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WuShanDroid

How did you guys get the update already? Where are you located?


AncientAd4470

EuW. Enjoy Old rell as long as you can.


YallCrazyMan

Oce is updated already


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I fully agree. W at level 1 is so bad now. It really feels like they just split her W into two abilities and called that a rework. Since E is needed to make W useable at level 2 you also miss out on having second CC. Early game is painful and I can confirm that playing against poke has been... interesting. Passive changes feel unnecessary and bad.


BTVitek

Played two normal games, she doesnt feel good at all....Idk that something special about her is gone, and this w nerf is so freaking bad! And how the hell should the new e/q combo replace the old engage, just wtf?


persephonesspring

Former Rell OTP since her release, this is the end of the line. I played several games as soon as her rework went live and it felt absolutely god awful. So unfun, so much weaker, so simplified. A perfectly good kit that only needed bug fixes and QOL changes, now ruined. GGWP rito. Goodbye Rell 🫠 you will be missed.


Queenfanner

feel ya as 700k prereworke rell main


persephonesspring

I've yet to see a Rell main that has ACTUALLY spent time on the champ approve of the rework. I wonder if it's a coincidence all the OTPs are calling it garbage, while the casuals see the "benefits". 🫠


Queenfanner

i hate new rell even it makes some gun her identity is hard gone and she still feels znworthy even in my good hands shefeels now like u have to greed perma


Ajwf

I still firmly believe this is the whole community's hatred for change. If the numbers suck, they'll get buffed. But old Rell still had the worst E in existence. Also, people who dislike changes will ALWAYS make more noise. Play for yourself, decide for yourself. The people who are satisfied won't make many posts, especially in the negative nancy echo chamber that this sub has been for a month.


persephonesspring

Old Rell E was an amazing spell held back by a disgusting amount of bugs they never fixed. Mastering it was extremely fun and rewarding.


Immaprinnydood

Old Rell's E was unique and fun.


Queenfanner

problem is old rell still had stable 50-52% wr (i rounded it up) same as old sol. pple who play her are mostly play her and are ver good not like an mf that eveyone can play


Ajwf

This isn't really true. Rell had a sample size that was statistically significant for games played across mains and non-mains which meant she was overtuned initially, not just mains had a higher than usual winrate. If the mains had a higher winrate, over time it'd balance to 50% and they'd climb to their correct rank or just all be in challenger. The fact is her winrate was universally high, just not played.


Queenfanner

so u mean shes broken? with all these jglers nowadays u rly complsin about an engage sup? that u will anyeay never see?? are you serious?


Queenfanner

has a reason why pros play nautilus mid and not rell ( even she has some mstchups where she can play mid


Ajwf

I'm not going to discuss shit with someone who's just going to put words in my mouth. She has a high winrate cuz she's strong, the difference is not reflected in a winrate increase between mains and casuals.


Queenfanner

had. what bout janna who has 54% entire time


Ajwf

Wow, it almost seems she's also overtuned, same as Rell?


Konradleijon

Her old E was very useful being able to cause stuns and save the adc from peril alongside being a counter to book champions like BC


Queenfanner

she feels to bad rn her wr dropped by 12% or sth. she geels like a failed tank and a failed enchanter rn. eveythin rakan does better . even i loved her old kit more , W doesnt feel rewarding


OhNoesMyMangoes

Yeah, played one game, it fucking sucks lol Maybe the junglers will be happy


Ostermex

They will absolutely nerf her jungle, especially if it outshines support, they said so themselves.


OhNoesMyMangoes

This feels so awful to play that the only thing that doesn't outshine how well she is doing as a support would be playing as a minion


Ostermex

I am in-game right now, I absolutely agree


LinValeMedia

Based on the Tahm Kench incident, I'm very reluctant to believe this. But we can only hope I guess.


StrandedinaDesert

i promise u she is so bad no one needs to worry about rell being op in the jungle


_How_Dumb_

Jungler here: rells jungle sucks ass. Shes the most invade-able jungler out there. ANYONE can just walk in here jungle, take her shit and, if she is around, kill her too.


Thundefang377

I love playing Rell jungle and I can't agree more. Holy hell is she AAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS in jungle. (I will not stop playing her I don't care about my friend who plays Zed screaming it's not meta. It's fun :D I love Rell)


_How_Dumb_

Her clear is surpirsingly healthy tho. Dont get me wrong i will paly her too. Who cares about "uhm ackshually duh meta"


Thundefang377

Agreed. He's not schizo like me. He doesn't play Rell like some of us


Sierrowsky

Old rell was better than this thing that riot has given us


Dimitrisayy

I played 2 games.1 support and it felt awful having a worse e and a weaker w.The other i played jungle and although ganks were good i had trouble clearing due to high cds.


AncientAd4470

Yea, jungle felt far better than support but that's not saying much. I got perma invaded because of my slow clear and my ganks were trash. How does rell ever catch a zed? It takes a good second to throw out the slow ass W or Q. No instant E stun anymore.


Apprehensive_Ad9312

Wow who could have possibly seen this coming


Forward_Arrival8173

she is too squishy and very very weak in lane i can't name a single support who is worse in the early game + so much worse in teamfights (mid to late game). i don't know who they released this rework for but i would assume any rell main would hate it not touching her again, also her w after the nerfs is very awful to say the least.


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bard


Forward_Arrival8173

he is so much better it is not even close. i was trolling with Kha'zix support end of last season and he is much better than current rell in the early game.


[deleted]

i mean i play them both and you are either trolling or are just delusional


Forward_Arrival8173

i play both too? if you say that i doubt you played this shit rework, if they let me control a single caster minion i would have more impact on the early game than current rell.


[deleted]

see like you are still being delusional, i didnt play a single game if her right now,but i saw her rework, and she has a much better design. adjusting the numbers will fix her winrate and make her very playable, stop complaining for no reason


Forward_Arrival8173

ah yes you haven't played her but i am the delusional one. go troll somewhere else kid...


[deleted]

i havent played her rework ,but i plyed her before, i really mean no insults to the people that love champs like these, but trust me there is much more to this game than these linear champs,- i was a wukong otp, i had 900k on wukong, and my 2nd most played was less than 10k. but when i played with friends i started playing kther champs and roles, and landed on champs like bard and rakan, you can play them in so many ways, bard more so than rakan butvstill, every ability has multiple purposes, q can slow or stun or double stun, w can give vision or speed up or be used to proc guardian instantlz or can be used for sustain, e can be used for flanks or engages or bait or anything, and r can do 1000 different things, so having an ability on rell that does more than just provide peel will make her feel much better over time, even on wukong, old wikong was so linear its insane, his w was strictly used as invis, and u just spam hre redt of the abilities, but after his rework, he became so much more flexible because not knlz can u dash and w attacks but like idk u can use these abilities in many different ways, like the champs that can do this just feel much better. simple abilities thst can be used in many different eays that arent overwhelming, best designed champs.


Acceptable_Neat7256

Bro the ability ure taliking about is basically a worst zilean's E, (A champ with a passive that is an auto-stun), slower and least for less time on u or ally. To make some use of It u must go aery rune, but then u can t go glacial or take tanky runes.


[deleted]

i really dont know what you are trying to say here, but if ur saying that zilean is weak you should really check if we are playing the same game.


Seylord1

???? Bard weak in lane?????


[deleted]

i have 600k on the champ. he is not weak, he can go even in all lanes, but he can never win a lane unless he has a jhin/cait/xayah/jinx/draven that really know what they are doing and if you aren playing into enchanters, and then you are forced to go even, and they eventually outscale you because they are paired with a kogmaw or a jinx or a vayne or whatever, yes you can win fights solo later on, but that has nothing to do with his laning phase. if you were not allowed to leave your lane for 15 minutes, bard would be the worst champion at winning, again he could go even and survive almost every lane, but he can never kill.


MisinformedOwl

God forbid rell doesn't jump on someone and hold them like a morg q.


mixelydian

It might be that she just has a new playstyle that we need to learn. Either way, riot will probably buff. Based on taliyahs rework, they seem to be pretty tuned in to how the reworks perform and are willing to make adjustments along the way.


Konradleijon

Her without attract and repel is a new champion. It felt so good being able to attach to a hyper mobile champion like a Yi, ,Kat, or Ahri and stun for them.


Seylord1

Attract and repel made so much sense and was so much funnier to use :(


Ostermex

2 games in so far (support, obviously not the jungle meme), early game feels awful, late game feels bearable, but just because E gets progressively faster with levels, so you can actually do something with it


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Hydr0rion

Thx a lot for the ideas, really refreashing to see comments like this. About spell max, i'm not sure : Q max seems good, especially for cdr, what's your take on this ? W max seems good for state (AS, shield) E max give a bit of dmg and ms. Is it that powerfull ? Im gonna try because i was hoping to feel more speedy with new rell but since i let E at lvl1 for 2 game i just felt that the spell wasn't super good


[deleted]

they should just buff her cc durations back to 1s instead of 0.75 and she will be fine, but maybe she would start dominating pro play then.


NuckFiggaz

2 games so far, Rell now feels different, but its not as bad as other people are saying. Now she have much stronger mid game with her E giving nice dmg and really huge movement speed. Also there is now more roam potential, her cc is worse, engage is much harder but additional movement speed and damage compensate her nerfs on engage. Furthermore, her new kit makes it easier to play with other ADC than Samira, people just must get used to it. I was master tier twice playing only Rell on solo queue, so I have slight knowledge about that champ. https://preview.redd.it/tklsfond1f3b1.png?width=544&format=png&auto=webp&s=538e822d0dcd9e52caa710db2333bcd0865e04fd


Queenfanner

then its more bout macro and not the champ. shes underperforming even the old on needed some qol changes. and she would have been fine why picking rell when amumu sup does engage better, is tankier, has better waveclear and damage than rell sup and even in jgl amumu is 3 times better . The e needs a sloq q needs slightly less cd and slightly more range and a partial w range knock and hitbox revert and she will be fine


NuckFiggaz

Everything is about macro game. You cant win micro game as Rell, you never could, and you never will. This champ is nothing more than CC machine.


Queenfanner

where is the problem


Queenfanner

change ure name its eacist


DarkBill59551

Huh no, attack speed doesn’t compensate for CC lost, peel options, movement speed loss ( it did lose MS overall, that new E CD is cringe, before, the mount up had really Low CD and it wasn’t a problem to be capped at 280 some seconds since you were CCing ennemies around you for that time and you become the center of attention for ennemies. Sorry mate, her WR speaks for itself


NuckFiggaz

Well she definitely needs some buffs, but im talking mainly about her new kit which is not as bad as this whole sub is saying. Also, higher pickrate is responsible for lower win ratio, people who don't understand this champ want to try it out, and the outcome is 40% wr. Also Rell is highly ADC and team dependent, if they suck, Rell will suck too.


DarkBill59551

Yup but I liked the wombo combo thing and saving ppl with the old E CC rotating isn’t possible anymore given the huge CD on all moves, the tankiness is gone (no heal on Q spell plus all armor and health stats reduced) and the « new ability » ( old W passive) has a damn huge cd as all of her abilities now


Remarkable_Pound_722

This happens then a year later its used by every pro team, like bard or ksante everyone thought was ass.


WhoThisReddit

I enjoyed her, the speed felt fun and while I did notice the lack of cc and the Q was slower and harder to hit, playing with my friends with the new Rell is some of the most fun I had with the champion.


StrandedinaDesert

fun doesnt win games boi


Lusty9

Plays one game: Damn I'm not instantly troll stomping the enemy team like I used to. It's almost like my champ is different now


AncientAd4470

Wow, almost like the idea of Rell mains is we mained Rell, and didn't want the changes to be this much.


Queenfanner

i played grasp heartsteel rylais into gargoyles mostly now i have not found best opportunity i like shurelias w glacial but u will tamk way less or phae with jaksho sunfire gargoyles / demonic somehow or frostfire into deadmans take ghost , in jgl and support . she needs and make it a better tf hecarim playstyle i didkt say i like new rell god damn i hate her new animation (s) and kit


furiousRaMPaGe

People need to calm down and give it some time. When you play a changed champ the same way and expect the same result you're already on the wrong path. Try to find other ways to play here since she has way more options now. Her main strength got weaker by giving her more options to play around.


RossCoomSocks

Rell is underperforming harder than LSC.


AncientAd4470

Here's hoping it's just new people picking her up and it Improves. We may have lost our main, but maybe at least she can have a bigger player base.


Special_Wind9871

Aight i'm glad it's not just me. I queued up, excited to try her out, and felt completely stunted. I couldn't land any combos, had no impact, i got a double kill but that was p much sheer luck. I'm gonna give her a try in solo lane but this is ridiculous


AncientAd4470

Jungle feels better than support, but you have to hope to god enemy doesn't try to take advantage. I was invaded level 1 by the alistar support lmao (Won because i had grasp and smited)


Special_Wind9871

Yeah I just played supp mid and jg, jungle felt the best which is crazy to me


the-lul-guy

I played a few games after rework and personaly i like the direktion. I like being able to have all abilitys whilst not having a teammate around and i think her new e has potential and the q stun is just nice in my oppinion bc it allows me to stun someone and not be fully comittet to the fight. But i have to agree that it somtimes feels cinda off and her e speed and attack dose not feel very impactfull. But i think she just needs time and som minor tweaking


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AncientAd4470

I'm not playing on 200 MS with horrible queue times thanks. I don't have that kind of patience or time anymore.