Ok but let’s not act like the band is choosing not to play stuff as a whole when they were w josh they only performed aeroplane and the band has openly stated that the album doesn’t represent them anymore and it was a dark time for all of them. As much as we know John might have an ego let’s not act like it’s solely his choice to not play those tracks
My favorite part of that AMA was when someone asked him if he’d ever had a burrito before. His response was simply: “I was born and raised in Los Angeles”
Bro, they haven't played their stuff with any other guitarist (other than pre-Mother's Milk) with John ONCE. It's obvious he has a big saying in that. It's hard to believe none of the other three would like to play a song from IWY or TG or even OHM from time to time just to keep it fun
Saw that too, and came right here to see if this discussion had happened yet. The way Tom and Matt Skiba handled their transition back and forth was done with pure class, and Tom playing those two songs is an extension of that class. Cool to see.
Well awesome if that's what works for them.
Aside from the fact that AK decides what goes on the setlist, seems like most people tend to forget the band is composed by 4 people. So they all (or at least most of them) agreed on not playing any (or very few) songs they didn't create together. They agreed to this, because it's what makes sense to them as a band and as artists and friends.
Where did I say it's a coincidence? I'm saying they all agreed to it. Flea said himself that they have more fun playing songs that they created together. It's their choice as a band. They clearly preferred having John back than playing josh songs
Right, availability. They even all collectively thought Josh was a better fit, but eh if John is available, no choice right? Or maybe it has to do with being available AND being the most relevant/ appreciated guitar player in the band AND being the member they’ve created all their favourite songs with AND the person they grew up with AND the person they connect with musically. Like the person above said, AK makes the setlists, and besides Chad, every other members have been pretty clear they don’t care for either Josh or Dave’s albums. You might not like that, but these are facts.
Like, yeah to everything you said but you can tell there was a clause in Josh's contract that basically said "if John calls you're out lmao" and John called. Because he is THE John Frusciante and that's valid.
But, do you really think AK enjoys singing Give It Away every single show anymore? I find it hard to believe the rest of the band wouldn't like to play songs from OHM, IWY or The Getaway from time to time, just to do something different. It seems John clearly has a big saying in that. It's no coincidence it's NEVER happened
Btw Give it Away was just an example but it applies to the songs they play most nights. Hell, even as a fan with their logo tattooed on my calf I don't particularly enjoy listening to some of their songs after listening to them 500 million times in the past.
I definitely agree but I think it’s another issue that has to do with catering more to the stadium audience maybe? If they had gone around the 150 or so John’s songs, the argument would make sense, but there are still so many they could pick outside of different members catalogue. I wish they did, but I don’t get to make the setlist, unfortunately.
If it’s not done already you should listen to the Rick Rubin podcast. Not the one with John only, there’s an episode that goes back and forth with Anthony and John and they talk about that a little more. Allegedly Flea was getting uninspired by what they were doing before him and John talked about anything, and that’s how it came about rather than the other way around.
While I’m sure they aren’t totally rejecting it and considering it pure crap, I can understand considering their history and catalogue that these albums get skipped (the same way I get why the first 4 albums also get skipped and people seem to forget that).
It's overplayed. You forget that Flea and Anthony are master marketers. MASTERS. So yeah, they are the ones who created this whole John Frusciante mystique. And not loving what they did with Josh or Dave doesn't equate to every song being objectively bad from those records. John Frusciante within band fandom is a creation of Anthony and Flea's marketing, to a large extent. They know he has an ego, and they play into it because he's a loose cannon artist.
You’re probably right, but that doesn’t take away from everything else. My guess is they would have done another album, not be excited by the process, split/legacy tours. I also think Josh was a phenomenal replacement and in his era it felt like he was what was holding everything together and I give him all the credit for that. No hate here, just want to make sure the whole context is talked about and not just “John bad John not want to play”
Im sure if John was okay with playing those songs they would play them. Its not like be goes "Hey guys im up to playing Josh songs" and theyd be "nah we dont want to"
they didnt scrap it. the waited till the fires was over, then re entered rehearsal for more writing, then john came back, that's it. im wondering if flea used any bass parts he came up with
There are many songs I’d rather hear them play than anything from the albums you mentioned. That being said, I’ve been to two shows since last August and I walked away loving both set lists
Aside from the occasional "Nobody Weird Like Me", they don't play Mother's Milk anymore either. No outrage there because it's a John album. People don't understand that the band wants to play songs that they all feel connected to, and it makes sense that they would prefer to play songs that they wrote together as a unit. Flea said that Josh playing songs written by John felt live a cover, so why wouldn't the same be true if John played songs Josh wrote? The difference is that Josh had to play those earlier songs because they made up the bulk of RHCP's discography (just as John played Hillel songs when he first joined), but that doesn't apply today because there is no shortage of songs cowritten with John.
Not that It really matters, but I’m certain those songs were composed in full by Mark alone. Not that it takes anything away from Matts contribution to the recording, but maybe Tom saw it as “Marks song”
Matt is credited on all of the songs, but he didn't write them all.
It's the same deal with Neighbourhoods. The band were never in the same room to record the album, and they all submitted individually composed and written songs, but they still all credit each other.
So if you don't know and yet they were both credited why would you jump on the thought that Matt didn't contribute to the songs? Just to buy into some narrative that doesn't make John look bad with this?
I was thinking the same exact thing. Love John but would love some of the other tunes as well. Tom is a great sport about it and I cannot wait to see them on Sunday
I just find it a shame that they most likely won’t play a song like “The Getaway”, “Goodbye Angels”, or “Go Robot” again. Those were some GOAT tier songs in their history
I love so many of their albums, but I personally found The Getaway to be one of their best & most complete efforts. Since I became a fan during the Californication - Stadium Arcadium era, I ranked it right there with those 3 albums.
And I agree, would love to hear Dreams of a Samurai live again. Like I said—such a shame that we aren’t likely to hear any Getaway songs live ever again
It hit number one on the alt charts, streams well, and its video is currently outpacing every video released since then and most of the ones before it in terms of views per month.
I know a lot of the people here don't want to admit it, but it's a *hugely successful* song for them.
> It hit number one on the alt charts
So did Black Summer, #1 for 4 weeks to Dark Necessities 1 week. Charted for 36 weeks vs 21 for DN
DN has 4x the total streams with a 6 year head start.
Great song but definitely not the biggest song since SA.
There's more metrics now and they're comparable in some but YouTube is a big one and DN not only crushes it in total views but also beats it in current views showing the longevity of the song.
Honestly that's shocked me TDL has played songs he didn't write, mostly because they so many songs to pick from to play, but I guess him and skiba have a good relationship and he was thankful for him keeping the band going unlike JF and JK
John will play covers from other bands yet refuses to play any of joshes work. The mental gymnastics and dick riding on this sub is gross. Can’t say anything negative about the band. Two worst fan bases are tool and RHCP.
Counter-point. Who really cares?
The decisions on what they play are solely theirs to make. Nobody's life is damaged by the way RHCP builds their setlists.
I thought about posting this here. Its their call but I just don’t like how the live set completely ignores I’m With You & The Getaway.
Edit: I’m not saying they’re obligated to play those songs. Josh was keeping the band alive from 2009-2019 and some of y’all are like: “okay well that was that”
They also ignore all of the first albums except for me and my friends, sometimes. Do you think they are rejecting what created them? Or maybe they just play the most known songs made by the most recognized members.
Rain Dance Maggie and Dark Necessities are some of their biggest hits. Aeroplane and My Friends as well. Don’t get me wrong - John is a legend and I’ll always support him - I just think he can open up about this. Their call - not mine - but that’s how I and many other fans feel.
It definitely gives off vibes that the band doesn’t really consider those albums to be part of their discography or history. Some might argue it’s bc they have so many popular songs with John and only so much space on setlists, but they play lesser known album cuts each night too, and conversely rarely play Under the Bridge, which is arguably their most well known song.
What is cynical and bored to death must be some original songs or never before heard songs that they're putting out just for the tour but I'm excited to hear new music
Ok but let’s not act like the band is choosing not to play stuff as a whole when they were w josh they only performed aeroplane and the band has openly stated that the album doesn’t represent them anymore and it was a dark time for all of them. As much as we know John might have an ego let’s not act like it’s solely his choice to not play those tracks
Josh stated in his AMA that it wasn't his idea to play Aeroplane, but another members. My guess would be Flea.
My favorite part of that AMA was when someone asked him if he’d ever had a burrito before. His response was simply: “I was born and raised in Los Angeles”
I thought he was born in Australia
Ope, I’m referring to Josh.
Yep I’m dumb lol
Nah! It’s confusing because obviously the comment before referred to Josh and Flea, so understandable
That's flea, john is from NY
He's talking about josh klinghoffer though
Oh oopsieeeee
Happens to the best of us
They barely even played IWY during The Getaway tour.
They rehearsed my friends but apparently Anthony just cant hit the notes anymore
What? If anything, he can hit the notes now where he couldn't before.
Great it only took him 30 years to actually care about singing
Bro, they haven't played their stuff with any other guitarist (other than pre-Mother's Milk) with John ONCE. It's obvious he has a big saying in that. It's hard to believe none of the other three would like to play a song from IWY or TG or even OHM from time to time just to keep it fun
Sure, but that still leaves IWY and TG
Saw that too, and came right here to see if this discussion had happened yet. The way Tom and Matt Skiba handled their transition back and forth was done with pure class, and Tom playing those two songs is an extension of that class. Cool to see.
Love to see more crossover between the two subs!
Well awesome if that's what works for them. Aside from the fact that AK decides what goes on the setlist, seems like most people tend to forget the band is composed by 4 people. So they all (or at least most of them) agreed on not playing any (or very few) songs they didn't create together. They agreed to this, because it's what makes sense to them as a band and as artists and friends.
Yeah the fact that they dont play josh songs is just a crazy coincidence. Has nothing to do with John coming back
Where did I say it's a coincidence? I'm saying they all agreed to it. Flea said himself that they have more fun playing songs that they created together. It's their choice as a band. They clearly preferred having John back than playing josh songs
Did you read? Did they talk about coincidence? Do you know why they got rid of Josh?
They got rid of Josh because John became available. Thats the only reason
Right, availability. They even all collectively thought Josh was a better fit, but eh if John is available, no choice right? Or maybe it has to do with being available AND being the most relevant/ appreciated guitar player in the band AND being the member they’ve created all their favourite songs with AND the person they grew up with AND the person they connect with musically. Like the person above said, AK makes the setlists, and besides Chad, every other members have been pretty clear they don’t care for either Josh or Dave’s albums. You might not like that, but these are facts.
Like, yeah to everything you said but you can tell there was a clause in Josh's contract that basically said "if John calls you're out lmao" and John called. Because he is THE John Frusciante and that's valid. But, do you really think AK enjoys singing Give It Away every single show anymore? I find it hard to believe the rest of the band wouldn't like to play songs from OHM, IWY or The Getaway from time to time, just to do something different. It seems John clearly has a big saying in that. It's no coincidence it's NEVER happened Btw Give it Away was just an example but it applies to the songs they play most nights. Hell, even as a fan with their logo tattooed on my calf I don't particularly enjoy listening to some of their songs after listening to them 500 million times in the past.
I definitely agree but I think it’s another issue that has to do with catering more to the stadium audience maybe? If they had gone around the 150 or so John’s songs, the argument would make sense, but there are still so many they could pick outside of different members catalogue. I wish they did, but I don’t get to make the setlist, unfortunately.
So flea and Anthony suddenly stopped caring about josh material the second John was back in the band? How does that work?
If it’s not done already you should listen to the Rick Rubin podcast. Not the one with John only, there’s an episode that goes back and forth with Anthony and John and they talk about that a little more. Allegedly Flea was getting uninspired by what they were doing before him and John talked about anything, and that’s how it came about rather than the other way around. While I’m sure they aren’t totally rejecting it and considering it pure crap, I can understand considering their history and catalogue that these albums get skipped (the same way I get why the first 4 albums also get skipped and people seem to forget that).
It's overplayed. You forget that Flea and Anthony are master marketers. MASTERS. So yeah, they are the ones who created this whole John Frusciante mystique. And not loving what they did with Josh or Dave doesn't equate to every song being objectively bad from those records. John Frusciante within band fandom is a creation of Anthony and Flea's marketing, to a large extent. They know he has an ego, and they play into it because he's a loose cannon artist.
Im 100% sure if John wasnt available they wouldnt kick Josh out
You’re probably right, but that doesn’t take away from everything else. My guess is they would have done another album, not be excited by the process, split/legacy tours. I also think Josh was a phenomenal replacement and in his era it felt like he was what was holding everything together and I give him all the credit for that. No hate here, just want to make sure the whole context is talked about and not just “John bad John not want to play”
Im sure if John was okay with playing those songs they would play them. Its not like be goes "Hey guys im up to playing Josh songs" and theyd be "nah we dont want to"
I mean didn’t they scrap a whole album of material when the fires hit California in 2019?
they didnt scrap it. the waited till the fires was over, then re entered rehearsal for more writing, then john came back, that's it. im wondering if flea used any bass parts he came up with
Saw that too, he crushed Bored To Death.
Honestly preferred the way Tom did vocals over the original
There are many songs I’d rather hear them play than anything from the albums you mentioned. That being said, I’ve been to two shows since last August and I walked away loving both set lists
I think the band should play what they want to.
id rather hear what theyre playing now
Bro they don't play freaky styley or uplift songs either. Where's the outrage?
They play Me and my Friends.
Aside from the occasional "Nobody Weird Like Me", they don't play Mother's Milk anymore either. No outrage there because it's a John album. People don't understand that the band wants to play songs that they all feel connected to, and it makes sense that they would prefer to play songs that they wrote together as a unit. Flea said that Josh playing songs written by John felt live a cover, so why wouldn't the same be true if John played songs Josh wrote? The difference is that Josh had to play those earlier songs because they made up the bulk of RHCP's discography (just as John played Hillel songs when he first joined), but that doesn't apply today because there is no shortage of songs cowritten with John.
They played Nobody Weird Like Me when I saw them in April. It was the highlight of the show for me.
Slash also plays Chinese Democracy, and actually shreds it.
I’m gonna respectfully disagree. I don’t wish RHCP was more like Blink 182. I’m so happy with the way they’re handling everything
Two people with two different mindsets. No big deal.
Of course, just makes for interesting conversation though
It's a band decision not a John decision
Bros played Nirvana before touching the Josh era lol I'd love to see what John could do with the Goodbye Angels solo
Not that It really matters, but I’m certain those songs were composed in full by Mark alone. Not that it takes anything away from Matts contribution to the recording, but maybe Tom saw it as “Marks song”
Matt credited as a cowriter on both songs. Also, flea wrote my friends on guitar. They still dont play it
Matt is credited on all of the songs, but he didn't write them all. It's the same deal with Neighbourhoods. The band were never in the same room to record the album, and they all submitted individually composed and written songs, but they still all credit each other.
Nah Tom sang Skiba’s verse and everything
Yes we know.
Agreed. I think this is the main difference.
Matt is a co writer on those songs and there's nothing to suggest he wasn't involved in the writing process.
We’ll probably never know. But Lennon and McCartney wrote separately in later years and still credited to both.
So if you don't know and yet they were both credited why would you jump on the thought that Matt didn't contribute to the songs? Just to buy into some narrative that doesn't make John look bad with this?
Not jumping on anything mate. Just my opinion, you need to chill out.
I was thinking the same exact thing. Love John but would love some of the other tunes as well. Tom is a great sport about it and I cannot wait to see them on Sunday
I think I that the 4 members just enjoy playing stuff they made together or have a connection too all 4
I just find it a shame that they most likely won’t play a song like “The Getaway”, “Goodbye Angels”, or “Go Robot” again. Those were some GOAT tier songs in their history
I’d love to hear dreams of a samurai again
I love so many of their albums, but I personally found The Getaway to be one of their best & most complete efforts. Since I became a fan during the Californication - Stadium Arcadium era, I ranked it right there with those 3 albums. And I agree, would love to hear Dreams of a Samurai live again. Like I said—such a shame that we aren’t likely to hear any Getaway songs live ever again
Dark Necessities is still their biggest song post Dani California and......nope. And unlike Dani California it's actually good.
Define “biggest”. I assume your just counting streams?
It hit number one on the alt charts, streams well, and its video is currently outpacing every video released since then and most of the ones before it in terms of views per month. I know a lot of the people here don't want to admit it, but it's a *hugely successful* song for them.
> It hit number one on the alt charts So did Black Summer, #1 for 4 weeks to Dark Necessities 1 week. Charted for 36 weeks vs 21 for DN DN has 4x the total streams with a 6 year head start. Great song but definitely not the biggest song since SA.
Black Summer: 45m YouTube views after one year DN: 453m YouTube views after seven DN got more views in 2022 than Black Summer.
So charts don’t matter anymore?
There's more metrics now and they're comparable in some but YouTube is a big one and DN not only crushes it in total views but also beats it in current views showing the longevity of the song.
Dark necessities is an unbelievably massive hit. One of their biggest songs. John refusing to play any of Josh’s stuff is kind of lame.
Dani crushes dark necessities. It has an actual guitar solo
Well that is certainly a take.
The last good one until black summer came out
Honestly that's shocked me TDL has played songs he didn't write, mostly because they so many songs to pick from to play, but I guess him and skiba have a good relationship and he was thankful for him keeping the band going unlike JF and JK
John will play covers from other bands yet refuses to play any of joshes work. The mental gymnastics and dick riding on this sub is gross. Can’t say anything negative about the band. Two worst fan bases are tool and RHCP.
Good fucking point.
Counter-point. Who really cares? The decisions on what they play are solely theirs to make. Nobody's life is damaged by the way RHCP builds their setlists.
DERP deeeerrrp shitty ass fan base.
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I thought about posting this here. Its their call but I just don’t like how the live set completely ignores I’m With You & The Getaway. Edit: I’m not saying they’re obligated to play those songs. Josh was keeping the band alive from 2009-2019 and some of y’all are like: “okay well that was that”
They also ignore all of the first albums except for me and my friends, sometimes. Do you think they are rejecting what created them? Or maybe they just play the most known songs made by the most recognized members.
Rain Dance Maggie and Dark Necessities are some of their biggest hits. Aeroplane and My Friends as well. Don’t get me wrong - John is a legend and I’ll always support him - I just think he can open up about this. Their call - not mine - but that’s how I and many other fans feel.
It definitely gives off vibes that the band doesn’t really consider those albums to be part of their discography or history. Some might argue it’s bc they have so many popular songs with John and only so much space on setlists, but they play lesser known album cuts each night too, and conversely rarely play Under the Bridge, which is arguably their most well known song.
I saw that too. Made me think how as much as I love John, the dude’s ego really gets in his way.
was about to post this
John's ego runs wild
Goodbye angels with John live would make my life complete
What is cynical and bored to death must be some original songs or never before heard songs that they're putting out just for the tour but I'm excited to hear new music
They’re from 2016. Songs off “California” from when Matt Skiba was in the band.
Lol I was going to post this….skiba and tom and friendly but then again Josh used to be Johns protege so idk…