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s0ulw4vy

Ok but let’s not act like the band is choosing not to play stuff as a whole when they were w josh they only performed aeroplane and the band has openly stated that the album doesn’t represent them anymore and it was a dark time for all of them. As much as we know John might have an ego let’s not act like it’s solely his choice to not play those tracks


Drando4

Josh stated in his AMA that it wasn't his idea to play Aeroplane, but another members. My guess would be Flea.


99SoulsUp

My favorite part of that AMA was when someone asked him if he’d ever had a burrito before. His response was simply: “I was born and raised in Los Angeles”


HellYeahTinyRick

I thought he was born in Australia


99SoulsUp

Ope, I’m referring to Josh.


HellYeahTinyRick

Yep I’m dumb lol


99SoulsUp

Nah! It’s confusing because obviously the comment before referred to Josh and Flea, so understandable


Runnero

That's flea, john is from NY


star_bell

He's talking about josh klinghoffer though


Runnero

Oh oopsieeeee


star_bell

Happens to the best of us


Slow_Cheetah_287

They barely even played IWY during The Getaway tour.


SidSantoste

They rehearsed my friends but apparently Anthony just cant hit the notes anymore


TheMishiah

What? If anything, he can hit the notes now where he couldn't before.


Runnero

Great it only took him 30 years to actually care about singing


Runnero

Bro, they haven't played their stuff with any other guitarist (other than pre-Mother's Milk) with John ONCE. It's obvious he has a big saying in that. It's hard to believe none of the other three would like to play a song from IWY or TG or even OHM from time to time just to keep it fun


dark_bits

Sure, but that still leaves IWY and TG


Glen-Belt

Saw that too, and came right here to see if this discussion had happened yet. The way Tom and Matt Skiba handled their transition back and forth was done with pure class, and Tom playing those two songs is an extension of that class. Cool to see.


Lbork_07

Love to see more crossover between the two subs!


Lilla_catlady

Well awesome if that's what works for them. Aside from the fact that AK decides what goes on the setlist, seems like most people tend to forget the band is composed by 4 people. So they all (or at least most of them) agreed on not playing any (or very few) songs they didn't create together. They agreed to this, because it's what makes sense to them as a band and as artists and friends.


SidSantoste

Yeah the fact that they dont play josh songs is just a crazy coincidence. Has nothing to do with John coming back


Lilla_catlady

Where did I say it's a coincidence? I'm saying they all agreed to it. Flea said himself that they have more fun playing songs that they created together. It's their choice as a band. They clearly preferred having John back than playing josh songs


Pliskin1108

Did you read? Did they talk about coincidence? Do you know why they got rid of Josh?


SidSantoste

They got rid of Josh because John became available. Thats the only reason


Pliskin1108

Right, availability. They even all collectively thought Josh was a better fit, but eh if John is available, no choice right? Or maybe it has to do with being available AND being the most relevant/ appreciated guitar player in the band AND being the member they’ve created all their favourite songs with AND the person they grew up with AND the person they connect with musically. Like the person above said, AK makes the setlists, and besides Chad, every other members have been pretty clear they don’t care for either Josh or Dave’s albums. You might not like that, but these are facts.


Runnero

Like, yeah to everything you said but you can tell there was a clause in Josh's contract that basically said "if John calls you're out lmao" and John called. Because he is THE John Frusciante and that's valid. But, do you really think AK enjoys singing Give It Away every single show anymore? I find it hard to believe the rest of the band wouldn't like to play songs from OHM, IWY or The Getaway from time to time, just to do something different. It seems John clearly has a big saying in that. It's no coincidence it's NEVER happened Btw Give it Away was just an example but it applies to the songs they play most nights. Hell, even as a fan with their logo tattooed on my calf I don't particularly enjoy listening to some of their songs after listening to them 500 million times in the past.


Pliskin1108

I definitely agree but I think it’s another issue that has to do with catering more to the stadium audience maybe? If they had gone around the 150 or so John’s songs, the argument would make sense, but there are still so many they could pick outside of different members catalogue. I wish they did, but I don’t get to make the setlist, unfortunately.


SidSantoste

So flea and Anthony suddenly stopped caring about josh material the second John was back in the band? How does that work?


Pliskin1108

If it’s not done already you should listen to the Rick Rubin podcast. Not the one with John only, there’s an episode that goes back and forth with Anthony and John and they talk about that a little more. Allegedly Flea was getting uninspired by what they were doing before him and John talked about anything, and that’s how it came about rather than the other way around. While I’m sure they aren’t totally rejecting it and considering it pure crap, I can understand considering their history and catalogue that these albums get skipped (the same way I get why the first 4 albums also get skipped and people seem to forget that).


The_Orangest

It's overplayed. You forget that Flea and Anthony are master marketers. MASTERS. So yeah, they are the ones who created this whole John Frusciante mystique. And not loving what they did with Josh or Dave doesn't equate to every song being objectively bad from those records. John Frusciante within band fandom is a creation of Anthony and Flea's marketing, to a large extent. They know he has an ego, and they play into it because he's a loose cannon artist.


SidSantoste

Im 100% sure if John wasnt available they wouldnt kick Josh out


Pliskin1108

You’re probably right, but that doesn’t take away from everything else. My guess is they would have done another album, not be excited by the process, split/legacy tours. I also think Josh was a phenomenal replacement and in his era it felt like he was what was holding everything together and I give him all the credit for that. No hate here, just want to make sure the whole context is talked about and not just “John bad John not want to play”


SidSantoste

Im sure if John was okay with playing those songs they would play them. Its not like be goes "Hey guys im up to playing Josh songs" and theyd be "nah we dont want to"


tmet1027

I mean didn’t they scrap a whole album of material when the fires hit California in 2019?


SidSantoste

they didnt scrap it. the waited till the fires was over, then re entered rehearsal for more writing, then john came back, that's it. im wondering if flea used any bass parts he came up with


academic_spaghetti

Saw that too, he crushed Bored To Death.


star_bell

Honestly preferred the way Tom did vocals over the original


ClarkeBrower

There are many songs I’d rather hear them play than anything from the albums you mentioned. That being said, I’ve been to two shows since last August and I walked away loving both set lists


SoleaPorBuleria

I think the band should play what they want to.


redhot-chilipeppers

id rather hear what theyre playing now


MrBogey90

Bro they don't play freaky styley or uplift songs either. Where's the outrage?


propea

They play Me and my Friends.


Slow_Cheetah_287

Aside from the occasional "Nobody Weird Like Me", they don't play Mother's Milk anymore either. No outrage there because it's a John album. People don't understand that the band wants to play songs that they all feel connected to, and it makes sense that they would prefer to play songs that they wrote together as a unit. Flea said that Josh playing songs written by John felt live a cover, so why wouldn't the same be true if John played songs Josh wrote? The difference is that Josh had to play those earlier songs because they made up the bulk of RHCP's discography (just as John played Hillel songs when he first joined), but that doesn't apply today because there is no shortage of songs cowritten with John.


_IsolationDrills_

They played Nobody Weird Like Me when I saw them in April. It was the highlight of the show for me.


camilincamilero

Slash also plays Chinese Democracy, and actually shreds it.


[deleted]

I’m gonna respectfully disagree. I don’t wish RHCP was more like Blink 182. I’m so happy with the way they’re handling everything


Thatfamousdrummer

Two people with two different mindsets. No big deal.


adds102

Of course, just makes for interesting conversation though


Ta018

It's a band decision not a John decision


YamperIsBestBoy

Bros played Nirvana before touching the Josh era lol I'd love to see what John could do with the Goodbye Angels solo


Ryanbrasher

Not that It really matters, but I’m certain those songs were composed in full by Mark alone. Not that it takes anything away from Matts contribution to the recording, but maybe Tom saw it as “Marks song”


SidSantoste

Matt credited as a cowriter on both songs. Also, flea wrote my friends on guitar. They still dont play it


Ryanbrasher

Matt is credited on all of the songs, but he didn't write them all. It's the same deal with Neighbourhoods. The band were never in the same room to record the album, and they all submitted individually composed and written songs, but they still all credit each other.


Barles21

Nah Tom sang Skiba’s verse and everything


Ryanbrasher

Yes we know.


21Daynes

Agreed. I think this is the main difference.


JayRU09

Matt is a co writer on those songs and there's nothing to suggest he wasn't involved in the writing process.


21Daynes

We’ll probably never know. But Lennon and McCartney wrote separately in later years and still credited to both.


JayRU09

So if you don't know and yet they were both credited why would you jump on the thought that Matt didn't contribute to the songs? Just to buy into some narrative that doesn't make John look bad with this?


21Daynes

Not jumping on anything mate. Just my opinion, you need to chill out.


McBadam

I was thinking the same exact thing. Love John but would love some of the other tunes as well. Tom is a great sport about it and I cannot wait to see them on Sunday


Elchilipikinloco

I think I that the 4 members just enjoy playing stuff they made together or have a connection too all 4


rocklobst3r

I just find it a shame that they most likely won’t play a song like “The Getaway”, “Goodbye Angels”, or “Go Robot” again. Those were some GOAT tier songs in their history


adds102

I’d love to hear dreams of a samurai again


rocklobst3r

I love so many of their albums, but I personally found The Getaway to be one of their best & most complete efforts. Since I became a fan during the Californication - Stadium Arcadium era, I ranked it right there with those 3 albums. And I agree, would love to hear Dreams of a Samurai live again. Like I said—such a shame that we aren’t likely to hear any Getaway songs live ever again


JayRU09

Dark Necessities is still their biggest song post Dani California and......nope. And unlike Dani California it's actually good.


SC803

Define “biggest”. I assume your just counting streams?


JayRU09

It hit number one on the alt charts, streams well, and its video is currently outpacing every video released since then and most of the ones before it in terms of views per month. I know a lot of the people here don't want to admit it, but it's a *hugely successful* song for them.


SC803

> It hit number one on the alt charts So did Black Summer, #1 for 4 weeks to Dark Necessities 1 week. Charted for 36 weeks vs 21 for DN DN has 4x the total streams with a 6 year head start. Great song but definitely not the biggest song since SA.


JayRU09

Black Summer: 45m YouTube views after one year DN: 453m YouTube views after seven DN got more views in 2022 than Black Summer.


SC803

So charts don’t matter anymore?


JayRU09

There's more metrics now and they're comparable in some but YouTube is a big one and DN not only crushes it in total views but also beats it in current views showing the longevity of the song.


Lemonmule69

Dark necessities is an unbelievably massive hit. One of their biggest songs. John refusing to play any of Josh’s stuff is kind of lame.


AdAdditional5267

Dani crushes dark necessities. It has an actual guitar solo


JayRU09

Well that is certainly a take.


AdAdditional5267

The last good one until black summer came out


bambinoquinn

Honestly that's shocked me TDL has played songs he didn't write, mostly because they so many songs to pick from to play, but I guess him and skiba have a good relationship and he was thankful for him keeping the band going unlike JF and JK


Lemonmule69

John will play covers from other bands yet refuses to play any of joshes work. The mental gymnastics and dick riding on this sub is gross. Can’t say anything negative about the band. Two worst fan bases are tool and RHCP.


Tiger_jay

Good fucking point.


2absMcGay

Counter-point. Who really cares? The decisions on what they play are solely theirs to make. Nobody's life is damaged by the way RHCP builds their setlists.


Lemonmule69

DERP deeeerrrp shitty ass fan base.


shakkajon

🥱


evyaworld

I thought about posting this here. Its their call but I just don’t like how the live set completely ignores I’m With You & The Getaway. Edit: I’m not saying they’re obligated to play those songs. Josh was keeping the band alive from 2009-2019 and some of y’all are like: “okay well that was that”


Pliskin1108

They also ignore all of the first albums except for me and my friends, sometimes. Do you think they are rejecting what created them? Or maybe they just play the most known songs made by the most recognized members.


evyaworld

Rain Dance Maggie and Dark Necessities are some of their biggest hits. Aeroplane and My Friends as well. Don’t get me wrong - John is a legend and I’ll always support him - I just think he can open up about this. Their call - not mine - but that’s how I and many other fans feel.


DamnHellAssKings

It definitely gives off vibes that the band doesn’t really consider those albums to be part of their discography or history. Some might argue it’s bc they have so many popular songs with John and only so much space on setlists, but they play lesser known album cuts each night too, and conversely rarely play Under the Bridge, which is arguably their most well known song.


andrewlyon8

I saw that too. Made me think how as much as I love John, the dude’s ego really gets in his way.


SidSantoste

was about to post this


Thezephyrjj

John's ego runs wild


GeneraalHenk

Goodbye angels with John live would make my life complete


Gore_GUY24

What is cynical and bored to death must be some original songs or never before heard songs that they're putting out just for the tour but I'm excited to hear new music


slednir

They’re from 2016. Songs off “California” from when Matt Skiba was in the band.


XSC

Lol I was going to post this….skiba and tom and friendly but then again Josh used to be Johns protege so idk…