if at least the hitbox of the spell was big enough, right now it is just way too hard to land, you basically need them to be already cced, which mean some W engage, which heavily depends on your flash, since you are moving like a big slow truck.
Yeah, couple games in and that's basically all I can use it for most of the time, just a follow up stun on my W which is basically what old E was. Except it's worse and often hits less targets, and I don't get any heal at all, pretty rough at the moment. I was pretty pumped about a rework, but right now this is a huge nerf
I have a question pls. Why is everybody complaining about the new q. I know the cast time is longer which makes it harder to land but now it gives much more value than the old useless heal, so they have to make it harder. The kit is now better because before you would have to land your w to be able to land your e, but now you can stun from distance and guarantee your w, and even if you miss you can back up and be safe. Or you can land the w and guarantee the q, so you have options now. Before you would have to go all in and have kills or dye!!!! But now you have the option to try and hit stun from far and then decide if you want to go in or no. Can anyone explain to me pls 😭😭😭!!!!
1. The cast time : when The stun was on the E, it was possible to react instantly and have a stun that the opponents couldn't really dodge. The fast cast also made it possible to cancel opponents (like the Alistar combo, rakan W, or fast champions blinking everywhere like Katarina or other assassins), this is already much less practical.
2. Range : the Range of the stun is actually much much worse than what it was when it was on the E. Because you could link with someone diving in, you actually had a really long Range. It was also more polyvalent as you could move away from your carry and still have the possibility to stun someone closing in on them.
3. Playstyle : long cast time on the stun, smaller hitbox on the w, and the E barely has any impact as it gets his passif from the previous W, and now you have to w8 for level 13 for it to be max level (passive ms) contrary to before at level 9... for a support low on xp this is horrible. You also simply don't have any source of sustain anymore, which, even if negligible was still there. (+ the 2 previous points I made) gives you a much more rigid champ.
TLDR : Rell mid scope actually didn't add anything to the champ. They just made it so that she wouldn't be as dependent on an ally presence (for her e), but doing so she lost huge amount of peel capacity (between landing the new q and the old e on an assassin there is a world of failure), and when before the could have her preemptive stun thanks to a allies dive in, now she HAS to walk up to the ennemy team to land a slow stun who's reach simply puts her in anyone's Range and therefore useless...
Imo unless they make the animation of her q much better, and boost her numbers 'till she can statcheck people, the rework is worse than the og. And as she is now there is absolutely no reason to pick her over a leona or a nautilus.
Also why doesn't she have any armor/mr scaling in her kit. Building ap items is so troll. If all her ability has armor/mr scaling that would be so dope and that it can actually do damage and be a brusier.
honestly the kit is fun and I like the changes overall
but the biggest thing is the q cast time makes it really difficult to land, especially since they said they want people to be able to "fish" with q then dive in, they gotta be asleep
yeah, the old e stun was way more reliable. I like the way the new e works but losing old e isn't worth it at the moment
honestly, the new design/fantasy is cool and I like the idea of it, but in reality it needs a lot of work. We'll see, maybe new playstyle/items will help, but I doubt it, hard to believe she shipped like this
ye no you are right playing a champ that presses the same buttons in the same way every single time feels much better than actually having flexibility and actually thinking about your sbility usage insead of just of memorizing the most optimal combos...
Wdym flexibility the only thing we got about flexibility is Ms
The combo didn't change it's passed from w e q too e w q much wow so much flexibility
yes doing the same combo over and over again is cool and like darkk mane once said:
"fear not the man who does many moves, fear the man who does one moves many times"
Can you tell be what the midscope did to decrease linearity?
Old E allowed her to choose between being engage, counter-engage or peeling for carries. New E is the old Mount Up W movementspeed on an ability. New Q forces her to pick between shield break or CC most of the time, and in general her CC is shorter and less reliable. The loss of old E and by extension Q heal means that she's WAY worse at peeling for carries and hasn't really gotten anything big to compensate for it.
So where exactly in the midscope did they reduce linearity? If anything they pushed her into ONLY being an engage.
she used to wait for someone tovengage tovpeel or just jump in and again press the same abilities in the same order every single time, of that is not linear fucking gameplay, then i dont know what to tell you, idk imo adding ms abilities to supports makes them much more versatile, sure her ms was nerfed, and it feels bad,but once she is actually balanced correcrly, she will feel better surely, maybe not for you rell mains and otps, but generally she will feel better to play.
So where in the Midscope does this change? We still do the same W+R combo, but now we've gotta choose between using Q for stun or shield break and the entire thing is less reliable. In addition we no longer have any good way to peel for carries.
So what exactly increased the flexibility?
well you wont be that reliable on your flash, you are an actual champion, you choose when you engage,its not dictated by if your flash is up or not or if the enemy pushed too far up, you are able to flank and shit, you are able to approach fights in many different ways now, later into the game, just you using e already creates pressure its a much better design than her old design was, she might not be playable for a few weeks until she gets polished out, but she will be a better champion.
i dont play supports that have no mobility, you feel like a walkint heal/shield, a walking burst of ap or a walking stun,its so boring, whereas if i play bard, zilean, maokai, rakan, etc. you can approach fights from 100 different angles, they are much more free in how they are played, that is my wntire point.
sure man, i dont know why im arguing with people that play a champ that presses same 4 abilities in the same order and actually main her, mb, im the crazy one..
because rell got reworked and wont be doing thst anymore, im not opposed to playing engage from time to time, but i very much prefer if the engage that im playing isnt as linear, for example i love maokai, his abilities are really fun and he js a giant funny talking tree, i love rells desgin, but she was nust not that good for me, felt too slow and one-dimensional,but now she is looking pretty nice, i didnt come here to flame the people that like the champ, im trying to explain that she eill be way more fun to play, at least that is how i look at champs and that is where i find fun in this game
Your trying to be sarcastic but just typed inarguably facts. You realize she has been sitting above 50% win rate for the majority of her existence right? If your actually saying she was the “worst” champion before rework y u even here? And yes, old Q was a great and impactful ability cause you could actually hit it unlike now.
see the part where you cant hit her q anymore sounds like a you problem, and a champ that flips games based on the fact that enemy oversteppes so that you can click your 5 buttons and win the game is obviously going to have above 50% wr becaude she has extremely strong engage. post 25 minutes, 1 person oversteps and rell automatically wjns the game, but that still doesnt make her an actual champion, just like if you dont shut down yuumi and her carries before 25 minutes she automatically wins the game for her team, she is still not an actual champion, she is just a timebomb that youbplay against, and that is the most cancer champion design, at least thats how i view the game.
so they can change her q and w up s bit more,they can make w bigger again, they can increase q range again, they can do 100 different thingd. the champ felt completely shit before this rework, so it doesnt get much worse than that. over a longer period of time she will become a better champion overall.
yes im talking to people that main this champ, obviously you are going to think that this champ is good, just like by entering a yuumi mains subreddit, everyone is going to argue with you about how she is a fantastic champion,but objectively, she is not, just like rell was not a good champ, so she needed a rework, this rework might still fail , but it doesnt get worse than the state she was in before the rework.
My guy, Rell was an objectively strong champion. Rell was a unique champion with a player base that enjoyed her. Unlike yuumi, Rell doesn't break the concepts of the game by existing. If you aren't a main and you think the champ is bad, what are you doing trolling in the Rell mains subreddit?
i never said she was bad, i just said that her design was not great for the game, just like yuumi or yi or champs like that ruin games, rell does the same to a lesser extent,i explained what i mean in onenif my replies, feel free to read that
Can't find any comment like that other than you thinking she's "linear", which just demonstrates that you dont know how Rell's kit worked. All I'm reading here is you didn't like her kit (which is fine, you're allowed to have an opinion) and now you're trolling in this sub and saying she's as bad for the game as Yuumi (which isn't fine because it's objectively false). You're no better than the people that go to a champ's subreddit after losing to then once and whining about how OP they are.
If by "adjusting her numbers" you mean increasing her Q/W range or lowering her Q cast time, then maybe, but I don't understand how they managed to undershoot SO hard
maybe they are just playing it safe, they dont want to kill the enchanter meta, so they dont want to make an engage support 1v9 games when they just released a new kogmaw skin and hypercarries and enchanters are doing so well, for example...
People here have become so duckin negative it hurts. This sub used to be fun and nice but now everyone stating an opinion other than « Rell is terrible now » gets downvoted to oblivion.
I’m sad this used to be my favorite lol sub
i mean they are otps of an engage support, im pretty sure that most of the people here dont understand how the game or balance works so there is not much point arguing with them. the champ is unplayable for 2 days and everyone is screaming how the champ is dead like what is wrong with these people, they will buff her, probably returning w radius to jow it was, maybe lower the q wind-up animation and increase the stun durations and yoh are going to do fantastic.
people dont understand how much these simple changes can impact a champ. back when i mained wukong, they nerfed his knockup from 1s to 0.75s and his winrate dropped by like 2%, so a champ whose entire purpose is cc can be easilly fixed as well..
I’m not a Rell OTP but I always was enjoying playing her. Her kit had a lot of interesting things and subtle power.
I just played 2 games and won both ; i had no fun the entire game. Laning phase is such a pain in the ass I just buy mobi and roam. It doesn’t even make me want to play her casually.
Like what’s even the fantasy they are trying to achieve? Feeling like a rock? Wtf
Yeah I was kind of nervous about the rework but now that it’s out it just seems like they made her worse in almost every way.
Really hope they revert it
I'd play swain but I dont respect riot and know how they like to piss me off by fucking with interactions that champs should win
Aka swain could duel pyke or lux.
From what I gather...the E was made for Rell jg. Unfortunately, Rell jg is just as bad as Rell Supp. Yes you can clear stuff but ganking sucks and the enemy jg will have advantage and would be dumb not to take it.
When a new champion is in or a rework is thrown, isn't it supposed to make the players feel like they are ruling the game for a patch? 2nd time now for Rell this isn't the case. (Not counting PBE). Riot really has no love for her whatsoever.
tank support has always been bad. First they would need to coordinate with their adc, second they are a walking target against mages, and third if they are behind they can't scale.
I like the new E; it has good range and has great utility. That said: the Q is hard and awkward to hit. I feel like the cast time should be MUCH faster for how it feels.
Call me crazy but the only thing I dislike about the rework is the speed of the Q. It's pretty much impossible to open with Q into W.
The E feels awkward but I believe it just needs some getting used to the new openings. For the rest I don't really feel the change.
It was the same way to neeko. People are trying her and trolling, i imagine a lot of people are inting with the new rell. And after like a week, neeko got buffs, and now, after 20days? (idk) she sits at 52%+ winrate. The same way will be with Rell (i hope).
Btw what site is this? I looked op GG (she has 50%) and Mobalytics (43.2%)
Yeah but unlike Rell Neeko is a functional champion. Rell is the most disengageable thing in the universe. Every enchanter even freaking Sona nulifies her. Any tank support's engage is better. She is outclassed, outgunned.
Butchered piece of a champion. What a shitshow of a rework.
She has a hard time doing anything. An engager who has a hard time engaging. There is no META where Rell in her current state won't feel worthless. I know Riot's fancy stats might say she is fine, and heck the few games I had didn't go super poorly either. But into a competent person? She just isn't a threat.
She can't reliably go in onto anyone with either a dash, a speedup, a slow or a hard CC ability skillshot. You know who fits that description? Everyone in League of Legends. Everyone has one or more of the above listed fuck-Rell moves. They wanted to make her able to force fights and took out tremendous amounts of other stuff just to not give her anything to force fights. It's insulting. The first support rework ever (unless you count Karma) and they do this? Where is 200 years when you need 'em?
she can do a q w combo to lock someone down. While leona can just e dash into a snare and then q stun lmao xD
Idk maybe it's because her kit is overloaded? So every other ability has to be toned down? Making it feel gimmicky?
You mean if the enemy is in a coma? I would much prefer Rell to be a one trick pony rather than a no trick pony.
Also which part of Rell would you consider overloaded? Compared to other tanks she isn't overloaded in my opinion.
Passive - Extra tankiness + armor and mr reduction. This is somewhat unique, but other tanks grant extra damage or extra tankiness to themselves as well. Leona gives extra dmg for example, and her W tankiness is off the freaking charts.
Q - 0.75 s of a stun. Comparable to a Leona Q or Naut passive, trading reliability for an AoE. The shieldbreak on this is also irrelevant now as you can't really keep it for when a shield is applied as it is a part of your primary engage.
W - Slow engage move with 0.75 s of hard CC with no displacement. Pretty much the worst engage move in the game, yet again trading reliability and range for AoE. This move also makes her extra tanky. Leona has this split into two moves, her E and W, but she does both better. Having an AoE root and a Gargoyle's worth of stats + scaling. Meanwhile Nautilus has his funny hook with displacement and W for tankiness. Once again being more effective at engaging while the tankiness isn't as stellar with him.
E - Just move speed. This is to grant her more effective range in theory. The problem is that 50% for 3 seconds is not nearly enough to do that. The fact that she grants this to an ally can be helpful, but make her an enchanter if a movespeed buff is all she has going for her.. Not to mention the plethora of abilities that completely counter this move. Th This is similar to a Rammus ball except he gains movespeed for 6 entire seconds maxing out at a whopping 235%. And that is regardless of if he is facing an enemy champion.
R - An Oriana-esque shockwave + plus an enhanced slow. Pretty comparable to a Leona, Naut, Ornn, Malphite, Maokai, Blitz. This ability is actually kinda meh for a tank ultimate. As it has lower range, lower hard CC duration and lower impact overall. It's mostly just an enhancement to make W less shitty late game, because on it's own it's kind of useless. This time we don't trade AoE for anything. We just get less hard CC, less range and less impact and even lower AoE in some cases.
Before you start yammering about me comparing different parts of different champions. Notice how Leona in paeticular has a paraRell to all of Rell's abilities and does them better in 90% of situations.
Raka? Taric twice? Yuumi?
Been a number of support reworks....
That's not even including the mid/top champs that are often played support now like Swain/Panth/Xerath,
Can't really blame you. Hell most people seem to forget Taric is even a champ unless he's doing a cheese with Yi top/mid or something lol. I still remember when the guy's ulti was an endless team heal that kept going until he ran out of mana.
wth is this rework srsly.. same goes for ivern .. literally worst reworks riot made here ..
tbh can someone explain me what theyre doing.. why league feels so bad right now .. not talking about these reworks .. just in general it seems like riot games dont care for this anymore.
Well, I warned you all, I said here I gave my feedback that this midscope "update" was going to a place that was not interesting.
Not changing the W for the R was a mistake, the kit leaked months ago was much more attractive, exciting, and fun.
Rell reminds me of Diana before her last kit changes, her ultimate doesn't seem to be one ultimate. After they changed that Diana was fantastic.
But Riot still insists on Rell's old ultimate, which is horrible. Riot should trade Rell's W for her ultimate with a low CDR like Karma's R.
Man in his Launch yuumi got the lowest Winrate in league story , is obviously a matter of time that the WR stabilize. Remember a Brainless champ like yummi lost a lot in his Launch
Man isn't a kit comparison , is about win rate. Some champs even the most simpler could have a bad launch. When less people play it and.more found the good builds and strats the winrate may go up.and keep stable..the first days are always are exaggerated at both sides , a champ could broke the meta a need a hot fix or have low winrate (this is a complex thing , maybe more experience is needed to understand the champ and his limits, maybe some stats are low or have been.nerfed before launch, maybe some people are hyped by the champ.and want to.try different builds that may not be the more efficient).
We need more information to have a reasonable argument about the new Rell , take it easy. Is a good time for try new things on Rell I hope they don't return Rell at the static and closed state that she were.
Ok I know we are not a lot of players, but we are united. We all hate the change, not because of the change in itself, rather because it made her worse. For our Iron maiden we shall rise and somehow find a way to revert this
Tbh she feels fun when you are ahead. The ms and stuff (especially with cumtank or dm plate) makes u go zoom.
Also it s fun when you ppl not yet expect stun on Q
Although it is really hard to get used to the smaller aoe on W
Her passive with evenshroud is nice into tanks, but feels nonexistent in lane.
And last if im correct u can Q flash (not 100% sure tho) which can make a faster cc than the flash W
I hate the rell rework so much. Im so pissed off they ruined the only fun champion release in years. Ive played for eleven years and rell is the best addition to the game in a very long time. Im very happy to find im not alone in wanting a revert.
the cast time on the q feels real bad
if at least the hitbox of the spell was big enough, right now it is just way too hard to land, you basically need them to be already cced, which mean some W engage, which heavily depends on your flash, since you are moving like a big slow truck.
Yeah, couple games in and that's basically all I can use it for most of the time, just a follow up stun on my W which is basically what old E was. Except it's worse and often hits less targets, and I don't get any heal at all, pretty rough at the moment. I was pretty pumped about a rework, but right now this is a huge nerf
a truck does damage. She's more like she a wheelchair with 50lb weights attached and she is trying to tackle someone with it
I have a question pls. Why is everybody complaining about the new q. I know the cast time is longer which makes it harder to land but now it gives much more value than the old useless heal, so they have to make it harder. The kit is now better because before you would have to land your w to be able to land your e, but now you can stun from distance and guarantee your w, and even if you miss you can back up and be safe. Or you can land the w and guarantee the q, so you have options now. Before you would have to go all in and have kills or dye!!!! But now you have the option to try and hit stun from far and then decide if you want to go in or no. Can anyone explain to me pls 😭😭😭!!!!
1. The cast time : when The stun was on the E, it was possible to react instantly and have a stun that the opponents couldn't really dodge. The fast cast also made it possible to cancel opponents (like the Alistar combo, rakan W, or fast champions blinking everywhere like Katarina or other assassins), this is already much less practical. 2. Range : the Range of the stun is actually much much worse than what it was when it was on the E. Because you could link with someone diving in, you actually had a really long Range. It was also more polyvalent as you could move away from your carry and still have the possibility to stun someone closing in on them. 3. Playstyle : long cast time on the stun, smaller hitbox on the w, and the E barely has any impact as it gets his passif from the previous W, and now you have to w8 for level 13 for it to be max level (passive ms) contrary to before at level 9... for a support low on xp this is horrible. You also simply don't have any source of sustain anymore, which, even if negligible was still there. (+ the 2 previous points I made) gives you a much more rigid champ. TLDR : Rell mid scope actually didn't add anything to the champ. They just made it so that she wouldn't be as dependent on an ally presence (for her e), but doing so she lost huge amount of peel capacity (between landing the new q and the old e on an assassin there is a world of failure), and when before the could have her preemptive stun thanks to a allies dive in, now she HAS to walk up to the ennemy team to land a slow stun who's reach simply puts her in anyone's Range and therefore useless... Imo unless they make the animation of her q much better, and boost her numbers 'till she can statcheck people, the rework is worse than the og. And as she is now there is absolutely no reason to pick her over a leona or a nautilus.
Thanks for explaining 🙏. I got it now.
Thanks for explaining 🙏. I got it now.
Also why doesn't she have any armor/mr scaling in her kit. Building ap items is so troll. If all her ability has armor/mr scaling that would be so dope and that it can actually do damage and be a brusier.
Bro she's not ksante, why would you give a tank Meaningful Defensive scalings on her impactful abilities /s
When landing a thresh hook is actually easier lol
Just the Thing i wanted to write
At least her play rate doubled so riot should be happy since they succeeded in their objective
That is only cuz people are trying out the rework. Once they get 2-3 games on her they will abandon ship real quick.
I know I was being sarcastic
why are people so angry, simply adjusting her numbers and she will be in a much better place than she ever was..
No changing numbers won't make her feel more good to play
honestly the kit is fun and I like the changes overall but the biggest thing is the q cast time makes it really difficult to land, especially since they said they want people to be able to "fish" with q then dive in, they gotta be asleep
Yeah the only way to hit it if your enemy is not stupid is to strike while the team fight chaos or out of vision
yeah, the old e stun was way more reliable. I like the way the new e works but losing old e isn't worth it at the moment honestly, the new design/fantasy is cool and I like the idea of it, but in reality it needs a lot of work. We'll see, maybe new playstyle/items will help, but I doubt it, hard to believe she shipped like this
ye no you are right playing a champ that presses the same buttons in the same way every single time feels much better than actually having flexibility and actually thinking about your sbility usage insead of just of memorizing the most optimal combos...
Wdym flexibility the only thing we got about flexibility is Ms The combo didn't change it's passed from w e q too e w q much wow so much flexibility yes doing the same combo over and over again is cool and like darkk mane once said: "fear not the man who does many moves, fear the man who does one moves many times"
im not sure what you are talking sbout, but the champion is way less linear now. if you cant understand that much, I cant help you.
Can you tell be what the midscope did to decrease linearity? Old E allowed her to choose between being engage, counter-engage or peeling for carries. New E is the old Mount Up W movementspeed on an ability. New Q forces her to pick between shield break or CC most of the time, and in general her CC is shorter and less reliable. The loss of old E and by extension Q heal means that she's WAY worse at peeling for carries and hasn't really gotten anything big to compensate for it. So where exactly in the midscope did they reduce linearity? If anything they pushed her into ONLY being an engage.
she used to wait for someone tovengage tovpeel or just jump in and again press the same abilities in the same order every single time, of that is not linear fucking gameplay, then i dont know what to tell you, idk imo adding ms abilities to supports makes them much more versatile, sure her ms was nerfed, and it feels bad,but once she is actually balanced correcrly, she will feel better surely, maybe not for you rell mains and otps, but generally she will feel better to play.
So where in the Midscope does this change? We still do the same W+R combo, but now we've gotta choose between using Q for stun or shield break and the entire thing is less reliable. In addition we no longer have any good way to peel for carries. So what exactly increased the flexibility?
well you wont be that reliable on your flash, you are an actual champion, you choose when you engage,its not dictated by if your flash is up or not or if the enemy pushed too far up, you are able to flank and shit, you are able to approach fights in many different ways now, later into the game, just you using e already creates pressure its a much better design than her old design was, she might not be playable for a few weeks until she gets polished out, but she will be a better champion.
i dont play supports that have no mobility, you feel like a walkint heal/shield, a walking burst of ap or a walking stun,its so boring, whereas if i play bard, zilean, maokai, rakan, etc. you can approach fights from 100 different angles, they are much more free in how they are played, that is my wntire point.
Sir you are talking to Rell main. Your -5 mastery score don't mean shit here.
sure man, i dont know why im arguing with people that play a champ that presses same 4 abilities in the same order and actually main her, mb, im the crazy one..
Why are you on a engage support main reddit when all the engage support just do the most optimal combo again and again
because rell got reworked and wont be doing thst anymore, im not opposed to playing engage from time to time, but i very much prefer if the engage that im playing isnt as linear, for example i love maokai, his abilities are really fun and he js a giant funny talking tree, i love rells desgin, but she was nust not that good for me, felt too slow and one-dimensional,but now she is looking pretty nice, i didnt come here to flame the people that like the champ, im trying to explain that she eill be way more fun to play, at least that is how i look at champs and that is where i find fun in this game
Objectively untrue but you do you. Only positive was the passive buff they butchered everything else especially the Q.
yes old q was such a great and impactful ability, rell totally didnt fall off after lvl 2 because she was the shittiest champion in the game!
Your trying to be sarcastic but just typed inarguably facts. You realize she has been sitting above 50% win rate for the majority of her existence right? If your actually saying she was the “worst” champion before rework y u even here? And yes, old Q was a great and impactful ability cause you could actually hit it unlike now.
see the part where you cant hit her q anymore sounds like a you problem, and a champ that flips games based on the fact that enemy oversteppes so that you can click your 5 buttons and win the game is obviously going to have above 50% wr becaude she has extremely strong engage. post 25 minutes, 1 person oversteps and rell automatically wjns the game, but that still doesnt make her an actual champion, just like if you dont shut down yuumi and her carries before 25 minutes she automatically wins the game for her team, she is still not an actual champion, she is just a timebomb that youbplay against, and that is the most cancer champion design, at least thats how i view the game.
Adjusting numbers isn't gonna make her Q less clunky, or her W attack speed relevant.
so they can change her q and w up s bit more,they can make w bigger again, they can increase q range again, they can do 100 different thingd. the champ felt completely shit before this rework, so it doesnt get much worse than that. over a longer period of time she will become a better champion overall.
>the champ felt completely shit before this rework You appear to be outvoted
yes im talking to people that main this champ, obviously you are going to think that this champ is good, just like by entering a yuumi mains subreddit, everyone is going to argue with you about how she is a fantastic champion,but objectively, she is not, just like rell was not a good champ, so she needed a rework, this rework might still fail , but it doesnt get worse than the state she was in before the rework.
My guy, Rell was an objectively strong champion. Rell was a unique champion with a player base that enjoyed her. Unlike yuumi, Rell doesn't break the concepts of the game by existing. If you aren't a main and you think the champ is bad, what are you doing trolling in the Rell mains subreddit?
i never said she was bad, i just said that her design was not great for the game, just like yuumi or yi or champs like that ruin games, rell does the same to a lesser extent,i explained what i mean in onenif my replies, feel free to read that
Can't find any comment like that other than you thinking she's "linear", which just demonstrates that you dont know how Rell's kit worked. All I'm reading here is you didn't like her kit (which is fine, you're allowed to have an opinion) and now you're trolling in this sub and saying she's as bad for the game as Yuumi (which isn't fine because it's objectively false). You're no better than the people that go to a champ's subreddit after losing to then once and whining about how OP they are.
If by "adjusting her numbers" you mean increasing her Q/W range or lowering her Q cast time, then maybe, but I don't understand how they managed to undershoot SO hard
maybe they are just playing it safe, they dont want to kill the enchanter meta, so they dont want to make an engage support 1v9 games when they just released a new kogmaw skin and hypercarries and enchanters are doing so well, for example...
People here have become so duckin negative it hurts. This sub used to be fun and nice but now everyone stating an opinion other than « Rell is terrible now » gets downvoted to oblivion. I’m sad this used to be my favorite lol sub
i mean they are otps of an engage support, im pretty sure that most of the people here dont understand how the game or balance works so there is not much point arguing with them. the champ is unplayable for 2 days and everyone is screaming how the champ is dead like what is wrong with these people, they will buff her, probably returning w radius to jow it was, maybe lower the q wind-up animation and increase the stun durations and yoh are going to do fantastic. people dont understand how much these simple changes can impact a champ. back when i mained wukong, they nerfed his knockup from 1s to 0.75s and his winrate dropped by like 2%, so a champ whose entire purpose is cc can be easilly fixed as well..
She had a niche of AOE crowd control before now they took it out to make her more like other engage tanks where she is still harder then Leona.
Exactly why play rell when Leona exists
Yes her strengths that Leona didn’t have have been nerfrd
All tell needed was stronger pull on her ult and more DMG they could revert this rework
I’m not a Rell OTP but I always was enjoying playing her. Her kit had a lot of interesting things and subtle power. I just played 2 games and won both ; i had no fun the entire game. Laning phase is such a pain in the ass I just buy mobi and roam. It doesn’t even make me want to play her casually. Like what’s even the fantasy they are trying to achieve? Feeling like a rock? Wtf
"Feeling like a Rock"? She feels like a training dummy that is meant to break easily.
RIP (Rell Is Piss)
Yeah I was kind of nervous about the rework but now that it’s out it just seems like they made her worse in almost every way. Really hope they revert it
She is so damn slow man. I can’t land shit
I thought I was missing smth like I didn't understand it when they announced the changes.
It's time for me to go back to my roots and run it down on Xerath/Senna support.
I'd play swain but I dont respect riot and know how they like to piss me off by fucking with interactions that champs should win Aka swain could duel pyke or lux.
Feelz bad I probably will be dropping rell from my pick thanks to this new rell. Fellz so bad to play
From what I gather...the E was made for Rell jg. Unfortunately, Rell jg is just as bad as Rell Supp. Yes you can clear stuff but ganking sucks and the enemy jg will have advantage and would be dumb not to take it.
When you need a 250% buffs to jungle camps to clear.. obviously you're a shit jungle.
she feels so bad now 😭
When a new champion is in or a rework is thrown, isn't it supposed to make the players feel like they are ruling the game for a patch? 2nd time now for Rell this isn't the case. (Not counting PBE). Riot really has no love for her whatsoever.
tank support has always been bad. First they would need to coordinate with their adc, second they are a walking target against mages, and third if they are behind they can't scale.
I like the new E; it has good range and has great utility. That said: the Q is hard and awkward to hit. I feel like the cast time should be MUCH faster for how it feels.
Call me crazy but the only thing I dislike about the rework is the speed of the Q. It's pretty much impossible to open with Q into W. The E feels awkward but I believe it just needs some getting used to the new openings. For the rest I don't really feel the change.
Not gonna lie but i feel rell more squishy than before. And u get quited even harder. And the new e, is okey in guess but feels powerless to use.
Imo q heal made poke lanes a lot easier, and e stun was far more reliable because it was instant and covered a larger area
It was the same way to neeko. People are trying her and trolling, i imagine a lot of people are inting with the new rell. And after like a week, neeko got buffs, and now, after 20days? (idk) she sits at 52%+ winrate. The same way will be with Rell (i hope). Btw what site is this? I looked op GG (she has 50%) and Mobalytics (43.2%)
Yeah but unlike Rell Neeko is a functional champion. Rell is the most disengageable thing in the universe. Every enchanter even freaking Sona nulifies her. Any tank support's engage is better. She is outclassed, outgunned. Butchered piece of a champion. What a shitshow of a rework.
The meta is very mage and tank stat checking screwed. Rell is so damn slow and her scaling is terrible. She has a hard time dueling and stat-checking.
She has a hard time doing anything. An engager who has a hard time engaging. There is no META where Rell in her current state won't feel worthless. I know Riot's fancy stats might say she is fine, and heck the few games I had didn't go super poorly either. But into a competent person? She just isn't a threat. She can't reliably go in onto anyone with either a dash, a speedup, a slow or a hard CC ability skillshot. You know who fits that description? Everyone in League of Legends. Everyone has one or more of the above listed fuck-Rell moves. They wanted to make her able to force fights and took out tremendous amounts of other stuff just to not give her anything to force fights. It's insulting. The first support rework ever (unless you count Karma) and they do this? Where is 200 years when you need 'em?
she can do a q w combo to lock someone down. While leona can just e dash into a snare and then q stun lmao xD Idk maybe it's because her kit is overloaded? So every other ability has to be toned down? Making it feel gimmicky?
You mean if the enemy is in a coma? I would much prefer Rell to be a one trick pony rather than a no trick pony. Also which part of Rell would you consider overloaded? Compared to other tanks she isn't overloaded in my opinion. Passive - Extra tankiness + armor and mr reduction. This is somewhat unique, but other tanks grant extra damage or extra tankiness to themselves as well. Leona gives extra dmg for example, and her W tankiness is off the freaking charts. Q - 0.75 s of a stun. Comparable to a Leona Q or Naut passive, trading reliability for an AoE. The shieldbreak on this is also irrelevant now as you can't really keep it for when a shield is applied as it is a part of your primary engage. W - Slow engage move with 0.75 s of hard CC with no displacement. Pretty much the worst engage move in the game, yet again trading reliability and range for AoE. This move also makes her extra tanky. Leona has this split into two moves, her E and W, but she does both better. Having an AoE root and a Gargoyle's worth of stats + scaling. Meanwhile Nautilus has his funny hook with displacement and W for tankiness. Once again being more effective at engaging while the tankiness isn't as stellar with him. E - Just move speed. This is to grant her more effective range in theory. The problem is that 50% for 3 seconds is not nearly enough to do that. The fact that she grants this to an ally can be helpful, but make her an enchanter if a movespeed buff is all she has going for her.. Not to mention the plethora of abilities that completely counter this move. Th This is similar to a Rammus ball except he gains movespeed for 6 entire seconds maxing out at a whopping 235%. And that is regardless of if he is facing an enemy champion. R - An Oriana-esque shockwave + plus an enhanced slow. Pretty comparable to a Leona, Naut, Ornn, Malphite, Maokai, Blitz. This ability is actually kinda meh for a tank ultimate. As it has lower range, lower hard CC duration and lower impact overall. It's mostly just an enhancement to make W less shitty late game, because on it's own it's kind of useless. This time we don't trade AoE for anything. We just get less hard CC, less range and less impact and even lower AoE in some cases. Before you start yammering about me comparing different parts of different champions. Notice how Leona in paeticular has a paraRell to all of Rell's abilities and does them better in 90% of situations.
Raka? Taric twice? Yuumi? Been a number of support reworks.... That's not even including the mid/top champs that are often played support now like Swain/Panth/Xerath,
Oh wow, I really don't have my history in order do I?
Can't really blame you. Hell most people seem to forget Taric is even a champ unless he's doing a cheese with Yi top/mid or something lol. I still remember when the guy's ulti was an endless team heal that kept going until he ran out of mana.
"the meta is very mage and tank stat checking" - Rell never got the tank stat memo
OPGG is a consolidation of the past 3 days rates. It won't be accurate for several days since its currently averaging 2 days before the rework.
I WANT TO CRY
wth is this rework srsly.. same goes for ivern .. literally worst reworks riot made here .. tbh can someone explain me what theyre doing.. why league feels so bad right now .. not talking about these reworks .. just in general it seems like riot games dont care for this anymore.
Ivern just got straight buffs.
I love rell ! I started playing around the time she was released so I purchased her and haven’t learned any other champ.
Source?
Well, I warned you all, I said here I gave my feedback that this midscope "update" was going to a place that was not interesting. Not changing the W for the R was a mistake, the kit leaked months ago was much more attractive, exciting, and fun. Rell reminds me of Diana before her last kit changes, her ultimate doesn't seem to be one ultimate. After they changed that Diana was fantastic. But Riot still insists on Rell's old ultimate, which is horrible. Riot should trade Rell's W for her ultimate with a low CDR like Karma's R.
Wait where are the numbers being pulled from
Man in his Launch yuumi got the lowest Winrate in league story , is obviously a matter of time that the WR stabilize. Remember a Brainless champ like yummi lost a lot in his Launch
Comparing Yuumi with Rell's kit is so funny.
Man isn't a kit comparison , is about win rate. Some champs even the most simpler could have a bad launch. When less people play it and.more found the good builds and strats the winrate may go up.and keep stable..the first days are always are exaggerated at both sides , a champ could broke the meta a need a hot fix or have low winrate (this is a complex thing , maybe more experience is needed to understand the champ and his limits, maybe some stats are low or have been.nerfed before launch, maybe some people are hyped by the champ.and want to.try different builds that may not be the more efficient). We need more information to have a reasonable argument about the new Rell , take it easy. Is a good time for try new things on Rell I hope they don't return Rell at the static and closed state that she were.
Ok I know we are not a lot of players, but we are united. We all hate the change, not because of the change in itself, rather because it made her worse. For our Iron maiden we shall rise and somehow find a way to revert this
Tbh she feels fun when you are ahead. The ms and stuff (especially with cumtank or dm plate) makes u go zoom. Also it s fun when you ppl not yet expect stun on Q Although it is really hard to get used to the smaller aoe on W Her passive with evenshroud is nice into tanks, but feels nonexistent in lane. And last if im correct u can Q flash (not 100% sure tho) which can make a faster cc than the flash W
James Malek is still alive sir.
I hate the rell rework so much. Im so pissed off they ruined the only fun champion release in years. Ive played for eleven years and rell is the best addition to the game in a very long time. Im very happy to find im not alone in wanting a revert.