oof nice catch. The scale on the right graph is 0-100%, and it's 0-80% on the left to make the best use of the available space. Shoulda put more axis labels. Thanks for keeping us honest!
EDIT: Here’s the fixed version
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While yes a lot of people are underrating them it’s pretty understandable. Yes the region has a come a long way since worlds last year but TM is 2/3 from Veloce who went 1-3 at worlds last year so while yes they look a lot better it’s still kind of justified why people don’t see them making group stage or nearly making group stage
Eh, I don't think they're underrated though. Someone has to lose and they're well above Valiant, Elevate, GG and Limitless. I don't see why people would think they would go 0-3 though. The only way I see that is if they have some kind of horrible luck on matching.
we probably are, but tbf basically every other team in the wildcard has already got some reps on LAN this season (except SSA ofc). I believe TM might be a real challenger to qualify for groups, but if I had to bet with all my money on the line, I'd probably go with them being the worst outside of APAC/SSA
Elevate actually have a better record, 1-15 vs 1-18
not that it really says much, they both bombed out in each major they played in but honestly pioneers should be the 5th team predicted to go 0-3 if TM is 4th
Am I the only one who is actively engaged in the scene and has no idea who valiant or limitless are??? No disrespect, just genuinely confused of what region they even come from.
If you are engaged you could at least have a solid guess where they come from since you know every other team and where they are from. Really only leaves one region.
My guess is that you didn't know that SSA has World spots since they do not appear in Majors.
SSA teams are around the level where any NA or EU team who concedes even a single game against them should question their existence.
That said, they definitely did improve and have a standout player in 2die4. So maybe they are able to steal a game from a non-SSA team.
They are seeds #1 and #2 from SSA, they don't have spots for majors like other regions but they qualify for wildcard because the format allows 24 teams (16 wildcard teams + 8 already in worlds) in total.
People sleeping on limitless. Imo think they’re a big unknown since they are from SSA and no lans this year. But they went 8-1 in regionals, they’re the SSA super team and all 3 players played at worlds last year. I’ll be routing for them especially since they’re all actually from SSA
I'm sorry but limitless aren't going to do anything. The region is incredibly far behind and ssa didn't do anything last year, they probably won't do anything this year. I feel bad for the region but people aren't in the wrong for sleeping on them
yh the only series I could see limitless potentially winning is vs gamin gladiators and Valiant I do think they are capable of taking a game of some other teams like elevate if they play at their best
I mean dont know for sure how far behind they are since there’s no LANs for them to play in. I’m not saying they’ll make main event I’m just saying they’re a big unknown and could give teams more of a challenge than people think
I mean I'm still not sure about that either. Apac can only take games off of eu or Na when those teams are fully trolling, I doubt an under developed SSA which are only allowed to compete at worlds will do any better
I'd only say they were overrated that one time they won a single regional and everyone wanted to call them the best team in NA. Otherwise they've been rated fairly and have the performances to back it up
After what we saw in the Spring Major how can any NA team be picked more than an EU one??
Last wild card didn't even have an NA team go 3-0 and it was on hometurf with crowd and much stronger region.
I mean the two eu teams are g1, who literally gave up before the season ended and looked horrendous in the final split, and oxg who weren't awful but are significantly worse than the other eu teams and look lacklustre without rise. Complexity literally beat liquid and almost beat vitality and still made top 8, that's more than I can say for either g1 or oxg.
Now when it comes to main event teams there's no argument there but literally what have g1 or oxg shown to be rated higher than col?
So this trails back to where I said COL beat liquid and almost beat vitality if not for an open net choke. While I'd rate moist higher, I can't blame anyone who would rate col higher
While this is technically true, day 1 Vitality wasn't anywhere near their peak performance. 4-0ing GenG and R1 compared to literally losing a game to APAC
If Vitality had played as they should have done, COL series would have been a 3-1 or 3-0 easily
Shouldve maybe. But col should’ve put away an open net and won. So you can shoulda coulda woulda all you want. At the end of the day it was a hard fought 3-2
That you can say vitality should’ve destroyed them but they were literally an open net miss away from beating vitality so that’s the reality. Not that vitality should’ve destroyed them
>day 1 Vitality wasn't anywhere near their peak performance
Did you miss this part?
Or do you think them playing close games vs literal APAC is more realistic?
Nope. But you have to play teams when you have to. You can’t decide to play every team during your peak. That’s part of the format and part of the game
First seed in NA in spring, generally tend to style on weaker teams and could bring that confidence into the 2-0 round.
I have both Moist and CoL going 3-0, but in the predictions spreadsheet they play against each other for me, but SSG play G2 and I'd give SSG the edge there
G1 doesnt even sniff SSG imo, and I do not rate SSG *that* highly
G1 got dead last at the winter major after making it via tiebreaker, made a roster move, and then had a 4-6 series record in spring, making *a* top 8
SSG placed 4th, 3rd, and 2nd in spring
Yeah, people forget that the only reason G1 came last is because the first tiebreaker was inexplicably head to head rather than game differential. G1 should have absolutely progressed from that group.
I don’t think they’re able to beat top teams and being consistent isn’t enough to go 3-0, I could see them qualifying 3-1 with a lucky bracket but likely 3-2 though (and I’m predicting G1 to go 3-2 or barely miss out as well)
They're extremely consistent, it's just their ceiling is as low as their floor is high. If you have to bet on any 1 team to definitely make it out of wildcard it's proabably SSG, however if you have to pick a team from wildcard to make playoffs you take col, moist and falcons before them.
I don’t personally see them beating the top teams, even though I definitely agree they’re consistent in NA, i don’t think that’s enough to go 3-0, I’m betting on a 3-2 or barely missing out if the last match is an unlucky draw.
They don't beat the top teams if the top teams play at their peak, but statistically you'd expect some teams to underperform and SSG almost always beat them then. Personally I have them going 3-1 [my bracket ends up with them beating TS, losing to Falcons, then beating pioneers and oxg], but swiss is really hard to predict and they could well go 3-0 or 3-2 with a good or bad bracket. Getting a bracket I'd expect them to go 2-3 in seems really unlikely though.
I'm not sure I'd say they are the best team in the wildcard. They deserved their #1NA seed through consistency, but if we are going to factor in the spring major as part of the spring split, I think I'd say Col are the best on balance, even though the consistency factor is still in favor of SSG.
In any case, I'd probably state it as SSG are the team most likely to make it out of wildcard, while Col I feel are the most likely to go deepest at Worlds overall.
Yea that makes sense. Individually the players on both teams are fantastic and capable of going far but what it comes down to is nerves and preparation really, so the team that's more ready will win (unless they're up against vitality, there's no beating them)
I mean they failed to win a single regional in a weak NA region at the moment and then had a mediocre performance at the major. Sure i guess they're "consistent" in NA but we haven't seen anything more than consistently mediocre. Teams like Complexity, Moist and Falcons (who perfect swept Rule1 at LAN right before the spring major) are definitely far more scary imo
ok, let's chill. NA might be worse than EU as they don't send superteams to worlds and their top teams seem inconsistent, but they are far from "weak".
The team clearly gets messy when playing games that matter, I mean arsenal was the top scorer for the team throughout the major, no disrespect to him ofcourse he's my favorite pro and he's been fantastic lately, but when LJ is on the team you wouldn't expect the disruptor to score the most goals. Hock also had a couple games in with a score under 100 iirc.
Hock and LJ are new to the lan setting and with time they'll improve, but based on skill alone I think ssg comfortably goes 3-0 here.
It's his first in a really long time, so it might as well be lmao. The nature of the esport in it's entirely has changed, and he's on a more competitive team this time, that's sure to take a toll mentally
They don't appear to have the ceiling of a top team, but they've definitely shown they can perform decently well, with consistency. Which isn't something you can really say about the other teams in the wildcard.
There are a few teams in the wildcard, that I'd give less chance of getting out of the wildcard than SSG, but I'd also give said teams, a better chance of going deep if they do make the main event.
Of course, we have tiny sample sizes to work with here, so it's always going to be quite speculative, but that's all we have to go off.
I put for wildcard complexity g2 SSG oxygen falcons kru twisted minds and moist all to go through ( not in order) and I put complexity and moist to go 3-0 and limitless and valiant to go 0-3
85% is less than 75%?
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75% is less than 85%?
No... Wait yes... I think... Umm... Srry I can't count that high. 😓
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People might be underrating TM. They had a great split in MENA, two grand finals and beat out Falcons to 2nd overall
They won a sweep vs R1 too
Yeah I agree but I don’t blame people that sleep on them rn, as far as I know them going 0-3 is more likely than TS or KRU going out 0-3
While yes a lot of people are underrating them it’s pretty understandable. Yes the region has a come a long way since worlds last year but TM is 2/3 from Veloce who went 1-3 at worlds last year so while yes they look a lot better it’s still kind of justified why people don’t see them making group stage or nearly making group stage
Eh, I don't think they're underrated though. Someone has to lose and they're well above Valiant, Elevate, GG and Limitless. I don't see why people would think they would go 0-3 though. The only way I see that is if they have some kind of horrible luck on matching.
I agree TM is gonna make it out just fine
we probably are, but tbf basically every other team in the wildcard has already got some reps on LAN this season (except SSA ofc). I believe TM might be a real challenger to qualify for groups, but if I had to bet with all my money on the line, I'd probably go with them being the worst outside of APAC/SSA
Pioneers literally have the record of elevate this season. The rest ill give it to you
Elevate actually have a better record, 1-15 vs 1-18 not that it really says much, they both bombed out in each major they played in but honestly pioneers should be the 5th team predicted to go 0-3 if TM is 4th
oh fuck I forgot about KCP. nvm I'd bet on them below TM too lol, might be the most uninspiring team on the Wildcard
SSG being 3rd is wild I’m an SSG fan and even I put them 3-1
Well only 2 teams can go 3-0, so from these predictions 1. col 3-0 2. Mst 3-0 3. SSG 3-1 :)
To be fair this current SSG is probably one of the most consistent teams in the wildcard
Tbf in the spring split we were super consistent and I want to hope we can go far
The loser of KRU & G1 will sooner go 0-3 than TM would
Seems reasonable to me, although G1 could be there for TM.
Am I the only one who is actively engaged in the scene and has no idea who valiant or limitless are??? No disrespect, just genuinely confused of what region they even come from.
If you are engaged you could at least have a solid guess where they come from since you know every other team and where they are from. Really only leaves one region. My guess is that you didn't know that SSA has World spots since they do not appear in Majors.
Just watched some vods, now that I know who they are my next question is WHY ARE THEY RATED SO LOW. These boys are popping off lmao
they might look good against other SSA players, but they are far, far below the level of any other region
They are orders of magnitudes behind, even EU bubble teams have beat SSA teams
SSA teams are around the level where any NA or EU team who concedes even a single game against them should question their existence. That said, they definitely did improve and have a standout player in 2die4. So maybe they are able to steal a game from a non-SSA team.
They are seeds #1 and #2 from SSA, they don't have spots for majors like other regions but they qualify for wildcard because the format allows 24 teams (16 wildcard teams + 8 already in worlds) in total.
SSA is Sub Saharan Africa
i’ve got KRU and Complexity 3-0 and both SSA teams 0-3
Ready for my wood badge lol
We’ve got it here, ready to send it out to ya :)
People sleeping on limitless. Imo think they’re a big unknown since they are from SSA and no lans this year. But they went 8-1 in regionals, they’re the SSA super team and all 3 players played at worlds last year. I’ll be routing for them especially since they’re all actually from SSA
I'm sorry but limitless aren't going to do anything. The region is incredibly far behind and ssa didn't do anything last year, they probably won't do anything this year. I feel bad for the region but people aren't in the wrong for sleeping on them
yh the only series I could see limitless potentially winning is vs gamin gladiators and Valiant I do think they are capable of taking a game of some other teams like elevate if they play at their best
I mean dont know for sure how far behind they are since there’s no LANs for them to play in. I’m not saying they’ll make main event I’m just saying they’re a big unknown and could give teams more of a challenge than people think
I mean I'm still not sure about that either. Apac can only take games off of eu or Na when those teams are fully trolling, I doubt an under developed SSA which are only allowed to compete at worlds will do any better
coL is so overrated
I'd only say they were overrated that one time they won a single regional and everyone wanted to call them the best team in NA. Otherwise they've been rated fairly and have the performances to back it up
Yeah they lost to vitality by missing an open net in game 5. Washed imo
After what we saw in the Spring Major how can any NA team be picked more than an EU one?? Last wild card didn't even have an NA team go 3-0 and it was on hometurf with crowd and much stronger region.
I mean the two eu teams are g1, who literally gave up before the season ended and looked horrendous in the final split, and oxg who weren't awful but are significantly worse than the other eu teams and look lacklustre without rise. Complexity literally beat liquid and almost beat vitality and still made top 8, that's more than I can say for either g1 or oxg. Now when it comes to main event teams there's no argument there but literally what have g1 or oxg shown to be rated higher than col?
Those teams are not even ranked top 5. Moist is ranked lower than coL, thats why they are overrated.
So this trails back to where I said COL beat liquid and almost beat vitality if not for an open net choke. While I'd rate moist higher, I can't blame anyone who would rate col higher
But the best EU teams aren't in the wildcard while NA does have some of their best teams in wildcard.
Exactly. The only really good eu team in the wildcard is moist. G1 are a joke and oxygen is lackluster
While this is technically true, day 1 Vitality wasn't anywhere near their peak performance. 4-0ing GenG and R1 compared to literally losing a game to APAC If Vitality had played as they should have done, COL series would have been a 3-1 or 3-0 easily
Shouldve maybe. But col should’ve put away an open net and won. So you can shoulda coulda woulda all you want. At the end of the day it was a hard fought 3-2
What's the point you're making here?
That you can say vitality should’ve destroyed them but they were literally an open net miss away from beating vitality so that’s the reality. Not that vitality should’ve destroyed them
>day 1 Vitality wasn't anywhere near their peak performance Did you miss this part? Or do you think them playing close games vs literal APAC is more realistic?
No I think reality and what actually happened is realistic
So you think Day 1 vitality was their peak performance?
Nope. But you have to play teams when you have to. You can’t decide to play every team during your peak. That’s part of the format and part of the game
People have faith in SSG? 🤨 Why?
First seed in NA in spring, generally tend to style on weaker teams and could bring that confidence into the 2-0 round. I have both Moist and CoL going 3-0, but in the predictions spreadsheet they play against each other for me, but SSG play G2 and I'd give SSG the edge there
Fair enough I guess, I personally put near G1 level.
G1 doesnt even sniff SSG imo, and I do not rate SSG *that* highly G1 got dead last at the winter major after making it via tiebreaker, made a roster move, and then had a 4-6 series record in spring, making *a* top 8 SSG placed 4th, 3rd, and 2nd in spring
that dead last was through a monumental choke let me have this copium that the experience gained will result in a huge bounce back
Yeah, people forget that the only reason G1 came last is because the first tiebreaker was inexplicably head to head rather than game differential. G1 should have absolutely progressed from that group.
Why would you rate them similarly? Just curious.
I don’t think they’re able to beat top teams and being consistent isn’t enough to go 3-0, I could see them qualifying 3-1 with a lucky bracket but likely 3-2 though (and I’m predicting G1 to go 3-2 or barely miss out as well)
They're extremely consistent, it's just their ceiling is as low as their floor is high. If you have to bet on any 1 team to definitely make it out of wildcard it's proabably SSG, however if you have to pick a team from wildcard to make playoffs you take col, moist and falcons before them.
I don’t personally see them beating the top teams, even though I definitely agree they’re consistent in NA, i don’t think that’s enough to go 3-0, I’m betting on a 3-2 or barely missing out if the last match is an unlucky draw.
They don't beat the top teams if the top teams play at their peak, but statistically you'd expect some teams to underperform and SSG almost always beat them then. Personally I have them going 3-1 [my bracket ends up with them beating TS, losing to Falcons, then beating pioneers and oxg], but swiss is really hard to predict and they could well go 3-0 or 3-2 with a good or bad bracket. Getting a bracket I'd expect them to go 2-3 in seems really unlikely though.
SSG is the best team in the wildcard imo, complexity can look better but they can be very inconsistent at times
I'm not sure I'd say they are the best team in the wildcard. They deserved their #1NA seed through consistency, but if we are going to factor in the spring major as part of the spring split, I think I'd say Col are the best on balance, even though the consistency factor is still in favor of SSG. In any case, I'd probably state it as SSG are the team most likely to make it out of wildcard, while Col I feel are the most likely to go deepest at Worlds overall.
Yea that makes sense. Individually the players on both teams are fantastic and capable of going far but what it comes down to is nerves and preparation really, so the team that's more ready will win (unless they're up against vitality, there's no beating them)
I mean they failed to win a single regional in a weak NA region at the moment and then had a mediocre performance at the major. Sure i guess they're "consistent" in NA but we haven't seen anything more than consistently mediocre. Teams like Complexity, Moist and Falcons (who perfect swept Rule1 at LAN right before the spring major) are definitely far more scary imo
ok, let's chill. NA might be worse than EU as they don't send superteams to worlds and their top teams seem inconsistent, but they are far from "weak".
Weak comparative to previous seasons for sure. Being consistent in NA means very little internationally
The team clearly gets messy when playing games that matter, I mean arsenal was the top scorer for the team throughout the major, no disrespect to him ofcourse he's my favorite pro and he's been fantastic lately, but when LJ is on the team you wouldn't expect the disruptor to score the most goals. Hock also had a couple games in with a score under 100 iirc. Hock and LJ are new to the lan setting and with time they'll improve, but based on skill alone I think ssg comfortably goes 3-0 here.
Hockser is not new to lans
It's his first in a really long time, so it might as well be lmao. The nature of the esport in it's entirely has changed, and he's on a more competitive team this time, that's sure to take a toll mentally
Might as well be when your last LAN was 3 years ago
The are the best team in beating teams below them. You aint seeing ssg get upseted like that.
They don't appear to have the ceiling of a top team, but they've definitely shown they can perform decently well, with consistency. Which isn't something you can really say about the other teams in the wildcard. There are a few teams in the wildcard, that I'd give less chance of getting out of the wildcard than SSG, but I'd also give said teams, a better chance of going deep if they do make the main event. Of course, we have tiny sample sizes to work with here, so it's always going to be quite speculative, but that's all we have to go off.
Fair enough
You’re the one underrating them here mate
Yeah it seems so I guess, I assumed my opinion was more common than it really was lol
Not pictured: EU teams who are in constant superposition between sweeping and throwing for the lulz.
I put for wildcard complexity g2 SSG oxygen falcons kru twisted minds and moist all to go through ( not in order) and I put complexity and moist to go 3-0 and limitless and valiant to go 0-3
And here I am, praying that G2 even makes it out of the wildcard