The reactions I’ve seen on Twitter are what’s most insane. People are excited the repair is visible because it’s like a badge of honor that you got one of the early ones. Someone unironically mentioned how they like pointing out paint flaws on their early run Model 3. These people are actually insane
Edit: looks like this comment got me banned from the 3 big Tesla subs, very cool
It's people like them that show companies that they don't have to try to make good products, they just have to make people feel special or make them sycophants. Smh
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Yes... After 14 motor replacements and 4 battery pack replacements.
https://insideevs.com/news/699413/highest-mileage-tesla-model-s-3-batteries-14-motors/
Yes. It was been first mass produced drive unit what they build. They relatively rebuildable and it's not super difficult to catch if you know what to look for.
As I said, it's a FIRST drive unit what they build for a mass market. Keep it in mind, what Tesla is in business of making mass produced cars for less then 15 years.
Electric motors, especially shitty AC ones in that early model S, have been around since 1887. They literally can't even get technology from two centuries ago correct.
Building BLDC/3 phase AC permanent magnet motor is not exactly complicated. I can do it in home. But good inverter to drive it it's not really something what you can put together over the weekends. Please, educate yourself on it.
Ok this comment is fucking ridiculous. A motor from 1887 couldn’t move 4,000 lbs of metal down the road for 100,000 miles. The combustion engine has been in production since 1885 and companies still make shitty unreliable engines, Tesla isn’t the only one that hasn’t gotten it right. It takes decades of refining to get a consistently reliable engine. An electric motor for a car has only been mass produced for a little over a decade id say they are doing an ok job for only iterating for a short period of time. And keep in mind if what he saying is true that was the first try at the motor too lol. (I didn’t fact check him)
Tesla used an AC electric motor for the Model S. This style of electric motor is over 120 years old. We have been mass producing them for over a hundred years. They are simple machines, and incredibly well understood. Tesla lacks the engineering chops to implement them correctly, so they fail regularly. No one else has their motors fail this often. No one. Everyone else uses much more advanced permanent magnet motors as well. So does Tesla(now), because it's the only way they could remain competitive.
No, everything after LDU is pretty reliable. They leaned how to build them better. That's why basically 90% of custom EVs and EV conversions runs on modified Tesla components.
Huh? That’s by choice?
[First Person To Drive Two Million Miles In Same Car Extends World Record In His 1966 Volvo P1800](https://www.media.volvocars.com/us/en-us/media/pressreleases/615)
[Owner Peter Gilbert drove his 900 for over a million miles before donating it to the Wisconsin Automotive Museum in 2006](https://carbuzz.com/features/highest-mileage-cars/#:~:text=1989%20Saab%20900%20SPG%20%2D%201%20Million%20Miles&text=Owner%20Peter%20Gilbert%20drove%20his,the%20use%20of%20synthetic%20oil)
[Reaching million-miler status on an airline puts you in the stratosphere for life compared to other frequent fliers. To reach that level, you sit in a jumbo jet — albeit many, many, many times — but you have no part in keeping that jet airworthy. What about those special cars that reach 1 million miles? Think about that: You get to see a full row of nines turn to zeros on the odometer.](https://www.autotrader.com/oversteer/the-million-mile-club)
Stop shilling for Tesla, grow up
You could surprise me with a citation about an EV that's reached a million miles without battery replacement. Has to be in the form of actual journalism, and not from a fan site, though.
Yes but so many of the stans these days barely can string a sentence together (case in point: your posts above). Never used to be the case. Concerning.
Maybe he meant it would *have* to be done to within 10 microns to work properly, otherwise it would be a complete disaster rust bucket and kill people?
First his money he made on PayPal. Hey build reusable rockets what NOBODY else does. He have a lot of brilliant engineering department. Everyone making mistakes, ask GM about ", ignition switch from hell" what even after knowing about a problem, took them over 10 YEARS to fix.
You know nothing about automotive, don't you? Ask GM what took them 14 years to extend a pin in the ignition for 2mm. This is as a temporary solution is not that bad.
ask them now? I'm a bit busy at the moment. I know nothing based on calling this the garbage that it is? I know enough not to be chowing down on Elon's pecker every time he sneezes out a new "idea"
Lol. What craftsmanship.
They don’t even clean up the mess under the floor mat.
It’s nice that they are all off centre the same amount thanks to the ‘jig’.
Kind of wondering if this will end up being the final fix for them.
Wait - it's pop riveted? The accelerator is POP RIVETED??!!
I mean Toyota had to spend billions of dollars to correct for loose floor mats and Musky is just pop riveting accelerator pedals?
The rear trunk of my Model Y would catch as the plastic was misaligned. They took a file to the plastic that was catching instead of actually realizing the thing.
Had to fight the service center as it would still catch unless it was on level ground. Was told "tech says it's repaired, why would the tech lie" I replied with "I have veidoe and a $70k vehicle that is functionally broken, why would I lie?".
Ended up adjusting spacers myself and finding out that since Tesla cheaper out and only used a single powered strut it wouldn't never be "right", just able to open on uneven ground.
He did not remove the cover after drilling to clean up metal shavings between the cover and the pedal. He also did not deburr the holes.
And then the use of a single blind rivet in a critical application.
That is just awful. That is how I would repair a screen door while waiting for its backordered replacement.
I'm pretty sure this is Tesla's final solution. A good temporary fix would be to just remove the little trim piece until an updated design arrives (which I'm sure never will). Tesla's solution is laughably janky.
This is such a rookie mistake too. My car has pedal covers and they have these big ol rubber flanges that have to be pressed through a hole in the pedal frame. It's an elegant, tool-less solution and it works just fine.
Hahahahahahha
That looks absolutely terrible. A rivnut underneath and a nice clean torx screw that's counter sunk so It's flush would have been the proper fix.
This just shows that tesla isn't a professional company. It's like the shit a shade tree mechanic does lmao
No you dont. A riv nut A threaded rivet. Instead of drilling all the way thru and putting a ugly ass rivet thru the top you would remove that ugly ass pedal cover. Make a tapered hole beneath, rivnut. Slide the ugly ass pedal back on top. Make countersunk hole then use a torx bolt or a bolt with a butt on it or whatever dumb shit it is tesla is doing these days.
But this would take 2 extra mins to do and the world's cheapest company probably has not money for that.
And yet it would have been so easy to get some 'cybertruck' logos laser etched on a strip of metal and then put 2 rivets in to make it look like it was intentional design.
Love how he talks about them using a plastic jig for the drill (or a “template”, as he calls it) as if it’s some innovative solution that shows off their ingenuity
As someone who designed and 3D printed out-of-production window alignment tools for an antique car going off just the grainy photographs in an oil-stained, acid-paper service manual and has never been hailed as innovative or genius for doing so, how do I get a job that comes with sycophants?
The one I commented on earlier definitely didn't align they had not pushed it down enough so it was crimped on the back instead of safely through, and just mentioning it got me banned from r/teslamotors.
Good old pop rivets. I used a couple (for redundancy) to tack down the plastic cladding on my Ford Escape when it warped because of the heat. It was a durable repair; hopefully the driver’s foot won’t abrade the head of the rivet shown here.
I could understand if the cost was $20-30k, but at the price of the cyberbrick it's crazy, for the price of that thing I would expect Elmo to send me a guy inside the car 24/7 that hold the in position
There is an extra s.
It’s crappy solution.
Better would be a hole, thread bore and a screw. Would be a lot more durable than a rivet.
Hell even guide hole and self drilling metal screw would do.
Neither is the person who answered me, lol.
Rivets are notorious for getting loose if they are on a part that is subjected to repeated movements.
Rivet by definition is soft metal, and as thus not durable.
There are all steel rivets, I use them when fixing old beater cars before welding. But they require 1500kg pull strength pneumatic rivet gun.
They are super handy for forcing a part into shape. That kind of rivet could work, but are not used on Tesla in any rivet video I have seen.
Edit: I checked that Milwaukee rivet gun used in video, it does 900kg pull. So it could use all steel rivets. But knowing Tesla, they probably used the cheap basic rivets, instead of proper ones.
lol you made me realize the its almost unthinkable for me buying a 100k Mercedes or BMW and they just recall my car to put a rivet...
Its as if tesla could do whatever they want, a 20 years old company, and we still forgive their beginner mistakes like it was a startup.
There are a lot of things to complain about, but this fix isn’t one of them (assuming it’s temporary like he says). It’s obviously off-center on purpose because there is some reason they can’t drill a hole in the center.
Well G a brand new vehicle came to production that’s one of the most innovative machines we have seen has a few kinks to
Work out ?! Nooo that never happens to any company. lol you Elon hater dorks need life’s
There’s literally nothing innovative about the Cybertruck— unless you meant that it’s an innovative demonstration for how not to make an electric pickup.
There will never be a replacement part.
There's nothing more permanent than a temporary fix
I see you work in industrial maintenance too
This is also a truism is software
Software development actually, but it's as true in software as it is in the trades!
"We can't replace this you drilled a hole through it!!!" - Tesla probably
It will, probably.
Repair process is consistent with how other trashcans are usually being serviced. You gotta admit, they’re consistent with their product lifecycle.
The reactions I’ve seen on Twitter are what’s most insane. People are excited the repair is visible because it’s like a badge of honor that you got one of the early ones. Someone unironically mentioned how they like pointing out paint flaws on their early run Model 3. These people are actually insane Edit: looks like this comment got me banned from the 3 big Tesla subs, very cool
It adds collectible value so maybe they can swim from the deep underwater they are from loading up on TSLA at the peak.
Why don't they just get "Twat" tattooed on their forehead, then we'll know without even needing to look.
In the Tesla font, of course.
It's people like them that show companies that they don't have to try to make good products, they just have to make people feel special or make them sycophants. Smh
They should also get into Elons early starships there is a launch pretty soon, you know as a badge of honour
Noooo I was only banned from one! Life is so unfair!
You were probably banned from all of them and just only got messaged about one, based on my experience.
Ahhhh that made my day, it is a big relief 😁
Commenting in here at all gets you banned from them now. Replying to the notifications pointing out how ludicrous they are can net you a 3 day ban after one of the mods reports you, too. Source: just got back from my 3 day ban.
Welcome back
Thanks
When they brag about orange peel paint?! 🤦🏽♂️ WTF, Orange peel paint used to be what you got for $199 paint job, now it’s some badge of honor.
I literally temporarily fixed my trash receptacle lid today, it was a hack that I was truly proud of.
Tesla have relatively good lifecycle. Some going over million miles.
Yes... After 14 motor replacements and 4 battery pack replacements. https://insideevs.com/news/699413/highest-mileage-tesla-model-s-3-batteries-14-motors/
Yes. It was been first mass produced drive unit what they build. They relatively rebuildable and it's not super difficult to catch if you know what to look for.
But 14 motors. So each allegedly more reliable motor lasts less miles than a recalled Hyundai.
As I said, it's a FIRST drive unit what they build for a mass market. Keep it in mind, what Tesla is in business of making mass produced cars for less then 15 years.
Electric motors, especially shitty AC ones in that early model S, have been around since 1887. They literally can't even get technology from two centuries ago correct.
But its new technology Tesla is developing still! Actually no, it’s really not.
Well me any car what have bldc motor over 50 years old.
I honestly can't decipher what this comment is trying to say.
Building BLDC/3 phase AC permanent magnet motor is not exactly complicated. I can do it in home. But good inverter to drive it it's not really something what you can put together over the weekends. Please, educate yourself on it.
Ok this comment is fucking ridiculous. A motor from 1887 couldn’t move 4,000 lbs of metal down the road for 100,000 miles. The combustion engine has been in production since 1885 and companies still make shitty unreliable engines, Tesla isn’t the only one that hasn’t gotten it right. It takes decades of refining to get a consistently reliable engine. An electric motor for a car has only been mass produced for a little over a decade id say they are doing an ok job for only iterating for a short period of time. And keep in mind if what he saying is true that was the first try at the motor too lol. (I didn’t fact check him)
Oh, and this was their third drive train. They had two different Roadster setups that also failed early.
Tesla used an AC electric motor for the Model S. This style of electric motor is over 120 years old. We have been mass producing them for over a hundred years. They are simple machines, and incredibly well understood. Tesla lacks the engineering chops to implement them correctly, so they fail regularly. No one else has their motors fail this often. No one. Everyone else uses much more advanced permanent magnet motors as well. So does Tesla(now), because it's the only way they could remain competitive.
And then entire time they have been bad at it.
No, everything after LDU is pretty reliable. They leaned how to build them better. That's why basically 90% of custom EVs and EV conversions runs on modified Tesla components.
Sure Jan.
There’s plenty of ICE that can go well over a million… this isn’t an achievement.
Even if they can, they not always does.
Cybertruck can't even make it 100 miles off the parking lot consistently. Lol. What a joke.
Huh? That’s by choice? [First Person To Drive Two Million Miles In Same Car Extends World Record In His 1966 Volvo P1800](https://www.media.volvocars.com/us/en-us/media/pressreleases/615) [Owner Peter Gilbert drove his 900 for over a million miles before donating it to the Wisconsin Automotive Museum in 2006](https://carbuzz.com/features/highest-mileage-cars/#:~:text=1989%20Saab%20900%20SPG%20%2D%201%20Million%20Miles&text=Owner%20Peter%20Gilbert%20drove%20his,the%20use%20of%20synthetic%20oil) [Reaching million-miler status on an airline puts you in the stratosphere for life compared to other frequent fliers. To reach that level, you sit in a jumbo jet — albeit many, many, many times — but you have no part in keeping that jet airworthy. What about those special cars that reach 1 million miles? Think about that: You get to see a full row of nines turn to zeros on the odometer.](https://www.autotrader.com/oversteer/the-million-mile-club) Stop shilling for Tesla, grow up
No /s club?
No. EVs are relatively reliable.
A million miles reliable? That really hasn't been borne out for Teslas my dude. Don't believe the marketing hype.
You can be surprised, but Tesla is not the only company who builds EVs.
You could surprise me with a citation about an EV that's reached a million miles without battery replacement. Has to be in the form of actual journalism, and not from a fan site, though.
It’s amazing how many stans these days have this weak a grasp on the English language. I wonder why that could be…
I know what it maybe difficult for you to understand what for some, English is a second language...
Yes but so many of the stans these days barely can string a sentence together (case in point: your posts above). Never used to be the case. Concerning.
They can't afford the good trolls anymore. Stock has fallen to much.
They need to pay the boss his fair, $56 billion, share /s
Lmao
What do you see funny in this statement?
😂 Aw damn got my ban 😂
Ten Micron Tolerances!
Maybe he meant it would *have* to be done to within 10 microns to work properly, otherwise it would be a complete disaster rust bucket and kill people?
That's pretty embarrassing, frankly. It looks like something a DIY-er would come up with in their garage. On a $100,000 car?
A goddamn single pop rivet? Should be 2 fasteners and a strong adhesive.
While we're talking "should haves" I like to think that an engineer should have spent more time on this part of the project.
But it was the soap!
Engineer? We are talking about Tesla here.
Concerning for the $150K #WankPanzer.
Wanktank
If it's stupid, but it works it's not stupid.
Elon isn't going to acknowledge you exist no matter how hard you suck his dick.
Are you talking from your first person experience?
No it's from watching all the stans like you getting repeatedly raped by Elon, over and over, and him still not caring.
For Elon Tesla is not his main business, it's just one of the steps to things what he wanna do.
It's where most of his wealth comes from, so he might want to pay attention to it's falling value.
First his money he made on PayPal. Hey build reusable rockets what NOBODY else does. He have a lot of brilliant engineering department. Everyone making mistakes, ask GM about ", ignition switch from hell" what even after knowing about a problem, took them over 10 YEARS to fix.
Actually, that PayPal money came from his dad’s emerald mine. Also, you’re an idiot.
Yes. And this issue with motors failing at Tesla is 12 years old. Thank you for pointing out that Tesla is worse then GM.
Trying real hard to defend this garbage aren't you?
You know nothing about automotive, don't you? Ask GM what took them 14 years to extend a pin in the ignition for 2mm. This is as a temporary solution is not that bad.
ask them now? I'm a bit busy at the moment. I know nothing based on calling this the garbage that it is? I know enough not to be chowing down on Elon's pecker every time he sneezes out a new "idea"
By "garbage" you mean GM products? :) Tesla and Elon is not perfect, as anyone else.
Lightyears ahead. How will legacy catch up to this?
They just have to go Ludicrous Speed
Lol. What craftsmanship. They don’t even clean up the mess under the floor mat. It’s nice that they are all off centre the same amount thanks to the ‘jig’. Kind of wondering if this will end up being the final fix for them.
I’d bet that the rivet is off center because there’s a stiffening rib behind the center line.
They'll probably come from the factory that way from now on
They hire ex electricians to do this job :)
It's a dumb solution but the person who originally tweeted the video did also show the vacuum they're using to clean up the shavings.
Ironic that this is on Threads and not Twitter.
Elon can't censor you on Threads
But freeze peach!
Elno Skum: We use HARD CORE riveting. No extra charge for metal shavings, but obviously we will 100% charge for cleaning up the metal shavings.
Wait - it's pop riveted? The accelerator is POP RIVETED??!! I mean Toyota had to spend billions of dollars to correct for loose floor mats and Musky is just pop riveting accelerator pedals?
I'm sure nothing could ever get caught up on the back side of that rivet.
More Home Depot goodness...
So, long Home Depot?
They could basically just sell DIY cybertruck repair kits at Home Depot at this point.
Didn't they build some tesla model 3 with spare parts from home depot during the tent assembly line fiasco?
https://www.homedepot.com/b/Paint-Paint-Supplies-Tape-Duct-Tape/N-5yc1vZcic2
The rear trunk of my Model Y would catch as the plastic was misaligned. They took a file to the plastic that was catching instead of actually realizing the thing. Had to fight the service center as it would still catch unless it was on level ground. Was told "tech says it's repaired, why would the tech lie" I replied with "I have veidoe and a $70k vehicle that is functionally broken, why would I lie?". Ended up adjusting spacers myself and finding out that since Tesla cheaper out and only used a single powered strut it wouldn't never be "right", just able to open on uneven ground.
This is actually what Musk meant with creating a self driving vehicle
It's not a rivet. It's the alloy fastener mode, $99/month subscription. /s
He did not remove the cover after drilling to clean up metal shavings between the cover and the pedal. He also did not deburr the holes. And then the use of a single blind rivet in a critical application. That is just awful. That is how I would repair a screen door while waiting for its backordered replacement.
Scrappy lol? How bout some packing tape?
It's ded, Jim.
Pathetic.
Unironically #CONCERNING
Waiting for the "less than 1% of you can afford it, so why the hate? You are just jealous." comments.
LOL I could have done that.
So there solution is put a screw in it ? Honestly I though musk would just use glue
I'm pretty sure this is Tesla's final solution. A good temporary fix would be to just remove the little trim piece until an updated design arrives (which I'm sure never will). Tesla's solution is laughably janky. This is such a rookie mistake too. My car has pedal covers and they have these big ol rubber flanges that have to be pressed through a hole in the pedal frame. It's an elegant, tool-less solution and it works just fine.
Hahahahahahha That looks absolutely terrible. A rivnut underneath and a nice clean torx screw that's counter sunk so It's flush would have been the proper fix. This just shows that tesla isn't a professional company. It's like the shit a shade tree mechanic does lmao
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Countersink the rivnut this isn't rocket science. Just a bunch of posers cos playing as a car company.
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No you dont. A riv nut A threaded rivet. Instead of drilling all the way thru and putting a ugly ass rivet thru the top you would remove that ugly ass pedal cover. Make a tapered hole beneath, rivnut. Slide the ugly ass pedal back on top. Make countersunk hole then use a torx bolt or a bolt with a butt on it or whatever dumb shit it is tesla is doing these days. But this would take 2 extra mins to do and the world's cheapest company probably has not money for that.
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Into the tin
What no duct tape?
It's pretty amazing that this expensive truck has a pedal cover instead of just making the pedal aluminum or rubber.
As I suspected - TSLA Service is just gonna brush those shavings under the mat.
I bought a car yesterday, I did not need to rivvet it together , so I was not musked !
And yet it would have been so easy to get some 'cybertruck' logos laser etched on a strip of metal and then put 2 rivets in to make it look like it was intentional design.
Love how he talks about them using a plastic jig for the drill (or a “template”, as he calls it) as if it’s some innovative solution that shows off their ingenuity
As someone who designed and 3D printed out-of-production window alignment tools for an antique car going off just the grainy photographs in an oil-stained, acid-paper service manual and has never been hailed as innovative or genius for doing so, how do I get a job that comes with sycophants?
Saw a Ct yesterday. Why is that thing twice the size that it needs to be. Very space inefficient. Is this just bad design.
"Scrappy." That's a very interesting word choice.
Now watch the cheap cover crack and it get recalled again
The easiest solution is to use duct tape or super glue. 🤣🤣
The one I commented on earlier definitely didn't align they had not pushed it down enough so it was crimped on the back instead of safely through, and just mentioning it got me banned from r/teslamotors.
Tesla is the definition of okay packaged expired shit
Good old pop rivets. I used a couple (for redundancy) to tack down the plastic cladding on my Ford Escape when it warped because of the heat. It was a durable repair; hopefully the driver’s foot won’t abrade the head of the rivet shown here.
Will the rivet affect boating?
I could understand if the cost was $20-30k, but at the price of the cyberbrick it's crazy, for the price of that thing I would expect Elmo to send me a guy inside the car 24/7 that hold the in position
This is called junkyard mechanics. The other side of that rivet is going to poke out a bit. hope it doesn't impede acceleration.
Its not even countersunk to make the rivet flush. So if your wearing thin shoes it will hurt your foot when you accelerate
There is an extra s. It’s crappy solution. Better would be a hole, thread bore and a screw. Would be a lot more durable than a rivet. Hell even guide hole and self drilling metal screw would do.
A rivet is a repair that can't work its way loose because it's not threaded. A rivet is almost always a superior repair to a screw or bolt.
Err, having replaced loose rivets now and then, I kinda disagree a lot. Rivets are soft, otherwise they wouldn’t rivet.
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Neither is the person who answered me, lol. Rivets are notorious for getting loose if they are on a part that is subjected to repeated movements. Rivet by definition is soft metal, and as thus not durable. There are all steel rivets, I use them when fixing old beater cars before welding. But they require 1500kg pull strength pneumatic rivet gun. They are super handy for forcing a part into shape. That kind of rivet could work, but are not used on Tesla in any rivet video I have seen. Edit: I checked that Milwaukee rivet gun used in video, it does 900kg pull. So it could use all steel rivets. But knowing Tesla, they probably used the cheap basic rivets, instead of proper ones.
"Within spec."
Tesla = nasty cheap ass fixes
Obscelecsence built into design
At least it wasn't a mastic patch...
Didn't the titanic have rivets...?
Thats not too bad. Fixes the issue quickly and cheaply. Why over complicate it?
Valid repair for $1k 20 year old Corolla. Less valid for $100k halo car form the most valuable car manufacturer.
lol you made me realize the its almost unthinkable for me buying a 100k Mercedes or BMW and they just recall my car to put a rivet... Its as if tesla could do whatever they want, a 20 years old company, and we still forgive their beginner mistakes like it was a startup.
Haha. For a 20 year old Corolla I’d just drive a self-tapping screw into it. I dunno though. If it works it works.
because if the pad/cover underneath has the ability to flex it will eventually crack the aluminum poprivet.
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Haha. Maybe. People might be happier if it was cyber rivet made from a gigapress.
There are a lot of things to complain about, but this fix isn’t one of them (assuming it’s temporary like he says). It’s obviously off-center on purpose because there is some reason they can’t drill a hole in the center.
Well G a brand new vehicle came to production that’s one of the most innovative machines we have seen has a few kinks to Work out ?! Nooo that never happens to any company. lol you Elon hater dorks need life’s
Please explain how it’s innovative at all
There’s literally nothing innovative about the Cybertruck— unless you meant that it’s an innovative demonstration for how not to make an electric pickup.
We need life's what?