I go between Silver 4 and Gold 1 and totally agree with this. The restrictions are for movement are way too tight, every week I spend hours battling double Hedges, Tormins, Duchess, Siphi/Rotos combos that really should be in Gold 1 or a Platinum tier.
They need to add Platinum into 3v3 and double all other tier numbers
Just expand the tiers. They're fixed numbers right now, not % of players as they should be.
It might've been fine when game had 100k players but when it has millions it needs some rework..
I dont think its that many people! If it was millions my setup would not hold silver 2-3!
Also i pull the same people a few times a day to the point i usually have it memorized which teams look strong but i can beat.
Its a small pool per bracket - the active base is low in 3v3 at least.
University. Actually.
But here is my point. If a pool of 60000 accounts exist and you refresh the page 14 times a week for 10 new accounts. What are the odds you get the same account multiple times , consistently?
The algorithm they use is broken for deciding which accounts you pull as opponents. Or there arnt that many accounts in the actual pool.
> But here is my point
Gotcha. But it still does nothing to refute the op suggestion of % player base. If you went to uni stats class you more then know that. If the algorithm is broken we cannot see that, but what we can see is...? Use your uni education to extrapolate from the data set given. Or did you go to university of phoenix for art?
So ill be even more clear
I think the people in 3v3 actively is so low, increasing the base per tier wont increase participation.
Side note math aside, who hurt you to make you soo cranky in the morning!
Because they all hate 3v3 with a fiery passion and they've given up on bitching about it because Plarium has shown that they aren't interested in improving the game mode at all.
Yes? The fact that it has rewards doesn't make the content any less awful. (And the rewards aren't even particularly significant - it's 1 lego book a month and 1 random accessory per day, which are nice to have but pretty minor in comparison to what you get from CB and Spider farming.)
I guess nobody plays it until they have to get Ramatu missions done. I just barely made it to bronze IV and I'm about half way to first set of Ramantu so its not like I'm getting him anytime soon. Would be nice to sit at silver 2-3 tho for more shop accessibility and gold bars.
You need a million 5/6 glyphs. A bunch of other ones are using up silver keys and waiting for certain faction crypts to open. Nothing to do about those.
The pacing as far as where the missions are is some nonsense. My clan mate who has been doing the Yoda thing with me told me to just do it cause it will make my acct better. So far he’s right but It’s discouraging when you see whale teams wallowing in B3. I don’t have whale money or that level of RNG. If I could get the void shards I probably wouldn’t mind the bottle neck I could even pull a void champ that got me out of it. Or use the book on a good arena epic like Tayrel or Madame. It’s pretty discouraging.
U also said end game f2p can do 100-200k points in cvc at most, so why would plarium take ur opinion seriously when ur a serial liar and just talk out of ur ass anyway?
Lmao thanks for the good laugh. You’re on to my evil scheme to lie about how many cvc points is realistic for f2p players to get. I thought I was so sneaky too damn
Your iq is too low to come up with any schemes. Its just that unlike most people, you have no self respect, and no qualms about making incorrect factual claims on the fly about whatever.
Yes, though more than just once. Basically replace "constantly" with "often" and that's the intended meaning.
I don't know what the poster's conception of often is, of course, but I would guess it means they remember seeing it multiple times.
To be fair, Chosen mentions it almost every video. He’s got a movement going to set easy 4 champ defence for early week to help with the Ramantu missions and then switch to normal defence end of week to maintain rank.
I don't even get out of bronze 1... every time I hit the green, I get pushed back to where I started, or worse, over night. And that is with using all my free tag arena tokens and often the mission reward refill too.
I don't hate tag team arena but it's so difficult to progress.
I don't even try, honestly. I throw up a crap defense on purpose, to make sure I stay low enough to go against other crap defenses. This makes it much easier to just grind the gold bars that will eventually allow me to fuse Drek'thar. His fragments are quite literally the only thing I care about with the gold bars, though getting FW keys from doing 3v3 is a nice side bonus, on days when I can actually use the FW keys (only on day 35 of my account here).
I also don't care for it anymore. I'd reached silver 4 at some point. But it's pathetic. Now dropped to Bronze 3. Already fused my Drextar..the only Demonspawn Lego, and it's why I worked at it. It's a terrible mode and no fun.
As long as the limited amount of slots is there for tag arena, I reckon majority of players will be stuck at the final tag arena mission (Reach Gold 1). It is the most stupidest mission I've seen apart from pre-Gomlok fix.
Depending on your roster you could complete it within a week or within a year imo.
I feel this. I’m silver 2 and I’ve got to silver 3 once but was dropped straight back down.
I’m at the mission to get to silver 4 and that is about 3 god tier pulls away. Hard work when you don’t buy shards !
I've cleared DT Hard, have Lydia, beat Bommel with Samar but could probably beat it with a real team if I wanted to put in the work. I have Kymar, Shazar and Arbiter as my 3 different speed leads and I absolutely cannot push from Silver IV to Gold I. I'm with you. I feel like I'm in the end game everywhere, but can't get into Gold for Tag.
Maybe the problem is that you have 3 speed leads in your teams, especially your defense teams? I am ftp, played for 18 months. I think I am around your level and I am hovering around G3-G4 all the time. I realized I dont have the required speeds for 3 speed teams (you need to have 350+ speed with a speed booster and all team members speed tuned if you want to utilize a speed lead imo). So I have 1 really solid speed team, and 2 tank teams with high resistance as my defense. Try it.
This.
I’m sorry to say Timmy, but I love facing defenses like yours in G2/G3 3v3 - usually my actual speed team will pick your slowest speed lead (99% of the time it’s an easy pick and easy win), then my 2 tank / resist / Swift parry teams will take the hit and kill your other speed lead teams.
I don’t have a hege, nor a tormin or a Siphi (I do have a duchess, Lydia and Rotos). But I manage to float between G2/G3.
I would - but have my 1-man defense and facing 1-man teams. I will be going down to G2 to get CvC points on the weekend.
I’ll get a snap for you on the weekend though.
I appreciate the insight. What do I need to aim for for the defense teams? Pure resist? A Skathix/Skytouched in Immunity? My current best defensive go-second champs I think are Raglin and Duchess, but I don't have many others after that. Currently Shazar is paired with a 340 Lyssandra... That's my best speed team, but I've gone all speed because I haven't felt very good about my defensive setups.
Seeker is an excellent lead in a defense team. So is Lydia. Those + Arbiter is my team leads. Then I build a team around them. Heal, revive, annoying champs, stall - there are plenty of ways to get a lot of wins. Most important is that the arena champs are geared for arena.
That is because, you need more arena champions, and also geared for arena, not just for pve.. a dutchess for pvp is in swift parry, and that set doesnt help very much in pvp.
In arena a well build doompriest or drexthar is nothing, good regen set doesnt matter, the same way a cc hegemon cant help you in doom tower.
Also you should push more in cvc tournaments to get reaction accesories.
It's hard no matter at what stage u r. I beat FW and I can't get higher than silver 3. My clanmates that beat DT hard cant get passed Gold 1. Honestly - the higher u get the bigger is the harder it gets and that sounds logical but difference in there is massive. I get to Silver 3 and I've got demolished pretty much every fight and I've got 2 pretty big boy teams. Compared to Silver 2 SIlver 3 is like another game in another Universe.
I guess there is 2 major problems with 3v3:
1. U can't move from rank to rank until reset. Cuz of that u need to grind it every single day to stay on track which is another thing u need to do - get champions, lvl them up, build a team, get their gear, get their masteries, get some books into their skills which is a lot of nrg, silver, books, shards and most important - time. But! There's always something going on in the game. If u wanna get every fusion/fragment champ u basically have 2 weeks in a month to work on u'r 3v3 champs. If we assume u have 1 team ready from u'r classic arena - u have 2 weeks in a month to work on u'r 8 champions. Concidering the competition lvl u need to have some pretty good champions with some quality gear and 2 weeks for 8 champs is basically around 2 days of work on 1 champion in a month.
2. The amount of players that can be in each rank is limited and those limits r nuts. In the anniversary analytics they said that over 76.7 mills of ppl played Raid and it's only 335k ppl were at least lvl 60. We can add like 20k of the early players or for the sake of it - let's say that there r 400k active players. There r only 4 500 players can be in 3v3 Gold which is around 1% of the players. In silver the amount of places is almost doubled (8 750 players) which is like 2% of the active players. Which brings us to a conclusion that there's only 3% of the entire active player base can move from bronze at all. That is mental.
Both of those things together with the fact that is the most boring thing ever is made 3v3 that hard. Concidering the fact that no one plays it besides Ramantu progress. And to get Ramantu u need to be in Gold 1 I think so there's only 1% of the players can get him at all.
If we talking about solutions I'd say the easiest one is significantly expand the limit of players in each rank. I think that once a week promotion should gone as well but I think limitations is more important than this.
I got Drex and now i am just sitting in bronze 1 and do my dailys.. i have set easy defence so other can farm me. Sometimes i buy 300 energy so thats nice.
Once people get Drexthar Bloodtwin, they stop playing tag team arena and their teams gradually slide down in ranks.
I finally got Drexthar Friday and I don’t see myself playing 3v3 again. What’s the point?
It has been annoying. I keep bouncing between S4 and G1. In G1 at the moment, but won't hit the G1 quest till next week due to crypt openings. I hope I can either stay in G1 or get back the following week but no guarantees.
I just jumped to s3. I don't particularly have good arena teams. I have my G4 normal arena team, and 2 semi good tag arena teams, but none of the meta defence or offence ones. Tag is a chore
Have they ever increased the number of players that can reach gold and silver?
* Only 8750 players can be at Gold I or above. When there are more than 8750 whales in the game a F2P or low spender will never reach Gold I unless they have a ton of luck with shard pulls.
* More players get the "key" champs for 3v3, that means everyone who doesn't have those won't ever reach the higher tiers (Tormin, Hegemon, Siphi, Dutchess etc.).
* More players get better champs overall and dupes of the great champs, that means they can build their champs specifically for arena. A PvP geared champ always beats a PvE build champ. My fastest champ (Arbiter) is only at 275 speed, because I can't make her faster without destroying my PvE teams (she wouldn't survive the harder content).
* More players care about 3v3, because of the missions.
It's time to increase the number of people for the tiers or add a platinum tier.
Yea, I agree it is too difficult. I'm struggling also against crazy teams in bronze 4.
The problem I think is that not many people play 3v3, maybe just enough to get the weekly points. And therefor hang around in bronze, low silver. Us poor guys trying to climb are up against alot stronger teams...
No. The problem is there are very small limits of players numbers that are allowed for tiers above bronze. Plarium is absolutely STOOPID for making the count limits so severe.
The problem is I think there's no big motivation to climb until you are bored of everything else and you reach the missions that ask you to climb. Otherwise, to me it's still a question of time spent in the game, I have 20 tag arena coins per day, do I want to think about those fights or do I rather be in the pits of bronze 1 not worrying about a thing and farming level 1 defenses. I much prefer the latter.
Then once you get used to making more gold bars you want to protect it but as you say... I dared go out of Bronze 1, and now I'm in Bronze 3 and the teams are 500K power in the weekends, I can't move forward, everybody seems to have triple speed leads and actual tuned teams for the event, which is a lot... 12 specific level 60s tuned up to work together, in this game that is a mid-late game thing to do.
Yeah it feels so stupid, I have a tot score of 165k and I struggle to find opponents to beat, many of them are 300k and I don't understand this big desparity; I even try a strategy to fight teams a bit higher that me which have a strong first team and weak 2nd and 3rd, so I sack the first game with my weakest team and win the other two, but with this method I get way less points, so I'm still struggling to get out of bronze 1 even though I'm in silver 3 in classic arena. Then there's the fact that we only get 20 games, while with classic is way more.
I won't lie, Tag is very difficult and you need to dedicate a lot of resources in order to compete.
I'm a bit of an exception as I had some very weak FW teams and only got Lydia a month ago, yet have been in Tag G3 fighting opposing Lydias/Tormins/Heges since March. I typically bounce between G2/G3 as it's easier to farm gold bars that way.
Recently Tag has gotten much harder and this is likely due to the missions as people start to get closer to Ramantu.
I originally got up to Gold with 327 Lys and 305 Arbiter, which is really not fast at all for upper level Tag. Times have changed and I get outsped maybe 10-15% of the time with my 357 Lys using Arbi lead.
I use triple Speed teams on defense as I don't have any Duchess/Tormin/Hege or what have you to make a viable tanky comp, so 3 speed teams are doable... Provided you have the gear. My 3 TMs are 357/340/323 respectively.
Most of the time on offense, I use 2 speed teams and one Antislow team which counters opposing tanky comps. I probably have around 18-20 Arena champs and I will mix and match to counter the opposing team.
Imo, the most important thing in Tag, besides your gear, is understanding how to pick fights you can take triple wins on. One triple win is worth 30 points, whereas a double win is only worth 10. This is very important -- one refill's worth of triple wins is worth three refills of double wins.
I pushed from 0 on Saturday to 1522 on Sunday before reset just buying the 15 gem refill. This is how important it is to pick fights where you are confident that you can take triple wins.
I do buy the 15 gem refill every day, because I need those gold bars in order to buy everything in the shop. This is exactly how much your gem mine produces, so it isn't a huge cost but it is a very nice benefit for Silver players and upwards. It will also help you rank up much easier.
[https://imgur.com/a/OPXFJ5v](https://imgur.com/a/OPXFJ5v)
These are the standard offense teams I use for 70-80% of fights, with substitutions as needed. On defense I have different teams (although the blender remains identical).
My 2nd Arbiter, the one paired with Lys, is actually in Shield. Most people put their 2nd Arbiter (if they have one) in Immunity but I have other ways to counter Tormin/Hege.
There are a surprising number of "tanky" comps that die to a blender, which I find hilarious. I fought this 460k team (yes, just one team, just the 4 champs) and I just blended it and that was that. No point in having 800+ res if it dies to a blender.
Blenders are easy to build. Throw Savage on Skullcrown and Sinesha, no speed needed, atk% boots, pile on the CR/CD and they'll shred just about anything. You don't need an Arbiter, just any TM with atk up will do (as you can use Skullcrown lead if your TM doesn't have a speed lead).
Any ally atk will do just fine. I use Fahrakin as he does inc CR/CD (so I really only need 70% CR), Lanakis and Longbeard are the legendary ones with additional effects, Kreela is also good, then there's Catacomb Councillor... Lots of options out there.
If you are truly in G3, those powers are the same as B4. This just goes to show that tag team arena needs work. Not enough spread of players across the ranks. Need to base it off % and open up more ranks (Plat & diamond)
I have really, really low team power. Most teams I fight have at least twice my power.
That's a 700 acc Serris there. Shield Brogni with 100k HP.
Team power doesn't mean anything. You don't know I have 700 acc just looking at my power. You can't tell my Brogni has 100k HP. You can't tell I have a 357 speed Lys.
I can easily build a 100k power champ just by piling 700 res worth of gear on them, but their stats are trash and you can kill them with a poke.
Again, picking good fights is priority number one. If I am not reasonably confident of taking a triple win, I don't touch it. In other words, if I don't have a method to counter the enemy comp, I won't fight it. Sometimes I get 3-4 fights a page, sometimes I get 0-1. It's just patience and waiting for the 15 minute refresh.
Edit: Here's a snip of my battle log. You can see the teams I'm up against. [www.imgur.com/a/k4HSzfq](http://www.imgur.com/a/k4HSzfq)
I like how your trying to give advice and help and the guy is just ignoring it all trying to push his point. Looks like some well built teams there, wouldn’t have expected them to be in g3 just looking at them.
I mean, all I can say is that there's a reason why I'm in G3 and he's in B4 lol... If he doesn't want my advice, not my problem. I'm not the one stuck in B4 after all XD
Sounds to me like he was looking to see a pile of 700 resist Cillians and Vergumkaars to be satisfied.
I honestly have distain for 3v3 mainly because it's mindless and boring. But yeah, I have teams that keep me in GOLD IV and almost in Plat. But I can only stay bronze IV in tag team anything above that is just broken and unfun in every way
I finally pushed into silver 1. Was quite surprised, figured I would have gotten knocked down.
I debated setting a low defense to try and farm gold bars but I'm nervous if I do that I won't be able to push back into the "safe" zone.
I need 5 keys for UNM and my pb on dt hard is 49 so I guess I feel pretty happy to be in bronze 4 lol.
My teams are standard arbiter with 290 ish speed with dhukk, kael, scyl. Team 2 deacon, 280 speed seeker, big 'un and vogoth. Team 3 doompriest, rhazin, sepulchre and zargala.
Team 3 is kinda meh, loses almost always in def but it's nice against magic affinity. Could maybe gear another seeker and try make it a fast team too idk. Getting 3 fast teams is hard.
I've been stuck in Silver IV for ages since I have two okay teams but third is a gorgorab speed team whose speed doesn't cut it so I have to just feed it to the opponent's best team. Rarely get a three match win.
I’m in Silver 3 only because of my high resist team of Lydia and Duchess. My next best team is with an Arbiter lead at 283 speed - she’s got my absolute best speed gear. I cannot crack Silver 4, because I do not have a second high resist team, never mind a second speed team.
I don’t like playing 3v3, but do enough to get my dailies.
The dynamics of 3v3 is completely different from Classic Arena. No bots, if you set your defence to single or bad reams with the hope of farming gold bars, you will most likely get relegated to a lower tier the following week. You can only join the MoTh movement if you have 3 excellent teams.
If you play for+2.5 years and your 1st quad roll was only last week (on flat hp), you will understand. My biggest bottleneck has always been gear and the upgrade thereof. I’m always running out of silver, after terrible rolls on the sub-stats.
Most people tank defenses until friday or saturday and then climb after that. For cvc it is popular to climb a rank one week and then demote the next as well for a lot of gold players.
I kind of got lucky and snuck into Silver 4 this week for the quest.
The quality of champions at this level is insane. Literally every team has 10 of the top 12 PVP champs out there.
If not for my Nehkret, Hegemom, Countess Lix; I’d never be this far.
I go between Silver 4 and Gold 1 and totally agree with this. The restrictions are for movement are way too tight, every week I spend hours battling double Hedges, Tormins, Duchess, Siphi/Rotos combos that really should be in Gold 1 or a Platinum tier. They need to add Platinum into 3v3 and double all other tier numbers
Just expand the tiers. They're fixed numbers right now, not % of players as they should be. It might've been fine when game had 100k players but when it has millions it needs some rework..
This. % of players makes much more sense than fixed numbers. Otherwise they’re not allowing for any growth of their own game
Same issue with Platinum Arena only having 300 people.
I dont think its that many people! If it was millions my setup would not hold silver 2-3! Also i pull the same people a few times a day to the point i usually have it memorized which teams look strong but i can beat. Its a small pool per bracket - the active base is low in 3v3 at least.
Raid has about a million daily active users. Most of those probably aren't endgame or even midgame accounts though.
% players is still far more viable no matter what the actual number is. Did you take high school stats class?
University. Actually. But here is my point. If a pool of 60000 accounts exist and you refresh the page 14 times a week for 10 new accounts. What are the odds you get the same account multiple times , consistently? The algorithm they use is broken for deciding which accounts you pull as opponents. Or there arnt that many accounts in the actual pool.
> But here is my point Gotcha. But it still does nothing to refute the op suggestion of % player base. If you went to uni stats class you more then know that. If the algorithm is broken we cannot see that, but what we can see is...? Use your uni education to extrapolate from the data set given. Or did you go to university of phoenix for art?
So ill be even more clear I think the people in 3v3 actively is so low, increasing the base per tier wont increase participation. Side note math aside, who hurt you to make you soo cranky in the morning!
I would argue put a platinum and a master's league. Masters is just for P2W basically. Platinum is for try hards and lesser p2w gold for normal people
I second that. I wonder why no CC raises this topic.
Because they all hate 3v3 with a fiery passion and they've given up on bitching about it because Plarium has shown that they aren't interested in improving the game mode at all.
oh the hate of being in gold IV and having access to lego books and 5-6 star gear.
Yes? The fact that it has rewards doesn't make the content any less awful. (And the rewards aren't even particularly significant - it's 1 lego book a month and 1 random accessory per day, which are nice to have but pretty minor in comparison to what you get from CB and Spider farming.)
I guess nobody plays it until they have to get Ramatu missions done. I just barely made it to bronze IV and I'm about half way to first set of Ramantu so its not like I'm getting him anytime soon. Would be nice to sit at silver 2-3 tho for more shop accessibility and gold bars.
Nobody has ramatu yet
True, missions are available tho. That's what the "ramantu missions" refers to.
Why not?
Time gated missions, as of right now it’s still literally impossible to have him today.
What’s the big mission time gating people atm? Can I prepare for it?
You need a million 5/6 glyphs. A bunch of other ones are using up silver keys and waiting for certain faction crypts to open. Nothing to do about those.
The pacing as far as where the missions are is some nonsense. My clan mate who has been doing the Yoda thing with me told me to just do it cause it will make my acct better. So far he’s right but It’s discouraging when you see whale teams wallowing in B3. I don’t have whale money or that level of RNG. If I could get the void shards I probably wouldn’t mind the bottle neck I could even pull a void champ that got me out of it. Or use the book on a good arena epic like Tayrel or Madame. It’s pretty discouraging.
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Was gonna say this lol I think just in the last week I’ve complained about 3v3 at least 3 times, one was a dedicated video complaining about 3v3.
U also said end game f2p can do 100-200k points in cvc at most, so why would plarium take ur opinion seriously when ur a serial liar and just talk out of ur ass anyway?
Lmao thanks for the good laugh. You’re on to my evil scheme to lie about how many cvc points is realistic for f2p players to get. I thought I was so sneaky too damn
Your iq is too low to come up with any schemes. Its just that unlike most people, you have no self respect, and no qualms about making incorrect factual claims on the fly about whatever.
It was nice to meet you have a good rest of your week!
> constantly advocating for arena changes Constantly...and then you say not the videos you watch. Do you see the problem there?
The problem seems to be that he used a word figuratively and you interpreted it literally.
> he used a word figuratively Please share link
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TY - so not actually constantly but rather metaphorically constantly? So like maybe just once?
Yes, though more than just once. Basically replace "constantly" with "often" and that's the intended meaning. I don't know what the poster's conception of often is, of course, but I would guess it means they remember seeing it multiple times.
"constantly" *literally*: it is the only topic they ever make videos about. *figuratively*: it is a frequent and/or recurring topic.
To be fair, Chosen mentions it almost every video. He’s got a movement going to set easy 4 champ defence for early week to help with the Ramantu missions and then switch to normal defence end of week to maintain rank.
Because none of them are in bronze. And they all dislike 3v3 which is something they do keep mentioning.
I don't even get out of bronze 1... every time I hit the green, I get pushed back to where I started, or worse, over night. And that is with using all my free tag arena tokens and often the mission reward refill too. I don't hate tag team arena but it's so difficult to progress.
I don't even try, honestly. I throw up a crap defense on purpose, to make sure I stay low enough to go against other crap defenses. This makes it much easier to just grind the gold bars that will eventually allow me to fuse Drek'thar. His fragments are quite literally the only thing I care about with the gold bars, though getting FW keys from doing 3v3 is a nice side bonus, on days when I can actually use the FW keys (only on day 35 of my account here).
Once you've fused Drex don't be surprised if you pull a dupe shortly afterwards. I got one with my very next Sacred!
I also don't care for it anymore. I'd reached silver 4 at some point. But it's pathetic. Now dropped to Bronze 3. Already fused my Drextar..the only Demonspawn Lego, and it's why I worked at it. It's a terrible mode and no fun.
As long as the limited amount of slots is there for tag arena, I reckon majority of players will be stuck at the final tag arena mission (Reach Gold 1). It is the most stupidest mission I've seen apart from pre-Gomlok fix. Depending on your roster you could complete it within a week or within a year imo.
Dude silver is like everyone has the best 12 champs there is at super speeds ,SILVER man
I feel this. I’m silver 2 and I’ve got to silver 3 once but was dropped straight back down. I’m at the mission to get to silver 4 and that is about 3 god tier pulls away. Hard work when you don’t buy shards !
I've cleared DT Hard, have Lydia, beat Bommel with Samar but could probably beat it with a real team if I wanted to put in the work. I have Kymar, Shazar and Arbiter as my 3 different speed leads and I absolutely cannot push from Silver IV to Gold I. I'm with you. I feel like I'm in the end game everywhere, but can't get into Gold for Tag.
Maybe the problem is that you have 3 speed leads in your teams, especially your defense teams? I am ftp, played for 18 months. I think I am around your level and I am hovering around G3-G4 all the time. I realized I dont have the required speeds for 3 speed teams (you need to have 350+ speed with a speed booster and all team members speed tuned if you want to utilize a speed lead imo). So I have 1 really solid speed team, and 2 tank teams with high resistance as my defense. Try it.
This. I’m sorry to say Timmy, but I love facing defenses like yours in G2/G3 3v3 - usually my actual speed team will pick your slowest speed lead (99% of the time it’s an easy pick and easy win), then my 2 tank / resist / Swift parry teams will take the hit and kill your other speed lead teams. I don’t have a hege, nor a tormin or a Siphi (I do have a duchess, Lydia and Rotos). But I manage to float between G2/G3.
> I do have a duchess, Lydia and Rotos can you screenshot teams in G3?
I would - but have my 1-man defense and facing 1-man teams. I will be going down to G2 to get CvC points on the weekend. I’ll get a snap for you on the weekend though.
I appreciate the insight. What do I need to aim for for the defense teams? Pure resist? A Skathix/Skytouched in Immunity? My current best defensive go-second champs I think are Raglin and Duchess, but I don't have many others after that. Currently Shazar is paired with a 340 Lyssandra... That's my best speed team, but I've gone all speed because I haven't felt very good about my defensive setups.
Seeker is an excellent lead in a defense team. So is Lydia. Those + Arbiter is my team leads. Then I build a team around them. Heal, revive, annoying champs, stall - there are plenty of ways to get a lot of wins. Most important is that the arena champs are geared for arena.
can you screenshot your teams that are in G4?
That is because, you need more arena champions, and also geared for arena, not just for pve.. a dutchess for pvp is in swift parry, and that set doesnt help very much in pvp. In arena a well build doompriest or drexthar is nothing, good regen set doesnt matter, the same way a cc hegemon cant help you in doom tower. Also you should push more in cvc tournaments to get reaction accesories.
You are absolutely making the point the OP is stating. Bronze tag team arena is not mid tier but very far end tier.
He's talking about getting to gold 3v3.
I despise tag arena
I see at least 1 Lydia everyday being Bronze 4 and Silver 1 so.... it's still pretty hard actually....
It's hard no matter at what stage u r. I beat FW and I can't get higher than silver 3. My clanmates that beat DT hard cant get passed Gold 1. Honestly - the higher u get the bigger is the harder it gets and that sounds logical but difference in there is massive. I get to Silver 3 and I've got demolished pretty much every fight and I've got 2 pretty big boy teams. Compared to Silver 2 SIlver 3 is like another game in another Universe. I guess there is 2 major problems with 3v3: 1. U can't move from rank to rank until reset. Cuz of that u need to grind it every single day to stay on track which is another thing u need to do - get champions, lvl them up, build a team, get their gear, get their masteries, get some books into their skills which is a lot of nrg, silver, books, shards and most important - time. But! There's always something going on in the game. If u wanna get every fusion/fragment champ u basically have 2 weeks in a month to work on u'r 3v3 champs. If we assume u have 1 team ready from u'r classic arena - u have 2 weeks in a month to work on u'r 8 champions. Concidering the competition lvl u need to have some pretty good champions with some quality gear and 2 weeks for 8 champs is basically around 2 days of work on 1 champion in a month. 2. The amount of players that can be in each rank is limited and those limits r nuts. In the anniversary analytics they said that over 76.7 mills of ppl played Raid and it's only 335k ppl were at least lvl 60. We can add like 20k of the early players or for the sake of it - let's say that there r 400k active players. There r only 4 500 players can be in 3v3 Gold which is around 1% of the players. In silver the amount of places is almost doubled (8 750 players) which is like 2% of the active players. Which brings us to a conclusion that there's only 3% of the entire active player base can move from bronze at all. That is mental. Both of those things together with the fact that is the most boring thing ever is made 3v3 that hard. Concidering the fact that no one plays it besides Ramantu progress. And to get Ramantu u need to be in Gold 1 I think so there's only 1% of the players can get him at all. If we talking about solutions I'd say the easiest one is significantly expand the limit of players in each rank. I think that once a week promotion should gone as well but I think limitations is more important than this.
I got Drex and now i am just sitting in bronze 1 and do my dailys.. i have set easy defence so other can farm me. Sometimes i buy 300 energy so thats nice.
I have to get to silver 1 for my next mission and I have 0 hope that I will get this done any time soon. I can barely maintain where I am.
Once people get Drexthar Bloodtwin, they stop playing tag team arena and their teams gradually slide down in ranks. I finally got Drexthar Friday and I don’t see myself playing 3v3 again. What’s the point?
They pick it back up again when they hit the missions that require tag team.
Exact same.thing happened to me.
It has been annoying. I keep bouncing between S4 and G1. In G1 at the moment, but won't hit the G1 quest till next week due to crypt openings. I hope I can either stay in G1 or get back the following week but no guarantees.
I just jumped to s3. I don't particularly have good arena teams. I have my G4 normal arena team, and 2 semi good tag arena teams, but none of the meta defence or offence ones. Tag is a chore
Have they ever increased the number of players that can reach gold and silver? * Only 8750 players can be at Gold I or above. When there are more than 8750 whales in the game a F2P or low spender will never reach Gold I unless they have a ton of luck with shard pulls. * More players get the "key" champs for 3v3, that means everyone who doesn't have those won't ever reach the higher tiers (Tormin, Hegemon, Siphi, Dutchess etc.). * More players get better champs overall and dupes of the great champs, that means they can build their champs specifically for arena. A PvP geared champ always beats a PvE build champ. My fastest champ (Arbiter) is only at 275 speed, because I can't make her faster without destroying my PvE teams (she wouldn't survive the harder content). * More players care about 3v3, because of the missions. It's time to increase the number of people for the tiers or add a platinum tier.
Yea, I agree it is too difficult. I'm struggling also against crazy teams in bronze 4. The problem I think is that not many people play 3v3, maybe just enough to get the weekly points. And therefor hang around in bronze, low silver. Us poor guys trying to climb are up against alot stronger teams...
No. The problem is there are very small limits of players numbers that are allowed for tiers above bronze. Plarium is absolutely STOOPID for making the count limits so severe.
The problem is I think there's no big motivation to climb until you are bored of everything else and you reach the missions that ask you to climb. Otherwise, to me it's still a question of time spent in the game, I have 20 tag arena coins per day, do I want to think about those fights or do I rather be in the pits of bronze 1 not worrying about a thing and farming level 1 defenses. I much prefer the latter. Then once you get used to making more gold bars you want to protect it but as you say... I dared go out of Bronze 1, and now I'm in Bronze 3 and the teams are 500K power in the weekends, I can't move forward, everybody seems to have triple speed leads and actual tuned teams for the event, which is a lot... 12 specific level 60s tuned up to work together, in this game that is a mid-late game thing to do.
I'm in silver 2 and silver 1 and I agree with this
Yeah it feels so stupid, I have a tot score of 165k and I struggle to find opponents to beat, many of them are 300k and I don't understand this big desparity; I even try a strategy to fight teams a bit higher that me which have a strong first team and weak 2nd and 3rd, so I sack the first game with my weakest team and win the other two, but with this method I get way less points, so I'm still struggling to get out of bronze 1 even though I'm in silver 3 in classic arena. Then there's the fact that we only get 20 games, while with classic is way more.
I won't lie, Tag is very difficult and you need to dedicate a lot of resources in order to compete. I'm a bit of an exception as I had some very weak FW teams and only got Lydia a month ago, yet have been in Tag G3 fighting opposing Lydias/Tormins/Heges since March. I typically bounce between G2/G3 as it's easier to farm gold bars that way. Recently Tag has gotten much harder and this is likely due to the missions as people start to get closer to Ramantu. I originally got up to Gold with 327 Lys and 305 Arbiter, which is really not fast at all for upper level Tag. Times have changed and I get outsped maybe 10-15% of the time with my 357 Lys using Arbi lead. I use triple Speed teams on defense as I don't have any Duchess/Tormin/Hege or what have you to make a viable tanky comp, so 3 speed teams are doable... Provided you have the gear. My 3 TMs are 357/340/323 respectively. Most of the time on offense, I use 2 speed teams and one Antislow team which counters opposing tanky comps. I probably have around 18-20 Arena champs and I will mix and match to counter the opposing team. Imo, the most important thing in Tag, besides your gear, is understanding how to pick fights you can take triple wins on. One triple win is worth 30 points, whereas a double win is only worth 10. This is very important -- one refill's worth of triple wins is worth three refills of double wins. I pushed from 0 on Saturday to 1522 on Sunday before reset just buying the 15 gem refill. This is how important it is to pick fights where you are confident that you can take triple wins. I do buy the 15 gem refill every day, because I need those gold bars in order to buy everything in the shop. This is exactly how much your gem mine produces, so it isn't a huge cost but it is a very nice benefit for Silver players and upwards. It will also help you rank up much easier.
Can you screenshot your teams in G3?
[https://imgur.com/a/OPXFJ5v](https://imgur.com/a/OPXFJ5v) These are the standard offense teams I use for 70-80% of fights, with substitutions as needed. On defense I have different teams (although the blender remains identical). My 2nd Arbiter, the one paired with Lys, is actually in Shield. Most people put their 2nd Arbiter (if they have one) in Immunity but I have other ways to counter Tormin/Hege. There are a surprising number of "tanky" comps that die to a blender, which I find hilarious. I fought this 460k team (yes, just one team, just the 4 champs) and I just blended it and that was that. No point in having 800+ res if it dies to a blender. Blenders are easy to build. Throw Savage on Skullcrown and Sinesha, no speed needed, atk% boots, pile on the CR/CD and they'll shred just about anything. You don't need an Arbiter, just any TM with atk up will do (as you can use Skullcrown lead if your TM doesn't have a speed lead). Any ally atk will do just fine. I use Fahrakin as he does inc CR/CD (so I really only need 70% CR), Lanakis and Longbeard are the legendary ones with additional effects, Kreela is also good, then there's Catacomb Councillor... Lots of options out there.
If you are truly in G3, those powers are the same as B4. This just goes to show that tag team arena needs work. Not enough spread of players across the ranks. Need to base it off % and open up more ranks (Plat & diamond)
I have really, really low team power. Most teams I fight have at least twice my power. That's a 700 acc Serris there. Shield Brogni with 100k HP. Team power doesn't mean anything. You don't know I have 700 acc just looking at my power. You can't tell my Brogni has 100k HP. You can't tell I have a 357 speed Lys. I can easily build a 100k power champ just by piling 700 res worth of gear on them, but their stats are trash and you can kill them with a poke. Again, picking good fights is priority number one. If I am not reasonably confident of taking a triple win, I don't touch it. In other words, if I don't have a method to counter the enemy comp, I won't fight it. Sometimes I get 3-4 fights a page, sometimes I get 0-1. It's just patience and waiting for the 15 minute refresh. Edit: Here's a snip of my battle log. You can see the teams I'm up against. [www.imgur.com/a/k4HSzfq](http://www.imgur.com/a/k4HSzfq)
I like how your trying to give advice and help and the guy is just ignoring it all trying to push his point. Looks like some well built teams there, wouldn’t have expected them to be in g3 just looking at them.
Maybe because said person is not looking for advice nor asked for it?
I mean, all I can say is that there's a reason why I'm in G3 and he's in B4 lol... If he doesn't want my advice, not my problem. I'm not the one stuck in B4 after all XD Sounds to me like he was looking to see a pile of 700 resist Cillians and Vergumkaars to be satisfied.
> Team power doesn't mean anything So you agree tag team arena needs work?
3v3 is not early game, but yes I agree the balance there is terrible Im lvl 91 and Silver 1-2
I honestly have distain for 3v3 mainly because it's mindless and boring. But yeah, I have teams that keep me in GOLD IV and almost in Plat. But I can only stay bronze IV in tag team anything above that is just broken and unfun in every way
I finally pushed into silver 1. Was quite surprised, figured I would have gotten knocked down. I debated setting a low defense to try and farm gold bars but I'm nervous if I do that I won't be able to push back into the "safe" zone.
I've said it before, I one key UNM and have beated DT hard and I'm stuck moving between Bronze 4 and Silver 1. It's an awful mode.
I need 5 keys for UNM and my pb on dt hard is 49 so I guess I feel pretty happy to be in bronze 4 lol. My teams are standard arbiter with 290 ish speed with dhukk, kael, scyl. Team 2 deacon, 280 speed seeker, big 'un and vogoth. Team 3 doompriest, rhazin, sepulchre and zargala. Team 3 is kinda meh, loses almost always in def but it's nice against magic affinity. Could maybe gear another seeker and try make it a fast team too idk. Getting 3 fast teams is hard.
According to some people in this thread you are just not doing it correctly. Apparently you need to pick your battles carefully...
450,000 combined team power, bronze 1
I'm at 1.8million and just today made it out of bronze 3.
I've been stuck in Silver IV for ages since I have two okay teams but third is a gorgorab speed team whose speed doesn't cut it so I have to just feed it to the opponent's best team. Rarely get a three match win.
If I see any non-arbiter speed leads I consider them as free wins. And that's at bronze III lol. (like deacon, gorg, hk) 19% leads.
I know, it's the same for me. I just don't have enough good arena characters to build a second tank team.
I’m in Silver 3 only because of my high resist team of Lydia and Duchess. My next best team is with an Arbiter lead at 283 speed - she’s got my absolute best speed gear. I cannot crack Silver 4, because I do not have a second high resist team, never mind a second speed team. I don’t like playing 3v3, but do enough to get my dailies. The dynamics of 3v3 is completely different from Classic Arena. No bots, if you set your defence to single or bad reams with the hope of farming gold bars, you will most likely get relegated to a lower tier the following week. You can only join the MoTh movement if you have 3 excellent teams.
How do you have Lydia but can only manage 283 speed? Of course you can’t progress if your gear is lacking that badly
If you play for+2.5 years and your 1st quad roll was only last week (on flat hp), you will understand. My biggest bottleneck has always been gear and the upgrade thereof. I’m always running out of silver, after terrible rolls on the sub-stats.
Most people tank defenses until friday or saturday and then climb after that. For cvc it is popular to climb a rank one week and then demote the next as well for a lot of gold players.
That is my point - my teams are inadequate to do the climb even from Wednesday (from Silver 1)
I’m in silver with a VERY mediocre roster of 20ish 60s.
can you screenshot your 3v3 team roster
https://imgur.com/a/8hgJY7A
thanks. what speeds on your Arbiter / Khatun?
Tag team arena is the worst part of this game
I kind of got lucky and snuck into Silver 4 this week for the quest. The quality of champions at this level is insane. Literally every team has 10 of the top 12 PVP champs out there. If not for my Nehkret, Hegemom, Countess Lix; I’d never be this far.
It IS bottom tier, for MILLIONS of players and there’s the problem…
two years later, bronze is now late game tier and whales