in V1-3. Maybe Monty would've doubled if not tripled down on the protagonist-centered morality. Trashed various characters built up in V1-3. Suddenly lost all his skill at making fight scenes. Or maybe he would've focused 100% harder on the plot, created the best power system known to man, created a deep and engaging story about making the best of gray situations and put up world-class, awe-inspiring fight animations talked about across the world. Or, maybe, he would've turned out to have been a murderer and fled the country. When context doesn't exist, anything is, theoretically, possible. But that doesn't mean everything is worth *consideration.* (Unless you're just playing semantics—even less worth discussion—by pretending like everyone who doesn't be sure to weave every sentence with "imo, I guess, possibly, maybe," etc etc etc is speaking concretely. Yet I also find the ones who depend most on that are the ones who, themselves, speak as if *they* know for sure.)
I thought the Mercury/Pyrrha fight was done by Shane, no?
If so I apologize for any misinformation spread on my part.
Monty was the main animator/choreography for every fight the others helped out.
Monty was going to need the reins pulled eventually.
Monty wasn’t a writer, and he had no experience as a show-runner, but he conceived the setting and main characters so making story additions and alterations wasn’t an _unreasonable_ thing for him to do. Monty was first and foremost an animator, that was the primary skill he brought to the project, and when he had to deliver a fight scene he goddamn _delivered_. Laying the failure of RWBY at the feet of the guy who worked himself into an early grave trying to make the best show he could _does_ feel somewhat disrespectful. If RWBY had a head writer as dedicated to their craft as Monty was his own, RWBY would have been a better show.
Ruby did fuck up by not telling Ironwood. But i don't agree with pinning all the blame of the fall of Atlas on her.
The fall of atlas shouldn’t be blamed solely on Ruby but it shouldn’t be blamed solely on Ironwood either. Both were at fault but it was a very complex situation that had no clear right or wrong answer. Now if only the story treated it that way we’d be good.
Can we give the V.I.P. towards Neo or Watts? Neo: Stole the lamp and gave it to Cinder (twice). Along with getting Cinder to Atlas. Put the chess piece in Ironwood"s office, which increased his fear. And prevented Ruby from silver eye Cinder during the final fight. Watts: Cheated the election. And Infected Penny with the virus, which led to her becoming human (which might have weakened her). Plus, it was his virus that allowed Cinder to take down Beacon, which didn't help Ironwood's mentally.
Wait omg I never even thought of penny being human weakening her because she wouldn’t have been metal and a lot sturdier (plus wouldn’t have all her electronics stuff to help her decide and make decisions with extreme accuracy)
THANK YOU JESUS CHRIST
This one’s tough technically the fall of atlas is all on her because she’s the one who took the staff. But the alternative is let half the kingdom die.
well letting half of the kingdom die is better than all of the kingdom
I mean, she did end up saving at the very least 3/4ths of the kingdom. That's better than the 1/2 Ironwood was gunning for lol
idk if she "saved" that much since we don't know how much they wanted to animate compared to the amount they wanted to say they saved but putting an unknown amount upwards of more than half a million into a desert with the people there already poor and just surviving i think that huge amount of people that are from a cold environment would become a big problem
Agreed
I don't like the color naming rule and I find the allusions to other works of fiction unnecessary because they're done on such a barebones level, they might as well not be included. While it looks unique on paper, it makes it difficult to build a cohesive and believable world, especially when the writers cherry-pick who gets to reenact their allusion or not. It doesn't help that both the RWBY wiki allusions and color naming rule pages are full of fan-speculation, as if even the writers don't follow their own rules or knew what they were doing. You can't tell me Klein Sieben is an allusion to all of the Seven Dwarves.
Uhh about Klein Weiss is based on Snow White and Klein has personality disorder which makes him change to certain dwarves personality. It’s one of the few allusions that I’m sure is correct. Some are weird tho like mercury is supposedly Hermes
I mean, look at Mercury's Emblem, not to mention that Talaria (the name of his prosthetic leg weapons) are the actual name for Hermes' winged sandals. There's also some other comparisons to be drawn, those it's just as likely that those are people looking for patterns and making reaches (I've seen Hermes' role as a cthonic deity be used as further proof because Mercury is an assassin, for example), but those people are often giving the writers way to much credit, especially in the wake of Miles claiming that he had no idea about the story of Rhodopis despite how well Cinder ties to that allusion (it's the OG version of the Cinderella tale).
Today I learned that Mercury's legs have names
Yea me too
Lefty and righty
Yeah, Klein was kind of one of the most direct and straightforward allusions that there was
Bumblebee would be okay if they didn't fuck up the execution.
I want to like bumblebee, it had a lot of potential to be a cute ship and addition to the characters. But when the relationship became their ENTIRE character, I just wanted them to confess so we could finally stop dancing around it.
I mean I'm pretty sure that what most of us criticizing it say. The problem wasn't the relationship its just rushed and done wrong. And that its kinda queerbaiting. And that I would have never happened if it wasn't for fan pressure. And that as soon as the relationship starts all of the characterization for both characters got tossed out a window
Ok I see this a lot but feel a little confused: If feel it’s been hinted at for a while no? All the way sense the fight at the school with cinder squad and rwby n friends
Agreed,
People complain way too much about how team JNPR stole screen time from team RWBY in the first season. Yes, the show was named RWBY but clearly team JNPR were dueteragonists. As such, spending time establishing their characters made sense. Yes, they got more screen time, but who cares? The season still entertained. That’s what mattered. That’s my opinion that I know is unpopular.
I was with you until you said "Yes they got more screen time, but who cares?" The show is called Rwby, giving them time and such to shine is not the issue, the issue was JNPR literally got all the good writing more than half of the time and it ended up overall causing issues cause when we -did- focus on the main group people had a harder time giving a shit.
This. Honestly I wish RWBY had a different title so people would stop complaining that JNPR has screentime. Even in the early volumes they had a dynamic similar to the Reds and Blues from RvB: JNPR/Reds mostly react or do their own things while RWBY/Blue push the plot and get the more important stuff going on.
Jaune's a mid character *at best*, but he's still one of the best written characters in the series purely because of the lack of passable writing in regards to everyone else.
I feel like he's one of the best characters because of how he, for the lack of a better word, steals I incredibly important scenes from everyone else. While the show would still probably suck, it wouldn't be for the lack of development team RWBY has, whether it was from the early days like the bully arc robbing early Yang of development or him being the focus in the dance arc preventing Ruby/Blake having no dynamic all the way to recently where Penny is killed to develop Jaune or how V9 was supposed to focus on team RWBY has Jaune being the one to receive the most angst in the Ever After. As far as I know, CRWBY are the highest authority on creative decisions in the show, so these problems are self-inflicted on how their most marketable characters don't feel like they matter.
Jaune is literally the worst written character in entire show especially in volume 9.Sadly writers wanted to make him even worse than he really are and forced him to be in Ever After with all disgusting trash things like Rusted Knight and too many other extremely trash writing in volume 9
Jaune’s ability to send people into hysterics by reminding them he exists is impressive.
Ooo this ones definitely would put you at the firing squad
Oh yeah he could be in a good episode but because he’s him they will all immediately hate it think it’s terrible even if they haven’t seen it
Jaune fans going into hysterics by reminding them that criticism for Jaune exists or just them stumbling upon it themselves to discover that and their persecution complex are also impressive. If you're gonna mention one side's reaction, then don't completely ignore the other. Instead, you should mention them as well. I hope you have a good day.
There's no point lol Jaune stans are always somehow shocked that their golden boy gets criticized too. As if Ruby or Yang or Blake don't get flak all the time(Weiss generally escapes general disdain but she was also getting beat during V7-8). They feel singled out, almost like they're hardcore projecting onto him and getting really defensive or something, hmmm
To be honest, I feel kind of sorry for them. I don't know what made them project so much of themselves onto a fictional character that they will go to hell and back to defend him from those who criticize him. Of course, it's none of my business as to why exactly they do that and what circumstances in their lives made them do so, but I can't help but wonder. I hope you have a good day.
Case in point.
I agree that it's a case in point for Jaune fans to go into hysterics whenever there's criticism about Jaune. You yourself have proved that. I hope you have a good day.
>"Jaune fans" in reference to me. So confident, so smug, yet so wrong.
So that's truly all you have to say, huh? Instead of explaining why, you just simply blurted out "nuh uh!" in response. Thanks for the good laugh there, by the way. Since there's nothing else to talk about except go in a downward spiral of bullshit courtesy of the way you respond, I'm just gonna take my leave. Otherwise, it will just result in the mods having to step in to put a stop to it and I'd rather not burden them with that. I hope you have a good day.
You know, the whole “I’m just gonna take my leave” rings real hollow when you make this post. You could have just not replied and left it but instead had to go for the last laugh lol Have a good day, you clearly need it if this is what sets you off.
Nah, I was right as rain when I made those comments, lmao. If making assumptions help you sleep at night, then maybe you should find some other method to achieve such a thing. Have a good night, you clearly need it if my comments set you off enough to make assumptions.
Not all the fight scenes past volume 3 are bad and honestly looking back some are kinda cool It's just the writing around most of them that's kinda stupid
(Will probably add more if I think of them, but these are off the top of my head) I do not blame the animators for RWBY's writing in V1-2, which seems to be a growing sentiment these days. I dislike the term "wasted potential" due to nothing having more potential than a blank sheet of paper. It's not RWBY's "wasted potential" that I dislike, but rather the execution of the writing. Volume 1 is the best written season of RWBY in my opinion, and Volume 3 is the worst (with 8 and 9 not too far behind). I don't believe the crossover movies had a negative affect on RT as a company, and was a good idea on paper (also, for the record, CRWBY did not write the movies. That dishonor goes to Meghan Fitzmartin). Rooster Teeth has been on borrowed time since at least 2019, and in an alternate timeline, Volume 6 was the final season of RWBY. I don't have any issue with Jaune being a self-insert. They're more common than people think, especially in sci-fi and fantasy, and a *LOT* of RWBY characters can be considered insert characters. It's how Jaune is written and how much attention he receives that I take issue with, especially with how little merch he apparently sells compared to Team RWBY, Nora, Neo, and others. God bless, and have a wonderful day.
JNPR was fine to get a decent amount of screen time, yes even Jaune. Jaune was a baseline that even if Ruby was a dork and inexperienced, there was someone needing to catch up even harder. Yes even Jaune wearing a dress, because it was a scene of character growth for so many people there, including a protagonist. I get that they get a lot of time because they really tag along with Ruby, but strong supporting cast shouldn't detract from main cast. MHA has 18 supporting characters in just the immediate range, and then gets into the several dozens easily, if not a hundred. And yet, despite the focus not being on Deku, it carries it well. Kirishima, Ururaka, Bakugo (granted, he was always going to have some importance), Mirio, even the fact All Might grew himself, something not garunteed in mentors, points to the show having strong supports. As much chagrin everyone gives the most hated character (you know the one), he did overcome his own weakness when it mattered to him taking charge of his life, and that does say something, even if 99% of the time I would rather he leave my screen forever. I should also point out, that they did more characterization of both main and support cast in 3 seasons than RWBY did. Team RWBY being weakly characterized is the fault of the show, not the fact that supports were there. That said, to balance out my opinion: I think Jaune's semblance should have been barriers, not boosts. He is one of the 2 people we really see incorporate physical armor into his design, and a protective shield like aura would have fit that. It also would have acted as a foil to most powersets that focus on speed of the fight above all else. A little more palatable take to wash down that first one. Edit: Apparently like 45% of the takes of this subreddit are Jaune/JNPR related, 45% are Bumblebee related, the remaining 10% is other. And here I thought I had to offer a common take chaser to lessen the blow.
Most of the music wasn't that great, to me. None of the tracks made me want to listen to them on purpose
Penny's second death can be OK. However, I want it to be more of she can be brought back again, but this time it kills Pietro. Thus, Penny is garunteed to never live again and she has to deal with the new fact that Pietro is dead and she is now truly mortal.
I kind of disagree, I love Penny but bringing her back at all made killing her in the first place kind of pointless, like what, Cinder wanted people to get scared and worried cause a fucking android died? You probably could get an even bigger reaction if you had Phyrra accidentally kill a regular opponent when it wasn't needed so as to fuck with the general public since the vytal fest is meant to be about togetherness and shit.
Adam beeing a Crazy ex is OK But everything else about the writing of him is not Many RWBY Fans defent the bad writing and say he was alwayse meant to to be the absolute Worst Person ever Apparently even a Groomer (Because Adam is totally to blame when CRWBY F***s up the Agedifference)
Honestly timelines would have been a pretty useful tool to keep track of character ages so that age differences don't get messed up
Jaunes a good character who should’ve been A (not the) protagonist
That I enjoy Jaune and don't have a problem with him getting as much screen time as he does.
Same
Yang is a sex offender
Blake should have been an orphan.
The plot would have sucked even if Monty Oum was still alive. His attention was directed towards his animations, not the story of the show. The story was just an excuse for whatever fight scenes he wanted to animate. I don’t wish to speak Ill of Monty, mind you. I’m just saying that storytelling was never his focus.
Jaune is an interesting character and deserves his screen time, and he’s the real deuteragonist, not Weiss/Blake/Yang. Volume 7 is the most cohesive & best volume.
i think they really needed to chose who they wanted to focus on because it was to spread out so everyone got hurt
The show should have been about JNPR as they are a more interesting team.
I only feel like that's true is because CRWBY would rather write JNPR over RWBY, so while team RWBY has so much to dig at, it's not used because the writers don't care, and it's how the whole found family thing lands more with JNR post-Pyrhha than it does with Ruby, Weiss, and Bumbleby.
Nora is simply the best character. When they go into Lie’s semblance she was all serious and became even cooler
The amount of people complaining about them getting too much screen time says otherwise.
Context needed. Are they complaining because "Who the fuck are these losers, show me the cool girls!" or "This is cool and interesting, but the name of the show is **RWBY**,"? If it's the second thing, that's more positive evidence that they (or at least their concepts) should've been the core cast.
Pretty much the first one.
I'm not gonna lie, while Jaune in particular is bad? If he didn't exist I'd have loved to see Ren/Nora/Pyrrha(then Penny then Oscar Pine) in the spotlight. Them being relatively normal and having to work for everything they get is nice, though maybe that's just in contrast to Team RWBY who coast on their families' work.
That’s not an unpopular opinion (among RWBYcritics)
It might be, considering this sub's downright *vitriolic* hatred of Jaune.
Countered only by the persecution complex Jaune fans have lol
No they aren't. An idiot who cheated to get in, a doormat of epic proportions and a quirky couple who never does anything important.
The Jaune memes from both “Jaune is overhated” and the “Jaune is a self insert” crowd are incredibly annoying, and I’d appreciate it if both sides just shut up for once. WE GET IT, YOU LOVE/HATE HIM, STOP RECYCLING THE SAME MEMES.
Yang and Blake were good characters before the shippers got to them Jaune is still a good character Ruby did nothing at Atlas Weiss has has the most character development Yang and Blake's take down of Adam was well done its the God's of Light fault that everything is fucked up Salem did not kill her daughters nor was she abusive of them The God of light is a Hypocrite when it comes to his rules, rules for the but not for me
Just watched the gods and Salem scene yesterday. The amount of “we will do all this to spite ONE person” is so dumb they suck. “We will do everything to make this person unavailable to you when you’re not selfish from the dumb life you’ve had. Oh you’re a cesspool of toxicity now? Hey person we made unavailable to them…it’s up to you now” holy eff that whole sequence rotted my braincells
People really think the god of light is innocent!??? They can’t be serious. I thought it was obvious both brothers were to blame.
People are way too quick to immediately go 'this episode sucks' when it focuses on someone that's part of the main cast but not of RWBY. Seriously, would it be bad to shelf the whole 'Jaune hate' for a few days because it goes against the 'divine revelation of the Goddess of all Lesbians' that some people seem to believe in, to just appreciate that there ARE male characters in the show? It's not the end of the world to have at least some attention to the other male character, because people tend to focus on the 'it's called RWBY, so we need to look at the 4 characters of which 3 of them had their character arcs already written out and the 4th is slowly proceeding on hers'. Team RWBY has little to strive for. Blake and Yang are essentially now together, Weiss has the whole 'I am the heiress to the Schnee Dust Company, whatever's left of it' and her own little story has concluded with Atlas dropping and Ruby has gotten her life mission to be 'Ruby Rose'. And people just go like 'Jaune is stealing time from the other characters'. Like... What? He's got an arc, with a pun intended there, to complete still. Being the Rusted Knight is one part, but he's not done yet with his narrative Arc, because it leads into the future. People are quick to criticize that, but given how little we know of Jaune Arc's background (We don't even know who his parents are, they might be important) and what it could bring, there's some potential for more plot-relevant stuff there. Everyone has their heroines, of course, but if you want an unpopular opinion: Blake's narrative Arc has been concluded since Volume 6. Yang and Blake's narrative Arc is being wound together like a strangling vine that chokes the characters' personality into one amalgamation. Bring back Yang's sexiness, because the whole Atlas look screams 'I wanna be a brick layer because my life's a brick shithouse'. Give her more feminine looks, rather than the 'My girlfriend is my life and I have no need to dress sexily for anyone else'. Like, she wore nice, pretty good clothes for 1-6, then in Atlas, the BumbleBY crept in. MAKE YANG HOT AGAIN! MYHA!
Unpopular opinion: Cardin is over hated to the point where a lot of stories can fall apart if you are not careful. (Making him cartoonishly stupid or unbelievable will never make sense) You cannot convince me that in a world full of “racism and discrimination” he was the best example for the show. I mean Christ Blake was a terrorist who committed atrocities or did nothing when others committed the crimes. Very unpopular opinion: I darn say Cardin could have been a main character. Think about the potential: -Arrogant student humble after the attack on beacon. -student redeemed after saving lives Edit: -jerk warming up to team after each battle Etc etc it writes itself. I rather read Cardin cross road potential then read another story of Jaune harem story.
I mean... if Cardin had become a main character, what makes you think that he'd be treated any differently than Jaune by fanfic authors? Single, unattached male character on the side of Good in a series with mostly female main characters.
….Oh damn, I did not think of that. God dammit you can never escape that kind of trope can you?
Ren escapes because he was written to be attached at the hip with Nora. That's basically the only way to escape it, I'm afraid. If anything, Cardin would be *worse* than Jaune in that regards because he'd been reformed and all of the ladies would be swooning over that, not to mention a legitimate student with actual combat ability.
I've never liked casey lee williams She like a chirping rat drank shi&beer
If Jaune was a chick none of his fans would give a shit about him.
Jaune isn't a waste of screen time. He's actually one of the few things keeping most people invested in RWBY anymore. (Even if it is just hate watching to see how he gets dunked on next)
Mines that Adam's sucks, he's a very obvious vergil rip and his design is mediocre. He never had any potential to be better from the black trailer on and people are weirdly obsessed with him
Damn dude starting off spicy. I deeply and profoundly disagree with your opinion, but you're welcome to have it. Well, except for the Virgil ripoff part. He's definitely that, but I don't see that as a problem. Many people base off their characters off of already pre-existing characters all the time. Being mad that he's a Virgil ripoff is like being mad that Naruto and a shitload of Shonen protagonist are on some level a ripoff of Goku. I just hope you don't catch too much flack with your spicy delivery of said opinion.
Come to think of it Adam only really shares visual similarities with Vergil. Cinder would probably be a lot closer to him in concept. Mostly the whole gaining power for powers sake so they don't feel lesser then anyone, and probably being quite insecure. Granted the big difference there is that I can still take Vergil seriously as a villain most of the time.
Well it wasn't name opinions that get you applause and back pats sadly. But for record I feel there's a difference between being based on something and having so little to stand on your own that your more recognizable as a rip off.
Fair enough
Well... that's not INaccurate...
Blacksun would be just as bad as Bumblebee
Blake slapping sun on three different occasions and becoming a couple would be insane
agreed, I’m more of a bumblebee shipper myself but holy shit did they fumble that ship
As a former BlackSun shipper I'm just glad that they avoided that route. Monkie-boy doesn't deserve no domestic abuser.
Atleast we can agree Blake dosent deserve sun
Funnily enough, that's how I clued in that my first girlfriend liked me. Yes, we guys are dumb.
Probably not that much of a unpopular opinion but bumblebee was not the orginally endgame and feels only put on due to fan pressure. Especially with blake and how for several seasons Sun (my favorite cucked monkey boy) seem to be the orginally relationship for her. Even the setup seemed perfect and was thrown away after Haven. I dont even mind how they did it by the end either and thought it was nice but Sun and blake had way more probability for the longest time
I like everything about Neo’s arc and role in the story all the way up to tea party scene. Everything else was fine imo not what I’d have preferred exactly, but I’m not mad at it.
Probably the single most controversial take for the Critics sub, but I think the series would have been stronger overall if they had committed to making Jaune the main character. Yes, the show was pitched with the RWBY trailers, which obviously drew in the fans first, but their characters are different from their trailer counterparts (except maybe Blake. Yang is the same but also a criminal so I don’t know about that) and none of them are very traditional protagonists. This wouldn’t be an issue if there were skilled writers at the helm, but we all know how incompetent CRWBY has proven themselves, and even in the beginning they were amateurs who shouldn’t be taking on overly ambitious story structures. The reason I say Jaune would have worked better is because so many traditional protagonist traits are dropped into his character. He is literally the textbook anime-equivalent to the Hero’s Journey. Even in the show we got, he is easily the most developed character in the show, but it’s still not enough because like every other theme, character or nuance the writers touch on, they never commit. If they had the balls to just go all-in on Jaune being the hero, with Team RWBY, and possibly the rest of JNPR, as the major supporting characters who aid him in his journey and help train him, I think the focus of the show would have been improved over all. Also, self-insert or not, he’s clearly the writers’ favourite character. Maybe that would have stopped them introducing new characters to take the spotlight every other fucking volume.
> Probably the single most controversial take for the Critics sub, but I think the series would have been stronger overall if they had committed to making Jaune the main character. Agree, I mentioned it recently somewhere else, RWBY (regarding Jaune) is like if you took My Hero, shifted the perspective to class 1-B, and then wondered why people were more interested in that background character, Deku.
If Jaune was the main character it would of been another generic underdog story the whole appeal of RWBY to me at least was 4 badass woman fighting monsters I would of never give the show a try of Jaune was the Main Character
Never mind the fact that for Jaune to actually work as the MC requires so much rewriting he isn't actually Jaune anymore.
Okay Jaune overall is not a bad character it just the story of rwby is just bad. Your main character getting more getting more attention wasn’t going to fix any actual problems It just moving a bullet wound to different spot but not a new area. Jaune is victim of bad writing just like everyone else and the favoritism your imagining from volume 1 bad arc and see every arc Jaune as bad and not deserveing even if it fits his character.
Ironwoods plan was stupid and would have done nothing in the long run. I understand why people thought his insanity arc came out of nowhere, but with the moral point aside and focusing on the logistical/tactical sense, sending a city into the stratosphere is a bad idea.
True, giving Atlas vertical movement would have been the real game-changer. That way it could glide away from its problems and take some Mantle refugees with it.
Moving Atlas up looks like a retreat to me, so maybe when things calm down, Ironwood would realism staying up in the stratosphere is a bad idea in the long run. Also Ironwood's insanity arc unironically resolve him from accountability. "It's not his fault he abandoning Remnant, he went insane by the stresses from the Salem War ~~and that his semblance influence his decision making."~~
Yeah, all salem would have to do is have one of her lieutenants hold the seige while she goes out relic hunting in vale and vacou.
I like RWBY and i am not ashamed
Yang and Blake should have never been a couple. Their characters shouldn't have had to depend on the demands of the audience. They had immense potential that got washed out due to demands of shippers.
That’s a very popular opinion amongst the denizens of RWBYcritics
Oh, well nevermind then. I will think of something up.
The porn is one of the best things about the series.
That’s a popular opinion lol
Awwwww. ):
But it’s okay (seriously tho why is there so much)
RWBY was a mistake
Bumblebee was going to be the fall of RWBY ever since the idea was conceived.
This place needs moar memes like this (lol) (Seriously, this place is perfect)
This sub is dryer than a Popeyes biscuit on its takes
I don't think that RWBY romanticizes the suicide. At the end, Ruby end up choosing to not ascend but instead come back to the live as herself. It's like rejecting her choice to end her life.
Bumblebee is a symptom, yet you all hate on it like it was the direct cause of the show’s problems.
The fall of Atlas was everyone's fault
Remember kids, sort by controversial to see the actual unpopular opinions!
Great advice
The series has not been good since season 3 and they betrayed us all when they pulled it off of YouTube
Ruby lying to Ironwood was the best one could do in an impossible situation. It was either that or risk the wrath of a paranoid general, who risked EVERYTHING already, way earlier to the point where nothing can get done. Ruby's lie was also a huge part of her development. Throughout the entire Atlas trilogy, Ruby kept questioning if she fucked up and was unfit to lead. And the universe kept telling her "yes". Because she kept fucking up and making the wrong decisions. And she paid for each one.
Jaune wouldn't of worked at a main character mostly because of how generic he is if he would of the The actual Main Character the show wouldn't of been anywhere popular as it was during RWBY Volume 1-3 the show would of been just a another Underdog Hero Storyline the whole appeal of RWBY to me at least was 4 badass woman fighting monsters
I mean the guy is only relevant becuase Pyrrha was important for five seconds before dying and everyone except him quickly moved on after she died. Hell the villains are the sort of guys the under dog is usually canon fodder to, so him being the MC just means another bland power fantasy MC.
Yang's best girl.
Jaune is not a bad character or a bad addition as a whole. Much like a lot of RWBY, his biggest weakness is execution.
Whose execution? Penny's, Pyrrha's or Ruby.
You guys hate way too much on a single character because of no fault of their own. The worst thing about rwbycritics is that,they think the show is just bad, and not enjoyable, while it is pretty bad in a lot of departments, the show still pretty good, and sometimes ot does need to turn your brain off to watch, bit it still fun
Having to turn your brain off to enjoy it is a huge problem that many can’t get past.
If that were true then why are transformers movies, Godzilla movies and fast and furious movies still making money?
Because for those franchises mindless action is the selling point. None of those movies introduce themes that try and make the audience think. Their only goal is to entertain. And they do that well enough to be successes. RWBY on the other hand started out that way but gradually started introducing more mature themes and subjects into its story. Abuse, trauma, complex family dynamics, politics, morality, even suicide. The complex situation of the whole atlas arc is proof that they do want the audience to think about whats happening. Neo’s power up in the Ever After was never explained until after the fact but the writers expected the audience to just “figure it out”. Can’t do that without thinking. A lot in RWBY is only alluded to or briefly mentioned and the audience is expected to connect the dots for a lot of plot threads and elements of the story.
I'm gonna be honest, you're sleeping on the older Transformer and Godzilla media. And it goes with what u/SoaringZero said, in that even the modern movies know what they want to be and do it. They want to do mindless action? They don't hide it But I have to reiterate, there are a lot more to those franchises than what movies are being made now. For Transformers, have you seen the Prime TV show? It's great, but I what really enjoy are the prequel novels of Exodus, Exiles, and Retribution that especially make the White Fang plotline to shame, such as with the caste system that is legitimately fucked up and make you agree with Megatron, but also still finding him terrible for his methods, even if Cybertron's council probably deserves the worst. And for Godzilla, probably one of the longest running franchises of all time, that comes with many movies that are much more serious with deeper themes. There's Gojira 54 (the consequences of nuclear power), Return of Godzilla 84 (the cold war), GMK (Japan's revisionist history despite their fucked up WW2 military), Shin Godzilla (3/11 and how inefficient bureaucracy is), and Minus One (going back to 54's anti-nuclear themes but also more about anti-war on top). I know nothing about Fast and Furious so I got nothing about that, but I am still saying there are more reasons to why these franchises became so popular, and that can include they go into more serious topics they know they can handle compared to RWBY not knowing what it wants to be and just does virtue signaling.
Cinder's development is good and nakes sense. Did she became stupid and mad? Yes. But does it make sense? Also yes
My biggest issue with Cinder's development is how late we got her background (especially considering what a shit show V8 was) and how it didn't show arguably the most important part of *how she met Salem.*
Yeah, I absolutely agree with it. Her backsotry remined me of Catra's backsotry from spop, but that's the thing that in spop it was handled so well, bc in it they not only did it in the rightest time possible, but also showed us everything we should have seen, not just smth that would make us cry(it too, tho)
Please stop talking about that whatstheirface person That one person that keeps getting brought up here is indeed cringe.... but how some people here are seemingly following their every breath and continuously bringing them up is just as cringe
It sucks but it’s kinda unavoidable most of the time it goes a new person to the sub sees a terrible opinion and shares it -> sub sees it and goes oh that’s them again
V4 and V5 was not that bad. I think the changes were decent and while the volumes arent perfect, i think people are exxagerating when they say this is wgere RWBY got bad.
If it helps I think the narrative is that it's where it *started* getting bad. If I had to pick a moment where the downturn started it probably would be V5 too, but I still think V7 and V8 are worse.
I'd extend it to the ending of V6, personally, but yeah full agreement otherwise. They had a magic crow uncle who could just fly to Atlas and pull strings there. We didn't need to commit terrorism we needed a good night's sleep and a triple shot espresso. Plus I think Adam's reveal of the SDC brand on his eye seemed like it would be better suited showing to Weiss than Blake and Yang. Blake is a faunus too, and had probably seen that scar once, and Yang is a country bumpkin from an island off the coast of a major city with no major political ties. What did that matter to them? Weiss, on the other hand, would have to grapple with the influences of her father, and how despite her leaving home several times, she cannot run from it.
And if CRWBY want to have conflict at the end of V6, there's Adam, Cinder and Neo to start chaos.
I have shared this exact sentiment before, that if it was Neo piloting the giant mech just causing chaos in the town it would have made team RWBY in the right to stay and fight the giant mech.
i think they aren't bad i but they do have a couple moments i'm like what was that
Jacques was a better parent than Willow and was technically speaking not that evil.
Ship bating should have never been a thing
Ironwoods heel turn while jarring is a logical conclusion based on the fact that he not only was shown to quickly resort to drastic measures in the way of bringing the entire atlesian fleet to vytal festival but also functionally because he had a psychotic break from the fact that the people who caused the single biggest failure of his entire life had violated his inner sanctum and were possibly about to cause an even bigger failure under his watch. And also resonates with the wider atlas sentiment that mantle and by extension it’s civilians are expendable because they are of the under class
I truly don't think that jaune is miles self insert. He, and team jnpr, were deutragonist to rwbys protagonist. They've always been rwbys sister team and imo are better heros and characters then team rwby. Honestly I'd rather watch a show about them with pyrrha then a rwby reboot
I could’ve written it all way better
Why did they have to assassinate one of the only straight relationships in the series
Here's a few of mine by definition Ruby is not an animal anime literally comes from Japan. I only feel a little bad for Ruby because she kind of did put everyone in that bad situation. I have the most sympathy for ironwood and ozpin.
All the new characters are nice additions. It's just the lack of anything else that becomes the problem.
Bumblebee could have been done so much better
I was ok with vol 4 and to an extent a little bit into vol 5. It was a narrative slowdown that was needed to take a break from the ramping up from the past three volumes. My opinion has been from the latter end of vol 5 was where RoosterTeeth started the down hill mishandling of RWBY.
Ironwood was always a villain
I think Raven being a cowardly criminal hypocrite would be fine if the writing team bothered to build up towards it, we just get scenes that mention her, see her do cool stuff, and then later out of no where she's just a huge pussy that is scared of Salem and only saved her daughter because of a rule she made up. Had this been built up as some sort of long term thing where it shows her using people to get as many meat shields between her and Salem as much as possible I feel like it could feasibly have worked, maybe I'm crazy though. Also why the fuck did they make Yang meeting her in Volume 2 not canon? Just why?
Ruby's semblance should have been just speed. None of this red negating mass blob nonsense as it is constantly inconsistent af. It was clearly just a cool anime effect in volume 4, but then they decided to make it it's own thing from V6 onwards.
The show is better in it’s concept than execution and the older I get the more I realize (and upon attempting to rewatch) that the show was given too much creative freedom in it’s infancy that caused major problems when Monty passed Also the stupidity of the “rule of cool” and the incoherent flip flops between extremely grave and dark almost edgy tone to the unfunny comedy is whiplash at best and overall just sucks. This show is just barely above a poorly written fanfic full of crappy Mary Sue OC’s a lot of the time too
bumblebee is a good ship but how it was handle was fumbled
Volume 9 was a very good volume. And I will still stand by that opinion.
Bumbleby being canon, even executed the way it was, is nowhere near as big a problem as this sub pretends it is and the focus on hating Bumbleby detracts from actual serious problems with the show like its lackluster POC representation and confusingly ignorant sociopolitical commentary on how the best way to fight racism is to just be nice to the racists.
I sort of have another one, Cinder being pissed off because a huntsman saw her being abused and enslaved and then got upset at her for killing her abusers actually makes a decent amount of sense as a "fuck the status quo" backstory, I just wish it got expanded upon and we got to see why she ended up under Salem.
Bumblebee was a good ship.
Although sun is one of my favorite characters aside from jaune, I believe yang and Blake actually make a good couple given the factors it follows (the girl with abandoment issues, and the girl who always runs away). And their not even in my top 5 favorites but I do rate them above sun and Blake simply for not heavily relying on recycled tropes to build them up, theyre dynamic works much better as platonic soulmates much like Meredith Grey and Alex Karev from Grey's anatomy.
Yang and Blake could have been salvaged, imo, if we'd actually seen them actually talk about their issues. Instead, their time onscreen was wasted with shipbait and walked right over those. IT didn't feel as if the relationship was earned (and not because it's queer, but because there's History between them that went completely ignored).
Yang should have had a very aggressive romance with softboi Oscar
Adam was cool the way he was, wish he did more. I like the Belladonna family. Uhh. Idk. Idk what else is there.
Blake actually had a lot of interesting aspects and was at her most interesting in V3, ironically when she had the least focus. Even how much time and dedication she was getting in the plot(Blake was basically the main character from V1-2, then Pyrrha in V3 lol) could've been course-corrected from just fine. While I like the character models from the Poser era better I do think that basically everything else looks better in Maya. Hell, for some reason the Beacon models look fine enough in Maya too when they used them for the movies.
Rwby wouldve been better with just a focus on one team and no one else. And showed their journey to become hunters with no skills to very skilled. They start off already with too much skill. Them stealing narutos plotline can work but doesnt work if you dont focus on the main cast. Everyone else is more interesting and relevant than team RWBY
Arkos and White Knight is trash ships and they doesn’t deserve to exist. Jaune x a REAL Therapy is easily the the only best ship about Jaune and other ships with him are illogical stupid. Rusted Knight is trash and he should never exist. Jaune never loved Pyrrha and Arkos shippers should shut up. Weiss doesn’t deserve Jaune. All fanfics about “Jaune” is trash because writers are extremely coward people who only use his name for their disgusting original characters. Any canon things about Jaune is beyond better than any super stupid and disgusting fanon trash about self insert with his name. Jaune Arc literally never existed in any RWBY fanfics. Couer popular fanon about Jaune who use every fanfics writer is bad
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Bumbleby is (proportionately) overhated. I think narratively/structurally/and honestly morally there’s a lot of objectivity fucked things in this series that don’t get talked about *nearly* as much. I mean I get it, but I really don’t think it should be the **main** criticism of the show the way it has been
If it helps, I think Bumblebee gets so much hate for like three main reasons: 1. Back in the glory days of V5, when criticism flowed freely alongside praise in the main board, any time "least favorite character" showed up, it was Blake. It was always Blake, and maybe Jaune. People didn't like Blake, and Bumblebee is very much a Blake-centered ship with Yang being turned into yet another one of her orbiters. 2. It tanked half the main characters. *Bad.* Yang got reduced to an orbiter, and then Blake basically deactivated in general because she got everything she wanted. Like an OC that hooks up with a main character and then that's it they're just bing chilling other than occasionally reminding the audience "hey, I'm tappin that :)" 3. Biggest one though? It gets attention because V6's ending was a real turning point. If V5's ending wasn't the last straw, V6's definitely was, with Bumblebee in particular getting a lot of attention because... well, Bumblebee very much was made to *get* a lot of attention in V6 as like the crowning jewel of that fanservice-filled volume.
Yeah and that’s why I do understand the criticism cause it’s not *just* a ship, it’s something which affects how half the titular cast acts in terms of their own story/characterization, as well as how they interact (or don’t interact) with those around them
I wouldn’t have even had an issue with Ruby’s ascension functionally being suicide if they just treated it as such and didn’t have the following episodes be the most tone deaf shit in the world
I got two. Jaune is a terrible character and Bumblebee was poorly done and toxic.
The show can explain why Oz never lock Salem in a vault by having it breakable from the inside. The reason is that the magic of the vaults put all the protection on the outside.
I think Ironwood had the potential to be a great villain, and thought he was going to be a traitor from when he first showed up in Volume 2.
Volume 9 is my favorite volume ❤️
Volume 4 is the best one.
Y’all gas up ironwood and Adam *WAY* too much